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Why is Freeza so much better than other villains?
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Bulma got FAT
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He was just one gigantic walking powerlevel. Once he got surpassed, he became a joke. Mere fodder.
Buu and Cell are far more interesting villains.
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Vegeta = Bejita.
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Daima is the true successor to DB.
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I dont get why CHADow is compared to Bejita
>isnt driven by a necessity to beat his rival (CHADic)
>has a more tragic backstory, doesnt cry about it all the time like the prince of a dead race
>has actually beaten his rival, cleanly, without any way to argue against it unlike JOBjita
>doesnt need to rely on a Super form to beat up the bad guys
Also hes actually won kek, All Hail Shadow
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>Freeza
eaten by the 21
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>CHADow in the halls
I FUARKING kneel to the strongest...
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I knew DB threads were full of illiterate retards, but holy fuck.
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You asked
>Why is there only one Freeza in the DB universe?
Which is the dumbest fucking thing anyone has ever written on this website. You literally lose IQ points from reading this shit you subhuman retard.
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You guys should try reading something other than 4chan posts, it might improve your reading comprehension.
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>has actually beaten his rival, cleanly, without any way to argue against it unlike JOBjita
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>give Bejita his binky
>he still cries
Ungrateful little bitch.
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>Vados m-ACKK
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My HERO.
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>>286434732
The power scale hadn't gone completely insane yet. A few scenes in particular stick out:
>when Freeza and his goons fly by and Gohan and Krillin are so fucking petrified by his (massively suppressed) power that they are physically unable to move save for some terrified trembling
>when he casually says to Nail that his power level is 530k during a time when 18k was considered significant
>when he transforms into his second form and Vegeta realizes he massively underestimated just how insanely strong Freeza is
>when he goes into his third form and brutally massacres Piccolo
And finally when he hits his final form and nobody except Vegeta can even see him move. He felt completely insurmountable and genuinely terrifying, and he also had a well-defined personality that let you know the heroes were not gonna be able to just talk their way out of this or band together and use the power of friendship to win, because they already tried that and basically all of them would have been dead if it weren't for Dende.
Even when Goku shows up, after his ridiculous power increase that spent half the arc getting jerked off, they're fairly even...then Freeza starts taking the fight a little seriously and Goku is utterly outmatched and beaten. It made you feel what the characters themselves were probably feeling.
Freeza is a master class in how to write a compelling and genuinely scary final antagonist. Later villains were meant to be scary, and some even managed to pull it off (Imperfect Cell, base Super Buu), but none of them stuck around long enough to establish themselves the way Freeza did, or else their personalities changed so drastically between forms that it didn't really feel like one contiguous battle against a single big bad. And by those points, the power scale was ridiculous, so it was hard to convey that sense of "He's so much stronger what can they possibly do" when everyone in the main cast could already nuke planets.
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>The power scale hadn't gone completely insane yet.
>when he casually says to Nail that his power level is 530k during a time when 18k was considered significant
You contradict yourself. We go from 20k-30k of Zarbon to a million-plus within a few volumes. It's too much and power level nonsense never recovered after that.
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That was the entire point, Retard-kun. High power levels were established as being around the 18k range, with even a few thousand above that being significant. Freeza suddenly dropping a 6 figure number turned the entire scale on his head and made him seem completely insurmountable.
I genuinely hate sharing this site with fucking idiots like you.
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>I swear to god one of you hates who you are and it’s why you keep making offensive comments about people who are trans and keep accusing others of being so. Like dude come on, stop projecting your shit onto me when it’s just obvious who you are. Also stop trying to put words into my mouth. I don’t call people hons because it’s offensive but YOU sure do!
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>>286437229
Upending the power scale and turning it into a complete joke is not a good way to sell your villain. It just becomes "actually X is a gazillion times more powerful than this guy you thought was serious business" wanking.
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>>286435302
More like no sissy finds this hot.
Real men like their women with some good meat on them.
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Freeza dropping that retarded power level number and utimately still losing was Toriyama's way of putting the cap on power levels as a concept. It was already established even back when Raditz fought Goku and Piccolo that a flat number means nothing and one person's number being higher doesn't guarantee they'll win. Freeza's initial power level was introduced as intentionally over the top and ridiculous to bait and switch the readers into thinking he was invincible because of his number, only to lose anyway because Goku turned into an Aryan
It was literally more of Toriyama's gag trolling
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You’re not wrong.
