>>21951780
whiskey highball time

I love a good highball

About to bust into a bottle of JP Wiser's Deluxe.

They keep raising the price of good whiskey around me it’s dumb

>try basic bourbon
>yup tastes like bourbon
>try a hyped popular bourbon
>mkay, tastes like bourbon
>no, you need to get this uber expensive enthusiast bourbon
>just tastes like fucking bourbon
Aside from a cask strength makers mark I am solely scotch from here on out. For a fraction of the price of hyped bourbon I have a much wider array of flavor profiles. Bourbon is cringe over-hyped and largely too expensive, and if I am being perfectly honest, gay

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>>21951780
eheheheh
knob

>>21952327
The fuck kind of scotch are you drinking that's cheaper than bourbon?

>>21952327
Bourbon is better on the cheap end , scotch on the expensive end

>>21952327
I have had that exact same experience except with whisky, it's all the same shit, either smoked or not.
Although I've been enjoying a glass of Irish lately

For me it's Driftless Glen

>>21951780
scotch>bourbon

>>21952327
lol dont drink bourbon

>>21952351
bro this is exactly the learning curve.
well done.

I tried new riff sib bourbon last night. It was very good. New riff might be the best distillery going right now.

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>>21952452
New Riff is really hitting their stride. I tried the 8 and 10 and they were great. I drank this last week, pretty good stuff for a lower proof wheated.

>>21952351
This. Posts like >>21952327 are like the equivalent of /v/ console wars.

>>21952477
I just want the price of everything to come down

>>21952628
2 more weeks

I was in my regular store today and overheard some other customer asking about allocations and the wagie rambled off a pretty long list of stuff they have in the back. I never bothered to ask before so was pretty surprised to hear. I ended up getting a bottle of OF 1924 for $120 (msrp). I had been debating if I'd ever buy this bottle given the opportunity since $120 is pretty steep for a 100 proof bourbon, but decided to take the gamble.

Also today I picked up a Middle West Ported Pumpernickel Rye and a single barrel from a fairly obscure local distiller (I'm most excited to try this one but my expectations are low).

>>21951780
I like godfathers.

>>21952334
this is the undeniable truth
we are in the kindling phase before
TOTAL
RYE
SUPREMACY

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>>21953295
If you want a potentially interesting rye, walleye run fisherman's batch was just released the other day on their website. It's $130 shipped though so a gamble with no reviews. They also periodically release regular single barrels on their website, so worth keeping an eye on if you can stomach the shipping. Though the shipping is worth it if they don't distribute to your area.

https://shopping.newhollandbrew.com/products/walleye-run-whiskey-very-small-batch-2026-1-fishermans-batch

>>21951780
Bourbon is made of corn you need scotch whiskey and not the stuff the yanks make.

>>21953388
You need age >12y or you're just a chump.

>>21954046
Actually I need stuff made from corn.

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>>21953295
Rye is certainly my favorite type of whiskey but I also enjoy higher rye bourbons as well. Scotch is not my preference.

I'm tired of europoors shitting on corn. We have more than just GMO corn from Monsanto you know...

All whisky is good you drink it straight up or with a dash of water. It also makes a nice injectable if you are out of heroin

im apparently allergic to spirits which sucks cause i really like rum. vodka's ok.

the 'scotch is more varied' argument is actually a tell of someone being a beginner. scotch has clear categorical differences. it's daunting as a novice. american whiskey has more independent variables affecting flavor

Having some old fashioned cocktails tonight
I used to wonder why there's so many barely legal ryes, but I think I get it now. It's just enough spice to elevate an old fashioned without being a dill bomb. We love having whiskey neat here on the internet where we practice seriousness and purism, but in the real world it's all about cocktails

>>21951884
>>21951909
based

The key to the highball is preserving the carbonation. It's why the pros barely stir it at the end. Just enough to distribute the whisk(e)y without sacrificing the precious bubbles

I love an elevated Jack and coke. Old No. 7, craft ice, Mexican coke, citrus, put together with intention, enjoyed responsibly. That's smooth sippin'

>>21955114
I feel like I prefer high rye bourbons to Kentucky rye. I feel like barely legal ryes are the worst of both worlds.

>>21955158
I've never been into them (barely legal ryes) myself. I tried Rittenhouse when I was just beginning getting into all of it, and it was fine but I never thought to buy another bottle. I've had a bottle of Sazerac open for about 6 years now and a Wild Turkey 101 Rye that I always forget that's on my shelf. But tonight, making some old fashioneds, the wt101 rye and Sazerac are the best ones yet. I'm convinced that this is why they exist.

>>21955114
>We love having whiskey neat here on the internet where we practice seriousness and purism, but in the real world it's all about cocktails
I drink cocktails regularly. The "drinking whiskey neat makes me hard" shit is one of the gayest things about the whiskey "fandom" (I use that term here because that's what it behaves like).

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:)

>>21956384
you really put black olives in your old fashioned?

>>21956476
i like mine dirty

>>21955069
>american whiskey has more independent variables affecting flavor
such as? inb4 mashbill

>>21955448
I like cocktails nut I genuinely prefer my whiskey neat. Not to mention I can simply pour it out of a bottle instead of having to constantly juice citrus fruits

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>YOU NEED LE HECKIN QUIRKY CHUNGUS ORANGE ZEST TWIST AND $30 CHERRIES IN YOUR OLD FASHIONED THAT YOU'RE DRINKING ALONE AT YOUR DESK IN YOUR UNDERWEAR TO GET LE EBIN REDDIT UPDOOTS EVEN THOUGH THEY ADD NOTHING SIGNIFICANT TO THE DRINK

>>21955114
>why there's so many barely legal ryes
the real reason is because rye mash is hard to deal with because of its high gum content clogging lautering
additionally the bourbon market is huge and full of stubborn retards so they make “rye” whiskies that aren’t too scary for bourbonites
but finally yes it’s also a good cocktail middle ground since a lot of recipes
will say “use rye or bourbon” interchangeably

>>21956574
>$30 CHERRIES
>EVEN THOUGH THEY ADD NOTHING SIGNIFICANT
luxardo cherries are fucking kino have you never eaten one or something? in fact I’d say they’re probably my main incentive to ever make a cocktail

>>21956574
If you express an orange peel and throw it in, it absolutely does add something to the cocktail.

