>>286423041
Redunancy 3 is bottom 1 Mushoku Tensei volumes of all time

>>286423087
nah top 5 oat GRAHHHH

>>286423041
It's because the anime is more easilly accessible to people who don't know how to read or interact with media in a way that challenges their preconceived notions. They don't understand that other people have wildly different outlooks on living than they do and they can't wrap their heads around it. I'd feel sorry for them if they weren't so insufferable.

>>286423041
>sad pedo to happy pedo
amazing development

>>286423041
>I heard they missed the entire point where Rudy is trying to be a better person
Normalfags don't think that certain people are allowed to try to be better
>who is still making mistakes
and find this completely incomprehensible because they think they don't make mistakes

>>286424050
That's right anon, everyone should be allowed to try to be better. We should open all prisons and abolish laws, right?

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>>286423041
I refuse to engage on any level with anyone who puts Mushoku Tensei and Pedo in their post. They are just completely lost and clearly don't get the series in the slightest.

>>286424129
some people can be better, some can't, prison should be rehabilitation for some, and punishment for others

>>286424129
The original point of prisons is for those people to become better. Otherwise we'd just execute them. Why would you even consider letting them back out if you think they can't improve? And why the original intent be to feed and house everyone who does something unforgivable for life? Are you retarded?

>>286424131
>I refuse to engage on any level with anyone who puts Mushoku Tensei
>engages with somebody who putted Mushoku Tensei

yes I'm Scrembulot, how could you tell?

>>286424131
I haven't seen or read it but I've read several times that the series opens with him having filmed pornography of his grade school age niece and jerking off to it. Is this incorrect or is there some way this is not pedophilic to you?

>>286424153
Stop saying the p-word, they clearly said this triggers them. If you can't respect that, then I'm afraid this is not the place for you.

>>286424153
It's "incorrect"

if you go by the web novel then it happened, but the web novel is not the definitive edition, in the light novel that was scrubbed (but it looks like it was brought back on a bit of a lesser scale in redundancy 3) because it was admittedly fucked and made it hard to even like Rudy AFTER he became a better person

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>>286423041
It's literally just becuase he's a guy.

>>286423041
from a lot of the posts in these threads it seems like a lot of the people who really hate MT haven't even seen the anime

>>286424185
Yeah I believe it, at my high school we had two teachers who slept with students, the first was a man who got fired, arrested, put in jail, the second was a woman who was just "forced to leave" due to rumours, even though there was literal videos of her sleeping with the student

>>286424200
I think what happened is the anime doesn't have internal dialogue, so all the "fuck that's tempting" and "I failed again..." was just wiped from the story and became a stone faced rudy not caring about failing to not act creepy again

>>286424153
The niece thing only happens in web novel, besides even if it's canon, the entire point is he gets better as a person.

>>286424185
Both of those series are for trannies.

>>286424247
That crosses the line to irredeemable by quite a long way

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>>286424153
The anime doesn't opt for that. So I don't really care.

>>286424261
which is why it was taken out anon, it was too much of a misstep, in the web novel continuity he's disgusting beyond redemption

in the definitive (light novel) he was a pervert and lazy bum, not outright pedophilic, he didn't jerk off to actual kids, until it was changed back recently? it was removed by the light novel staff because it was too far, but it seems the author managed to get it back in the story of redundancy 3

>>286424278
Actually it's included in a way that's designed to be not noticed or really understood by people who aren't in the know, but clearly indicated to people who already know

>>286424208
it literally does have his internal dialogue though?

>>286424050
>Normalfags don't think that certain people are allowed to try to be better
Couldn't he try better in Japan instead of only when he was reborn into a lottery winning body?

>>286424283
replying to myself, but I remember that in novel 1 it's specifically stated that it was "uncensored loli hentai" which was the last thing he whacked off to before his death, but now it's the niece thing again?

and there were other weird things in redundancy 3, kishirika's name was misspelled like twice too

>>286424320
The author certainly wants you to think so and that's why Rudy comes to the realization on his own that he was stupid to give up on his past life. On the other hand, I don't think that's realistic.

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>>286424386
you can see at the start when it shows him in his room that there's a video of a little girl in the bathroom on the computer. you could say it's a random video he found online but it's a safe assumption that it's showing the version of the story from the WN

>>286424247
I mean, he doesn't though? Since nobody in the setting responds to his obvious deviancy with any kind of serious lasting negativity nor does he suffer any consequences from such. In fact the other characters seem to become unnaturally accepting of it after a while despite them being initially written as if they would hold him accountable.
Not to mention the fact that every positive relationship Rudy has in his new world is a result of him using his bonus 37 years of mental development to manipulate and manuver his way around the existing social systems and ingratiate himself to literal children that he wants to fuck at some indeterminate point in the future, a future that he then makes happeneven though he internally acknowledges how fucked up it is but then resolves to not give a fuck and then it just kind of gets forgotten about?
Man that guy sure beceame a better human being after being reborn into a family with wealth and social status and he had a lifetime of experience to fall back onto and acheive academically and develop talents in a way that no actual child who had to live their actual childhood would or could. What a great and upstanding guy, this really was a redemption story for the ages.

>>286424427
if he hadn't gotten the 37 years he wouldn't have had the knowledge to BECOME said better person

also, Roxy and Slyphie apparently always suspected he had been reincarnated at some point, and he tells them eventually too about his past life, as well as Eris

>>286424427
He doesn't do anything remotely as bad as what he did in his past life, so I'd say he improved in spite of being handed the power to do anything he wants to without repercussions.
>after being reborn into a family with wealth and social status
I agree this is retarded.
>and he had a lifetime of experience to fall back onto
That's kind of a requirement for any redemption story, isn't it?

>>286424466
He never became a better person though, at least in the one way that mattered. He just ended up with the enough social status and wealth that his degeneracy would be overlooked. Rudy used all the advantages from his pervious life to make sure he ended up on the Epstein life track where his worst shit would never catch up to him.

