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So i'm hosting 7 goats (three pregnant) on short notice inna barn inna woods of Maine, surprise they came with a three yo Maremmano sheep dog that was raised as a puppy with them. Apparently this thing is somewhat rare and doesn't act like other dogs. It is dead silent. It hasn't made a single sound, i just sat in the truck not moving the whole time for four hours on the way there. It is easy enough to handle on a leash once it is on but clearly doesn't like it and it is very difficult to get it on.
We got it to the barn without trouble, let it go and it immediately leapt a 5 foot fence, circled the barn, quartered it then just sat on a elevation and didn't move besides an occasional circling of the barn. It isn't hostile but you can't really get within 4 feet of it, the only thing it does besides 'guard' is break up the goats when they go after each other.
From what i was told:
>Don't make friends with it, it will eventually get used to you
>It will never follow orders and don't try
>It is harmless to humans, keep it away from other canines
>Don't try to confine it, let it patrol the yard
>Don't worry if it wants to stay outside, apparently it will just sit there in a storm and doesn't give af if it is getting slowly covered in several inches of snow
It is a very good looking and well behaved dog, it just seems cautions and utterly focused on it's herd. Obviously a working dog.
Anyone have experience with them? My understanding is i feed it, water it, keep other canines away and otherwise just let it do it's thing.
Pic from wiki, will take one of mine tomorrow.
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>>5102863
I have a white husky, think your image but female and triangle ears.
She misbehaves occasionally, but would protect my chickens with her life.
Give the dog a few long walks and make sure it knows you're in charge.
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>>5102872
From what i've been told and read this breed is never going to be a pet if i didn't raise it, it is a working dog and i have to be assertive but not aggressive.
I'm in a unorganized territory so exercise isn't a issue, so far it leaps over the fence, circles the area then comes back and just sits by the goats. It will behave just fine and let itself be transported however i was told that unless it is confined indoors they are almost impossible to get a leash on them unless you have had it for a while and even then it is very difficult.
It has not barked or made a sound once, for the breed that seems very odd. They are supposed to bark alot. From what i understand the breed would be utterly unsuited to a new owner unless it was with it's flock and in a isolated rural area which it is.
I was warned that while harmless to humans and most animals it absolutely will not back down from another canine regardless of size or how many there are, it will just stand there and defend.
I just got it so i'm very much trying to figure it out, i seem to have stumbled into a odd canine that i'm very lucky is in the middle of nowhere.
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>>5102863
being already 3 years old doesnt help since this kind of dogs are very stubborn and independent. but they do follow orders if you teach them when they're young.
also it is not true they're harmless to humans, it depends on his outbring and personal temperament, so be careful because they're tough motherfuckers. they do however make it clear when they dont like something or someone.
>It has not barked or made a sound once, for the breed that seems very odd. They are supposed to bark alot.
they're quite smart as guards, adults dont bark unless they feel there's the need to.
>From what i understand the breed would be utterly unsuited to a new owner unless it was with it's flock and in a isolated rural area which it is.
this is true, but in your case it seems it's fine. just dont boss him around too much until he's used enough to you, and even then be sure to not try to intimidate him or stuff like that. it doesnt work, it's not the kind of dog you can scare or intimidate, they're gutsy enough to fight bears without taking a sweat. not saying they're gonna win, but fight, they'll fight.
i guess you're both lucky since these dogs like to be free and do their thing and you said you live in the middle of nowhere, so no problem to keep him unchained. and you get a smart sheperd dog for free, so all for the better.
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>>5102889
>also it is not true they're harmless to humans, it depends on his outbring and personal temperament, so be careful because they're tough motherfuckers. they do however make it clear when they dont like something or someone.
From my understanding I'm supposed to be firm but not threatening but don't let it boss you around either. It's too old for me to really train it. By harmless that excepts it seeing me as a threat, i haven't felt threatened by it once.
>just dont boss him around too much until he's used enough to you, and even then be sure to not try to intimidate him or stuff like that. it doesnt work, it's not the kind of dog you can scare or intimidate, they're gutsy enough to fight bears without taking a sweat. not saying they're gonna win, but fight, they'll fight.
Pretty much this is what i was told. By 'harmless' i mean as long as i don't doing anything really stupid, i'm well aware it can theoretically kill me without serious effort.