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friend let me try this at Christmas. got a 1.75L

>>21956571
>Not to mention I can simply pour it out of a bottle instead of having to constantly juice citrus fruits
That's a fair complaint. I'd drink whiskey sours more often if I didn't have so much to clean up afterwards. But an old fashioned only needs some orange peel and you can just build it in the glass.

>>21957021
I can see the appeal of an old fashioned and drink them from time to time but usually they detract from the overall experience of drinking whiskey. I usually only get them when I’m out with mixed company so I don’t look like a complete alchie eating at nice restaurant.

>>21957025
I view something like an old fashioned as part of the experience of drinking whiskey, rather than being something separate from it. Then again I don't think whiskey is all that special to begin with.

Which blended whisky tastes most like laphroaig?

>>21956574
everything ok?

>>21957749
A bottle of Laphroaig with a single drop of Ardbeg blended into it.

today i bought jack daniels bonded ($25) and knob creek 12 year ($70)

the JD is already half gone. probably won't open the knob creek for a while but i'm hyped for it. was eyeing it at my local store but it was marked up. ended up finding it at a walgreens

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getting to the bottom of this one and it's been great. definitely a coffee drink vibe, especially with the old fashioned i just made with it

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>>21956574
While I think luxardo cherries are delicious, in nearly every cocktail I've tried them with (especially manhattans) their sweetness kinda blows out the cocktail they're served with. On the other hand, even if you don't give a shit about aesthetics citrus oils and stuff like that are absolutely a requirement for a lot of cocktails. Instead of using fresh citrus every time though, what I do is I have spray bottles of essential oils diluted in a solution of everclear and glycerin. Way more convenient and consistent, and I'm decently confident there's no difference in the final product.

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Question for the distillation nerds; My understanding of the distillation process goes something like this
Take wash > Distill however many times until you get to more or less the highest proof you can with your distillation method > Dilute a bit > age (which also decreases proof due to evaporation) > dilute the rest of the way down to your desired bottling proof
What's the purpose of the pre-aging dilution step? Is that actually as universal as I think it is? Also, where does blending fit into these steps?

As a Costco chad I use the 20 dollar 2.2 lb amarena fabbri cherries which basically taste the same as luxardo. Can't imagine paying 30 bucks for a tiny little jar.

>>21958115
>(especially manhattans) their sweetness kinda blows out the cocktail
the sweet vermouth already does that
>>21958122
>highest proof you can
no you stop before it becomes vodka. pot stills usually 1-3x. there are limits to how high a proof it can come off the still and be classified as bourbon, armagnac, wtc
>age (which also decreases proof due to evaporation)
depends on relative humidity. water evaporates slower in humid environments so proof goes down but in dry climates it can outpace the ethanol and increase proof
>purpose of the pre-aging dilution step?
water and ethanol have different affinities for solvation of various compounds so if you lean too much into one or the other you get excess / deficit of tannins or other flavors extracted from the wood
>Is that actually as universal as I think it is?
yes, again often a legal requirement as is the case with bourbon (can enter cask no higher than 125 proof)
>where does blending fit into these steps
most always post-aging and before dilution for bottling

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Wow just was out on the hunt for some crushable juice from everyone’s favorite distillery and was able to score these bad boys after waiting in line for a couple hours. Was well worth it though can’t wait to sip on this fine nectar of the gods.

holy potato

>>21958532
EH is shelf turding in my area now. It's crazy, all these former allocate bourbons are just laying around. Cases of Eagle Rare, Stag and Stag Jr...tons of the Weller lineup. It's rough out there right now for the bourbon industry.

>>21952327
drink rye, gayboi, that's where all the cool stuff is happening in american whiskey
but yeah most bourbon is in saccharine cherries and caramel territory with few exceptions
the only radically different ones are that way from being in oak too long or from removing rye

>>21957749
Compass Box Peat Monster

i like knob creek and elijah craig and i like drinking it on the rocks

Does scotch have to use 100 percent malted barley? Adding some rye to the mix would make scotch a lot better I think.

>>21959303
For a single malt yes, otherwise a distillery can make a single grain and use whatever they want- bruichladdich makes a 55/45 rye/barley and johnny walker also has a blended rye. Of course single pot irish uses a portion of unmalted barley but I’m not aware of any scotches that do so (I’m sure it exists in a single grain somewhere)

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>>21957749
I like Spice King, personally. Alternatively Ardbeg because it used to be owned by Laphroiag

>>21955069
I agree. Obviously peated islay will taste different than a typical speyside with sherry cask maturation. Pretending there isn’t nuance within individual categories is a beginner move. Laphroaig is distinct from Ardbeg. Even among more similar categories the basic basic mass produced single malts are different. Glenlivet tastes different than Glenfiddich. Jim Beam distillate tastes different than Wild Turkey, BT, makers mark, the brown foreman group of distilleries, MGP. Etc.

Hell, I don’t actually think it’s much of an argument to say wild turkey and Buffalo trace taste more distinct than the previously mentioned glenlivet and glenfiddich. But you’re splitting hairs at this point the general point is pretending distillery characteristic within an individual whiskey category doesn’t exist is just wrong. It’s beyond just mashbill.

>>21958122
Not an actual distill fag but high proof distillation is a cost saving method, it’s not done for actual quality. Also proof can increase over time if there is heat involved in the climate

>>21959303
A drop or two of peated scotch can taste amazing in rye, sometimes it turns it into pure asphalt though

>>21955069
>scotch has clear categorical differences.
Accurate.
>american whiskey has more independent variables affecting flavor
Accurate, but absolutely moving the goalposts if you're discussing the "Scotch is more varied than bourbon" argument.
>scotch is more varied than bourbon
Accurate.