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>>286424410
If it isn't explicitly stated in the story. Its your assumption and irrelevant to the story that is trying to be told in THIS adaptation. None of his behavior in the story reflects this at all. Believe what you wish to believe.

>>286424499
>to make sure he ended up on the Epstein life track
I can tell you are very interested in having a real conversation and not just shitposting.

>>286424499
Look, what it looks like to me is by your requirements for somebody to be a good person, they can't have had a previous life, otherwise any actions they do in the second life is immediately tainted

could he have been an even better person in the second life? yeah, he wasn't the best person he could have been again, he was given two chances, once through reincarnation and another through time travel, he kept failing

>>286423041
The majority of the hate comes from people getting filtered over 3 things:
>Rudeus sexual harassment
>Rudeus pedophilic antics
>Rudeus getting a harem
Their hate for the serie has more to do with it clashing with their morals than with how well written it is.
Needless to say it comes from other website users, people on /a/ don't care enough about the morality of their media to display the level hate people on reddit show to Mushoku Tensei.

>>286424507
kinda sounds like you're coping

Is there any reason to care about an irrelevant minority of online-haters, most of which are just bots reposting old statements?

>>286424573
I'm just curious!

I own all 26 novels and the 3 redundancy novels as well as the big as bonus compendium, I also bought the game which I nearly finished then dropped, I love the world but the freak sessions are soooo painful

>>286424517
>No counter argument
Guess i hit a little too close to home.
Which i guess is the actual problem with the series. It's readerbase liked because they empathised with Rudy because they were just as degenerate and if he ever faced actual consequences for any of his pedo shit then those readers would take it as a personal attack on them.
So the real reason why the characters in the series have personality reboots and the world seems to unnaturally gloss over Rudys worst actions and traits is because of the parasocial nature of the initial novel.
If Rudy ever caught any real heat at all for being a degernerate peadophile the novels readerbase would have crashed out hard, and so a Fantasy novel that was genuinly well written and had interesting ideas and concepts gets constrained in it's scope for stupid parasocial reasons and ends up acheiving only a fraction of it's actual potential.

>>286424185
How is Utena a pedo? Keeping in mind I don't care if Rudy is

>>286424346
>not give up on his past life
at best be a regular japanese salaryman
>give up on past life
genius mage with harem and children

>he was stupid to give up on his past life
seems like he made the right call

>>286424603
"no consequences" and he literally fucking died and only got a one in an unquantifiable number second chance

then you attack the people you're arguing with

>>286424603
I respect your commitment to the bait.

>>286424600
what freak sessions?

>>286424466
>if you don't get reoncarnated with your memories intact, you have no chance of becoming a better person
Is this how you cope with being a complete loser?

>>286424645
Novel 1, undressing slyphie for a "IT'S A GIRL I GOTCHA" moment, unneeded
Novel 6, Rudy and Eris sleeping together being detailed, WHY WASN'T IT SKIPPED OVER I DIDN'T NEED TO READ ANY PART OF IT OTHER THAN IMPLICATIONS
Novel 7, him rubbing his flaccid cock against her vulva being heavily implied if not stated? can't remember
multiple novels, anything involving Kishirika
Redunancy 3. Just... Redundancy 3.

>>286424670
You're attacking me now? if it helps, I'm not a loser, I stated what it seemed like to me you were saying but then you just attack me, even if you did have a point, you conduct yourself too poorly for me to hear you out

he was reborn dudes so they are the same age

>>286424677
And you consider that really to be freaky?
Pretending to be a supernaïve sheltered kid on the internet isn't a good thing to do.

>>286424499
>He never became a better person though, at least in the one way that mattered.
He became a person un unburdened by the outside, able and willing to help others turn their lives around and save them from perilous situations. Compare that to his NEET self in his previous life and the difference is like night and day but you don't care about that. Even Silphy and Eris, the people considered to be victims of Rudeus pedophilic antics, were very obviously not harmed by them and their lives were improved a lot thanks to him.
Pedophilia (or rather pedophilic acts) is morally bad because it usually harms children. But in the specific case of Rudeus, a pedo whose pedophilic actions never harmed anyone, I genuinely cannot see anything morally wrong with his specific case and if you think otherwise then please provide specific examples where his pedo antics caused serious harm to someone else.

>>286424677
Is this the modern "I need to loudly voice my disapproval of anything sexual lest I be mistaken for a pervert" bit?

>>286424730
No I don't care about Eris probably pegging rudy because they were both in their 20's, same with Rudy taking all 3 to bed because they weren't physically kids at the time, Roxy in the light novels is an eternally early 20's build, but in her manga she looks 12

>>286424725
I am not sheltered, there's porn, and there's stuff I have to read to get to more stuff I enjoy reading

>>286424201
Yeah. This is all so silly. Makes me want to say "fuck it" and turn everyone into a futanari.

>>286424526
>Rudeus getting a harem
I don't have a problem with harem stories. The problem is anons trying to sell this series as some last bastion of wholesome normal heterosexual family values while simultaneously praising islam. But then again I don't see any of that itt, so maybe it was just one guy who got bombed by the jews, lol.

>>286424604
They don't like it when girls do things with other girls their age.

>>286424791
If you're so bothered by the absence of some other anon's greentext (because you want to be angry about it and feel something is amiss), I can just go to desuarchive and copypaste it.

Here:
>has 3 pure wives
>lives in a place called Sharia
>has a sister named Aisha
>has a son named Saladin
>Is a subordinate of the Messiah (Orsted) and has sincere faith in him (Iman)
>Lifelong goal is to overthrow the False God (Hitogami)
>has to prepare for a worldwide Jihad (the Final Battle against the False God) 80 years in the future
>Main theme is repentance and the act of doing good deeds and charitable actions (Zakat) as well as indulge in prayer (Salah) in order to achieve redemption

>>286424762
>Roxy in the light novels is an eternally early 20's build, but in her manga she looks 12
I'm almost positive Rudy says she looks 13 or something in the LN. Don't be racist against demons just because of their looks.
Shit sure has changed. Tons of people used read young adult romance novels and fanfics and they weren't thinking "it's so gross that they're underage" or "it's so hot that they're underage" they were thinking "I can self-insert into being attracted to someone my own age during an important and often-written-about period of life". But the mainstream correct opinion on lolibabas has done irreparable harm to all of media.