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>got a bulma radar
>almost killed not only Goku, but everyone in the cave if the forced plot armor rat hadn't saved them
>tanked Arale
>chased Goku for longer, even without clothes. SHITpai ran from the fight because his little gay clothes were torn, giving Goku an opening to train.
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The only faggot is the faggot who doesn't like their women with some good meat on them.
You're a sissy and should have your manhood cred taken away from you.
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>moeSHITTER wants to fuck fat women
It is INCREDIBLE how EVERYTIME a SHIT sentence gets UTTERED it is always a moeBITCH, a naruKEK nonetheless. STRONG MEN want their wife STRONG, so their PROGENY will also be STRONG. She has to be STRONG both in MIND and BODY. A fat SLUT has weak WILLPOWER. Go read DRAGONBALL and SOCRATES instead of naruSISSY and you will see the LIGHT.
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Can anyone dance better than the Ren? I vote 'no.'
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THAT'S MY HEROES!! THEY ARE LIKE THAT.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpVTETXVcek&lc=UgwSKKgSP-UNhEM-DcR4AaA BAg
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This is accurate, canon and is beneficial to our franchise and to our CHAD's Den. Please, keep posting this video.
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>VEGETAVEGETAVEGETA
Mindbroken.
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>>has actually beaten his rival, cleanly, without any way to argue against it unlike JOBjita
Still living ine denial? Mindbroken furfag.
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...in retarded schizo land.
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Our queen
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My fuarking HEROINE!
Shitjita could never...
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HER NAME IS VEGETA.
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It's only Bejita when Tardku asks him to kiss his wife. Otherwise his real name is Vegeta.
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kek, based.
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He only kisses Vados.
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Not canon. Never canon.
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She deserves to be canon
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>Next DB anime is just a shitty remaster
>Next DB game is another Xenoverse that'll get DLC for 10+ years
Just let this franchise rest lmao
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>>286435261
Freeza and his dad are the only really strong canon members of their species, the rest are normalfags.
They reproduce normally, but Freeza was a test-tube baby that his dad made to have a strong successor.
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If you want a serious answer, and not shitposting. He had a lot of build up going in. His introduction showed he could have been the final boss of this anime. He didn't care about proving himself or needing to be loud to be intimidating. With just a single command he had an army exterminating a race of people who got in his way. We were told he could easily destroy the planet anytime he wanted, and was far more cruel than any villain before. It was that slow horror of him being such a unstoppable force of evil, with the reveals of him hiding more and more powerful forms to twist the knife against any upper hand the heroes gained more than earned his spot as one of the greatest villains of anime itself.
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Androids will forever be the WORST arc in Dragon Ball.
>Frieza is literally the Emperor of the Universe, enslaving entire races, collecting the most powerful among them as his soliders. His Elite Squad is a collection of literally the most powerful fighters in the universe, all of whom don't even reach a tiny FRACTION of Frieza's full power. So strong his literal 1% powerlevel form is enough to effortlessly subjugate the ENTIRE universe
>some random fucking Earth scientist with a box of scrap metal in a cave builds robots stronger than him
>after the entire story of Dragon Ball has always portrayed technology as fucking useless compared to Ki
>despite Frieza, whose empire was lightyears ahead of Earth technologically thanks to absorbing countless of cultures and technology, also getting the Robotjob done and not becoming nearly as powerful
And we're not done.
>also some shitty metal DOOR in a cave is too strong for literal planet busters to break through
We're still not done.
>Gero downgraded from the 17/18 limitless energy model because he couldn't subjugate their free will and make them obey
>somehow also gives himself the downgraded model despite the fact that there's no fucking need to make himself obey himself (because he's himself)
No we're NOT done yet.
>BUT SOMEHOW 16 is even STRONGER than 17/18 WHILE having no problems with being controlled by Gero. How? Why? IT'S NEVER FUCKING EXPLAINED. Why didn't he just make more of this model? HAHA STOP ASKING QUESTIONS FUCK YOU.
WE ARE NOT FUCKING DONE.
>Nobody ever considers just using the Dragon Balls to find out where the fuck Gero's lab is before he activates the Androids
>TARDku kept the Time Chamber a secret for no reason
>HOW. IN THE FUCK. DOES CELL NEEDING TO ABSORB 17 AND 18 MAKE ANY SENSE? NOTHING ABOUT HIS CREATION HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THOSE TWO IN PARTICULAR. FUCKING WHY? WHY NOT 16? WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE POINT?
