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>>24081303
>Will the Orthodox and Catholic Churches reunite?
No.
>Should they?
No.

>>24081303
TWU

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All Christian denominations should unite under the guidance of the chosen people, as G-d intended.

Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox are different.

The differences are cultural, but the churches are in communion.

Protestant "churches" are NOT because they worship modern kikes instead of Christ. Hopefully one day they will recognize that babykilling is gay

>>24081303
is that kingcobraJFS? i thought the nigger had die

>>24081308
Presbyterians literally have an adl page about them only amerimutt evangelicals are kike worshippers
https://www.adl.org/resources/news/presbyterian-churchs-lost-moral-compass-israel

>>24081304
they probably should but the tyrant of rome always feels the need to be primary for some reason. other people find this ridiculous.

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garbage jew worship cults

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>>24081311
>tyrant
>ridiculous

>>24081313
im against mariolatry too

>>24081308
Not exactly, Catholic Church recognizes sacraments from the Orthodox but the other way around isn't true. I'm not sure if it's all autocephalous churches though because last I heard Bulgarian and Russians and Greeks were also fighting and excommunicating each others.

>>24081303
orthodox wont recognize the primacy of rome, as they have a council of bishops

>>24081303
Im sad Catholism won
I like it but can deal with priests not being able to marry and the pope being the maximum authority

why do you keep making this thread you papist spastic, your church already says that orthodox sacraments are 100 percent valid so a reunion is unnecessary. leave us alone please lol.

>>24081318
It's still not the true Church though.

>>24081303
Orthodoxy doesnt believe jews are chosen people anymore.

Cathollics do

>>24081320
No they don't.

>>24081319
saying that we're wrong then you are basically admitting that the pre schism unified church's traditions that we still hold to are false or heretical, lol do you really want to go down that road? It's clear to everyone who is honest that the Roman church changed and even your own documents admit it.

>>24081303
Orthodox are more likely to reunite with their Muslim brothers desu

>>24081322
How so?

>>24081323
post vat 2 Roman Catholics are even in closer solidarity to Muslims than even the brown coptic ortho larpers which is saying a lot.

>>24081303
>>24081304
Polaks are so cringe, you have no idea what Catholicism even is, you are like football hooligans rooting for your team, you dumb round faced Asiatic.
Catholic vs Orthodoxy is GREEK and ITALIAN politics, they were separated due to geo-political reasons when Greece and Italy were rivals. The only legitimate way to bring back the Roman Empire is to unite the churches. Rome is not Russia, Germany, USA or anywhere else. There is only one path to bring back Rome and the first step is uniting the Greek and Italian church again

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>>24081308
>Hopefully one day they will recognize that babykilling is gay
Abortion is murder. Murder should carry the death penalty.
>t. Protestant

>>24081303
Would love to see the United States Catholic Church completely step away from the Vatican and adopt a more orthodoxy stance. You just can’t defend Catholicism anymore. All of the copes for adopting pagan rituals from pagan Rome is complete heresy. Return to the Catholic Church prior to the schism and plant your faith independently. I believe American Catholics will flock to it and find anyway to get away from this Roman cult. In my opinion, this is exactly why the Vatican made the current pope an American, to prevent the inevitable escape of American Catholics

>>24081327
>Prots are against killing children
By definition, you cannot support Judaism in any capacity then. Evangelicals will suck a Jews cock in a heartbeat

>>24081325
All the old Orthodox strongholds are Islamic nowadays. They all bent over.

>>24081312
Not an argument ignorant /poltard

>>24081326
>thinking christcuckery is a uniter of the roman empire
fuck me, imagine learning history like this.

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>>24081330
>They all bent over.

Jews have been at War with Orthodoxy ever since the Greek king was the first non-Jew to discover the existence of the talmud around 800AD and started the Jew vs Christian War that is still ongoing

>>24081333
i want all your abrahamic jewish shit gone. keep it in the levant, outside of europe.

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>>24081334
Jesus was born in the Roman Empire and the first Christians were welcomed as saviors when they arrived on the Greek islands, the first Greek convert met Jesus in person and spread the word before the disciples arrived, Christianity is the story of the lost tribes of Israel aka the Europeans, deal with it Abdullah

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>>24081334
>abrahamic jewish

Also there is no such thing as "Abrahamic" that is a fake trigger word like Judeo-Christian. "Abraham" is not a Christian figure, that is the word for BRAHMIN, an Indian tribe that Jews originate from. Jews moved around like nomadic gypsies for centuries cultivating their demon worshipping book, the Synagogue of Satan

>>24081336
dont care. want none of it.

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>>24081331
It is, when all you do is protect jews

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>>24081337
>dont care. want none of it.

that's why you live on a cursed island and are doomed, you betrayed God

>>24081338
There is no mention of "Jews" in the original bible, that is a fake word created 3-4 centuries ago and edited into modern bibles to trick the "goyim", modern day Jews have no connection to the biblical HEBREWS. Judaism alongside Islam was created around 7-8 centuries AFTER Christ, you fucking golem beast

Christianity tier list :
>Catholicism
>Orthodoxy
>Protestantism
>Evangelicalism
>Non-Trinitarians

>>24081340
k

>>24081314
>im against mariolatry too
It's not idolatry heretical retard, it's rightly veneration. Mary, the Blessed Mother, the Theotokos bore our Lord and Savior because the Word (the Logos) of God had to become Man to sanctify our fallen nature and grant for us with his human life and death possible salvation with his divinity. She quite literally had to be literally the purest (not without original fallen nature) and uniquely holy in order to be able to carry God in her womb so that he can be born (as God only dwells where there is purity and holiness), so not only was she the purest and holiest mortal person who ever lived but she bore our benefactor (Christ), so she is above all the angels and elevated to a unique status deserving of our veneration because she is the mother of the Man who is summit of all desire. Her relationship to Christ as a human being is the closest so who better is their for us to ask for intercession and the Lord's mercy then Mary who was his literally earthly mother. Church didn't just venerate her for no reason or because of some pseudo-paganism retard. This, plus there is Marian hymns from the Early Church so not some new invention.