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>>286424791
You know who else has three wives?

>>286424791
Go back to /pol/

>>286424729
I argue that the story isn't a redemption story because the characters, setting and plot all go out of their way to excuse this one particular facet of Rudys degeneracy above all the others and that this is a bad thing that damages the narrative and makes MT a pedo story

You argue that the setting excues his pedo tendencies because Rudys pedo affections actually improve the lot in life for some characters and for this pedo Rudy is a good thing and therefore it's not a Pedo story.

We're making the same argument except one of us is utterly delusional.

The bot is broken. It can only focus on the word pedo again, like a hysteric femmoid.

>>286424604
Raping a bunch of 14 year olds is worse.

>>286424832
Nah I mean when Rudy got with her, she grew a bit in that time, it looks like the migurd grow slowly until physically 10-13, then have a growth spurt until they're early 20's, and stay like that until near the end of their life

>>286424943
She's also 14 and they love it

>>286424832
the problem is there is a generation of men that think if they say yes to women to 'get on their good side' they will eventually get laid. That's never how the real world has worked and the internet does a great job of keeping the outdated ideology of putting woman on a pedestal to be respected alive.
The reason why web novel enjoyers liked the series is because he is absolute trash of human waste, gets another chance at life, takes steps to improve himself from the get go as a child and when temptation comes his way gets called out on it by his family. His eventual acceptance that in his new life he has responsibilities, gets over himself for the sake of family and grows up enough to nurture relationships. Nurture is the key word and the part that the anime has yet to dive deep into since it has mostly just been the coming of age action story arcs. Rudy steps up to be a family man and even with his eccentricities and temptations stays loyal to the family he chose. Woman hate it because 'polygamy' no man should hold that much sway even though that has historically occurred when a man is strong or valuable enough. It's even of subject in their own stories when the desire a good man who is taken or has obligations they rub one off too. Not that they want simps who give them attention to ever be aware of what their ideals are.

>>286424965
They don't even know her name. Rudy hasn't laid a hand on anyone unwilling, except in the bad future, but we don't know their ages.

>>286424862
He redoes his life and you think his new body is not reflective of his age? When puberty hits its a free for all there is no such thing as wait till 18 or slapping some logic for the betterment of woman's choice in that world.

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>>286424909
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>>286424982
Why are we arguing about fictional characters when we can talk about fucking them instead?

>>286425005
I wonder this often.

>>286425004
>When puberty hits its a free for all there is no such thing as wait till 18
How many of your female classmates did you bang when puberty hit and you weren't able to control yourself, just like an animal?

>>286424862
>and therefore it's not a Pedo story.
Ok this proves you either didn't read my comment or are putting no effort in the bait. I'm out.

>>286425029
4!
I had a girlfriend which meant they were lusting for mem, thanks for asking :)

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>>286425005
Next time, make a thread where we can sexualize them, instead of wanting to talk about the opinions of other losers.

>>286425029
>and you weren't able to control yourself, just like an animal?
I know this might be a bit much for your puritan brain to handle but it's not just men.

>>286425029
back then it would be up to 5 guys and 5 girls max in a class who had definitely gotten laid but nowadays that shit must be crazy where at least over half would have been sexually active or fooled around by 14. Pregnancy in high school was rare for us back then but not anymore female empowerment lulz

>>286425004
Man the worst thing is that his relationship with Eris is the least objectionable thing about the series despite her age since it's the only relationship which developed naturally while they were on the Demon continent and Rudy was in survival mode instead of Groomer mode.
The main problem people have with Rudy is basically everything involving Sylphie as a child and then Rudy's degenerate betrayal once Roxy shows up and Sylphies subsequent Stepford wife style mind wipe and every other character just accepting it while Norm is the only one with the normal reaction and get shamed into accepting the arrangement.

>>286425069
this is true!

I was once a teenage girl (now an adult man YIPPEE I LOVE SCIENCE) and I slept with 3 of my classmates over the span of highschool

>>286423041
>he mada a mistake
he's a pedophile

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>>286425084
Sucks that Sylphie was never meant to be Rudy's wife, if not for the intervention by the antagonist trying to babytrap the protagonist up there in school through her.

>>286425125
hell nah, is that official?

>>286425137
It's official swimsuit art.

sex with every wife regularly for 60 years

>>286425166
At the same time

>>286425183
on special occasions

>>286425084
no shit it was too show how he is still an irredeemable degenerate despite the new opportunity he is in. His impotency is down played when it comes to online opinion they don't even bother to understand the context of how that changed his character and every shitty online opinion I have come across is just point and laugh. It is a psychological block that occurs because of his sense of betrayal after forming a real connection with a girl he respects. They liked each other so the miscommunication is funny as a reader but not for his character as he feels hopeless and loveless again. Sylphie's attachment was already explained to be unnatural because everyone discriminated against her. Roxy's situation is heat of the moment and adultery is only messy if they Sylphie x Rudy cemented their relationship. Woman hate it that a man can have it all, Norm is one that shares that opinion as well but doesn't stop her for jumping the age gap going after a way older guy. The story isn't supposed to be traditional it is making the most out of the tragedies and challenges that come his way and not to let the past weigh him down. The anime doesn't convey it well enough but there is a moment he fully embraces who he is and it isn't his old identity at all.

>>286425183
Rudy putting them on rotation and having these weird abstinence periods was the worst part of the writing.

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Victory foursome.

