>>21958998
Like you can't seriously expect people to enjoy this Amazon/Marshalls decor environment

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>>21959000
trips forgot pics

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>>21959002
This evades logic

>>21958998
They just want you to buy shit and then get out, the furniture is cheap as fuck and is only there so it's more than just literally an empty room with a counter.

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Mmm that drink was good, I'm gonna get anot- oww my b-AAAAAACCCCCCKKKKK!!!!!!!!

>>21959004
it's actually very logical. they don't want you hanging around taking up valuable real estate. they want you in, hang for a couple minutes and then get out. the more people through the door, the more sales.

>>21959007
that's so fucking soulless, I'm better off doing drive through coffee at McDonalds in that case, rather than $4 coffee from some plastic furniture smelling hellhole

I'd rather they didn't exist. You can't even take dates there.

>>21959012
No, it's not.

>that one guy that brings his cat

>>21959011
That goat picture looks like an ayylmao in the thumbnail.

>>21959018
>i don't like it so it's not logical
ok

They don't want you to stay anymore. Buy your overpriced shit and get out.

>>21959014
>$4 coffee
Where are you posting from? Or, more accurately, when? 2003?
>>21958998
Same question.
That's been the style for the last fifteen years at least.

>>21959012
i remember around 2019 a new coffee shop opened near me that had one long bar table on the wall, and stools that had no backs and were taller than the table, so you had to hunch over and it was very uncomfortable. they had a sign on the wall that said something like NO WIFI, TALK TO EACH OTHER.
i hope they closed in covid and never opened again.

>>21959061
you don't need wifi at a coffee place

>>21959067
it's not about the wifi

Blame the performative faggots who'd bring their laptops and chargers and stay for hours on a $3 cup

>>21959083
hipsters made the world amazing. Now we're left with farmers markets whose best product is a printed map in a dollarama frame. Fucking hurts my soul. It hurts all ours souls

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I visited a place in Portland Maine that had a mix of both comfortable seating at booths and a long table with stools along it. Starbucks is shitty but at the very least there’s still places to sit. Usually go there to read

>>21959101
God bless Maine

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>>21959130
It’s certainly a beautiful state

I can’t think of the phrase coined to describe the phenomenon but, it’s been trend for roughly 10yrs.
Like others said, it’s typically to encourage people to move on faster so more people come and go. I was able to find a phrase “15-minute chair” that describes the uncomfortable chairs but it’s usually everything like the industrial echo, standing tables/counters, and loud music

>>21959243
can you "mint" a 15minute brahp inside one of these soulless places as a protest?

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>>21959243
Enshitifcation? But that's more of a general term rather than café-specific.

>>21959007
This, they got sick of the assholes who spend hours hogging a table while nursing a single fucking coffee.

>>21958998
I remember from like 2000 to ~2015 when a lot of cafe's would be open 24/7, now it's hard to find one open past 3pm.

They suck to the point I even miss old goybucks. Like most things it all went to shit around 2012. They used to be more wood grainy and the chairs were atleast upholstered on the bottom. The mood was more upper middle class/bookworm rather than LGBT/paycheck-paycheck intellectual urban. Speaking of LGBT I miss baristas being mostly attractive straight women, not just nicer to look at but they seemed more hygienic.
>Just go to cheap places
Going back hygienic where I live the staff are all jeets.

>>21959812
Yeah you hit the nail on the head. The issue is all the cute girls are just instathots now with only fans, they rarely leave their house or actually 'work' for a living anymore.

>>21959812
jeets are getting into the coffee game. do not go to their shops. they also have a shit load of dunkin donuts

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My former go-to place is trying to tiktokmaxx, they hired a literal egirl thot (she also works in "online entertainment" lolz) to engage in bantz, and they have more than once asked a customer if they can take a picture of them with their drink to post online

I just want to be left alone and not added to a palantier social credit tensor calculating death robot's training data, why can't we have the 90s back

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>>21959904
A lot of coffee shop culture changing is just Zoomers take on Millennial/Gen X culture.
It's like how scene-tinted girls will wear Ed Hardy and Affliction Shirts as if they're Emo/Metal/Punk clothing.
Zoomer coffee shops that stay open usually double as bars.
Seems to be the model that works in that Greenwich Village to Bushwick part of New York, works because you can just transition your drinking when the hour suits you which both keeps you there and keeps you buying.