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>>24081303
thats whats up yootubez

>>24081341
>>Non-Trinitarians
not Christians

>>24081343
yeah i know all that. please keep i mind that the term Theotokos was invented to defend Christ against heretics, not to create unbiblical doctrines that see people pray to a dead human.

>>24081345
agreed

>>24081303
They'll unite if they can mutually agree on what unity means and looks like, an administrative type unity for the sake of the good image or efficiency risks giving the false impression that it's not the Holy Spirit and the truth of Christ’s teachings hat makes the church one body but administrative peace treaties, agreements or human arrangements in general, it's a sacramental unity and not legalistic or political.

>>24081338
Yes because the Jews were originally the ones who kept the faith in the one true genesiac God, where chosen to be the keepers of the covenant and the people who would be a living testament and prepare a way typologically and historically for the faith of the one true God and Christ and also who did not succumb to paganism because they were given the Law of Moses and reaped divine consequences whenever they tried to. No one who really knows anything would deny this but you are misconstruing this truth to say that therefore we even remotely think the Modern Jews are holy or have some importance over us (despite what some retard Prot Evangelicals who are as deceived as Left-Wing Marxist, which is false. Paint this innocent truth in whatever dishonest light you want but the Jews were chosen (*KEYWORD BEING "WERE"), they weren't always wicked, avaricious and perfidious people despite what some historically ignorant anons say, they became only as sickened as they are now because of their (the ones who didn't accept Christ) stubborn rejection of Jesus and therefore the one true God as all whole, spiritually cursing they who remained in the Old Covenant despite being revealed the New. They, who are now Talmudic followers and have become the henchmen and foot soldiers of iniquity. Truth is that if wasn't the jews it would be someone else, it for reasons happen to be that region and happen to be them. Covenant was always going to come to one group of people who would have served as a symbolic stewardship for God's revelation to humanity, could have been anybody but for specific reasons happen to be them. So all these arguments you guys try to use are naught because of the ignorance of their basis. You niggas simply lack any understanding of nuance or discernment. You can't even tell me why ontologically the jews are even bad to begin with.

>>24081334
I noticed the as the west is becoming more and more secular it is more and more welcoming of being flooded with browns
but surely there's no relation

>>24081349
this. a bunch of other stuff got worse too.

>>24081346
>yeah i know all that. please keep i mind that the term Theotokos was invented to defend Christ against heretics, not to create unbiblical doctrines that see people pray to a dead human.
Holy shit you are fucking stupid, are you even Christian? If Mary the mother of our literal and savior who was resurrected from the fucking dead is according to you a "dead human". Then in that case we are all fucking dead because even Christ own mother isn't alive and eternal, therefore in Heaven according to you. What happen to Christ promise to the Good Thief on the Cross about being received into the Eternal Paradise and Kingdom, wait so did he lie then because according to you he is also a dead human we "pray to"? So all of the Apostles and early believers who were promised eternal salvation after death and reception into the Kingdom of Heaven are dead? So Christ lied to all of us and the Scripture is lying apparently because everyone is "dead" according to you? So what's the point of believing them dumbass? Do you even know anything about what your talking about retard, think before you speak. The soul isn't even perishable retard bet you didn't know that, its immaterial so it can't be destroyed because its beyond matter. Read some theology for goodness sake, it's really not that hard.

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>>24081303
>Orthodox and Catholic

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>>24081349
>>24081350
God promised to not do a hard reset(the flood) again, he is clearly still punishing those who betray him like Judeo-Masonic UK

>>24081349
I'm all for a neo-Enlightenment, a return to the culture which existed during the British Empire, and a general elimination of some post-modern values.

A lot of the evils in the west are from protestant cults like the Quakers who have constantly tried to undermine society.

As long as we are all subservient to the Jews and Israel's government, it doesn't matter. All Christians are aligned with Israel

>>24081351
>Then in that case we are all fucking dead because even Christ own mother isn't alive and eternal, therefore in Heaven according to you.
ok, so why aren't you praying for help to other dead humans? thats equally unbiblical.

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>>24081303
Catholics are the original Protestants.
They broke off from the Orthodox Church.
If the Catholics can repent of their sin of placing the Pope between believers and Christ, they might be able to.

They most likely will not.

>>24081353
thankfully He's going to come and scrub everything clean with fire next time.

>>24081306
every christkike on earth needs to be killed

>>24081315
All the eastern orthodox churches are still in communion with each other but the Greeks and Russian churches have political issues

>>24081341
Lutherans?

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>>24081360
>but the Greeks and Russian churches have political issues

Russians really have balls, those fuckers spent 100 years as militant atheists and killed Christians, then they "re-found" their Orthodox faith 3 decades ago and act like they are the leaders of Orthodoxy. Meanwhile Greeks NEVER lost their faith, ever, fucking russian ingrates

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>>24081360
they have hygiene issues. nah only kidding. i've met a bunch of cool orthodox monks.

>>24081361
LCMS are good if you ask me.

>>24081362
A lot of honest and pious Russians continued on during that time but yeah there are certain communist elements that need to be removed from the Russian church

>>24081303
No and no

>>24081321
Yes they do.