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The franchise will wither as soon as they run out of canon material to adapt, or the moment they stop plastering Toriyama's name onto everything, as if he was involved in every project. GT and Heroes have proven that people don't give a shit about fanficslop
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>*sniff* *hic* please don’t discuss Vegito’s name…
Why is DBM full of cunts?
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>you just have to except
Why is this guy trying to act like he's some authority on speech and language?
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He is right
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With absolute strength, comes absolute freedom.
The ISOTS represents true freedom, his only limitations being entirely self-imposed, voluntarily, and by his own personal sets of principles.
A hero, through and through, the J would be the doom of the multiverse if he chose to take that role, but he refuses to, out of adherence to his own ideals.
This trait of the Ren brings to mind philosophical concepts like absurdism, in the sense that the Renji pursues certain goals not out of any genuine need, but purely out of choice, no matter how arbitrary his ideals may seem to others.
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>a core theme in DB is hard work outdoing talent, characterized, for example, by Goku, a low-class Saiyan, becoming outrageously powerful through rigorous training and sheer one-minded force of will
>DBM gives characters "capped" potentials, meaning, once they reach their "maximum potentials," they cannot get stronger by training, and must rely on buffs like transformations to compete with characters who were just born better
Fucking retarded.
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Written well helped
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vZD05xm15Kc
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>>after the entire story of Dragon Ball has always portrayed technology as fucking useless compared to Ki
Dr. Gero literally crafted a perpetual motion machine that produces infinitely sustainable energy.
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>>a core theme in DB is hard work outdoing talent
You mean like when Goku learned the Kamehameha seconds after seeing it?
When Goku became physically stronger than Roshi through one year of training (though still lost due to lack of experience)?
When it took Goku 3 days to catch Korin, whereas Roshi took 3 years to perform the same feat?
When Goku drank water that unlocked his latent potential to give him the power to defeat King Piccolo?
When Goku surpassed King Kai in less than a year?
When Goku unlocked the Super Saiyan transformation in barely the span of a week after recovering from his fight against Vegeta?
You get the point.
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Goku beats him up. Can't think of a single character in fiction or non fiction who can beat my boy Goku.
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Don't get me wrong; I'm well aware that talent is still a major factor in DB, but I think that's more-so due to Toriyama making concessions for the 'rule of cool,' or even just keeping the main characters on top, in the face of enemies that would have otherwise fodderized them (like Cell, with his insane toolbox of abilities).
When Toriyama dumps exposition, like Bejita's speech during the Kid Buu fight, I think it's very clear the kind of message that he wants to convey, despite recurrent events that clearly clash with that message.
I respect your opinion, though, because there is a lot of talent-based bullshit in DB.
Even if we make a concession that talent is very prevalent in DB, the "capped potential" shit in DBM is still very 'feels bad,' wouldn't you say? Or, at the very least, that it's antithetical to DB's entire formula of breaking one's limits?
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I like the idea of Super Saiyan Blue Nuly having greenish blue hair.
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Because Freeza is a proper galactic EMPEROR with numbers on his side and many tales of enslavement to tell and it shows in his demeanor.
Cell and Buu are just baddies that pop up. Frieza has a legacy.
I did think that Zamasu was a pretty compelling villain in his own right but Frieza is in a class of his own and stands at the top of them because he isnt just some out of left field bad guy: he is legitimately an evil fuckin guy using his power to push others around.
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TUI would look so much better with flat black hair instead of the Omen highlights.
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She's a classy lady.
Krillin is a lucky man.
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PAWG 18 is the cruelest piece of fanfiction from Z fans. Because in reality she's built like a boy
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In the tournament of power it wouldve been easier to just bait Jiren into a powerful attack that kills krillin or someone. Jiren gets DQd for killing.
Aside from just running the clock out with number advantage that is
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Kid Gohan with that gi and that sword is one of his all time best looks.
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In reality she is a fictional character in a manga.
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What? When did this happen?
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>implying
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>fight Bejita lost
>fight no one won
Its actually 1-0, Shadow has 2 wins over Sonic btw, Bejitafag
>needs ultra ego to even match Super Shadow 1
Bejita kneels to CHADow
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>DB has more games than animations
Videotoys won
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>somehow also gives himself the downgraded model despite the fact that there's no fucking need to make himself obey himself
He didn't because it was "unstable" or something but t's never shown or explained how or why.
