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>>152627812
Visible eyes and teeth in the robot suit looks so wrong.

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no the most batshit thing about old Iron Man was that the actual Iron Man suit was some kind of bullshit soft fabric that hardened into armor but his helmet was like a fucking cloth mask

>>152627957
I think it is an overcorrection against his first design

>>152627812
Remember back when Spiderman could make objects out of webs like he had a Green Lantern Ring? Remember when Spiderman's web fluid wasn't infinite?

Daredevil's senses were so powerful he could tell where true north was by sensing the magnetic lines of the earth

>>152627957
>>152627812
The old iron man design in genral just feels odd. The eyes come off as creepy, it seems like his outfit is mostly cloth/spandex with the only iron part being his chest plate and briefs.

Psylocke who was a white Brit being body swapped into a Japanese woman. Now Psylocke just is the Japanese woman.

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>>152628172
i honestly don't think they knew how tf anything worked with him in the early days, they kept messing around with these Metal Heroes henshin sequences and if the suit was even made of metal

Billy Batson and Captain Marvel being different personas. Billy and the Captain considered each obter different people.
Though I guess it wasn't forgotten so much as intentionally retconned for JLI.

>>152628196
That transformation is pretty cool and ahead of its time if you think of modern Iron Man and the nanotech suit.

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>>152628201
This has now reminded me that Thor was basically their version of Shazam in his early days. Mild mannered scientist Donald Blake gained the power to transform into the norse god Thor.

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>>152628172
the cloth-like material is, if you think about it, vastly more advanced than his more mecha-like armor

the bronze age justified it as being made out of thousands of tiny scales that interlinked together to form a seamless surface
and each scale was a layered all-in-one unit that could individually store and release energy for both protection against attack and increasing the strength of the user

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green lantern being an aladdin reference is almost forgotten now
his lantern is an analogue to the genies lamp and the ring is a reference to the original aladdin story having first found the genie of the ring who directed him to the more powerful genie of the lamp
his green constructs were their interpretation of the wish granting aspect of the genies, they granted the wishes of alan scott

but even though the genie motifs have survived to modern green lantern they are now heavily divorced from aladdin

>>152627838
Wrong! It give it soul.

>>152628242
>Tony genetically engineered metal bacteria to assemble his suit components at the microscopic scale
Holy shit.

>>152627838
He is a man in an iron mask (and suit). Having eyes is normal.

The X-Men's concept being "superheroes with strange or unconventional powers" The tag line for the 1960s X-Men was "the strangest superheroes of them all" and it was clearly meant to be their version of the Doom Patrol even though Stan always denied it. It's pretty much the exact same concept of superheroes with weird powers that they believe is a curse as it hinders their every day life, being taught that their powers are a gift by a guy in a wheelchair with most of their enemies also being villains with weird powers.

The whole mutant thing wasn't meant to be the focus it was just a way for Stan to skip the origin stories and get straight to the superhero stuff, and was meant to allow him a free pass if he couldn't think of an origin for a hero or villain, he just slapped on "Mutant" and it worked for a long time, for most of the 60s and 70s mutants weren't X-Men exclusive they were just a form of origin. That was their point, an easy go-to origin story.

It wasn't until Claremont came on that the mutant thing became the focus of X-Men and it became more political allegory.

Though I would say the consistent theme between Stan Lee's X-Men and Claremont and post Claremont X-Men is ostracisation from society and still being heroes for a society that doesn't care about them. It's just with the original 60s X-Men, its because they looked weird, Beast with his weird legs, Angel with his wings, Cyclops with his visor, they all had things they couldn't hide, rather than it being that they were mutants.

>>152628186
I don't see the problem

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>>152627830
the transistor gimmick didnt last very long, he was using them far less once he got his classic red and gold armor and he stopped using them entirely in the 70s

but energy absorption was a core part of his suits capabilities through the 70s and into the 80s

>>152628616
Man that armor is so cool. I was pissed find out how little he used it.

>>152628554
Good thing none of the X-Men were constantly radioactive and had to wear bandages to avoid hurting others.

>>152628799
Golden Avenger. Needs to have that color in his main suits usually.