>>24081303
Foreign religion amalgamizes with whatever the local culture is and becomes just a facade for it, reuniting fundamentally different cultures isn't easy (and probably not even desired)

>>24081366
>No and no

Why not? You have no idea what Catholicism and orthodoxy even is you dumbass, just like Polaks, you cheer it on like sportsball teams with no clue.
Listen retards, Catholicism and Orthodoxy were split due to Greek and Italian geo-politics, they were rivals and enemies for millennia and it climaxxed with the Great Schism. Now that they are on friendly terms again it would make sense to unite them again, the only people against this are corrupt leaders of both churches

>>24081369
Both sides have genuine theological differences

>>24081369
PAPISTS
leave those greeks alone

>>24081356
Heard of something called a Saint??? Is everyone who ever lived a Saint? Was Ted Bundy a saint, was pol pot a saint? Because they're dead too and according to your logic I would pray to them too and ask for their intercession. Do you even think before you post? Also it is bibical and supported by Scripture I can pull up the verses. Also we don't just ask "dead holy people" to pray for us, we ask even living people to pray for us and for us to pray for them. Prayer doesn't equally mean worship, you're misinformed. Prayer means to offer supplication, to ask, to essentially communicate, and it has levels with the use of verbalizing being the lowest and the heart being the highest. It's the spiritual language, faculty God has given us, its a act of our capacity to have faith, it's relational. It is different from veneration which is what we also do regarding the Saints (some dead people according to you), to venerate is to respect and highly regard, we venerate them because they lived such holy and truly God pleasing lives they stand as ideals and examples of what it truly means to follow Christ. And because in the communal eyes of the Church they are sanctified. So veneration isn't idolatry because we aren't worshipping them as God and prayer isn't intrinsically worship, I can pray for you and not worship, and vice versa. Your just conflating all these terms. Words have actual meaning, in case you aren't aware. Don't mean to be harsh but like seriously.

>>24081313
>>24081304
Stalin literally returned Christianity and destroyed left movement

>>24081370
>have genuine theological differences

Not really man, it's 99% about artificial differences, like Greeks wearing black uniforms and Catholics wearing white, Greeks using icons while Italians don't, it's bullshit. There can be a council that irons all this stuff out

>>24081346
I prefer that we use the term Mater Dei.

>>24081373
Such a thing as the heresy and apostasy of Sergianism. Look it up. Even the Antichrist is said to allow pratice of the Christian faith for a period as long as it compromises to him.

>>24081326
You are making it more complicated than it actually is. Let me explain this for retarded people.
Catholic church = infiltrated, financed and controlled by the jews
Orthodox Christianity = not infiltrated, financed and controlled by the jews
If they merged, both would be infiltrated, financed and controlled by the jews, so no, they should not reunite.
Catholics are reading kike insanity called The Old Testament only (Torah)
Orthodox are reading The New Testament only (the only real Bible)
Now you know. You are welcome.

>>24081372
exactly. unbiblical practice.

>>24081374
>uniforms
>icons
You're right that is superficial, but you're wrong about this being 99% of the difference. The big important difference that really makes an impact is the different interpretations of Christ. Orthodox churches believe the Son is separate from the Father, the Father is the sole uncaused cause, the Father creates the Son and the Spirit. In Catholic churches, the Father the Son and the Spirit are three who are one and none came before the other as all are the beginning of creation.

>>24081375
same same. so long as its used in the proper way as intended either will do.

>>24081307
Still realistically a more likely reunion than any false union with Rome.

>>24081316
Nor should they. First among equals.

>>24081323
Actual brainlet take

>>24081330
And we have the brave crusaders to thank for this.

>>24081352
>Romanian
>Icons are idols

Go back to church.

>>24081372
Lots of pilpul justification, I simply worship and pray to our father God in heaven, simple as.

>>24081381
I identify more with ancient Greece and Rome than Levantine 5th column cults.

>>24081383
Pagan larper? Kek.

>>24081379
Both believe that God is 1 God with 3 persons. Separate but but equal but one. One of the big problems is the filloque which the orthodox believe diminishes the holy spirit thus making God less. Then there is all the Mary stuff that the Roman catholic church is walking back on plus papal supremacy and other things

>>24081378
So you didn't read anything I said at all. You you either have complete cognitive dissonance or quite literally incapable of reading therefore illiterate. Some men just can't be reasoned with likely because they lack reason itself. Sad. I'll pray for you :)

>>24081308
>the churches are in communion.
Did you miss the part where orthodoxy only exists because the Catholics excommunicated them? Or was there a reunion I'm unaware of?
>Protestant "churches" are NOT because they worship modern kikes
My boy, you're thinking one particular type of dispensationalist evangelicalism. Anglicans and Lutherans just denied the supremacy of the pope as head of the church (Jesus is). They're still devoted to a single universal, catholic, and apostolic church.
It feels like you might have a pop-culture understanding of protestantism unbecoming of a Christian.

>>24081385
>>24081379

Like I said earlier, a council of elders could iron all this stuff out. Greece and Italy need to re-join together, the land, people and religion, bring back the Roman Empire and a new dawn of hope for mankind

>>24081384
They make nice stories, and for good celebrations. It's no coincidence that christcucks co-opted everything.

As for actual ideology to following, I think the British Empire had it on lockdown when they 'rediscovered' the value of the ancients during the Romantic movement and applied it to the modern world.

>>24081303
>Will the Orthodox and Catholic Churches reunite?

The name for these are Uniates btw.
>>24081307
true.

>>24081386
im familiar with all your excuses and waffle. its always the same. Just pray to God like the Bible says.

>>24081372
I do love seeing paganism shining through Christianity.

>>24081303
Why do you show us the good timeline where cobra survives? Only to make us suffer?

We are in the middle of erecting the Tower of Babel 2.0. Wear your meta glasses so people who don't speak the same language can debate what a woman is. The internet is filtering all of our conversation now. No one is watching the same movie. We are faced with a billions of tiny schisms. Reunification? Schism? We read about such things. We don't experience them anymore.

>>24081389
>no coincidence about coopted holidays

No historical basis for this statement. Jewish lies to make Christianity look unauthentic. Neo paganism is the same Jewish psyop.