>Nobody ever considers just using the Dragon Balls to find out where the fuck Gero's lab is before he activates the Androids
They also never think to use them to instantly cure goku and not have him be laid up for a few days from the medicine.
>WHY NOT 16?
He was completely mechanical so cell wouldn't be able to properly absorb him like 18 and 17 who were still mostly organic.
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>parroting
You're a expert on that.
>homosexual truths
Yup!
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you guys really love your cuck fantasies huh
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>RTH
>falseflagging
>Ran away
I accept your concession.
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No lies detected.
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>doesn't deny it
>posts when no one is around
>I-I WON!
I accept your second concession.
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They have happy sex because of how canon they are.
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She's so cool, smart and strong....
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Jiren, the Chadnime, Toyotaro in prison? That's all I need.
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The future U7 GoD.
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In hindsight it Goku wasn't such a dick, Tenshinhan could have beat the androids and Cell solo
>never thought about the fact that Tien can copy moves just by seeing them once any time he learned something new
>never bothered telling Tien about the sacred water, which awakens potential, which obviously the humans never touched the water or Krillin wouldn't have got his potential awakened by Guru
>never bothered telling Tien about Yardrat despite Tien being able to copy techniques easily and already self teaching himself a few of the techniques, would have given him instant transmission, ki control, healing, and defusion
>never bothered telling Tien about the gravity training which would have made him way stronger and prepared him for the hyperbolic time chamber
>never bothered telling Tien about the time chamber until after everyone got their ass kicked by the androids
>never bothered training in the time chamber with Tien and teaching him the Kaioken, something Tien could have handled at a higher level if he learned the spirit healing on Yardrat to counter the side effects of Kaioken
>never bothered telling Tien that Roshi had a technique capable of turning people's on Ki against them electrocuting them
Tien could have beat all the androids and Cell by himself if he had all those buffs. He was holding Cell's second form down solo in base form, a way stronger Tien that could multiply his power several times with Kaioken, that could defuse the androids out of Cell, instant transmission around, use his kikoho to return Cell's Kamehameha's back no matter how powerful they are (cannon), and turn Cell's power against himself while he was trying to regenerate? It'd be a no brainer. Tien would stomp.
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>*BOOM*
Are we behaving in these halls today? I’ll be keeping a close eye on anyone not adhering to our standards in scholarly discourse. I descried a handful of miscreants already, you have but one warning.
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>>never thought about the fact that Tien can copy moves just by seeing them once any time he learned something new
Yeah that sure as fuck gonna help Tien defeat Androids who are 1000000000000000000 times stronger than him
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Beerus is such a bullshit character. Super Saiyan God Goku made Beerus use 70 percent strength. By all logic Beerus should have been surpassed at Super Saiyan blue given how much of a multiplier Super Saiyan is, but even if you argue it's only slightly stronger than SSG since it's using a different ki than Super Saiyan, then SSB with Kaioken multiplied by ANY amount should have definitely surpassed him. Or all the training Goku and Vegeta did. But then Jiren was physically stronger than Beerus and beat him at arm wrestling, so surely Ultra Instinct which was stronger than Jiren and had martial art prowess that even Beerus can't master should surpass him? Then he mastered UI even further during the Moro arc and Vegeta revealed that Jiren wasn't even that much stronger than Goku or Vegeta in their blue forms, he was just energy efficient. So by all logic if Jiren was stronger than Beerus, and Jiren wasn't that much stronger than SSB than SURELY when Vegeta went to Yardrat and mastered ki control himself AND got his own Ultra form he should have also surpassed Beerus?
Nope. That panel of Beerus saying "once you surpass me" is still after all that bullshit.
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Xenoverse would be great if they just added in the directional smashes from Tenkaichi and better transformations. How it does Super Saiyan 1 and 2 are exceptionally fucking lazy like it isnt that hard to just make a spiked version of each hair. Even worse is that mods already prove it can be done in engine.
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Yeah retard. The kaioken. Spirit defusion. Instant transmission. All on top of his ability to send ki attacks back at people.
Base Tien was protecting 18 from Cell's second form. If Goku helped him train he'd be stronger than the androids easily with Kaioken and Cell would be no problem given forced spirit diffusion can canonically force split absorption even.