The series is enjoyable because it is an isekai that shoots for a harem while developing female characters. Konosuba is also a successful harem that ties things up nicely near the end of the series. That is the reason why people like this series and woman who cry and scream it should just be one pair is laughable.

>>286425084
>Norm is the only one with the normal reaction and get shamed into accepting the arrangement.
Your religious younger sister flipping out and trying to interfere with your relationship is not normal by any means. It's also retarded that she was even in the room, because it's none of her business, and she should have zero influence unless Sylphie specifically chooses on her own to ask someone else for advice (probably not a child would be a good start).

>>286425276
Doesn't help that she is in a complicated situation herself having a half sister and her objection is closely tied to feelings of rejecting them due to religious instead of embracing them and that the fault is ultimately the father she has always idolized.

>>286425311
I would put the blame more on her grandmother Claire for being so strict and judgemental so that it shaped both Norn and Aisha, making the latter try to surpass her "legitimate" sister in an unhealthy competitive way, while the former tries to seek solace in the common thing she shared with her mother (the faith in Saint Millis).

>>286424185
They're both great. Perverted protagonists need to make a comeback.

>>286425341
Mushoku is unabashedly a male-centric time period of fantasy. Modern feminist ideology hates this history and doesn't want to understand the valuable parts of their motherly roles and importance back then as the heart of a family. It is a shame because it really is a pure fantasy now since the number of woman who hold positive femininity are far and few between mostly finding love and marriage early then leading their own family. Haters can't imagine that dream for themselves without gender dominance of some sort being involved.

>>286425341
Norn and Aisha were great characters through out the entire series. It was only the extra chapters that things got bat shit insane with Aisha but ultimately funny because the moral dilemma swings back to the beginning. It has been a while since I read it and didn't follow how it was redacted or not or what exactly happened to it. Sort of like how SAO 16.5 just magically disappeared.

>>286423041
watched the anime a few weeks ago. didnt knew what I was getting into since it was a blind pick. probably the best anime anime I have seen in the last 20 or so years. pure kino and I say that as someone who usually hates isekais.

>>286425578
You should watch out.
/a/ will keep talking about future events and scenes from the light novel, so you might get spoilered here.

>>286425713
I will

>>286425713
i only spill the beans when someone with a shit opinion really pushes the thread. Might as well go nuclear on them and spoil it all. this one is pretty civil it has been debated to over decades now. old fags read it when it was a web novel after all which was at the dawn of isekai slop. like anime go to was flying girls in acadamies back then not magic high school saturation yet.

>>286425311
The guy in Big Love did the same thing.

>>286425578
god i wish i could forget everything about this series and watch it blind again it was magical
only felt like this watching rebellion for the first time

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>>286425578
We haven't even reached the hypeworthy parts....enjoy the ride anon and like others said these threads are a clusterfuck most of the time prepare to get mega spoiled.
ESPECIALLY when S3 airs.

>>286425228
Put some buttplug tails into Sylphie and Roxy and give them animal hair clips, then Eris would join without hesitation.

What's the takeaway for neets in this anime? Just bee yourself bro or kys already its over?

>>286426493
>Just wait at home for a lolibaba with low self esteem and a craving for attention to come to you and stay at your home for 3 years.

>>286426493
The overall "lesson" of this series is
a) to try to live life seriously so that you don't regret it, and
b) if help is offered, then take it (unless they're shady bald white men twerking in your face)

Where the FUCK is Redundancy Volume 4?

>>286426638
Not even in draft mode.

Maybe Rifujin should stop wasting time with bonus material and instead start with the sequel series that's supposed to be the real story. At this pace we'll get a LN focused on bananas love triangle in school before shit continues.

>>286426599
Alright, if you happen to have erectile dysfunction tomorrow and a tranny dressed like an elf told you that she/he could help you by stimulating your prostate and restore your ability to have erections. Would you take the help that is offered?

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>>286426713
He's too busy enjoying life and shitposting on x

>>286423041
100% of it is that autists can't insert into a character that has a defined personality and motivations. They're angry that he isn't the typical spineless harem lead, and because of that they lash out.
There are hundreds of other anime where the MC is into lolis, and nobdy seems to complain about those; the dude from bakemonogatari molests children all the time and nobody cares.

>>286426713
>we'll get a LN focused on bananas love triangle in school
That IS the sequel, unironically kind of

>>286424520
What Rudy got was much more than just a second chance though. If a college drop-out is given a job offer that top graduates could only dream of it doesn't matter if he eventually becomes qualified for the job when he shouldn't have gotten those opportunities for free in the first place.

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Just finished reading redundancy 3, it was pretty good. Just having Arus' perspective and him having closure as well as getting close to his father by the end of ready the diary almost had me in tears, I ended liking Arus a lot now as an adult. Henry ended up being Lucie and Clive's child who apparently is cursed to not be easily perceived. While Luicella wants him to propose to her, really cute.
There's some info regarding the state of the world, like the Ogre Kingdom being backed by Orsted and being at war with Asura now that Ariel is dead, Japanese becoming some sort of code language in order to decipher Rudeus' diaries (he apparently had multiple workshops in the world which are sought after). Most TP circles lost their light recently too, probably so Asura wouldn't use them against Orsted. I kind of wish there was more but this volume was supposed to be self-contained, an intimate look at the Greyrat's history and relationships. I loved that he had one last in-depth look into Rudeus' thoughts about himself and those around him. I already thought he was a great MC but this elevates him more in my mind.

Now we need Rifujin to get off his ass and start writing. He already has the setup to work with, he just needs to stop caring about the west. MT is popular enough to off-set any seethe, no need for him to even acknowledge twittertards' retardation.

>>286424129
go search for prisons' purposes

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>>286429588
Henry's Lucie's grandchild, so probably the son of Roland.

>>286429588
Where are you reading all of them?

My guess is that Jobless Oblige will still remain a separate spin-off to Jobless Reincarnation, and not be folded into Redundant Reincarnation.