>British Empire larp

What religion were they again?

>>24081388
Tbh I think the oriental orthodox and the eastern orthodox will reunite long before orthodox reunite with rome

>>24081303
Orthodox are too jewish and autistic to ever do that, Catholics would probably be willing tho

>>24081391
Scripture is not self interpreting. Quit coping.

>>24081372
>>24081378
Wrong, faggots
Romans 1:7 (ESV): "To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." (Sainthood is an invitation to believers).
1 Corinthians 1:2 (NIV): "To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be his holy people, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ—their Lord and ours."
Ephesians 2:19 (NIV): "Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household."
Psalm 16:3 (NIV): "I say of the holy people who are in the land, 'They are the noble ones in whom is all my delight.'"
Psalm 31:23 (KJV): "O love the Lord, all ye his saints: for the Lord preserveth the faithful, and plentifully rewardeth the proud doer."
Revelation 14:12 (KJV): "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
1 Corinthians 6:11 (NIV): "...But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."
>>24081377
Orthodox use the Septuagint

>>24081395
>What religion were they again?
nominally christian but in truth the king had supplanted the church of christ with the so-called anglican church that lets the king do as he pleases. you can still see the effect of this today. the anglican church has a man who cheated on his wife as its leader. lmao

>>24081395
The British Empire followed enlightenment ideology, not Christian.

If you disagree, name the 5 most important Christian ideological tenets and I'll assess.

One of the biggest gripes I have with Levantine cultism, is that they try and claim everything as their own by painting it in their brush.

Byzantines used to call themselves Roman, when it was a totally separate power system. The right to self identify is bollocks. Actions speak louder than words.

>>24081382
Not even a papist, I'm orthodox (Ancient Apostolic Church that never deviated from the original faith and its tradition). Papacy is actually heretical, corrupted and has invented unbiblical doctrines. Fact that you assume all these holy pratices with Rome only shows how little you are educated about Christianity and the biblical faith.

>>24081397
>too Jewish

Buddy look who reformed the Roman liturgy during Vatican 2.

>>24081398
you're obviously free to invent whatever practices you like.

>>24081399
how does any of that say 'pray to dead people'?

>>24081303
>Will the Orthodox and Catholic Churches reunite? Should they?

Yes, they will. Yes, they should.
But it will only happen eventually.

First we have to end judeo-amerimutt supremacy and deal with the Prottietards appropriately.

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>>24081303
wtf he's back??

>>24081404
People are still alive in heaven in a spiritual manner.

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>>24081344
Cobes has been resurrected, he was the messiah all along, and that's whats up

>>24081373
What?
Lol what did I just read?

>>24081407
yes, i know that. i love how those who pray to the dead always being this up like its some kind of gottcha.

just pray to God alone, like the Bible says.

>>24081370
Kek
Which are those?

>>24081409
It's kind of true. Stalin did lift restrictions on the church (as a politically expedient move during war with Germany) and Stalin did destroy the communist party's left wing, the followers of Trotsky, ending more radical anti-family stuff, ending gay stuff, etc

>>24081411
See>>24081385

>>24081400
Agreed but Anglicanism itself still abides by the "lowercase o" orthodox Christianity. And when the British Empire conquered places, they still baptized people by the Great Commission. Which was my point.

>>24081401
My point was, what religion did the British bring with them? They brought Christianity to their colonies. Anglicanism sure but still lowercase o orthodox Christianity.

And why the gripe? Where's your evidence for Christianity painting everything by their own brush and calling it original? It is original. Our holidays are. There's no evidence to the contrary.

>>24081407
only jews go to heaven. the rest who stay try to build rocketships

>>24081410
Veneration is different from worship. There's the church militant (people on earth) and the church triumphant (people in heaven, angels god) all are part of the same church

>>24081382
What about the Son begotten and the Holy Spirit. You know you wouldn't even about the Father if not for the Son. So you're a Nontrinitarian heretic, basically don't even belief in Christ therefore the truth of the Bible? I also believe in God the God that has been revealed as three persons. Can't have true faith in God without the Church just isn't possible, the two are inseparable.

>>24081416
bro you are just going to keep talking in circles, he will keep insisting it is worship and you will keep insisting it is not, who cares? give up already

>>24081404
>invent practices

We didn't invent rock worship or grape juice communion. That was your group.

What did the churches do before the canonization of Scripture? How do you even defend its canonization if you don't believe that tradition is holy and effecacious?

Scripture teaches that tradition is holy. Most of St. Paul's teachings are also oral traditions rather than written ones.

>>24081379
you're not describing the doctrine properly a tall

https://www.oca.org/orthodoxy/the-orthodox-faith/doctrine-scripture/the-symbol-of-faith/son-of-god

>>24081416
>>24081418
ive not one time mentioned worship.

>>24081419
you like to claim scripture is important to you guys and yet you pray to dead people. show me that in there.

>>24081387
>Muh Anglicans
>Muh Luterans

Are you serious?

>>24081420
thank you for correcting me on that, I am not orthodox

>>24081413
I don't consider them big theological disagreements.
And I am unaware of Orthodox being against the Virgin Mary.

>>24081399
Thanks anon for supporting everything I said here >>24081372 with bibical quotations :)

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Imagine arguing about how your cult's interpretation of a book of Jewish fairy tales is actually the correct one, when your entire premise is to just believe without any evidence already.

>>24081412
Stalin was a Socialist and an anti Christian.

>>24081427
yes that is also true.

>>24081391
And who is God? What person is he as Scripture infers.

>>24081423
hey no problem. just wouldnt want to make them out to be like Arians or something.

>>24081429
Im not sure what you're asking exactly

>>24081421
The question becomes twofold for you. Do you believe that men can canonize Scripture despite not having a guide to canonize it by except tradition? And do you believe that even those who have died are alive in Christ?