>>21959092
>>21959083
Subways aren't hipsters, and they used to have nice seats. no wifi and no sockets though.

>>21959101
>Portland
it didn't get burned out by BLM yet?

>>21959812
>upholstered on the bottom.
those tend to get shat on by shitty people who should be wearing diapers, so they eventually get thrown out in a few months. would only work in more upmarket "causal dining" places.

>>21959812
>I miss baristas being mostly attractive straight women,

i mostly saw fat chicks and tall skinny men working at Starfucks Inc.

>>21959956
That's the point of constantly replacing them, buying lower priced secondhand chairs and tables and why that model flourished and still largely dominates for the past few decades in indie coffee shops. Just go to some cheap secondhand store, buy the old dinner table seats, put them in a cab and for 120 bucks or so you can get a small cafe's worth of comfy seats.

>>21959972
they must have ran out of 2nd hand chairs then. or no one is buying the 1st-hand chairs in the 1st place.

>>21959989
I've made a few furniture items myself and the cost of just pine is higher than getting something made out of birch at Ikea. Aside from being cut for you the Ikea item will also be painted and lacquered. A dinning room chair that's from the 50s would probably cost over 300$ to be made today.
>>21959957
I'm in Canada and atleast for a time we didn't have much fat chicks. In the 2000s you were most likely being served by a skinny brunette with a 7/10 face. The kind of imperfect pretty that made fantasizing about her more plausible, even if it wasn't plausible.

>>21958998
I don't disagree but at least post some pics of what makes good coffee shops.

>>21959083
>performative
You’re fucking dumb. No one is trying to show off for you. Coffee shops are one of the few places where you’re allowed to stay for a period of time if you’re going to be doing something in the area for example but that place isn’t open yet.

One example: A married couple share a car. One of them goes to work, the other is in college. The one who goes to work would drop the other person off at the college, but tre college doesn’t open until 8am. So the student sits in a Starbucks for an hour doing homework until the college opens.

Way more examples than just that. You are projecting a lot.

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Myself I've given up on Drive through coffee and joints like these in favor of QTs self serve cold and hot brew coffee bar. I can get a Big QT size coldbrew coffee for like 3 bucks and accurately control the ice and no being hassled for a tip. QT is now my go to place for coffee unless I'm making it at home.

>>21960059
Spot the freeloading cuckold

>>21960089
You have to be a paying customer to use these services. Their business model is that you come to hang out so long as you’re buying. It’s one of the incentives to attract business. Common courtesy is to buy something every hour if you’re going to be there a while.

>>21960059
There used to be a schizo who posted here about the cool hipsters who went to starbucks to be seen in line

>>21958998
Majority of coffee shop owners are m*llennials instead of Xers now.
Whenever something gets worse, millennials are involved

>>21959688
Yeah, it technically falls into the enshitification label in my mind either way. It was like “corporatification” or something that implies the reason is related to a corporation saving money/opportunity cost.

>>21960139
The problem is a Gen X/Boomer cafe workers could still own a home. With millenials all the tolerable ones got a practical education cause that was the only way to get a living wage, and the they/thems became Baristas.

>>21958998
>hard chairs
>no seating
pick one.

>>21959004
it's for women.
men drink coffee while on the way to work.

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>>21959243
Longer than that. I remember reading about it in a Jack Reacher novel back when. The author obviously liked sitting in cafes, drinking coffee, and was perturbed by their increasing, modern enshitification. I noticed this myself in the penis-shaped, mushroom seats at Chipotle almost 20 years ago, now. It can serve no purpose than to make you as uncomfortable as possible so you leave.