>>152628554
The whole weird powers thing fall flat at first when the orginal five were just normal girl, guy in sunglasses, guy with bigish hands and feet, normal blond guy who's sometimes snow, and guy with wings who is less weird looking than Ben Grimm and handsome.

>>152628319
This explains a lot

>>152628988
Go easy on them, anon. Back in the 60s, simply having glasses was enough to make you a freak of nature in the public’s eye.

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>>152627812
Dr. Strange and Marvel mysticism in general was really heavily tied to personal growth, enlightenment, and all that jazz. For fucking decades, from the early 60s until at least the late 80s, (non-Asgardian) magic was hard to obtain and vaguely defined because you basically had to conquer your inner demons and/or take taxing shortcuts to wield any of it. Almost every single magical villain had some kind of serious personal shortcoming (usually ego) that either made their magic lesser or allowed the more firm-of-character magician to win out through wits, patience, magical prowess, or all of the above.

Then the 90s happened, Roy Thomas got ahold of the series, and all of that was kind of just thrown out for the sake of undoing the Montesi formula and jacking off his voodoo-wielding OC. Afterwards, Quesada sidelined Strange to “work magic out,” and now we have the weird “magic comes at a price” system that writers seem to understand even less than the 70s planet-busting shit.

>>152628988
Its probably why that first run got cancelled. I think Jean was meant to be the "everygirl" that was a vehicle for the reader to learn about the team, as issue 1 is when she joins the team and she's quite a fish out of water.

>>152627830
Man they really didn't know how like ANYTHING sciencey worked did they.

>>152629643
And due to MCU synergy it's now becoming sparkle circles and shooting laser beams at each other and beam struggles.

>>152629810
To be fair it’s always kind of had the laser beam thing going on (see: Dr. Doom, Enchantress, Strange when he’s a side character) just because that’s convenient and punchy as well as easy narrative shorthand to communicate “this character is a magician and is powerful” without needing to get creative with spells/backstory
the sparkle circles though, yeah that shit sucks. Was interesting and novel for the movie, but it’s such a giant downgrade in the comics it’s not even funny

>>152628319
They did harken back to it as recently as that mini of his, where they made Ladd part of his name like it was originally supposed to be.

>>152627812
Which is funny because in the bronze age you see him doing "my suit's powers were originally based on magnetism"

Remember when Two-Face's gimmick was committing crimes themed around the number 2?

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>>152629810
I feel like the first Dr. Strange MCU movie managed to capture a version of 60s - 80s Marvel mysticism really well. It captured Ditko's trippiness and surrealism that was a part of the mystic part of Marvel at the time, but rather than go full psychadelic the MCU modernized it by making it more Inception-like in its trippiness.

Then that was all gone in Multiverse of Madness, and with Agatha and the witchy stuff. Its just generic magic now but with more beams.

Honestly when you look back, Multiverse of Madness is where everything went wrong for the MCU.

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>>152630199
Not just that, in his original appearance and a few times afterwards, if he tossed the good side he would do a proactive good deed

>>152628186
Wrong she went back to being a white British woman and the Asian body is doing her own stuff now

>>152628238
So happy they dropped this stupid shit

>>152630199
>Remember when Two-Face's gimmick was committing crimes themed around the number 2?
>Two-Face clogs all the toilets in Gotham
>Two-Face burns down the toilet paper factory
>Two-Face breaks into the Batcave to steal all the guano

>>152630225
wholly agreed (with maybe less enthusiasm)
Strange got a decent showing in Infinity War too
remember when everyone was shitting their pants over Belvedere Cucumberpatch being cast as a meme? and then he actually turned out to not be half-bad
I do wish they kept the old chanting, but I understand modern audiences aren’t really into that kind of old-school sorcery anymore. No complaints here, just means I can just invoke Munnipor if I want to sniff out comic fans more easily

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>>152628119
that's nothing in the very early days he was clearly trying to be a Batman or James Bond character with a literal batcave like lair in his apartment, radio equipment in his mask and his cane had a microphone and tape recorder and some other gadgets

>>152628238
Thor would also revert back to Donald if he wasn't touching Mjolnir after a minute

>>152630225
Not to mention the way Strange defeats Dormammu in the first movie is pure Ditko. Strange can't overpower him, but with a little preptime, he can outwit him, and force him to make a deal.