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Okay, the Jiren being stronger thing then?
You proved my point though. His character keeps getting retconned to be stronger and stronger when he should have been surpassed at resurrection F, or definitely the universe 6 tournament if they didn't retcon. And they didn't even bother trying to say the Jiren thing was retconned.
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Power levels aside, Tien could have canonically got behind Gohan and sent Cell's own kamehameha back at him in the final Kamehameha battle. The Goku asspull wasn't even needed.
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>the most iconic technique in the entire fucking genre simply doesn't work against the Ten
See?
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Teen Gohan
Cell saga was pre-teen Gohan
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Nah 11 and 12 are preteens. Doesnt even matter Gohan was a 9 year old.
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>Frieza comes back and his new form is literally just a recolor
>alternate universe where the saiyans are good and Beerus is a fat fuck
>arc where future Trunks is fighting evil Goku
>multiverse arc where the main threat is a generic hollywood alien on roids with 0 personality
>Broly is made canon and he's a good guy now
>Cell is back but now he's a screaming retard with 0 personality and some of his parts have been recolored red
>Bardock was ackshually a hero and Goku's origin story is the same as Superman's
>Shenron can now make people stronger
>literally every new form is just a super saiyan hair dye
What the fuck is this fanfic garbage? Thank God fans don't actually work on the official material.
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It's not even the hard work vs talent narrative that DBM gets wrong. It completely removes the ethos of surpassing your previous limits, because NOW every single character is given a hard set power limit because some elderly Kai danced around Gohan and read a book for 24 hours. That's what SHARTlagir thinks.
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What did Toriyama mean by this?
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>you can't do smart work and reuse your designs
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I'm already Tracer.
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>Dood, Tien would have totally raped those androids if only Goku trained him even though Goku got destroyed by a weaker android..... B-but Goku actually didn't get defeated by the android but by the virus, so this makes sense.... even though Bejita got raped by the androids too so this makes no sense but you just have to stop asking questions and believe me, ok?
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SpongeCHAD is super saiyan level with ONLY basic karate knowledge btw
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Tienfags are quite a riot. They’ll simultaneously claim Tenshinhan can pull off random feats with collages compiled from out of context manga panels and then deflect and blame [character] for being the reason why Tenshinhan wasn’t strong enough.
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Tenshinhan scales to Buutenks (proven by The Collage), and he would've been even stronger if he had gotten the same wanked training that Goku and Bejita were given.
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>Tenshinhan scales to Buutenks
Define "scales to". If "scales to" means he can fight him and pose some sort of resistance, sure. If "scales to" means fighting him evenly, not even close and you know it.
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Tenshinhan would never follow in Goku’s footsteps.
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Reminder that Tanjiro is the strongest human BY FAR
>Has a special technique that allows him to deflect any ki beam, no matter how strong (could easily deflect Cell's Super Kamehameha)
>Proved to be at least as powerful as Buutenks during the Buu arc. The power of a man who never stopped training.
>Continues to be the absolute BEAST who's training the next generation while his peers are slacking as USUAL
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My headcanon is Tien and Broly become good friends and go to the Demon realm from Daima where Tien awakens his god eye that Toriyama mentioned way back when and creates the highest form of Ultra Instinct, because he can use multiple arms and use his eye to see everything in slow motion and copy techniques by seeing them, while Broly learns Super Saiyan 5 but can use it outside the demon realm since his Wrathful ability allows him ape body in default form. And the next series is a spin off of Tien and Broly because everyone is sick of Goku and Vegeta. And it's basically the ultimate martial artist vs. the ultimate power house. And basically the series is a Dragonball style adventure but through the other universes that Zeno erased except they got revived when 17 wished for all the erased universes back. But Chiaotsu replaces Bulma to be the third (useless at fighting) member because he realized he can't keep up with everyone else so he secretly started learning magic instead with Old Kai and he's how the trio gets around and gets between universes and dimensions.
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My HEROINE!!!! She's using Piccolo's move!!!!
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>>286454150
GT out of nowhere.
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Goku is my hero!
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21's snacks
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>"what if we made Bejita but he doesnt job and is actually cool?"