The big enshit trend today is getting rid of delivery drivers and replacing them with one of these Uber-like companies. If your order is wrong, the driver tells you, "not my problem; I don't work for [pizza company];" and if the delivery sucks, pizza company says, "not our driver." Then they just leave it on the sidewalk with the rain & bugs and not even bother knocking on your door and handing it to you. If you paid online (in advance), with tip, this could have cost you $10 for that "delivery."

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>>21960051
and

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>>21960613
and this one's not as hipster, but it btfos 99%+ existing cafes

>>21960139
Without millenial hipsters, independent coffee shops wouldn't exist anymore.

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>>21960607
>>21960613
>>21960617
Im sorry but these dont look good at all. They look cold and uninviting. The 2nd one is the best but even that is only utilitarian and not anything with character.
You probably have to go to europe to find sth with this kind of soul.

>>21960659
hey man, don't sweat it.
It's the best I know, I have not experiences anything better.

Your cafe would be better without the hags. But everything is give and ta-ACK

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>>21960665
Yeah i havent experienced many myself either. Good places are hard to find.
Europe has simply had more time to develop their culture.

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>>21960680
I'm trying to recall some of the nicer cafes I've been to in Asia. Their coffee culture is actually amazing and way better than anything we have in Canada. None of their coffee tastes burnt or upsets your stomach. And I'm talking about more than one country. Japan, Vietnam, Thailand, Taiwan. They all have better coffee and cafes than Canada.

So in Japan they have these upscale trendy cafes called Kissa 喫茶 (chi cha, eat tea). I visited one and I ordered a thick slice of toast and a coffee (3oz) and it turned out to be $15.

It was very quiet and only one other patron was inside. It was someplace in Tokyo. Here's the picture. I can't log into my Instagram right now so this will have to do. I'll get you a better photo tomorrow if you want.

>>21960709
Yes please post them

>>21958998
>>21959000
you are supposed to buy something and leave as soon as possible.
this isnt a lounge.

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>>21960731
Here we go, I have no clue what this place is called, but it was near a canal and train station nearby

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>>21961486

>>21959002
my favorite café in town looks just like this and it hurts me so much inside.

We should just start calling this 'Jewish design' and 'Jewish architecture' and relentlessly shit on it. Associate Judaism and Jewishness with everything negative.

>>21961502
Why is it your favourite?

>>21960659
There are/were a few Viennese coffee places like that in Philadelphia fifteen years ago but I'm not sure if they're still around. Lemme look.

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>>21961533
it was a place I found with friends years ago, so the memories will always make me a little impartial, but mostly the quality of the stuff there is really good. the natural coffee flavour even in the sweeter drinks is always distinguishable, yet never overbearing or too subtle. night and day compared to starcucks except in price, it's not cheap.

>>21961567
Good lad. God bless

>>21958998
>Have coffee shops lots all their comfiness, or is it just in my city?

Money laundering, and/or tax dodge pet projects, or landlord retail space kickback for relatives at discount rental price just to keep it occupied.

>>21960709
There's some Korean cafes in my city and they're more European inspired than the kike inspired western trash. They don't go full opulence, but they try to be classy/cozy.

As for Europe itself it's not all gold gilding. The post-modern Ikea is there too, and they're even more offensive with it. The classic cafes are treasures worth killing people over though.

>>21961707
sometimes it seems like Asian immigrants are saving the west from complete annihilation

They're also the only really why I've kept my mojo all these years

>>21961486
Very classic japanese small restaurant/cafe look. I see this look in places owned by japs outside of japan too. Looks like somebody really lives there and not just a place of business. Extremely cozy.

>>21962414
Yes exactly!
God bless

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>>21959014
Just wait

>>21962420
I still respect that more, I usually take my coffee and leave

>>21959004
I don't mind seating like this too much. It reminds me of the little espresso cafes in Italy where customers have their espresso st the counter.