St. Luke 20:37–38:
He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for all live to him.

As for scriptural witness to the prayers of the saints:

Job 33:23
If there shall be an angel speaking for him . . . He shall have mercy on him, and shall say: Deliver him, that he may not go down to corruption."

Tobit 12:12
When thou didst pray with tears… I [Archangel Raphael] offered thy prayer to the Lord.

Apocalypse 8:3-4
And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel.

>>24081392
Oh I see, you also are severely illiterate too. How sad you have my pity. Man there sure are alot of retarded anons on the board today. Almost as if some special ed school for illiterate retards was sent a link during computer class, how strange.

>>24081431
i think that the canon of Scripture was decreed by God and was merely recognized by men led by the Spirit.

And yes of course we do not cease to exist after the death of our mortal body. This has nothing to do with if you should be praying to the dead.

just pray to God like the Bible says.

>>24081404
>you're obviously free to invent whatever practices you like.
Said the Devil himself

>>24081433
Well of course it was decreed by God. Which is why every council leads with "it was pleasing to us and to the Holy Ghost". Councils are scripturally witnessed as to what should occur when disagreements about the faith arise which is where Holy Scripture comes from.

If we don't cease to exist and are alive in Christ, our prayers are not to the dead but to the living. And these living intercede to Christ on our behalf. The prayer of the righteous avails much. Who on earth is righteous? Would it not make more sense to pray to those perfected in faith and alive in Christ?

What would you tell to a Christian pre 4th century canonization of Scripture? The only prayer they know is what has been taught via Holy Tradition. St. Paul left the Thessalonians two small letters. Is only what he wrote valid then despite him living and teaching them the faith daily?

And in your own church: do you only follow traditions in service by what's in Holy Scripture? Grape juice communion certainly isn't there. Neither is rock band worship.

>>24081430
>Im not sure what you're asking exactly
>Doesn't know who God is. Can't even tell me what or who God is personally.
>Can't bother to even Chatgpt the shit for his own sake
So can you Dunn & Krueger tards just stop pretending you know remotely what you're talking about because when you do you end up sprouting illogical and theologically incoherent shit. Quite literally digging your own graves spiritually.

>>24081424
Terms like co redemptionix and things like her being born of a virgin are roman catholic only

>>24081436
>Dunn & Krueger

Lmfao, do they specialize in biblical bird law, Pseud?

>>24081304
I hope they do desu there's definitely been an effort to even recognition of previous councils :3! Though "true" integration would bee difficult if not very far into the future all is possible with God's help <3

>>24081435
Bless you anon. You have greater patience then me.

>>24081377
>Catholics are reading kike insanity called The Old Testament only (Torah)
Only subhuman serb hands could type something so retarded.

>>24081303
No and no.

>>24081435
<(^•^)>

>>24081433
Listen brother. I truly appreciate your intents here. Your dedication to Holy Scripture is fantastic. I envy it.

Would you be willing to attend a liturgy? You don't have to do anything you're uncomfortable with. Just go and attend a service. See what there is to see. Maybe ask to talk to the priest afterwards.

At worst, you'll leave with a new experience, some new information about our faith and probably a full stomach from coffee hour after church.

>>24081303
no, yes

>>24081438
>do they specialize in biblical bird law
Believe it or not, but there is actually a field and mode of study related to Scripture. Such a thing as theology and bibical hermeneutics. Like people actually thought about the Scripture ans how to understand and interpret it before you were born and existed, really crazy right, sobI know that concept is a bit hard to understand given your mental incompetence but just try to follow what I'm saying despite your neurological impediment.

>>24081327
the stats on Catholics are always fucked up because the majority of “Catholics” are completely non-practicing and non-believing, but cling to the label as an ethno-cultural tie. of course the church does also count them as Catholic, but in bad standing

>>24081417
We are all sons of our father God. Jesus said so himself, "through me", this me is the divine in all of us, jews call this ruach adonai. Jesus was saying to believe in yourself as Gods son.

>>24081422
>Are you serious?
Yes.

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>>24081303
>>24081446
Papists will Bgome, Amen!
it is Canon Law:
100% of disagreements between real Christians (id est Orthodox and Papists) are already settled by Ecumenical Canon Law, cf:
>Canons IV & VI of the 1st Ecumenical Council
>Canons II & III of the 2nd Ecumenical Council
>Canons VI & VII & VIII of the 3rd Ecumenical Council
>Canons I & V & IX & X & XII & XIX & XXV & XXVIII of the 4th Ecumenical Council
>Canons I & II & VI & VIII & XIII & XIX & XX & XXI & XXV & XXXII & XXXVI & LV & LXXXII & XC of the Quinisext Ecumenical Council
>Canons I & III & X & XI of the 7th Ecumenical Council
CATHOLIC CHURCH YES
CATHOLIC BISHOPS NO

>>24081435
>our prayers are not to the dead but to the living.
While this is profound and true, it doesn't really change that you should only pray to God and to Him as Jesus Christ is our only mediator and advocate.

>>24081434
indeed, but im not the one praying to dead people anon

>>24081435
>our prayers are not to the dead but to the living
they should be to God alone, but i know that your traditions are important to you. its a funny word game you play when you get onto this subject btw.

>What would you tell to a Christian pre 4th century canonization of Scripture?
he'd already have the God breathed scripture that was available in that place and time. there were a couple canon lists around long before a council recognized it.

>>24081436
i was just trying to understand where the asker was coming from anon. relax.

>>24081444
ive been to a bunch of Orthodox and Roman services in different countries over the years. stayed at Roman and Orthodox monasteries etc. not saying ive seen it all by any measure but perhaps more than average.