>>286430343
Probably not, there are some notes from Rifujin from redundancy 2 where he hints that Jobless Oblige will be part of Redudancy LN. I hope we actually get designs for everyone

>>286424846
MY MOM

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>>286423041
>I heard they missed the entire point where Rudy is trying to be a better person who is still making mistakes, and just turned him into an unapologetic pervert who was even worse than his previous life, who at least knew he was a loser
Funnily enough, as someone who only started reading the novels after watching the anime, I feel like the anime does a better job framing Rudeus as trying to be a better person who's still making mistakes and is haunted by his past life than the novel does.
Most of the hatred for Mushoku Tensei is just bad faith argument who've watched only the first episode or read the first few pages of the novels, or from people who parrot the former.
Mushoku Tensei hardly goes any fucking deeper or more extreme than most ecchi/harem anime, there's more perverted characters in more mainstream stuff out there.

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>>286431201
I really want to see how badass adult Seig will look

>>286426493
>kys already its over
Unironically this
Just kill yourself and hope the universe takes pity on you and bends over backwards to make sure you succeed

>>286431346
are just bad faith arguments from people who've*** only

>>286423041
The anime is great. His dad dying was an asspull. After that moment rudeus basically said “fuck it” and stopped trying to play “the right way”. Which is a disappointing story development when his entire journey is about “being a better person”.
Instead he goes “oops my dad died, time to cheat on my wife”. I only wish he had married Eris first so he got a smack down for trying to wed two women he doesn’t have time for in the first place.
At that moment the story transitioned from a tale about a young man trying to do his best with a new start, to a typical minmaxer harem.

Roxy best wife

>>286431473
Roxy loves getting licked off

>>286431346
>and is haunted by his past life than the novel does.
How? The novel has far more monologue and introspection. Even for the moment in episode 8 where Rudeus realizes he went too far that everyone ignores when talking about "muh pedo never gets addressed" is a full blown paragraph paragraph in the novel vs. like three lines in the anime.
I think the main problem is that most people can't seem to grasp the idea that Rudeus' opinions, personality and way of thinking grows and changes over the course of the story, I can only imagine it's an IQ issue or retards being used to static characters and "character development" being some mundane one-off "arc" that is never brought up ever again. They always bring up early volume/early episode stuff to justify why Rudeus doesn't change or is muh pedo despite the fact that most of his opinions from then completely change across the novel, e.g. him thinking he was a grown adult much more mature than Paul and Zenith, later on admitting he still has lot to learn, and then in volume 23 him saying he was a manchild. Or plenty of other stuff.
I also find funny how so many think he is some giga master manipulator groomer when Rudeus comes off as complete fucking slow retard.

>>286425228
he should have gotten a few mistresses to make an army for Orsted

>>286432018
As long as his children and grandchildren and then greatgrandchildren make more, all is well.

>>286424185
to be fair she's actually the same age as her victims and not a "40 year old in a child's body"

>>286423041
The idea of Rudy being a panty-stealing lolicon is irrelevant to the plot and just reeks of dumb japanese le pervert humor that was such an unfunny plague on anime for decades and feels stale and dated as fuck now
>b-b-b-but what about the roxy goddess thing
He could've crushed on her for any number of other reasons
>b-b-b-but the ED plotline
Could've just been played straight as social anxiety

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>>286424131
>They are just completely lost
It's worse than that, they are just tourists. Ignore them and move on, they will jump into the next bandwagon sooner or later. What saddens me is that they used to be only on YouTube, Reddit, and Twitter, but now they are here too. Lots of them.

>>286429588
>no need for him to even acknowledge twittertards' retardation
He don't give a single fuck about non-japanese fans though so i'm not worried at all

>>286430105
Bought it physical at my local bookstore

>>286430079
Ah shit, my eyes skipped the 'grand' part, thanks.

>>286431363
>the universe
Are you some kind of a retard or a hippie?

>>286430105
Seven seas entertainment publishes them physically, I bought all 26 slowly throughout the latter half of 2024, then I've been picking up the redundancies as they come out, though, I'm not who you responded to

Reminder that Paul had Rudeus when he was 19.
Reminder that Paul is the older brother of Pilemon Notos Greyrat.
Reminder that according to the prior gacha game, Paul is at least 7, perhaps even 10 years older than his brother Pilemon.
Reminder that Pilemon has at least two sons.
Reminder that his son Luke is the younger son.
Reminder that Luke is older than Rudeus by around 3 years.
Reminder that this implies that Pilemon had his SECOND son Luke at the age of 9 if we say that Pilemon is only 7 years younger than Paul.

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>>286423041
Roxy and Silphy should get revenge on Rudeus by becoming a lesbian couple.

>>286434326
We'll probably only get a fade to black when they're going to do a threesome.

>>286434940
if it wasn't even shown in the LN it definitely won't be in the anime

>>286424604
She did get really worked up the first time she saw Korisu turn into Nero Alice.
Obviously she's committed to her relationship with Kiwi, but she might commit a crime if she's left alone with Korisu too long, based off the incident with Azure.

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I've read every volume and watched every episode. It's a masterpiece. Trannys forever seething and btfo.

>>286434998
Depends on how the director would do it.
The director of season 2 part 2 changed the sex scene between Rudeus and Roxy enough so that it became sexier than in the written versions.

>>286424153
Read all the books. That is not in there at all. It simply stated he was jacking to loli porn during his parents funeral. Yes, the MC was demented and the reason he became that was was vastly underwhelming. But his outlook changed and that is the point of the book. Not so much that he becomes a better person but that he is longer held down by the past. He does become somewhat better as a person but he is a leecher and remains that way.

>>286425447
That's interesting because, as a conservative incel who hates feminism, I'm not fond of the concept of harems either, firstly because I personally dream of a single girl to hold hands with, cuddle, love, and marry, and secondly because we already have unofficial harems IRL where one Chad takes several girls and we can see what kind of crap comes out of it.