>>21952331
NTA but for awhile Scotch on average was cheaper than Bourbon. To my surprise when I visted Costco the other day Bourbons were in a affordable 20 to 40 range for actually good stuff. I still prefer scotch and Irish Whisky and Bourbon is my least favorite as it tends to always be mainly sweet and burn.

>>21951780
shawty made my knob creak

>>21960081
Yeah I'd love to get into Scotch to see what I'm apparently missing, but if it's between Wild Turkey 101 and Dewar's White Label at the same price point, it's pretty much a no-brainer that I'm going to go with the bourbon. Irish at ~30 USD is enjoyable already, but when you can't get "decent" Scotch for less than 45, I can't convince myself that it wouldn't be a waste of money.

>>21960081
>scotch and Irish Whisky
The term you're looking for is malt whiskey.

Hunter S Thompson bros: Chivas or Wild Turkey?

>>21960435
Just wait for something nice to go on sale
I got a bottle of balvine 14 for $39 recently and yeah scotch isn’t my favorite but it’s nice to change things up and have it sometimes
Bourbon is better flavor for cheaper

>>21960469
Why not both? If not I would have to say WT

>>21960435
Wt101 is too insane of a value. I’m mostly a rye guy but I always have a handle wt101 at home. It’s impossible to beat with handles going for less than 40. It’s not very complex or anything but when you want to have a few drinks after work it’s great.

>>21960435
WT and Four Roses are my choices for refilling my community decanter. I love both of them but 4R is a more common choice since my costco typically carries the 2.75L of it more than WT.

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Good deal here if you don't mind ordering. They only have 2 in stock atm.

>>21960714
I guess I could link it. Their shipping is $20. I've ordered from them before and it was all good.

https://www.hiproof.com/products/redbreast-irish-whiskey-px-edition-92proof

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Anyone have pics of themselves they'd like to share? This is me

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For any anons who live in Kentucky, Nebraska, New Hampshire, North Dakota, or Washington D.C., Old Forester has 1924 and 117 Series available for shipping online. Could be worth the additional shipping cost (probably not).

https://shop.oldforester.com/shop-all/spirits/

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>>21951780
gonna crack this tonight with the bois

LeFrog 10 costs €55, has the world gone mad? I remember it costing 30-36 max.

>>21960788
let's see that pour

>>21960974
yes

>>21960439
which is most always scotch or irish. anyone here tried american single malts? so far i’ve had defiant out of blue ridge distilling, I think woodford’s?, stranahan’s, bulleit, jim beam’s, and some local distilleries. I didn’t think any of them were worth writing home about especially at the markup for being “niche” releases compared to their respective bourbons but I remember liking beam’s the most

>>21961049
oh yeah and also balcones which as always was very balconesy

>>21960974
Where I live in the US it's been $60 minimum for years.

>>21961196
Can second. Never seen Laphroig below 60 and I live in Missouri with some rock bottom liquor prices

>>21961219
>>21961196
I regularly find it for $55. not much better but still. Chicago Area btw

Why did whiskey retain classy, reserved branding and bottle designs while beer turned into cartoony ridiculous nonsense with craft beer designs?

>>21961820
You answered your own question.
Whiskey is classy, beer is gross slop made by frat bros.

I finally tried to new riff balboa. It’s great wish I bought two bottles when I saw it. Any rye bros out there you should put this on your list of things to look for. New Riff has impressed me with everything I’ve tried. The next on my list to find is the malted rye.

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Interesting drop just now from hi proof. Only 3 bottles available

https://www.hiproof.com/products/larceny-barrel-proof-batch-c924-750ml

>>21961980
Actually nevermind lots of places have this particular batch, I thought it was more of a rarity by now. Please ignore.

>>21961919
Good to hear the you finally tried the balboa anon. I'm looking forward to cracking mine open soon. The malted rye is great, and same with the sherry finish malted rye.

>>21961196
I saw it go for $30 like two years ago in AZ but otherwise it’s been $50ish in most other states. $70 in my flyover

>>21962039
Sherry casked scotch? based
Sherry casked rye? based
Sherry casked bourbon? based
Sherry itself? based
blessed wine

Like the groundhog or the bluebird, finding the first fruit fly of the year floating in my whisky is a sign that spring is here

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>>21951780
Got a 200 mL of Seagrams VO (I know, it was cheap which is what I desired though I would've preferred Evan Williams) and getting crossed tonight, hit the world's slowest edibles an hour or so ago. Would've drank more earlier but there's still a touch of klonopin (I've fucked up bad with this and likka) and tons of stimulants in my system from today's Tweak N Clean

I tried rum for the first time today it was a Myers single barrel that was finished in a sazerac rye cask. It was not what I was expecting, it wasn’t very sweet in fact it was less sweet than a lot of bourbons. It had a tropical fruit flavor with a scotch like sour finish. It was ok but if that’s what rum is all about I will stick to rye.

>>21963396
If you want a sweeter rum, try Goslings. It's very good

>>21963337
>would've preferred Evan Williams
Evan Williams mogs all other bottom shelf bourbon

>>21961820
Whiskey is closer to its roots and marketed as traditional and retro, while modern craft beer went crazy with experimental hops and weird additives, so the labels follow suit

>>21960081
I feel like the online discourse on prices is very US-centric. Here in EU blended scotch is usually cheaper than bourbon. You can definitely buy Grant's or whatever for cheaper than Jim Beam. Same goes for Irish, Tullamore Dew and Bushmills are very cheap here, probably better value than the cheapest bourbons.

why do people crap on seagrams when it is cheap and pallatable

>>21963981
>I feel like the online discourse on prices is very US-centric.
That makes sense, I think. With the popularity of bourbon here you get a lot of discussion about price especially given how much it can vary with higher-end bottles. And you have the same issue with scotch because the prices are higher due to overseas shipping and bottles are often price-gouged on top of that. I don't think American whiskies are as popular in Europe, are they? So that wouldn't generate as much discussion, and your scotch/Irish prices are where they would normally be. And of course most of this discussion is taking place on American websites to begin with.

>>21963991
>pallatable
ESL retard.