>>24081448
>We are all sons of our father God.
Nope. We can BECOME sons of God through faith in Christ though which is a ridiculously graceful offer when you think about it

>>24081436
>Dunn & Kreuger
It's Dunning-Kreuger. The irony of the correction being necessary is really amusing.

>>24081455
i thought it was Cunning Drooger

>>24081454
>Nope
Yup, its in the bible. Thats the "good news" Jesus brought with him, we are all sons of our father God in heaven. I love the divine within me, praise God for my connection to him through the holy ghost.

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>>24081452
prottie simp detected
this thread is for Virgin-venerators only

>>24081457
To all who did receive him, to those who believe in his name, he gave the right to become children of God

>>24081458
My brother in Christ, does the spirit tell you that you will be commended for acting like this?

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>>24081457
>I love the divine within me, praise God for my connection to him through the holy ghost

I feel the holy spirit in me but I feel damaged, I have seen so much evil in the world, partly my fault, watching all the War crime webms posted here. Ever see Fifth Element? I feel like the 5th element when she was watching a history of the world on the computer toward the end of the movie

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>>24081460
>does the spirit tell you that you will be commended for acting like this?
the Spirit has told me how much (You) hate the purity of our God's all-holy and ever-Virgin Mother
because you simp for roasties after years of cooming

>>24081450
lol im gonna save this

>>24081304
fpbp

>>24081462
Any special revelation you think you've received about me comes from the enemy, anon. You should really evaluate the repulsive nature of what you're saying and ask if you're really led by the Holy Spirit. I don't think you are.
If anything, you're showing the error of worshiping the virgin if this is what it leads to.

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>>24081303
No, fuck you, you're faggots.

Too many differences between us.
We require our priests to have a wife, we dont preach "turn the other cheek".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgirPJt_-bo

>>24081461
If your souls seeks it ouy and collects these images then that means you can deal with and resolve them in your head. You help the feedback loop by processing these images then thinking/praying on them with the correct emotion of they are bad or awful, so when another soul views them they can grab onto your ideas/thoughts about it and how it is wrong or bad. If you cant handle it then take a break, rest your own soul and consume good, positive sensory.

>>24081465
Not argument.

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>>24081308
no, you dont exist to us, 1054.

Fuck you, we needed help against the turks you said "no". Deus Vult, you will perish like the faggots you are.

>>24081468
Yes, it is.

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>>24081321
little faggot catholic protestant, cant comprehend there's a christian denomination that doesn't recognize jews.

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>>24081465
>the error of worshiping the virgin
see
that heresy right there is born out of your hatred of purity
making (You) an enemy of the faith of all Europe's forefathers
just like the Spirit told me

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>>24081466
Picrel is your brain on protestantism

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>>24081467
thanks bro, I feel the holy spirit in me swirling around, damaged but still there, it needs time to heal, but the new Jew War against the innocent has given it a hit again, it sucks being so powerless against ultimate evil, you know?

>>24081473
"why nobody goes to church anymore"

have christians ever united, or only divided?

>>24081473
>>24081475
with greater freedom comes the risk of wandering off into error. the good thing about that freedom is its not possible for a central authority to enforce those errors.

>>24081477
what are you saying faggot, cathocucks swear their allegiance to some faggot foreign pope.

>>24081303
Both are soon dead anyway. So uniting is fine, it doesn't matter in the long term.

>>24081479
Orthodoxy is on the rise in the US and I think Roman Catholicism is too

>>24081455
He didn't even get the law firm joke, it's pretty embarrassing. He just launched into more autistic Christian minutiae that no one actually cares about.
>>24081463
Yeah, you should probably keep a reference around for the next time you want to pretend to be an intellectual.

>>24081474
Hah you are not powerless if you love our father, that is your ego talking. This place in time seems bad relative to maybe 20 years ago, but why choose a selfish time frame? Would you feel better in the dark ages with the crown in charge? No running water? Or perhaps 50 years into the future? You are here right now and by keeping our father God in your heart and the most important thing, perform good works, ye will know him by his good works. So yea evil exist, do not get angry, mad or sad at evil, it is a part of the world we live in, so turn it around, flip it, deny it or if forced to destroy it. Forgive them father for they know not what they do.

>>24081472
Neither orthodox, nor Catholics view denial of Mary-worship as heretical so you are deceived, brother. Might want to figure out why that is.

>>24081304
This

>>24081326
No mutts arw cringe with their flavor of the month evangelical ortodox larp.
>>24081441
Serbs trully are mentally ill. Its like they exibit traits of jews and jeets. Protect izzat at all costs and stack lie upon lie to "win".

>>24081480
I can certainly hope desu alongside that great news there's a rise in church activity in younger peeps especially young men. '-' which used to bee the lifeblood of the churches

>>24081307
Each ortodox church is different. Its an etnoreligion with a dose of imperialism. Aka russian and greek churches in USA.

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>>24081483
>Neither orthodox, nor Catholics view denial of Mary-worship as heretical
that is literally called Nestorianism and it is literally Anathema, heretic

>>24081303
yes, all Christians need to unite (fuck the American evangelicans) get out all jews and mudslimes - rebuild a Christian nation.

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>>24081303
No, no. Pope never had the right to primacy over other patriarchs so some bullshit was invented. It could have been fixed centuries ago, multiple times in fact. Fourth Crusade irreparably damaged all efforts at unity, and the final chance for unification passed in 1453 after the Easter Roman Emperor submitted the church in hopes of getting help and got 200 archers in return for his submission.
As of today, Pope will never give up his primacy, no matter for illegitimate and neither Constantinople nor Moscow patriarchs would submit to him. This would be the biggest theological sticking point that can't be resolved. Rest could be ironed out or ignored as minor disagreement.
Now would Orthodox and Catholic worlds even be for unification? I can concretely tell you that the Orthodox wouldn't, or at least the biggest and most important ones wouldn't.