People claim to love realism and redemption then you give them MT and they reject it.
No wonder non sex one dimensional isekai males are so popular,when the single show that tries to tell an actual decent story gets executed like this on discoure.

>>286435496
they're ok with redemption as long as the character committed acceptable crimes like mass murder, not icky ones like being a creepy pervert

>>286423041
>is the majority of the hate from people who have only seen the anime?
In the novel Rudy skipped his parents funeral to watch hentai. In the anime he's a literal child predator.

>>286435496
What's with this victim complex, nigga? We're literally winning. Only reason MT isn't getting even more famous is because Bind shat the bed. If season 3 had premium treatment we'd be worldwide famous

>>286435546
Heck, being a rapist would also be acceptable, as long as the rapist looks handsome.
You could still have Rudeus's previous incarnation be a pervert, even an actual child molester, as long as he looked like a generic gooktoon protagonist (really tall, slim, conventionally attractive, large yaoi-hands).

>>286435584
season 3 isn't out yet, doomfaggot.

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It's so easy to spot secondaries and tourists it's almost funny. I don't think it's worth engaging with them though.

>>286435780
idk what all these retards who clearly haven't watched or read it are coming into the thread and talking shit about it for.
are they jealous frierenfags trying to sabotage us?

>>286435780
I don't get it.
Why does Atoferatofe Rybak, who is the dumbest of all demon kings, not just eat her son and grandson?

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>>286436077
I want her to eat me iykwim

>>286435780
Atofe is really cute, underapreciated and dont get enough love. Im glad season 3 is going to bring her to spotlight

>>286423041
>blue megumin

>>286435780
>will only see the GOAT and his schizo son in season 5, most likely
I can't fucking wait

Which do you guys think felt better? Him having sex with Eris at the age of 12 - 13? Or him having sex with Roxy as a big buff adult and feeling her tightness?

>>286427000
What does he mean by this?

I find it really weird how badly Frieren fans have a inferiority complex over this show.

There's no need to try to start fanbase-wars just because you think the threads are too slow.

It weird how much Re Zerofans have a inferiority complex to us

To be honest, I wish I could be reincarnated as a child again and workout into a buff teenager like Rudeus did. The idea of all my back pain, all my aches, going away, all that youthful energy I'd have. It'd be heaven on earth.

>>286437129
>>286437266
both true

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>>286436575
Every time he appears in Redundancy he's being such a cool uncle. He really needed to get the shit beat out of him by Orsted and Co.

How many Vol are left for the Orc LN?
I heard that the WN was pretty much completed

>>286437129
MT and Frieren are polar opposites. MT is a story that appears crude and dirty on the surface but deep down is soulful and well thought out by the author. Frieren is a story that's clean and inoffensive on the surface and touches a lot of the right points for mass appeal but is empty and soulless underneath.

>>286424846
But his wives aren't pure. They are kunoichi a.k.a whores.

Please don't let the anime fuck up the Oldeus part in S3.

>>286434293
Trashy isekai's best attempt at worldbuilding

>>286437884
You wish (You)r favorite high fantasy anime/whatever had worldbuilding as deep as this to the point this random ass side character that is barely even relevant at all has a full blown family history and background despite not even getting any focus ever.

>>286434293
this would track for the Greyrat family desu.
also wasn't Luke only a year older?

>>286434326
This is going to happen after their short living pet dies of old age.

just imagine the wild and insane, disgusting, and vile sex Luke and Ariel must have had.
I think Rifujin needs to write about that and someone needs to draw it.

>>286426493
be born into a rich family, have mind of a 30 year old at the age of 5, be lucky
for me personally it was not very interesting

>>286437396
i think i heard there was enough stuff for at least 4 more volumes

>>286423041
People want protagonist to not be blank slates but also get mad whenever something like this or the dangers in my hearts have protagonist with heavy flaws. It’s a no win situation.

>>286438639
that why authors should just write what they want without caring for what people's think, like rifujin

>>286436883
he means that everyone loved webnovel where he was just making something he enjoyed, and now he's getting attacked over the (censored) light novel and anime because of the inherent larger audience that expects every author to tiptoe around their precious sensibilities.

>>286438945
i don't feel like anything was censored in the LN, though

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>>286423041
"anime fans" don't like real anime

>>286439092
the niece bit, which was the most egregious thing he's ever written, has been brought up multiple times in this thread. i'm not sure if anything else was censored or not.

>>286439168
but it wasn't censored, it was in Redunancy 3, not excatly the same but still

>>286439245
i haven't checked what was in redundancy 3, but regardless, undoing the censorship 12 years later is not exactly the same as the censorship not existing. it's not important though.

>>286439114
8/8 would drink wine off Mitama-Sama's feet.

>>286424129
That's what they, ideally, are doing inside the prison retard

>>286429889
Prisons' purpose is to get the malevolent the fuck out of my presence

>>286440309
that's the purpose of executions

>>286440337
It's also the purpose of prisons. Just because it's the purpose of executions too does not mean it isn't also the purpose of imprisonment.

>>286440492
if you believe the idea of reformation is fundamentally wrong but you support prisons over (or as an alternative to) execution you are unbelievably fucking retarded.

i hope we will be able to have better threads once the next season start...

>>286440713
Not a chance in hell. The massive influx of anime-onlies will be seen as the perfect audience for nonstop bait.

Bump

>>286442818
why are YOU bumping my thread?
I haven't even been on all day

>>286437911
apparently not, no.

>>286423041
I dislike it because it reflects its author too much

>>286438639
He's flawed for the wrong reasons
A good story has an mc with flaws to explore the human condition and confront the struggle of overcoming them
This one has a flawed mc to make you stmpathize with his struggle and then frame his failings as actually okay and not really a big deal

>>286440772
meh, what are they going to complain about in season 3 that season 1 with kid rudeus or season 2 with slavery-apathetic limpdick rudeus hasn't already made them pretend-seeth trigger already?
they gonna complain about his alternate future self having become a rapist schizo jerk?