>keep him unchained
Her and i suspect it will be a while before i could even get close enough to get a leash on it.
I really need to put up a warning sign in case some idiot shows up to visit and lets their dog jump out of their truck don't i?
I just got it. I had intended to put her in the barn with the goats overnight but it immediately jumped the fence around the court yard, patrolled the yard and eventually settled in front of the barn door. It is around 5-0 f but apparently she is OK with that.
The current plan is i'll put a dog door on the barn so it can get jump into the courtyard and go into the barn, the fence stops the goats but the dog ignores it.
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>>5103117
Made her a insulated dog house, not sure if she will actually use it. She can jump the fence (i even made a entrance ramp) and use a dog door to stay with the goats, not sure if she has figured that out yet.
She is acting weird because besides the breed i just realized she isn't spayed and is in heat. Yay, wolf fighting outdoors dog in heat pissing everywhere in the middle of our most active Coyote season. Probably should think of getting or making one of those flat chain link Roman style protective collars.
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>>5103236
How is this related to anything, you brainless drama queen retard?
Do you think youre somehow better than him because he contributed while you WHINED about a complete non-issue?
Have someone smash your fingers with a hammer so you dont make arrogant retarded posts again
Fucking moron
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>>5103231
She does seem based. She will sit silently all night, bark once then run off for a bit then come back. She spent all night sitting next to the dog house then ran off as soon as it was day, haven't seen her for a couple hours but she will come back. It is unnerving when she does, i'll turn around and she will be standing there like a statue 20 feet behind me. Feels like you are being stalked by a wolf.
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And of course she ran off and hasn't been seen for 24 hours. I was informed this would probably happen, so what 75% chance she comes back, 25% no and 10% knocked up by a backwoods Maine 'totally not a Coyote with 1/4 Wolf DNA' right?
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>buy a special "livestock guardian dog" for $1000 and if it does fight off coyotes you risk a $10,000 vet bill to stitch it back together all to protect $200 worth of fucking goats you don't even own
>also yeah you're supposed to treat it like shit because... because you just are okay!?
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>>5103825
I didn't buy it the thing came with them, when i agreed to do winter goat sitting i had no idea the dog was coming with them. It isn't even needed, i've had goats for a decade and they have never been bothered. Once i saw a lynx walk up 15-20 feet from a bunch of 3 month old kids, sniff them then wander off.
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>>5103863
Additionally: It would a non issue if i had known how big it was or that it could jump the fence in the barn courtyard, we had it in the barn. All i needed to do if i knew it's size was make the fence a little taller.
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>Be OP inna woods in unincorporated Maine
>Reread 'America's "New Wolf" by Gene Letourneau
>Live exactly where he was talking about
>Pure breed Maremmano know for running off inna woods for 3 days at a time is inna woods in heat
>Regular Coyotes probably too small and scared to try to mate her
>Local hunting lodge has 10 Coywolves hanging off a beam as a part of a local eradication project/contest and 'fuck you' to everyone who ignored Letourneau
>Coywolves sort of legalish Grey area in Maine
If she comes back which she probably will (the breed apparently refuses to stay inside or even under cover in sub zero temperatures so besides starving or getting killed she is OK) then if she gets knocked up i have some very interesting puppies don't i?
For the record if anyone is questioning why i have this hound on short notice and obviously unprepared: I had no idea that i would have this dog 72 hours ago nor did i know what it was, it was a stroke of luck that she ended up with me. The owners selling the goats sprung it on us at the last moment as they were owned by their father who died and they were liquidating the farm, it seemed clear that if we didn't take it they would probably take it out back and shoot it. Since we have the proper environment for it and plan for a large goat herd (100+) over 125 acres in rural Maine the dog can work out really well assuming she survives the adjustment to a new location.
If she doesn't come back it is possible she isn't dead, the previous owners say she was fed meat occasionally and they saw her chewing on a bobcat she killed as well a few hares so she may be able to hunt.....
Fuck, i just realized something. People live me are the reason Coywolves exist aren't i?
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>>5103962
Yeah but she is in heat and coyotes/coydog wolf hybrids are the only thing she can mate with in the area. She is big enough that i'm not worried about her being killed by typical coyotes, it would take at least three or four of them to kill her and she has decent chance of winning that fight.