>>21963997
>I don't think American whiskies are as popular in Europe, are they?
the big names like Jack and Jim are very popular with normies, but aside from that scotch is more popular here for sure. lots of people drinking scotch single malts and not that many expensive bourbons.
we also have an alcohol tax here, which makes the higher proof bourbons like WT101 more expensive comparedto what it costs in US. you can get good blended scotch for that price or cheaper, like Johnnie Walker Black Label or Monkey Shoulder and even some decent single malts

>>21964018
Where I live in the US, 1.75L of WT101 is $40 and 1.75L of JW Black is $65+.

>>21964022
>and 1.75L of JW Black is $65+.
I should mention this is only in some stores. In most places it's like $80.

>>21964016
no just an illiterate zoomer. but fuck you too buddy.

>>21964024
Here in EU they are similar in price but JW Black is much more available and can generally be found a bit cheaper as a result

>>21964035
Jw black could be free and I wouldn’t drink it. Wild turkey on the other than is sweet mana from heaven in comparison.

>>21964048
Cheapest drinkable bourbon here is Evan Williams btw, but it's only available for cheap in Lidl

>>21964117
I’m not a big Evan Williams fan. I actually like wild turkey 101 and would drink it even if it was more expensive. Being so cheap is just a bonus I get handles for 38 dollars.

>>21960435
Coming from bourbon into scotch I always recommend classic laddie from bruichladdich, should be 55-65 around that area. Unlike a lot of its comparable competitors it’s 100 proof instead of 80 or 92. It did use to be 45 and I always stocked it, but alas. That’s the problem with scotch in the states, it does tend to not quite be price efficient

>>21964654
I'd really argue a classic laddie is great for getting someone into scotch if they already like whisky. Otherwise your best shot is a Macallan 12 its arguably the least offensive and easy to find scotch to introduce a non whisky drinker too.

Lent is over and I can allow myself to drink again so after starting off with a small pour of Haystack Needle bourbon to recalibrate my palate, I decided to open up a Dickel 15 single barrel that I got from HiProof. This one is actually 18 years 7 months and I heard they do good picks so for $50 it was a fun gamble. Also this one is ~100 proof, though I've seen them as low as 80 proof.

It's an oak bomb for first and foremost, with a hint of vanilla and a crazy long finish with lingering cherries and chocolate. The flintstones vitamin flavor is there and I like it, it adds an interesting complement to the bitterness of the oak. I get some sharpie on the nose unfortunately. The mouthfeel is pretty good with some creaminess I think? It's fairly sweet with a hint of rye spice that almost completely blends in with the oak and vitamin notes. So while the oak initially hits you with a blast of bitterness, it settles into something that is fairly complex and enjoyable. 6/10

Have any of you ever just randomly become more sensitive to alcohol? In the last week or so, I've sit down for a pour only to find the burn to be a little overwhelming. I've never had this issue before. And it's not with anything high or overproof. Just your typical 90-100 range.

Found a 7 year Fitz at my local jewel for $55. Did I do good?

My local store had Blue Note Special Reserve Cask Finished for $150. Wasn't ready to drop the money and when I came back the next day it was gone.
Costco had Knob Creek 12 though, so I got that at least.

>>21965121
you may be dehydrated or under the weather

>>21965102
After lingering on it some more this morning, I think my rating for the Dickel was high. It's more like a 4/10, as most would probably consider it over-oaked. So for $50 there are far better values. But I like it and maybe it's worth $50 for the novelty of old oaky whiskey. Also because I'm financially irresponsible lately I have the Seelbachs 17 year on the way so it will be interesting to compare with.

>>21965121
i had 10+ drinks today and im not even close to beIng fully drunk. this shit is too fucking expensive to be fun anymore

>>21966069
Alcoholism sneaks up on you take a break if you can

>>21965796
you dont know how it'll change the longer its open. old stuff can take a while to start to open up.

>>21965785
I drink a shit ton of water, daily. (kidney stone issues) and I feel totally fine. It's so strange.

>>21966069
Not relevant to my comment, but I'm sorry to hear that.

>>21965717
Kc 12 is better than blue note anyway anon I wouldn’t worry about it.

>>21966261
That Blue Note looked similar to a cigar blend, which I tend to enjoy but don't see too often on the shelf.
Also recently got a Russels Reserve barrel pick from Camp Nelson. Local store started doing a lot more picks, so if this one is good I'll have to check out some of the others they have.

>>21965709
that's MSRP if not a little under, so at least you didn't overpay but it's like a 6.5/10

>>21967428
I've never had it and I like HH so I figured might as well.

How is old overholt

>>21967821
old overrated

>>21965121
lol bro get a 80 proof and take a night off

>>21967821
114 is good

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The lottery opens up in a few days

Pool 1 of 2

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>>21968555
Pool 2 of 2

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And not that anyone cares, but here is the lottery pool for local restaurants/bars to participate in.

>>21968555
>Weller Millennium
This is 1k cheaper at my grocery store and its been sitting on the shelf for at least several months.
your lottery is gay

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>>21968633
It's a pretty expensive area, so i'm sure they'll do fine.

Are those houses also marked up 15%?

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>>21968646
More than that

here are some land prices, 0.8-0.9 acre lots

Still needs ~$100k in site prep before you can build on it. Though it does have access to public sewer and water.


But needless to say, no one who has bought a house here in the last 20 years is particularly poor.

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>>21951780

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>Day 2 on a work trip
WHAT A LIFE

>>21968654
I'm so pissed that I missed out on buying the latest cask strength release at retail price.

>>21968555
>>21968556
>>21968558
State?

>>21969030
kek

>>21969580
Maryland

>>21969030
relocated for work, drinking Tullamore Dew in a bare unfurnished apartment

Why does everyone on plebbit only drink buffalo trace products? Are they tastelets or am I missing something?

>>21970285
It's expensive so you can get updoots when you post a carefully arranged picture of the bottle next to your Glencairn® glass with a bunch of tasting notes you made up

>>21956574
Some people are willing to put in effort and you're not. Enjoy your premixed Jack and Coke

Sad that I missed Jack Daniels 14 drop in my area. Total wine employees lied to my face about availability

>>21971880
I probably wouldnt even trust the manager, much less a clerk.