>>21959011
I hate seating like this, it's like a joint near me. Having one uncomfortable long pew bench with multiple tables next to each other annoys me.

>>21959011
>>21962434
>>21960576
kek only fatasses could make such a big deal about the seating. Normal people can sit there just fine.

>>21962437
normal people are disgusting redditors with no concept of good taste

>>21962439
How can someone so fat they get aches from 10 minutes in a chair lecture anyone about taste? Don't you have any shame?

>>21961488
>$15 for toast and coffee
they saw you coming

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>>21962616
>>21962442

>>21962616
>American toast and coffee
:|
>Japanese toast and coffee
:o

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>>21962933
For me, it's
>European toast
pic

>>21962437
It just looks retarded to have garden furniture in a coffee shop

>>21962933
I think its a cafe thing rather than a comparison bewteen countries. I cant think of anywhere in the world that wont overcharge you for coffee and a light meal. Coffee is really overrated too.

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>>21958998
Why do Europoors have such nice coffee shops? It's not fair

>>21958998
dude, OP. You get it. this shit sucks!!! I remember back in the 90's there was a local coffee shop, it was so fucking dark you could barely see, they had bean bags and huge ass couches, comfy chairs, a glimer of light here and there if you wanted to read a book. it was the fucking shit.

>>21963063
the novelty of it wears off after 10 seconds (if youre a man). much sooner if youre a woman. i can imagine my girlfriend obsessing over this place, wanting to fly to that country to go there, then finally we get there, and right after taking a few photos and ordering a coffee, shes glued to her phone scrolling short videos.

>>21963063
I would curate a list of conversation topics to discuss there with my fellow guests. That place seems too important to talk about plain stuff

>programming
>shai labeufs recent drama
>spiciest political takes
>craziest travel stories

>>21963118
Your gf sound basic af and probably is cheating on you.

>>21963967
i wish she was cheating but shes just not that type of person. i dont want to be with her anymore but she has it set in her mind that were going to spend the rest of our lives together and constantly hints at marriage. i cant dump her or else shell cry and probably try to destroy me.

>>21964142
That's a retarded reason to stay with someone. Suck it up and dump her dumb ass, she will be fine. No matter what she tells you, she will be fine.

>>21959083
remove coffee shops and libraries and there is literally nothing to do

>>21964186

I feel you. Here are some ideas

>skateboard
>gym
>swim
>walk
>dating apps
>2nd language
>call mom if she's still on earth
>sit at McDonald's with coffee
>jack off and goon
>go laugh at bullshit on gif, or pol
>make some amazing food
>sit on your front step
>think about shit. No devices. Just your head

do NOT

>harm yourself
>talk to reddit freaks
>talk to MeetUp freaks
>talk to shitty family members
>old friends
>binge eat
>consume goynip (weed)
>sit at cafes
>sit at libraries
>commit crime

>>21964194
I mean outside, I don't sincerely believe in the benefits of a rich interior world anymore, I have been a NEET and read and created art in my small apartment and the only consequence of this was literally developing schizophrenia because of severe social isolation.
Skateboarding and [spoiler] calling your mother [/spoiler] are only things you can do when you're young, unless you live in a place like Venice Beach.

>>21964228
I feel you dude, been wfh for 6 years. Dropped my friends years ago for various reasons. Dropped my gf 7 months ago for various reasons.

>developing schizophrenia because of severe social isolation
Actual schizophrenia or just moments of despair and mental (not physical) panic attacks?

You live in the same city as your family?

>>21964279
psychotic symptoms which haven't gone away with medication,
I live in the same small town as my dysfunctional family. It's funny, maybe not, the reason I'm in this thread is that a social worker kept telling me to go out and all she could think about was paying 5 whatever to sit and sip for an hour in these flat design or wannabe-mass-corpo-faux Italy get-ups.
Baby boomers can't tell how much the social fabric has gone to the dogs.

>>21959953
I think you are thinking of Portland, Oregon.