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>>5103991
She has been offically (as of this post) gone for 72 hours however i am reliably informed that is to be expected. This morning we had a dusting of snow and saw her tracks a few hundered meters away on the road, i expect her back since i have food, i put out heated water and i have her goat herd.
>She is in heat
>16 miles to the nearest paved road
>Rural Maine inna Jackman area
>Coywolf/Eastern Wolf is the only thing big enough to mate her inna Maine woods as she might kill smaller suitors
>Gone three days
So if she comes back what are my chances of having a litter of very interesting puppies in the near future?
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>>5105166
SHE HAS RETURNED! 72 hours, she is just fine. >>5105178
I think their dad ran the farm and he died. It was $700 for 7 goats plus dog including a very nice adult buck and three fancy females were were pregnant. The does are on their 2nd and third pregnancies so they will have high survival rates. It is a damn good price.
>>5105189
Not sure yet.
I keep worrying about it being cold, turns out if you don't have a pond for them and it is a how summer i might have to shear the damn thing. She will get within 10 feet now, i bought dog treats.
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>>5105178
Livestock Guardian Dogs are not pets and if you are getting rid of the livestock, it is better for them and you if you get rid of the LGD too. Even herding dogs, which are closer to pets than LGDs will generally transition better to a life with different people than a life without animals to herd, so frequently they will be dispersed with as well when people sell off their herd.
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>>5105582
No, she has papers so if i can find a mate who has them as well the puppies are extremely valuable. Also i kinda wouldn't mind if she somehow mates with a coywolf as those would be intresting and valuable as well.
No idea how i'd get her to a vet anyway.
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Damn, this is really interesting.
Like others have said, never expect her to become a pet to you, view her more like a working colleague. Maybe she'll even warm up to you more as time goes by, in spite of her autism and losing her old man.
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We have a LGD as a working dog & pet. He is always on duty, but will come in each night for dinner, play & general bonding time. he is very different from any other dog I have ever owned. he is well trained & responds to many commands for work and etiquette. that said, things are done at his pace, for the amount of time he feels is appropriate... except for guarding. he is always on guard duty.
he is on guard at all times. we never had to train him to guard our farm. he is friendly, but intimidating. that said, he is 65kg... if me, my wife, his sheep or the farm was in obvious danger, he would "address the problem" with all of his being.
when we work his sheep it is not by nipping, chasing or aggression. he moves them by pushing, blocking & blending/leading. I taught him how to herd, it was not "natural" nor is he great at it. livesstock GUARDIAN does not mean "herding" dog. I am not an experienced shepherd nor am I a dog trainer. he is a significant help to me, nonetheless. he had to be taught to *not* go after the small livestock (rabbits, chickens, quail, etc) but he learned easily.
teaching and interaction is done through praise and "games". you cant scold or threaten him in any way. of it is warranted, ill firmly tell him "NO! BAD DOG!" one time, while pointing at him. after that, we move on. that would require something serious. dont scold them, there is no point. instead, if they adore you, they *WANT* to do whatever makes you praise them.
our experience & results are different, because he was raised closely with us for the first 6 months of his life and is still treated like a member of the family. he is our only dog. he still got daily exposure to farm life & process, but he was not full-time, outdoor, unsupervised guardian until he was 18 months old. we didn't start shepherd training until he was nearly 2 years old.
we are all learning together as we go. I am a first time shepherd & he is our first LGD.
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She will not get too close but she is starting to follow me around and even camped out by my door for a couple hours, i strongly suspect that had something to do with the half box of dog treats and cooked chicken i kept giving her. I can get her to follow and even direct her by throwing food, i'll need to get a bag of marble sized kibble for throwing soon otherwise she gonna get fat.
It is very odd to have an animal whose instructions include mostly ignoring her and leaving her outside in -10 weather.
For something that is suposed to have been bred to fight wolves for thousands of years she sure isn't intimidating besides when you get suprised by her blending into the snow. She kinda comes off as a skittish wimp.
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we have a very strange "working language" that we use to communicate. words are chosen that are only used during work. we have a more relaxed tone and use a different language for non-working time. repetition, praise & make work a game to him. I bet yall become solid coworkers.