>>152630430
I think Infinity War is the best showing of Doctor Strange's magic and MoM is his worst.

>>152627812
Okay but Tony looks caked up in the first panel

Jubilee used to have some unexplained immunity to telepaths which is why she was able to hide out in the Outback base.

>>152627812
well ill just note theres a reason most people didnt connect with Iron Man until modular armor suit. This one is gay.

>>152628554
In that respect, Beast's original transformation was intended to put him in line with the other horror characters that were big at the time. That Conway issue where it happen is definitely done in the same style as shit like Werewolf by Night. But Englehart took over the next issue and pretty quickly dropped that aspect to make him the laid back, wisecracking erudite.

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>>152629643
I enjoy the scale some of those stories play out on. Like at the time most popular heroes were running around on the east coast almost all the time. Meanwhile Strange might take a detour through the Purple Dimension for an issue and that was just a matter of course.

>>152627812
>multi-million kilowatt
How does the MIT-educated genius not know what a terawatt is?

>>152628172
in a way hes like the first "nanomachines" tech hero but its just lame cus its all to justify his body being like a spandex suited heroes body it doesnt feel like they thought up the reasoning for it initially

>>152630986
Alcohol poisoning

>>152629801
X-Men sold poorly only relatively to Marvel's true big hitters (Amazing Spider-Man, The Mighty Thor and eventually The Incredible Hulk once it was retitled from Tales to Astonish). From what small sales data there is, it sold on par with stuff like Captain America and Daredevil and all the other characters and was even with or outselling DC books like Green Lantern and Flash.

Sales maybe plays a part in reality (despite official stories) but if it was truly as bad as history says then they would have cancelled it, not put it into reprints I feel. That indicates there was still value in publishing the book. I would guess that the reality is simply that there was no real l interest internally and it was probably seen as saving some money by not having to pay anyone to work on it. But it was more popular than is typically portrayed and Wanda and Pietro were especially popular (some transcribed letter columns from early issues are all about fans debating whether or not they should join the X-Men).

>>152630279
>, if he tossed the good side he would do a proactive good deed
Man thats too good of a bit to just discard.

>>152629643
A lot of Doctor Strange was interesting because the emotions of it determined the reality of the battles. So you would see insane shifting and warping from the powerful villains and its more about understanding them and choosing honor/responsibility to defeat their 'principles' a lot of that is totally missing from new stuff. and like other anon said mcu synergy has turned it all into anime Chi blasts.

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>>152630976
kek holy shit someone finally made it
thank you for the image anon I’ve been wanting to draw it for months (but never got around to it)

>>152628319
My favorite piece of trivia about golden age Alan is his name was meant to be Alan Ladd after Aladdin, but they thought about it again and declared the name to be too "out there" and unrealistic and just made his last name Scott instead. Then like a year later an actor named Alan Ladd had his big break in Hollywood.

>>152631075
Orlando's Scarlet Witch stuff is closer to what you describe. Sure there's flashy lights and stuff but a lot of the action between the characters is resolved through their recognizing or overcoming some inner conflict. I wouldn't say I'm a fan of the stuff, but Orlando has penned like ~40 issues of it in three years and occasionally I glance over it since I'd still like to have some good wizard shit come out of Marvel.

>>152631070
Last time I recall seeing it was in Batman '89, of all things.

>>152630430
I never liked MCU's Doctor Strange because his personality lines up too much with Tony's. You've got two smarmy knowledgeable men of their field who have the ego trip from thinking they're the smartest person in the room. When they came together in Infinity War it made me hate it even more.

>>152627812
MCU does actually acknowledge this before Disney got involved. There's a throwaway line where someone goes "wait a second, all Stark tech is only limited by how much energy is put into it?" Which is why his arc reactor is so important.

>>152627957
yeah it's a known scientific principle

https://youtu.be/CDsNZJTWw0w?t=7m13s

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>>152627812
Barbara being a librarian, and Batgirls Costume and transformation because she didn't have access to nor the resources of the Batcave.