>>21964291
Social workers are retards. Go to an educated, male therapist.

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>>21964291
You're based as fuck for working on living a better life desu
I know it's hard, only because I help someone out with their problems. Do keep it up! Even if you spend some time not doing anything, getting back into trying is based.
I wish I had advice but everyone is different, and I'm sure you've heard all the basic tips.
Best of luck

>>21964228
>taking meds instead of making friends
kek

>>21964379
I have considered this, but it would cost me the savings that I am planning to use on moving
>>21964390
Thank you catposter, I appreciate the words. At the moment I am preparing to move to a bigger place, potentially with a couple more coffee shops, I do still enjoy reading, but at the moment my out is escaping this crab bucket where every single one of my neighbours hates me for trying to mask my fits with an electric fan.
>>21964397
yes, I fell for this, but I also fell for leaving my university town, anons, making friends after 30 is not easy.

>>21964418
Peace be with you

>>21964418
>>21964397
Sometimes you need meds to get out the door. No one wants to talk to schizos, no one wants to hear fits.
Regardless of the fake ass “no stigma” shit there is, people not paid to say that are not actually willing to see or interact with symptoms related to mental illness.

I’m not trying to discourage anon from getting out, i have just been there and meds got me out the door and helped repair relationships with my friends.
You just have to not be retarded and accept meds that zombify you. If a med makes you feel worse just don’t take it and try another one

>>21962437
Fatasses have more ASS for cushioning.

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I used to go to this Starbucks years ago before & after work because my 3rd world country's traffic was so bad that my home five miles away took like two hours drive unless I waited until it subsided down. Then it took 15 minutes tops.
I read about history and finance 4+ hours while smoking packs of cigarettes everyday. It was so comfy and cheap too (about $1.5 for an americano). It actually felt like a third place and even now, I know it sounds gay but, I feel nostalgic about the place. Pic related from 2017-google maps.

I don't know how people can frequent these places >>21959002
, pay $5+ for shitty coffee several times and work shoulder to shoulder with other people. Whenever I visit a cafe in the US I feel like a rat, no exaggeration.

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>>21964716
Mega comfy story. God bless you bro, happy Easter
Do you have another 3rd place now? It's not good to feel like a rat.

>>21964418
How are you feeling now? What did you get up to today? I went to the gym, programmed a bit, and learned more Chinese

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>>21964788
No, since I moved to US I work night shift and from home. I don't leave home anymore unless my wife forces me to. So I am down to one place let alone three.
I joined a gym recently that is free weights only and empty even at 6pm, so maybe that will feel like a place.

I found this on my phone from 2023. This is quite late at night. They even had heaters outside for cold days.

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>>21964971
I guess the American dream is more of a hellhole nightmare.

I feel you on the wfh isolation. It seems pointless to go anywhere and it can be tough to even go to the gym some days.

What do you live for now? What are you chasing? atheres gotta be something, otherwise you're basically a dead cattle

Here is my journal entry from a few weeks ago, I think it's pertinent.

wfh... the weather is so beautiful today. I've been alone for so long. Surviving the winter feels like an achievement. It was dark and cold. I just zoned the fuck out with solitary hobbies

I left my computer. Went for a walk. Sitting at McDonald's, having a coffee and ice cream. Looking out the window. I see my hands and they look like thin man hands now - no longer a boy at 29.

Chinese mom and her boy are sat next to me. Beautiful relationship

I don't care if I'm fired. I'd welcome it. I just want to experience some beauty and that's easier to do without looking at my fat, diabetes speech slurring manager in zoom meetings

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>>21965062
Thanks for the journal entry anon.

>I guess the American dream is more of a hellhole nightmare.
Not really a nightmare, I would say I am neutral about it. I am just left in wonder how Americans have lost it though.