>>24081476
They're all pretty big on letting violent brown people endlessly flood white nations

>>24081303
Orthodox churches are too hostile for it to happen.

>>24081488
Nope, nestorianism is denying the theotokos. You can affirm theotokos and reserve worship only for God. Not mutually exclusive.

>>24081481
No no anon, let me fix that for ya, I think you meant >>24081430. He's the pseud and Dunn and Krueger fag you're referring to. No need to thank me.

>>24081493
In fact, this is the position held by the orthodox and catholic churches.

>>24081491
No no those people are called the Jews anon.

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>>24081495
>this is the position held by the orthodox and catholic churches.
(((You))) are much more of a shapeshifter kike than i expected
nonetheless, wrong again, and it was reaffirmed again in Constantinople even after Ephesus

>>24081488
You should be aware that hyperdulianism like you're involved in right now borders on idolatry and you can see that in the fruits of your spirit in this thread. You're in here calling fellow Christians heretics, putting your own soul at risk because your worship is misguided and you're reaping the fruits of it. Repent. Worship only God.

>>24081326
The Orthodox Church is autocephalous. Russians comprise the majority of Orthodox Christians. Uniting Greek Orthodox with Roman Catholicism doesn't do anything for actual Catholic Orthodox unity.

>>24081455
>Erm ackshually
Now it was nice of you to visit but it's really about time you go back reddit.

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>>24081498
>hyperdulianism
not even a real word
Luke 1:48 says all generations will bless the All-Holy Ever-Virgin Mother of God (Theotokos in Greek)

>>24081341
Catholicism above Orthodoxy?

Rome is the ORIGINAL schismatic. You complain about protesting, but you're church is literally the one that started it

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>>24081498
you only have to read through a few pages of something like The Glories of Mary to see how it is. Every time i refer to this, one of the most reprinted roman books of all time, romanist anons have never even heard of it. i find they never seem to know what they are actually defending.

>>24081501
i do call her blessed amongst women. what else can you say about the one chosen to be closest to Christ for His time on earth. what an unimaginable gift.

but i dont pray to her.

>>24081348
Not Jews, retard, HEBREWS.

THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

Jesus Never referred to the HEBREWS as being a religion serving Satan as he did of the Pharisees, and modern Judaism IS Phariseeism.

>>24081501
>hyperdulianism
>relating to philosophies or theories surrounding the concept of hyperdulia, a state of special or extreme veneration often applied to the Virgin Mary.
Words have meanings, crazy. I'll leave you with this. No, a person is not wrong to generate the virgin mother. You, however, should ask yourself if your devotion is to God or to His mother here on earth. Because if you're turning against His servants for not worshipping her, you've got the order of things wrong. I trust the Lord will iron out this matter in the end. Have a blessed day.

>>24081355
You're an idiot if you believe all Christians kowtow to the identity thieving Khazarians who larp as a tribe that was utterly wiped out in 73AD

>>24081501
I think you might wasting your time brother. This tard >>24081498 is hard of hearing and thinks his fake concernfagging makes you wrong and him right as if it's an valid argument. Some people will create all the excuses they have to in order to remain in their own prideful error. Not all men can be reasoned.

>>24081508
Shut the fuck up, Dunn & Kruger fag. You're just butthurt that the entire thread pounced on you for being a retard.

>>24081303
All the abrahamic religions need to synthesize.
All of Judaism, Christianity and Islam need to unify into one mega religion.

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>>24081503
>The Glories of Mary
that's just fanfic
the Little Compline to the Mother of God is much better:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvH2vs-kwhw

>>24081506
>Words have meanings, crazy
Imitation is truly the greatest form of flattery. But if you're gonna quote me atleast add a citation, they didn't teach you that in school? Can a nigga get some credit. >>24081372

>>24081362

The RUSSIANS weren't militant atheists, you tard. The Soviet Union was nothing less than a Khazarian Talmudist hijacking of the Russian government (to get revenge for Russia sacking the Khazarian capitol, Atil, 950 years earlier in 961 AD, in a war that the Khazarians themselves foolishly started).

The Soviet Union government was by, of, and for Talmudists
The tens of millions of citizens murdered by the secret police were all Christian. The Cheka, and NKVD who did the bulk of the executions without even an arrest warrant, let alone a trial, were "Jews" (Khazarians).

>>24081372
Show us in the Lord's Prayer where Jesus instructed us to pray to his mother.

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>>529862434
>You're just butthurt that the entire thread pounced on you for being a retard
Pedophiles pounce on kids but that doesn't make them right. Such a thing as a argumentum ad populum fallacy pal. The truth has always been a unpopular position my friend especially in this Post-Truth Society, perhaps you do well to remember that.

>>24081305
>>24081309
>>24081344
>>24081406
>>24081408
TMDWU he is the resurrection and the life.
I'm glad its not just me who thought it was cobes

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>>24081506
>hyperdulianism
still not a real word
hilarious how (((You))) automatically take the Nestorian position the instant u lrn2nestorianism
sry nestorius
Church Tradition is Holy picrel

>>24081514
Where in the Gospel did Jesus say you can't be a furry, where also did he say you can't have a diaper fetish? Oh he didn't well guess that's permissible. Well following your logic Polycarp of Smyrna, Ignatius of Antioch and Clement of Rome are not recorded in the Gospel so guess they really never existed and are unbiblical. The Neronian Persecution is recorded either so guess that never happened either because while it's part of Church History it's not recorded in the Gospels.

>>24081511
and ye, when ye pray....say this
Our Father, Who art in Heaven, Hallowed be thy Name.......

>>24081627
this is where you completely miss the point and start scrabbling for another excuse why its ok to pray to another besides God, a practice COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY UNKNOWN IN THE BIBLE.

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>>24082282
>COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY UNKNOWN IN THE BIBLE.
where is sola scriptura in the Bible?