>>21971880
Jack Daniel’s is becoming almost as overrated as Buffalo disgrace.

>>21951780
I can't believe Old Grand-Dad 114 7 year Single Barrel is real.

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I can't stop drinking
I made it 3 days and drinking again rn

>>21971880
>Jack Daniels
nothing special about this brand

>>21959991
Are you actually retarded?

>>21969148
>I'm so pissed that I missed out on buying the latest cask strength release at retail price
It's so damn good, and worth the effort to track down a bottle if you can

I must track down the latest expensive bourbon. It will be so much different and better than other less expensive bourbon (it won't). Take my money, dear Indian liquor store owner.

>>21972645
Son you gotta get a handle on your vices or they’ll eat you alive

>>21973047
heard its mid and only slightly better than a good batch of the 10 at nearly 2x the price.

Wt101 is better than everything Jack Daniel’s makes regardless of price.

>>21973074
Mad cuz retarded, also the good sirs have pretty good taste in whiskey shockingly, for now atleast

Well, it happened. I've been into whiskey for about 2 years. My friends and I talk all the time online, but only meet up once in a blue moon because we all live states away. Finally got together and I brought some bottles to share. It was a disaster. Some didn't even want to try anything. Others thought it was all gross, or just needed to be a shot. Others asked for coke. I tried to give them tasting notes and they pretty much just told me "It burns and tastes like wood."

I tried, I guess. I'll just keep this little hobby to myself.

>>21974776
pearls before swine. I've been in the same situation a few times(family and friends as well). they're probably the types who cant sip properly and need to chase away the icky alcohol flavor with soda. on the opposite end of the spectrum, your contribution would still be no good because it's all disingenuous faggots and shills. only pain here.

>>21974776
Poor fools thought you were bringing booze. What bottles did you waste on them?

>>21974776
Tasting notes are gay

>>21974786
Yeah, I guess I was hoping they'd be different. Oh, well. I'm not that broken up about it.
>>21974793
Nothing crazy. I brought a few different things. Basic Buffalo Trace, OF1920, a JD Single Barrel, Barrel Proof, Penelope Toasted, and a Michter's Rye. I had a master play to start with the BT and move through the others, but it fell through very quickly. Not much wasting, they barely touched the bottles.
>>21974805
k

>>21974831
Reddit coded selection of bottles. If you offered me buffalo disgrace I’d tell you it was nasty too.

>>21966069
i was 100 percent shitfaced when i wrote this, i dont know how i thought i was sober

>>21974831
I would've went with WT101, BT, and some bottled-in-bond whiskeys.

>>21974776
I don't bother trying to introduce my whiskey interest to my friends. First, because yeah they'd end up doing shots of it. And second, with whiskey my limit is like 2 drinks because I'm sensitive to the congeners. So at least with beer I can drink more before I start feeling like shit.

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Remedy just listed this, posting in case any anons are interested. It's a 15 year "buffturkey" finished in tokaji casks that has received great reviews. I've been tempted to buy every time I see this but I have too much whiskey already. But $150 total seems like a good price for it.

https://www.remedyliquor.com/products/ampersand-bourbon-opimus-finished-in-tokaji-casks-kentucky-15yr-750ml

>>21970285
It's sweet and easy to drink

>>21975299
What’s it like being gay and does your mom know?

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>>21976173
You're a tough guy saying things like that on the internet, but this is me. You might want to think twice about who you trash talk bud.

>>21975545
Have you tried this, Is it any good? Never heard of this or the Nevada distillery doing the bottling on this release. A little risky but it seems tempting is it good?

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For me it's Palmolive rum.

>>21976538
Palmolive?

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>>21976538
I drank some palm olive concoction that was fermented in a jerry can when I was working in Africa it tasted like shit.

>>21974831
Not saying this would have made a difference, but your little tasting party would have been far more fun if it involved more than five different slight variations on the flavor of corn and charred oak plus a single rye.

>>21977367
What do you suggest?

>>21977367
And a Kentucky rye at that

Cutty Sark any good?

>>21977676
heard good things about the Prohibition Edition but at this point its been off the market for a few years I think

today after wørk, i spent four hours talking with a stranger about animals that have fun maws
this post was not sponsored by Lagavulin

>>21976249
is this a real post?
do you really think think shit is cool? do you break check people when driving and pump your ultra mega brights?

>>21977676
Absolutely awful on its own. Its meant to taste like nothing and be used in drinks. But I'd rather just use vodka instead

>>21977375
I would suggest broadening your horizons as a whisk(e)y drinker. Try a wide variety of Scotches, including peated, bourbon cask-aged Scotch, non-peated, bourbon cask-aged Scotch, peated, sherry cask-aged Scotch, unpeated, sherry cask-aged Scotch, as well as Scotches which use a combination of bourbon and sherry casks.
Try a wide variety of Irish whiskeys, including single malts and single pot stills.
Try a wider variety of American whiskeys, including American single malts and some of the weirder, more unusual varieties which defy categorization beyond simply being "whiskey."
You're greatly limiting your own exposure to a much wider world of flavors by sticking with just bourbon and rye.
I would also suggest broadening your horizons beyond whiskey to other wood-aged spirits. For example, I find Armagnac and Calvados to both be rather lovely.

>>21976538
I can feel the hangover this must cause

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>>21978764
You could buy 51 bottles of wt101 for the same price and each one would be better than this buffalo disgrace garbage.

>>21978830
b-b-but Forbes said "is good" and then reddit clapped

is it just me or is WT 101 getting better in quality

What's a better first scotch, Monkey Shoulder or Johnnie Black? Same price over here. I don't mind a bit of smoke.
I had Ballentine's before but it just kind of sucked from what I recall

>>21981059
Johnnie black has a little smoke, monkey shoulder has none. I prefer Johnnie.

>>21978756
No hangover at all. Also tastes just like bourbon. Thai and Phillipin rum my ass.