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>>21958998
>blue bottles Morse building location
>literally muh """"experimental""" methods coffee
>$8 for a cup of black coffee in 2015
>one circular table to sit at in entire Cafe
>almost all other drinking spots were standing tables without chairs
I used to go there more than I want to admit desu. total pretentious shithole

>>21958998
>>21959002
>>21959004
>>21959011
Its a knock-on effect from the property market dominating things, plus corporate squeeze.

>>21959028
Ayyylmao

>>21964716
it's not stupid to feel nostalgic about a place that made you feel human
>>21964788
the pharmacy and that is shut today for Easter, I serendipitously bumped into a old fella who I know from a walking group in another city, we had a coffee, he's feeling lost because of his wife and friends passing and I'm feeling lost for reasons I've already explained, I had a hot chocolate, the coffee shop is pretty humane all things considered, but I have one more night to get through before I can ask someone about my medication.
I like the sound of Chinese, there are many Chinese poems that I have read at 2nd hand bookshops and Chinese soup is possibly my favourite food.

This is just the Netherlands

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>>21965185
>Not really a nightmare, I would say I am neutral about it. I am just left in wonder how Americans have lost it though.
I overshot the situation kek
Did you have coffee time yet? What blend are you drinking these days?

>>21965252
That doesn't look very comfy. I'll post some more cafes I visited in Asia, starting with the first place I tried vietnamese egg coffee, Cafe Phố Cổ

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>>21965654
It sorta sounds like you struggle more at night time? If I empathize accurately, I recommend keeping a lamp on while sleeping. I have a strip of 6500k leds and it makes me think it's daytime because it matches the color of a cloudy summer sky. Very comfy. Did you and the old fella have a good visit? Will you meet up again?

Cama Cafe is a coffee shop chain in Taiwan. Their locations roast beans in store. 8/10 locations have poor seating options, but their Latte Coffees (Milk + Coffee, no sugar, no ice, hot) are incredible. The first time I took a sip of one was akin to sitting in a steelcase leap v2 for the first time after only sitting on kitchen chairs. I was relaxed and transported to a happy place. I couldn't drink too many cus unfortunately I get subcutaneous acne from dairy.

>>21965691
I like the mascot fella, I think back support is important but not feeling like you got ripped off is probably up there, I didn't notice Starbucks coffee tasted so poorly when I would go there without anyone else to notice. I like coffee but right now I probably shouldn't have any.
I'll keep some light going but the main problem for me is adjusting to when people come back from work and I start to feel entangled by the walls. The old fella is about 69, I think he's lost his confidence, it's difficult because I don't have any suggestions. If third places didn't exist then there would be a giant chasm of emotional isolation.
My town has a library and some coffee shops, but you can only get your haircut once every couple of weeks, I don't know how people do it. In America they had bowling alleys and here they even used to have ballet halls or dance halls.

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there are still some neat boho coffee shops in murrica but they're rare and practically tourist attractions in some cases. this one is rimsky in portland fackin oregon

>>21966039
idk bro, I imagine stuffy air, loud conversation, and thumping music. That image doesn't look comfy. Red pill me on this (excuse the outdated verbiage)

>>21965654
Good luck with the pharmacy today anon

>>21964971
How is married life?

>>21961486
General kissaten are nice, and fine if you want just a black coffee and maybe a dorayaki or something, but the prices for some things can be ridiculous, like 1000en for a sandwich set.
>>21961488
or moningu sets for like 800en and it's just a slice of toast and some jam, or a hard boiled egg.
It's been nearly 10 years since i was last in Jap land, but even by then the old kissa were losing a lot of ground to chains, so god knows how it is now

>>21966201
people don't drink as much, but still like to socalise, so they go to places like this instead and drink coffee.

>>21964508
Yes but the mass of their fat rolls also causes much more force to act on their spine and hips at all times. So they need much more ergonomic seating or they get aches and pains

>>21958998
I think my home city of Melbourne has the best coffee in the world.