>Shadow created, makes millions, gets his own spinoffs where hes the main character
Bejita still hasnt been the main character once btw KEK
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DBM is actually weaker than the canon verse in some ways. Uub needs to spam kaiokens in order to compete with SS3 Goku when Uub should be on par with Kid Buu, and he's been training for years too. No one has actually gotten stronger since Ultimate Gohan is still treated as the strongest unfused fighter until Majin Bra shows up.
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>>286451849
Goku wins with the Genki Dama.
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Super is GT's prequel therefore Pan scales above all Super characters.
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New generations characters sucks, the core of DB characters reached its peak at cyborg saga. EoZ cast was born death already.
You can only make more alternative stories, everything after Buu saga or EoZ will always sucks.
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>The characters SHOULDN’T be suddenly 10x stronger
But they train between timeskips, Buu arc Bejita is unimpressed with Dabura who they all compare to Cell, and that's before getting the Majin boost. Multiverse is a long time after EoZ too.
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Salagir is like tinkertroon for his hatred of Goku.
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>Goku is suddenly weaker than slurpza even though the real base EoZ, GT and Super Goku is a trillion times stronger since Namek
>Salagir wastes his final tournament fight of his bootleg UI Goku to make his shitty OC look good.
>has to retread the irrelevant villains scheming behind the tournament heroes and host.
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Gohan should be the strongest still in that era.
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This isn’t a problem since we all hate Goku.
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What is the best Android 18 figure on the market right now?
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This one.
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A-ko > glass > Super Saiyan 4.
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>G-Glass-sama
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GTacos...
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Um excuse me. Baby's Revenge Death Ball was so powerful it was could tear time and space in the realm around the Kai's world. And SSJ4 Goku (GT) was stronger than Baby, meaning he's stronger than space and time. When Goku gets hurt it's because he lets his guard down because he was raised by humans meaning he fights with emotions.
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>Plain glass makes Giga Turd’s strongest form bleed
KEKYPOW what a weak bitch!! That faggot who thinks blocking a bullet and being totally fine in base is an anti-feat won’t like this.
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>SSJ4 Goku getting injured due to fatigue is ridiculous and unrealistic but pic related from Super is totally fine
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The fact Goku could even maintain SSJ4 given the circumstances is the real testament to his strength. Super Goku had the most retarded ass pulls in TOP. >Goku absorbing his own spirit bomb let him break through his own limit and instead of almost losing he's back actually
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>>286459356
Base Kid Goku (GT) is stronger than SSJ3 Goku during Buu. GT actually scaled base power levels during the time skip so you don't have stupid shit likw SSJ2 Trunks and Krillin the Cop fighting SSJ Blue.
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Since I already know that you're basing this off Goku's statement about Rilldo, allow me to BTFO you preemptively.
When Goku states that Rilldo is even stronger than Buu, he is referring to Kid Buu, who is not even as strong as base Super Buu, let alone Super Buu with absorptions. Further, the GT Perfect Files (the shitty guidebook that goes along with your shitty fanfiction) blatantly states that Luud is stronger than General Rilldo. Luud can't even beat Goku and Trunks in their base forms, and is much weaker than they are when they go Super Saiyan.
>b-but Level 3 Luud
When Goku fights the Sigma Force later in GT, he mentions that he hasn't encountered anyone that strong in a "long time", implying that both Luud (in all forms) and Rilldo are weaker. Goku goes on to fucking destroy them by powering up into Super Saiyan.
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>ran away
I accept your concession.
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Now it makes sense that daipa's power scaling was so dogshit and low.
They traced all this garbage.
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Freeza's people are more normal aliens, other than the fact they use a lot of biotech to make living armor (believe it or not Freeza isn't naked, not even in his true form).
Cold was a freakishly strong mutant, basically the Broly of his species. Freeza was engineered from birth to be even stronger and keep the same mutation Cold had.
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Goku fought Kid and Buuhan (and Majin) so why would you assume he's talking about 1 or 2 forms of Buu but not all? GT Files actually states that Rildo was Baby's strongest subordinate btw. Also Goku called Rildo stronger before he even fused with the planet so the statement was about base Rildo.
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He literally was fighting him while trying to get the Potaras done. >Inb4 anime only. Yes, GT is a continuation of Z.
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It's time to stop typing and go touch grass anon
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>mad that he BTFO himself
>l-l-leave me alone!!!!
>literal Reddit babble
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Incorrect.
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GT is a humiliation ritual for everyone who watches it. Glad it will NEVER be canon.
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