>>152628108
Yes and yes

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>>152631434
Barbara being a librarian

Barbara being a Congresswoman

Barbara being older than Dick by a lot

This got wiped the fuck out post-Crisis. Honestly Babs' DCAU incarnation basically ate her comics character since that's the way everybody got to know Batgirl and it got picked up by Millennial writers at DC. Think of the Burnside run. Does Babs feel like she's in her late 20s or early 30s there? No, she feels like a teenager. Because "young upstart" is what we've all gotten used to Batgirl being.

>>152631541
I think they tried to Spider-Man her more than DCAU/Timm ruining her.

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>>152627957
It was actually extremely fine mail with a hard helmet back when Dikto took over.

>>152630976
I like Alone Against Eternity where Strange spends a few issues in existential crisis over the idea that everyone on Earth sans himself is a recreation of themselves and he alone has to live with this fact. That's the appeal of Strange is that he's dealing with concepts that are bigger than we can imagine, that even make the Sorceror Supreme seem puny by comparison. It's not only Strange vs. Mordo or Dormammu but Strange having to navigate and interact with concepts, the foundation of reality itself, weird and unexplainable dimensions and how he must keep himself grounded to others lest he lose his humanity and mind until such a time when he can ascend to become one with existence much like the Ancient One eventually did.

It's a weird blend of cosmic horror and eastern mysticism in the guise of a superhero story which is what set the character apart and gave him such a cult following and too many writers nowadays miss that. I feel MacKay got a little bit of that with Strange having to confront the idea of himself as all powerful via General Strange and how his ethics and connections to humanity are vital to keep him from becoming a monster but it's not quite the same as the older stuff.

>>152631541
It also got destroyed because a lot of writers ship her and Dick and act as if they're fated to be together but it doesn't work when she has like 10 years on him and is closer to Bruce's age.

>>152631934
Babs is not in her 30's or over 25 in any incarnation that I can think of other than Batman Beyond. Dick when he was Robin had a starting age range from 8 to 12 until he aged out at 18.

>>152629643
>For fucking decades, from the early 60s until at least the late 80s, (non-Asgardian) magic was hard to obtain and vaguely defined because you basically had to conquer your inner demons and/or take taxing shortcuts to wield any of it.
And then, 2020 Marvel introduced a guy who learned magic from the internet in Iron Man and also Hogwarts.

>>152631934
Honestly I like Babs and Dick having an age gap even if I prefer him with Starfire

>>152631967
Bruce in the Bronze Age would have likely been no older than his mid-30s or thereabouts. Barbara would have had to have been at least 25 to be a Representative.

>>152628319
Holy shit, everything makes sense now.

>>152632023
It's also why Green Lantern powers used to be vaguely defined basically magic stuff instead of just making green things. They're wishes. That's kind of why I wish we went back to "only limited by the wearer's imagination" to be literal

>>152632010
sorry that's true I should have clarified her operating as Batgirl, she's obviously in her 30's as Oracle and wasn't Batgirl when she was in congress

>>152630225
I liked that magic was more like a superpower to control space and create weapons out of nothing

>>152631298
They did that because of the memes

>>152628432
What’s even better than from this: microscopic bacteria armor shit, nano, or pure armor?

>>152627812
Jennifer Walters being a functioning adult.

>>152628554
Finding out from this Doom Patrol is therefore the real OGs and not the xmen somehow makes it very satisfying that DC really do got it for creativity.

Man Stan’s a fucking bum

>>152632050
Yes she was, that's what Batman Family is all about.

Kirby intended Doom to have just a barely noticeable scar
It was at least properly acknowledged in Triumph and Torment, where that was the case until Doom put onto his face his newly made iconic mask when it was still red hot

>>152632050
She was in Batman Family. Dick was her intern.

>>152632145
Doom Patrol and X-Men came out a month apart and everyone involved on both Marvel and DC has maintained that given lead times it's nothing more than a coincidence since I think the story that's supposed to be "proof" has been that Stan heard about it at a golf game shortly before My Greatest Adventure #80. There wasn't enough time for Stan to come up with the concept, have Jack and whoever draw/ink it, then script it, then go to the letterer, etc. in so short a time.