>>21980512
The more whiskey I drink the more I come back to wt101 and realize you don’t really need more that.

>>21978764
>wheated
Into the trash it goes.

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lets get twisted

I’m drinking a highball made with Indian whiskey (indri trini) and it’s pretty good. I learn that the owner of the company killed some waitress for some retarded pajeet bloody bitch benchod reason, so o guess that’s the catch you can never truly avoid their retardation even though this is p good and I think a little bit better than the scotch basic equivalents (glenlivet 12 and founders, etc, glenfiddich)

>>21981557
its unfortunate that Nepal and the Himalayas are still India

What're the cheapest good bourbon/scotch/whiskeys bros

>>21981684
>cheapest good bourbon
Evan williams?

I have resorted to drinking coors banquet and modelo especial just to switch things up from drinking whiskey
I am drunk good night

bourbon is so boring, i think i'm a rye guy now

>>21951993
tariffs m8 you voted for it

>>21951993
what are the typical prices of benchmark scotch / irish whiskeys in the US compared to bourbon?
let's say, Wild Turkey 101 vs Johnnie Walker Black vs Jameson

>>21982605
for the 750ml
>WT101 $20-25
>Jameson $25-30
>JWB $30-40
in Jeffco/STL, MO

>>21982983
NTA, but for me (all prices before taxes):

>WT101 $28
>Jameson $34
>JWB $40

Montgomery Co. MD

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>>21982605
NH Live Free or Die state liquor store
WT101 $28
Johnnie Black $32
Jameson $28
but for me its pic rel $25 for a magnum

>>21983040
WT101 is still the better deal then.

The Ballz costs you ~11 cents per milliliter of pure alcohol

WT101 costs about 9.3 cents per milliliter of pure alcohol

>>21982983
>>21983017
>>21983040
thanks, it's interesting to see as a EUfag
here Jameson is the cheapest and WT101 would usually be a bit over JWB in price but similar. it is much less available than the other two though. Wild Turkey 81 would be in-between Jameson and JWB. probably bigger price difference than in US because of alcohol tax

I tried my second scotch today it was laphroaig 10. Previously I tried ardbeg and hated it. This was much better I would say that I enjoyed it although I don’t think I would do two in a row.

>>21983818
kek if those are your very first scotches try some unpeated like glendronoch, bunnahabhain, bruichladich’s classic laddie, glenfarclas, a’bunadh etc. in case those are more up your alley. For peat I like kilchoman, torabhaig, ledaig, springbank (longrow). ardbeg’s lineup are all solid picks. I also enjoyed benriach’s smoky series

>>21983818
>I tried my second videogame today, it was Dwarf Fortress
>Much better than Aurora 4x, though I don't think I can learn two video games in a row again

Had my first whisky recently. A jameson black label triple distilled they gifted me at work. No idea if that's good, I assume not since it's such a mainstream brand, but I know nothing.

First sip I wanted to spit. Just pure burning. I thought people were larping drinking this. I would have gifted it to a friend but I'm short on those and the ones I have don't drink. So I decided to take one sip a day to finish it since I hate wasting a gift.

Its day four and now I am noticing the burning sensation is less prevalent and my tongue focuses more on the aftertaste. I still am not sure how much I like it but it's interesting at least.

>>21984450
If the burn is too much, drink it on ice

>>21984296
>>21984314
Are these not good scotches? Ardbeg I didn’t like but the one I tried yesterday was good. I will get an unpeated scotch next. The place I was at had a lot of scotches but I only ordered one because their rye and bourbon list was very bad.

what did you post lol

>>21984590
It was the menu but it was sideways I don’t know how to fix it

>>21984592
You just open it up in ANY text editor and do "save as".

make sure it's in the proper orientation in the image editor when you do it.
How do kids still not know how 4chan works? This shit has been a thing for almost 15 years now.

>>21984594
>text editor
image

>>21984557
they are good scotches, but islay scotches are famously the most smoky and demanding of all scotch. so most people start with something gentler

>>21984450
leave the top off for an hour a day for about a week, invert it and give it a good shake and then put it away for a month or so. when you have again it will have aerated some and should be a little smoother so long as you dont take big drinks. half a teaspoon per sip to start. prep your mouth with water and let it soak in. move your tongue around make sure that it's all coated. then do the same with the alcohol. swallow gently and dont open your mouth for a minute or two. when breathing through your nose move your tongue and jaw as if you're chewing. the flavor should last for about 10 mins if you dont chase or rinse. helps to have a relatively clean palate as well. any salt, fat or spice will affect the experience even after brushing and mouth wash. even still Jameson Black isnt all that great, but once you know the ropes a bit you could start expanding a bit, trying higher abv options.

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>>21984450
>40%
>First sip I wanted to spit. Just pure burning.
Get a load of this faggot/woman.

>>21984616
I ended up buying a bottle of Laphroaig on the way home from work yesterday but I had to go to a different liquor store than I normally go to so my guy who works there doesn’t think I’m turning gay.

all my cardiologist brother's expensive liquor tastes no different from any other EXCEPT the knob creek that is downmarket for him which I can drink like soda pop. Explain this to me.

>>21986571
you're drinking it wrong, have a bad palate or he got ripped off.

>>21986639
it's certainly me

>>21986571
I’m not sure what you mean by any of this but bourbon has turned into a scam. Bourbon is best when it’s simple so stuff like wt101, kc9 and ogd 114 are better then 90% of high end bourbons not oeople want to turn it into scotch. Complexity in bourbon is overrated.

>>21986681
No one actually says this in real life ergo you are a gay poser loser

>>21987522
>The fat fag influencer on jewtube says you should buy 300 dollar meme whiskeys
Try thinking for yourself

Just tried Augusta Distillery at a tasting last night. They were really good but the 8 year was $129. I did get to try a taste or two of their 13 year but that was $249.

What's a good, inexpensive first scotch? Monkey Shoulder? Johnnie Black label? Some cheap single malt like Glen Moray?

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>>21987605
Mean while Willett purple tops are $25-50/year.