>>21967448
Aye mate, I know a proppa sheila that reckons the same. Yeah, met her at a barbie. Cheeky chook was like a mozzie, suckin on my snag as soon as I showed up with an esky. Crazy times in the woop woop mate, crazy times

>>21966993
>if you want just a black coffee and maybe a dorayaki or something
I just want to starve myself and drink black coffee while starring lovingly into the eyes of a petite, non-well-adjusted asian woman whose ability to focus is just enough to hold down a job and earn a basic wage yet somehow in this moment shes locked onto my gaze and we read each others minds and feel soothed after a night and morning of raw sex, appreciating the time we get to spend together before everything inevitably shatters and we'll have to wait 1-3 years before a similar experience with other people

>>21959028
Meds

>>21967761
what kind? ... yeah that's what I thought. No original thoughts, just recycle things you've read big girl

>>21959953
Maine may be a “liberal” state buts it’s not like the West coast my man

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>sit on wooden stood
>rip a huge fart
>wooden stool amplifies the sound of the fart
>entire cafe looks at me

the "to-go" coffee phenomenon is clearly being pushed by the jews who want to discourage any secular person talking to one another

This is like every small business I'm told to "support," not just coffee shops

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>>21958998
If I've never been to a coffee shop what do I order?
What fancy coffee?
Thinking I'll go with some kinda sweetroll too from the bakery because I deserve a treat

>>21959002
this one is brutal I cannot imagine going in there. I have a theory that every bar and every coffee shop should actually be 1 thing. Like its a coffee shop in the morning and a bar after noon or whatever. Seems so weird that you don't see them doing this much

>>21970412
How?
Anyway, get a double espresso, mix two sugars in it, then a splash of cream to cool it down
That and a glass of ice water

The real problem, and I'm surprised no one has mentioned it so far: coffee shops don't want homeless people "living" there all day.

>>21970449
what do we do then?

t. cafe boycotter?

>>21970412
I've only been in them like twice and both times I got really nervous at how many options there are and the cute girl at the cashier kept staring at me because I didn't know what to order so I just walked out without ordering or saying anything

>>21971250
how old are you?
Are you a neet?
can you elaborate on what life is like for you?

It was never comfy being in a place swarming with strangers, never understood this concept

>>21972189
you watch too many gif rekt threads?

because it allows more turnover time in customer staying in the coffee shop.

People casually hanging out are usually cheap cunts and don't order much. They just hang out making a mess of the store and taking up space

You want more turnover time with customers and with bare minimum furniture it won't keep people inside the store for long.

Also they don't want shit covered homeless people coming in and sleeping

>>21960659
Based miasmokk poster

>>21972223
I'm seen cafes that were full on LGBT&BLM stickered kick the homeless out. Sympathy for "folx down on their luck" only exists in the internet and ironically churches.

Personally I think depending on the area it's good to have people sitting around. There's a psychological effect where people don't like eating in empty places. Someone is most like to enter a half full cafe than an empty one. Unless your place is a high volume tourist one it's probably better for business to have some human fixtures.

>>21970449
Even before the post covid homeless explosion they were aggressively kicked out of cafes. It was/still is more common to see them hanging around the outside, and there even pushback agianst that. I've seen a nose pierced blue hair yell and a homeless black person to get the fuck out. It's not an issue unless you live in some city with fucked up bylaws.

I fart in cages and I don't care what happens. One time a few people left and I continues sitting there kek

>>21962420
That's just a Checker's/Rally's

>>21958998
>COFFEE BEANDIGEN MIICWETCH
did AI make this sign?

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>>21958998
back when i lived on the far north side of chicago there was this wonderful cafe i would go to with true SOVL
i moved for a better commute but all the cafes near me now have either become corporate hell-core or are outright corpo slop (starbucks etc) and i regret it
when my lease is up i am leaving this yuppie hell

>>21975260
Or Cook Out

>>21966945
I've been going to the coffee shop and ordering an expensive hot chocolate and just sitting, lord knows but it is something

>>21977555
you just scroll on your phone for 30m or what?

>>21972178
>>21971250
Bump