>>152632102
She's been more or less holding it together since leaving Aaron's Avengers. Got a new apartment, went back to lawyering, found a guy she's going steady with. She's regularly making time to meet up with friends and socialize.

At least that's what her situation was up until Bruce left her stranded in space. Now she's doing some Green Sonja shit or something.

>>152632308
>Got a new apartment
Gifted it to her by Janet.
>went back to lawyering
She works in a closest for Mallory Book...
>found a guy she's going steady with.
Jobber of Hearts.
>She's regularly making time to meet up with friends and socialize.
That gay fight club doesn't count.

>>152628832
Too bad none of the Xmen alchemically married eachother and became a dickgirl and had sex with themselves to give birth to themselves on the moon to hatch out of a giant egg

>>152627812
Silver Age Spider-sense could not just sense danger, but basically anything. I don't have the pic, but there was an occasion where Flash disguised himself as Spider-man and got beat up for it and Peter could "feel" every punches on his way to Flash.
Its also was capital to save aunt May, since he sensed the trap door to Doc Ock's lab with the spider sense.

>>152632023
I just had the same reaction what the fuck.

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>>152632335
>She works in a closest for Mallory Book...
In fairness it's a very nice closet.

>>152632955
Her even working for Mallory Book is fucking gross.

>>152632955
Somebody really needs to assemble a collage of all the stupid monkey faces Jen makes in this run.

>>152627812
Tony’s heart condition used to very super important, to a point in early stories he even had to keep the armour’s chest plate on under his civilian clothes at all times so that the shrapnel wouldn’t move.

You kinda lost something and all this cloning a new body shit they’ve done since has been dumb. Of course it makes sense that he would eventually be able to remove the shrapnel but I do believe he should have developed a natural heart condition and deal either health issues related to it as a new unique weakness

>>152632335
>That gay fight club doesn't count.
What about the book club?

>>152628856
Silver Centurion was always too bulky and ugly

>>152633261
She had a book club too? I've completely forgotten that. What we're they reading Fabio books?

>>152630279
I do kinda miss this aspect of him but they do at least occasionally make Harvey act like a good guy, or his demented version of it. Like during No Man’s Land when for a brief time he was a good guy working with Montoya to bring peace and order to the ravaged city.

>>152633255
tony losing power was an arbitrary way to make the stakes of the story go up, similiar to spidey running out of web fluid

but spidey running out of web fluid means creatively using his other powers like super strength or super speed to compensate
iron man running out power just means he has to win immediately or else die and no more comics

>>152632335
Her relationship with Jack is adorable and having a fight club is something very unique to her. Also fun way to have Titania in the book without it being repetitive rival stuff that became stale fast.

>>152633325
When the fuck did Rainbow Rowell lurk on the 4chins?

>>152633255
IIRC Tony's heart injury got dealt with because we reached a point where IRL medical technology was able to deal with the problem, so "why doesn't he just get a heart transplant?" became a question people were asking.

This led to a succession of different health problems Tony went through in the late 80s and early 90s to try and recapture the early dynamic of needing the armor to keep him alive.

>>152633374
real life organ transplant patients do have to suffer with the fear of losing their daily CON save and reject their transplant
the only thing they can really do is take immuno-suppressants to delay the rejection

>>152631298
>I never liked MCU's Doctor Strange because his personality lines up too much with Tony's.
Thats nearly every MCU character post-Avengers but especially post-Age of Ultron. They all have the same personality of either sarcastic quipster or straight man to the sarcastic quipster.

>>152633487
>They all have the same personality of either sarcastic quipster
so the comics?
marvel is a world filled with snarky wiseasses that its a genuine surprise when someone doesnt have a one-liner ready

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>>152633283
It was a side story and not really about the book club anyway, it uses Jen's starting the club as framing for sorting out her situation with Janet and the apartment.

Hulk's skin was specifically so tough adamantium couldn't cut it.
At some point they decided they would rather give him regeneration feats which you don't really have an excuse to show off if his defence is that high.

>>152633550
Sounds thrilling...