>>286444320
They don't have to post anything new as long as there's fresh meat that isn't aware that the mentally ill retards have posted the same bait a thousand times. Expect lots of long reply chains about s1 and s2 content.

>>286444430
If they're watching season 3, they will have already watched season 1 and 2, and then gone to mal or reddit to hear the old crap already.

Never cared about the pedo stuff, that's supposed to be his starting point and that's fine
I simply got bored because rudeus gets no development whatsoever after dozens of chapters
He gets gifted opportunities to be better and keeps on being a scumbag but now he is happy because everyone around him allows him to be a scumbag
If that's diferent in the novel I have no idea
Series starts with him missing the funeral of his parents to fap and ended the last season with him betraying the trust of his wife(previously his childhood and first friend in his new life) by having sex with a childlike girl from a species of childlooking peopple. This also happens the first time he leaves her side too like man

>>286444692
>i don't care but also it's my central complaint
Okay

>>286444745
You did not read my post

>>286444745
Based.

>>286444758
>Never cared about the pedo stuff
>having sex with a childlike girl from a species of childlooking peopple
I read it fine. You're trying to distort it by including the only non-sexual thing he's done wrong in your list of two complaints.

>>286444795
The point is that he has yet to advance from his starting point
Said starting point being attraction to children or murder or thief does not matter to the sligthest

>>286444820
His starting point is being a neet holed up in his room and not having any direct social interactions with anybody. Which culiminates in fulfilling his sexual needs in an extremely gross way, but that was never portrayed as anywhere near the center of "what's wrong with him".

>>286444854
I don't agree much with your post and I don't think the anime made a point with what you just said at all so I guess we are open to just disagree

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>>286424040
>hitting loli cousin in his imagination
>hitting multiple irl lolis
That's kino development

Miggers don't deserve rights

>>286444795
Roxy was eternally in her early 20's when Rudy slept with her.

>>286423041
For me it's just that it treats itself like it's going to be different but at the end of the day it's a power fantasy where he gets literally several hot wives.

>>286446016
"power fantasy"

Look, it really isn't, Rudy's biggest strengths were the fact that he had strong connections (that he built) and was humble, had he not been humble he would not have made a lot of his connections, in a 1 on 1 fight in neutral ground he is losing to so many people, he probably isn't even top 100 in fair fights, but the world is not fair, he won with his armour and friends, literally the power of friendship

>>286445005
I would've friendzoned the other two tbqh

>>286446069
Fortunately for the story, he did not meet Roxy first, the only one where he would definitely not cheat upon and still would have the mental fortitude to return to.

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>>286446029
>100
Out of billions living creatures. Damn, it must be so humbling being only a member of the top 0.0000001%. Humiliating even.

>>286447218
not a single thought behind Lara's eyes

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>>286434326
Damn co-wives!

>>286447218
Do you guys think Sieg is truly going to kill his brother?

>>286448218
They might each offer the other a term of surrender that neither can accept, and forces both of them to fight.

>>286448218
arus? is that web novel shit?

was sieg destined for anything? wasn't the only one who was actually destined for something tangible Lara?
well, Sieg might be with the Asura kingdom or something, I know he was blessed with something similar to zanoba, since he snapped Rudy's finger in two

>>286448291
sieg's gay for Pax Junior and is his best warrior, sent by Pax Junior to fan the flames between the Asuran Kingdom, the Ogre God Empire and the Kingdragon Realm in order to gain independence for their own jungle country in the south by attacking the hidden fortress of the Ogre God Empire (a new superpower who united the entire north of the central continent, and in league with the Dragon God), which Arus Greyrat is protecting.

>>286448355
yeah I know what allegiances Arus has, it's a tragic fate but I doubt they won't love each other till the end if they do fight to the death, just terrible circumstances.

>>286444902
>the anime hasn't made the point that he started as a neet holed up in his room that has zero life experience and just jerked off to porn all day
Are you fucking serious? This must be bait, there's simply no way

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>>286444692
Leave limp dick to me

Unironically, Rudeus helped change my life
>Realized I was becoming a NEET
>Started exercising and lost 25 pounds while eating healthier
>Re enrolled in college
>Got new friends

>>286435359
It's from the original webnovel as several people already said

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We all know what we're looking forward to in S3 but what are we looking forward to in S5?

>>286451979
I would love to actually see Geese and Badigadi doing their deeds to get the abyssal king Vita and the Fighting God Armor, as described in the light novel version. That way, we can see that the antagonists are not pulling shit out of nowhere, but have to move through extremely dangerous terrain to arrive to their goal.
Mostly because Geese, the weak but loyal disciple of the Man-God, is there, and an antagonist you are supposed to take serious should be shown that they are also willing to risk their life to achieve victory.

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>>286447218
is it morally correct to entrust your son's education to a schizophrenic man?

>>286452195
Well, Sieg sought out the North God, and they're all into chuuni stuff, even if Sieg later rues the day when his teacher and his dad play along with his delusions, and he wants to die from all the cringe witnessing.

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>>286452227
We should get some anime original content whenever redundancy is adapted with all the north autists gathered together and going on autistic adventures including Sieg

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>>286435820
I dunno, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the shitters in MT threads are the same ones always acting like demons being evil in Frieren is some nonsensical abomination of writing.
Like I'm sure there are SOME actual Frieren fans who hate on Mushoku Tensei cause Frieren is insanely popular with normalfags but I'm not sure the more persistent faggots actually like anything except being insufferable faggots.

Klein Moretti > Rudeus
Lotm > MT

>>286453455
say "tiananmen square massacre"

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>>286453663
xD

>>286451979
That looks fucking terrible.