>>21987633
Thank goodness the 4 years are now $70

>>21987679
Yeah but most people consider the "real" purple tops to still be 7+ years.

The 4 year aint bad tho.

>>21987681
As someone who has never had anything about the 4 year I gotta say that I am more than happy to stay with the 4 year at that price point.

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>>21987685
They're worth a taste if you get the chance, but I wouldn't say run out and buy one today or anything.

and i've had both an 8 and an 11 year.


They're certainly a LOT different as they age. Totally different animal than the 4 year.

>>21987618
>good and inexpensive
stay away from Johnnie Walker. Balvenie 12 Double Wood is a good intro but maybe too pricey to be "inexpensive". Loch Lomond is decently priced, but is probably better for an intermediate palate. Naked Grouse/Naked Malt is sufficiently cheap and tasty.

I tried scotch number 3 last night. Had a pour of macallan 12 and it was like drinking prune juice. Very unpleasant. So far Laphroaig is the only one ive liked.

>>21987768
modern Macallan is said to have a nice nose that never translates to the palate. mine was pure sulfuric ass. big waste of time and money.

>>21951884
Hell yeah just got some Suntory Toki club soda and lemons. Its refreshing.

>another retard bought Macallan instead of Glendronach
I lol every time.

>>21987768
Unforunate choice, Macallan sucks megacock. I'd recommend trying Glenlivet, Highland Park or Dalmore next.

>>21988077
Absolutely terrible recs.

>>21988084
What's the problem with Glenlivet and Highland Park? Dalmore is more controversial because they use coloring, but it still tastes good. I just recommended basic shit that's commonly available, the absolute best shit like cask strength aged for decades independent bottler whiskeys aren't exactly easy to find unless you live in some meme town in Scotland.

>>21988106
Glenlivet keeps getting more expensive despite being a supermarket single malt. I've heard good things about the French Oak and the 18 year that was 43% was well respected. Highland Park(Edrington) was in a head to head battle with Ardberg(LVMH) for most manchildish packaging while the crap they bottled got worse and worse. Dalmore is only suitable for throwing on an old carpet.

>>21987768
Isn't Laphroaig the one that tastes like smoked bandaids?

>>21988220
Yep, like licking a burnt hospital floor. I like it sometimes though.

I normally use Woodford Reserve for Whiskey Sours and drink Talisker neat, but would appreciate any suggestions for similar alternatives.

>>21988220
try the select - not peaty smoke, super smooth.
try the oak cask for the full windy fire on the beach peat effect
both are nice

super easy scotch? Glenlivet Founders.

found macallan uninteresting for the price, dont think ill try again

>>21988220
I didn’t get a bandaid flavor but I don’t really know what a bandaid would taste like. I’ve been drinking rye for a long time and recently started trying different bourbons so whiskey isn’t new to me but I never drank scotch before. I liked the Laphroaig enough to buy a bottle of it so I guess I didn’t get bandaids. Ardbeg to me was way smokier in a bad way with a sour finish I didn’t care for it. Macallan had a very strong prune flavor that I didn’t care for at all.

>>21988225
>Talisker
>similar alternatives
Urine, jenkem.

>>21987633
I'm not one of those "I only drink WT101 and anyone who pays more than $30 for whiskey is a faggot" types, but I could buy ~10 bottles of Knob Creek 12 year for the price of that 12 year Willett and I can almost guarantee it would be better.

>>21988950
I mean, it's fucking bourbon in the end. so weird that people will pay so much for the most homogenous category of whiskey

>>21988950
>"I only drink WT101 and anyone who pays more than $30 for *bourbon* is a faggot"
FTFY. Whisky is absolutely something that can benefit greatly from going further and paying for higher levels of quality. The issue is the WT101 specially causes bourbon to peak so hard so early that habitually paying more is really silly and you're better off using your money to explore other styles of the spirit.

Note that I'm not saying that it's *never* worth getting higher end stuff. Maybe you get a windfall and splurge on Pappy or something and really enjoy that. But 'bourbon hunters' who spend stupid money on rare shit all the time are just pissing.

>>21989150
It's also the strict laws desu. Whatever bourbon you get, you're getting real bourbon, no coloring or grain spirits added. So even bottom shelf bourbon is usually not bad compared to other whiskeys.

>>21989190
>grain spirits
You can add basically 49% whatever grain you want.

Prices need to deflate some, that’s all there is to it
Slow down the money printing and it will stabilize

>>21989150
I think it also is due to the use of new oak barrels and the general flavor profile of bourbon. New charred barrel oak barrels impart a lot of flavor very quickly compared to refilled barrels like with scotch. Bourbon can be pretty good after as little as 4 years of aging and runs the risk of becoming too astringent if left for the same amount of time scotch spends in a barrel.
The other thing is that the flavors associated with bourbon and very straightforward….sweetness, vanilla, baking spice, cinnamon you don’t need a ton of time in a barrel to draw that out. Before scotch gained popularity in the us wt101 and ogd were the top shelf bourbons but distillers saw a money making opportunity and took it.

I tried Michter's Sour Mash for the first time and I was pleasantly surprised. It's a lower proof, but there's a nice Peach-O's finish that I really dig.

>>21989150
yeah but bourbon isn't this binary of just bottom-shelf or Pappy/tater bottles. I think where bourbon excels is that there are so many great bottles at the $50-$70 level you can get any any sizeable liqour store, you can't really say that about scotches.

>>21989293
>here are so many great bottles at the $50-$70 level you can get any any sizeable liqour store, you can't really say that about scotches
Are you kidding me? You can only be speaking from an American POV, because outside the States the reverse is more often the case, it's Scotch that gives you amazing bang for your buck at that price range, while most bourbons are stuck struggling to be even as good as Rare Breed. If I can get some nice Ardbeg on special, American stuff is hardly going to compare.

You need to keep in mind that in most of the world, American whiskey is foreign and no cheaper than other world whiskey accounting for import fees+taxes.