>>24082332
where is praying to another besides God anywhere at all? not a single person of God ever did that ever. how would you know if you'd been taught an evil doctrine unless you had the standard of the Bible? How could you ever test to see if your church had gone astray?

>>24082347
Timothy 1 says to hold on to tradition. Also the Bible was established like 300 years after the church started. So what did they do before the bible

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>>24082347
>where is praying to another besides God anywhere at all?
James 5:14
recalling of course that 'prayer' is translated from both εὐχή as well as προσευχή
where is your sola scriptura?

>>24082350
then you can invent anything you want and this is what has happened. if you cant be governed by the scripture then you've no defense against error whatsoever have you.
>Bible was established like 300 years after the church started
no, a council said something. there are canon lists from before that time because believers had been led to recognize the Word of God already.

Look, i get it - you want to honor your church tradition and thats a good thing. But you have to make sure its teaching the truth. how do you do that? how would you be able to check to see if anything wrong had crept in over the years?

>>24082371
>James 5:14
seriously? its just saying to have elders pray over a sick person.....to God, that the person might be healed. where is your praying to Mary and other dead humans in there?

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>>24082392
>its just saying to have elders pray
yea that's what i thought
not all high and mighty with that "no mediator but Jesus" garble anymore i see
still no sola scriptura in the bible

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>>24082387
>you have to make sure its teaching the truth.
you mean with the very same book that came out of my Church Tradition?

>>24082839
right, so nothing about praying to anyone else but God, im glad we got that sorted out

>>24082878
no, you have it wrong. the church didn't decree Scripture. Scripture was decided already and the church (the believers) just said "yes' .

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>>24083047
>right, so explicitly praying to the saints to pray to God on your behalf
ftfy heretic
>no, you have it wrong. the church didn't decree Scripture. Scripture was decided already and the church (the believers) just said "yes' .
the ONLY (one and only) Scripture that was decided already was the Septuagint Old Testament
St Clement of Rome published the FIRST EVER Canonical List for the New Testament in his Apostolic Constitutions
this is why protties will not exist in another 10 years, because (You) are all utterly divorced from Church History and Apostolic Tradition, and it is demonstrated in how clearly the Holy Spirit guides NONE of (You) (except those protestants called to become Christians through Orthodoxy picrel)

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was it moved so as to ensure no record of the thread exists on 4plebs
because if so that is giga based

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>>24084177
>was it moved so as to ensure no record of the thread exists on 4plebs
it was moved like every other RC/EO thread because just like every other time brahmanic hinjoo D&C proves completely inneffective

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>>24081303
They're both off base.

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>>24084290
sure thing 'greek' anon

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>>24084403
>punjab seething
i love how much (You) hate getting caught red handed γυφτόπουστο

>>24084074
>>right, so explicitly praying to the saints to pray to God on your behalf
>ftfy heretic
living people. not one single hint of praying to those that have died. you have to insert that because its not there at all. you prefer your traditions over Biblical truth.
>canon
the thing is that you're looking at it the wrong way. you think that some authority declared what everyone should consider as being Scripture and that was that. in reality the various books and letters that would eventually be collected into the NT had been copied and handed around the churches since they were first produced and the church as a whole was led to accept them as true by the Holy Spirit, Who was sent to guide them into all truth.

also never heard of St Clement publishing a canon list, though he did refer to many of the books in his epistles. i think you're confused on who authored the Apostolic Constitutions

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>>24084838
>living people
saints do not die, but live eternally in Christ
that is the Gospel anon
>the thing is that you're looking at it the wrong way.
yes the protty knows better even than all his own ancestors before him

>>24084887
>saints do not die, but live eternally in Christ
>that is the Gospel anon
the NT clearly still talks about people that die, so you stop trying to change the definitions to suit your unbiblical tradition. no one in the Bible asks dead people anything. communication with the dead is not allowed.
>yes the protty knows better even than all his own ancestors before him
no, i thinks its you who doesn't know what he's talking about at all.

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>>24084916
>the NT clearly still talks about people that die
yeah well none of those are saints
Christ himself told his disciples present that many of them would never taste of death
that is what sainthood means and it's literal proof that protties don't go to heaven since they have no saints

>>24085128
just pray to God lone like the Bible tells you. stop communicating with those that have died.

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>>24085190
>those that have died.
no-one i pray to has died
and they answer my prayers too and are clearly not demonic
none of them are protties either
becaue heretics don't go to heaven

>>24085214
you'll say anything to try justifying your unbiblical practices. you're the kind of person Christ was talking about when you transgress against God for the sake of your traditions. repent

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>>24085227
>you'll say anything
absolutely not
everything i say is dogma i learned through catechesis repeated many times by many saints for the last 2000 years
(You) are the only one here just making up whatever Scripture interpretation suits (You)

>>24085839
>asking church elders to pray for you means you can communicate with the dead
just pray to God like everyone else in the Bible did.

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>>24085856
>the dead
saints are not dead
they aren't HELLBOUND like heretic protties who don't fast or venerate the Virgin or even commune the Very Body and Blood of Christ (all of which are commanded in Scripture)

>>24086005
but they are no longer in the body. they have departed and gone to be with the Lord. thats what physical death means for Christians, and there is not a single example of anyone in the Bible praying to dead people.

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>>24086019
>but they are no longer in the body.
yes
>they have departed and gone to be with the Lord.
so (You) deny that God is ever-present. Anathema.
1 Corinthians 15:18 says that the saints do not die (and many saints have incorrupt relics lasting to this day) but instead "sleep in the Christ"
>thats what physical death means for Christians
claiming death is the fate of Christians is exactly the opposite of the Gospel. Anathema.

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>1 Corinthians 15:18 says that the saints do not die (and many saints have incorrupt relics lasting to this day) but instead "sleep in the Christ"