What do you guys think of the morality of Rudeus having sex with people despite his mental age? My personal belief is that he can just go ham and have fun as long as he isn't outright grooming. He's also not much mentally older than the people he's having sex with.

>>286456139
>What do you guys think of the morality of Rudeus having sex with people
nobody has any power to deny fictional people from having fictional sex with other fictional people.

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>>286432801
>>286433412
As much as I believe in supporting authors, I don't think I would be caught dead buying this or other degenerate works in person lol, imagine being at Barnes and Noble and handing these books to the attractive part time cashier or old lady manager working it as a retirement gig. No offense to you guys or anyone who has bought it of course, maybe I'm too worried about what others think but Mushoku Tensei does seem to go a little too far in some areas

>>286456538
You think MT is so popular and well-known or infamous that even normiefags that work in a bookshop know everything about it?

>>286424129
I cant wait for you to discover how difficult and complex life is.

>>286456576
If they're really into books and literature I don't believe they would qualify as a normie

>>286457068
No one working at Barnes and Noble cares about books. Most can't even read.

>>286424144
The other part is that it's generally considered more humane than just killing them, and new evidence can turn up that proves their innocence. It won't give them the life they lost back, but having some life is better than no life.

>>286453455
Who?

Mushoku Tensei isn't about redemption, it's about Rudy being given a second chance at life & him doing his best to not waste it. I don't know why people keep spreading this misconception that it's a redemption story.

>>286457744
Hi, you have media literacy, please get off 4chan

>>286457744
>>286457744
It is a redemption story. He learns how to be a good man and love his family. "not being an icky pervert" isn't part of that progression as much as moralfags seethe about it.

>>286458833
Alright, yeah it IS a redemption story, his family from his first life all forgave him after he redeemed himself!

>>286458833
I really don't agree that it's a redemption story. Rudeus doesn't seek to make up for his past misgivings in any meaningful way, because that really isn't how Rudeus thinks; not with regards to himself nor even the people who have wronged him (Pax and Claire are examples of this). He isn't someone who really puts much consideration into recompense or rehabilitation. I think it's more accurate to say that it's a story about growth. Rudeus seeks self-improvement, and while he stumbles fucking constantly in his endeavors, he does achieve that. Redemption has never felt like the right word to describe his journey. He's not Vegeta: he's Jaime Lannister.

>>286460323
>>286457744
>>286458833
>MTfags now realizing that the story is nothing but the authors fetishes and not about any actual story

>>286460741
>give an inch and they take a mile incarnate

>>286460741
That's what makes it based, anon.

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sex with miggers

>>286460323
Rifujin was always the real Japanese George RR Martin and not Isayamacuck

>>286424184
If a faggot is getting rewarded before he even seems like a tolerable person then it just makes his apparent development worthless

>>286424965
Because they’re trannies

>>286424813
If boys their age can’t do anything with them then other girls most certainly shouldn’t be able to do anything

>>286424603
>if he ever faced actual consequences for any of his pedo shit then those readers would take it as a personal attack on them
Yeah just look at how much butthurt Subaru received because of the horrible treatment he received while being a moral person was too much for them to self-insert into

>>286460741
Except it is about an actual story. MT is about Rudeus' life, but it has an established world and characters that have their own lore even before Rudeus was born, so yeah, MT has an actual story in the background

>>286434326
IT SAYS DO NOT REPOST

>>286466132
name a single anime that doesnt have that

>>286466384
>the story has no story
>the story has a story
>what story doesn't
i love this place

>>286466384
uhm, fire...force?

westroonoids think that existence after death is a reward as a result of their death cult worship.
that's why they keep seething and kvetching and screeching about ______ getting another chance to redo his life as Rudeus Greyrat, claiming that it's an undeserved reward, and not accepting it as being a fluke of circumstance like the story says.
no matter how much they themselves claim to be distanced from their abrahamoid faith and upbringing, and to be a more enlightened and analytical, they still see everything through that lense, and become crazy and angry about it.
these types of people definitely prefer the more shallower types of isekai where a divine entity appears to the main character after their death and tells them that they will be rewarded with great powers and an enjoyable experience in the otherworld, which serves as an afterlife, mostly for doing some deed like working hard in a black company, saving a person from a crazy stabber, or being nice to kids. .

>>286423041
I wish I were Roxy

>>286455232
I wish the Chinese made another fan vid, this time with Asura arc, Bind would probably lose their shit considering they panicked and released the official PV right after this one(full original version got deleted)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm_NIypv13A&list=RDfm_NIypv13A&start_radio=1

>>286466132
Welcome to every story ever written

>>286423041
No. I hated it from when the LN was first getting translated and the general started up for the first time. Rudy being a pedo never bothered me. It was him being a piece of shit to both set of parents he had that turned me off and there's nothing else going on interesting enough for me to put up with an MC I dislike "growing more mature"

>>286467987
How the FUCK was he a piece of shit to Paul and Zenith? get the fuck out of here

>>286457744
It's redemption the thing is it's more of a personal redemption for rudy by rudy, hence the confusion.

>>286466384
Literally most of them. The story only starts when the MC (the center of the universe) joins in

>>286460323
Because people obviously dont get it. Growing is the act of redemption. A hikki / depressed loser shut in never grows. Making the most out of life IS the redemption story and it is because before the adventure it is the eventual acceptance of his role to others and never letting go of it. He becomes the central figure of his family, a man that steps up and sets boundaries despite still having a harem.
Since you are starting to piss me off the contrwst happens when you see the last third of the story as he raises his family.

>>286460741
Siding with retarded takes just makes you a other idiot moron

>>286468960
He was an ungrateful prick to them in the first book.

>>286466132
>established world and characters
And rules that allowed the MC to gain an upper hand right after his rebirth (Incantation-less spell-castin, laplace hacks etc.). And no blackboards or school uniforms in university.

>>286471466
>put effort training within the power system
>you get stronger
>get major trade off that blocks you from the rest of the power system
>somehow this is "hacks"