ITT: people find out different countries are different

>>21989315
any reccs for good cheap scotch? preferably really cheap

>>21989329
You're not going to like the answer, but JW Red. I don't think it's great, but I genuinely enjoy it for what it is and has an actually kind of nice sweet taste to me, with pine flavor and peat smoke from the Caol Ila used in the blend. It's the cheapest stuff I think is actually good.

The cheapest stuff I consider actually great would be Glenlivet 12.

Both of these are quite undervalued by whisky snobs.

>>21989349
cool, thanks. cheap ones I see locally are stuff like Glen Moray, Tamnavulin, Monkey Shoulder

>>21989329
Just buy whatever is on sale for 10 bucks. JW Red, Ballantine's, Famous Grouse, Grant's etc.

Under 50 wt jimmy russells 70th is unbeatable

>>21989349
skip the JW unless you want to save money
youll be happy with the glenlivet

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What are some good Japanese whiskey to start off with?

>>21989617
could also grab a 200ml of Classic Laddie. since it's like the only whiskey in the correct bottle size for a fancy spirit

I opened the Laphroaig today and am sipping. It’s pretty good I’m surprised I like it as much as I do despite tasting kind of weird. What else should I try that’s similar to this but not ardbeg.

>>21989742
not sure ive ever seen this in my local stores

>>21989329
>>21989354
Tamnavulin is surprisingly good for the price, at least the sherry cask one but I can't remember what the standard one is like.
For scotch you honestly shouldn't even bother with blended or even blended malt, they're so much worse than single malts that the lower price points aren't worth it.

>>21990438
>For scotch you honestly shouldn't even bother with blended or even blended malt, they're so much worse than single malts that the lower price points aren't worth it.
This is just brain dead reddit tier logic.

The idea that blends = bad is so intellectually lazy you deserve to be laughed at.

If you did double blind tastings I can assure you, you'd probably highly rate at least one or two blends over single malts.

>>21990439
Actually the only thing I based my opinion on was personal experience.

Blended is just slop, thanks to being the loosest classification that doesn't require it to be 100% proper malt.
Blended malts have less taste and character
Single malts have the most character and the largest variance, they range from the best of the best to at least as bad as plain blended.

So yes some blended malts would handily beat crappy single malts even in a non-blind tasting, but only due to having steady average to below average quality compared to completely crashing and burning. Overall exploring single malts is far more interesting and the highs are far higher, especially if given recommendations of known good whiskeys.

I've tried a combined total of 100+ different whiskeys(including different styles/countries), cognacs, rums, tequilas and other misc stuff, and I've found that nothing else beats a good scotch single malt.

>>21990451
>I've found that nothing else beats a good scotch single malt
Every fruit based spirit btfo scotch easily. Cheap grain swill has no flavour itself at all if scotch wouldn't be smoked or aged in (wet) sherry barrels.

>>21990510
>Every fruit based spirit btfo scotch easily.
Almost every cognac and brandy I've tried is either overblended for smoothness, or is overwhelmingly dominated by funky grape like unaged clear fruit spirits. Young calvados is boozy and I've only had one XO that had complexity.

So far the observed reality doesn't align with your opinions on scotch, but I haven't found any armangacs in any of the local establishments yet so theoretically it's possible it might be better but that's unlikely.

>>21990451
I've been drinking whiskey for over 20 years.

You're welcome to have an opinion, but treating your opinion as if it's established fact makes you a retard.


I also know you never do blinds or you wouldn't be this arrogant.

Once you start forcing yourself to do blinds you really come to find out how moronic your opinions are.

Seriously, rank your favorite whiskeys, do a REAL blind tasting, write down your tasting notes, ratings, etc, then find out which one you ACTUALLY ranked highest and laugh at how stupid you are.


Even better if you're doing a public blind tasting with someone else doing the pours.

>>21990535
Placing that much emphasis on blind tasting, I have to assume you think secondary factors like price, brand or whatever have been skewing my experiences. This is unlikely to be the case based on how many times I've tried something I have no preconceptions on, or found the actual sensory experience not match preconceptions at all.

Good single malts are consistantly better than blends and have a lot more character, again however that doesn't mean all single malts are good. The only thing I will concede on is that in the end how highly who rates what comes down to personal tastes, and my original post was somewhat too imperative compared to that. Some people might prefer smoother, more subdued and more consistant flavor profiles, but I personally like to see high peaks even if it means I have to sometimes come across absolute dogshit while looking for them.

>>21990531
Every scotch that was just aged in old bourbon barrels is boring af and also sharp. All my friends they the same. They all meant that shitty Laphroiag was much smoother than whatever boring 12 yo stuff. Meanwhile they all liked the fruityness of cognac, armagnac or calvados. Even slivovitz was more pleasant for them than scotch.

>>21990588
I find people are rarely mentally disciplined enough to actually remove their preconceived biases from a comparison unless it's forced through proper blind testing.

Even if they don't think they're biased, they are.

>>21990535
The problem with blinds is that they also tend to be just as subjective since there all kinds of factors in play that a blind doesn't account for. You could do a randomized blind of the same products multiple times and not find any meaningful correlation.
If you have a palette that gets consistent results from repeated blinds, then you probably don't really need to go through the ceremony, and if you don't have that, then the blind is not doing anything for you anyways.

>>21990592
As someone who has drank a lot of slivovitz with my buddy from croatia I can tell you it’s much worse than whiskey. Even he would admit it if you got him drunk enough.

>>21990642
>since there all kinds of factors in play that a blind doesn't account for.
True, you can't tell which drink will make you more masculine or get you more upvotes. Also the appearance of the bottle and the knowledge of the brand can make it taste better.

>>21990655
Sure, but you if you do two separate blinds of the same products on 2 different days and get conflicting results, the only thing you've accomplished is determining that your taste isn't reliable.
If a bottle/brand/story enhances your experience, I don't see anything wrong with that.

>>21990664
I was being sarcastic.

>>21990664
>the only thing you've accomplished is determining that your taste isn't reliable
and proven that anytime you tell someone one whiskey is "better" than another, you're lying because you just admitted your own taste isn't reliable in the first place.