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>>152631066
>But it was more popular than is typically portrayed and Wanda and Pietro were especially popular (some transcribed letter columns from early issues are all about fans debating whether or not they should join the X-Men).
Early X-Men isn't anywhere near as bad as X-Men fandom insists it is, but it's true that Wanda and Pietro are by far the most interesting and compelling things about the Lee/Kirby era, two characters who are inherently heroes but trapped on a villain team, they really come into their own when they move to Avengers, and X-Men loses a lot when they're gone. Even at it's worst, it's still an affable Silver Age Marvel book, and the cast are likeable, which is more than you can say about the X-Men now.

>>152631224
On the subject of Scarlet Witch and old gimmicks, Wanda went from struggling to control her powers at all in the 60s to eventually mastering them, and when she first joined the Avengers they put a hard limit on how often she could use her powers in a day and using them would exhaust her, so that she wouldn't overshadow the rest of the team, this limit eventually got dropped by the 70s. Steve Englehart talked about when he started writing Avengers, he was told not to make Wanda too powerful like it'd hurt the book, but he had her get more powerful without taking over the title.

Also for decades Wanda couldn't fly, and only levitate at best, one issue where she was drawn as flying was retconned away as testing an experimental 'flying belt' Tony built, it wasn't until Benis gave Wanda a massive power boost in the 2000s that she started truly flying.

>>152633550
>Fat author writes about food and only food the book.

>>152633478
The question is would you expect comic book writers in the 70s and 80s to know this, and to work it into their stories after the heart transplant was intended at the time to just resolve the problem. By the time Marvel wanted to give Tony health problems again, it was so long afterwards that they probably thought it wouldn't seem realistic for him to suddenly develop problems with the transplant. Even if that does happen IRL, again what were the chances comic book writers would know that?

>>152630279
There was a bit in Brave & The Bold where he flips the coin then helps Batman stop his own bank robbery. Then again, the show was all about the older versions of characters.

The original Human Torch was an android. His first story was about him being built by his creator. This was the version of the character that got reintroduced much later, but throughout almost the entire original Golden Age run the writers completely forgot and treated him like a normal guy who could set himself on fire and fly for no reason.

>>152634458
And he was rebuilt as Vision.

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>>152631541
does anyone remember that post-crisis babs is not actually Gordon's daughter but his adopted niece

>>152634472
I think it was re-retconed.

>>152634465
What did they retcon the original Vision to be then? He's almost as old as the original Torch.

>>152632196
I like the Kirby idea of the small scar.
It really adds to this tragic and delusional element of Doom's character.
The too-hot-mask thing makes for a very visceral panel, but isn't as interesting

>>152633255
I feel like the storyline where he gets the surgery works well. He had deterioration on that front including needing to rework his armor to have much more dedicated to his chest, have the LMD that takes over his life claim that is a key reason why he is more suitable to the role than the original, multiple near-death conditions, and critical failure in the fight in the older armor where he would have died if he didn't go under the knife immediately.
>>152633645
In the original comic after he went under the knife, the doctor mentions the risk of rejection, which might be increased by stress. Of course by comic book standards the following writers decided he needed to wear his armor to regulate his heart at least once a day and he would feel pain in his chest until deciding on a new problem.

>>152631298
Yeah, but as the other anons said that’s more of an MCU problem than a Strange problem specifically.
MCU Strange overwriting comics Strange, is definitely a problem, though. Thanks Aaron

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>>152630199
I like that Dark Knight Returns had a callback to that

>>152632196
Kirby didn't intend that from the start, he and Stan really did want Doom's face completely ruined at first. Kirby came around to the idea Doom just had a minor blemish later on.

>>152632623
He could also intercept radio signals with it. Can't remember if he could broadcast messages, though

>>152633271
So wrong.

>>152630441
Why did they drop the horn-antenna thing? That kicks ass

>>152638190
It was made superfluous because DD's hearing is better than any antenna

>>152628238
>Donald Blake
I miss him so much.

>>152638465
He's still around, he's just an asshole.

>>152638487
Who isn’t nowadays?

>>152627957
At one point he complains the armor was too thin. It was specifically adressed as he was looking for the sweet spot between sturdiness and comfort. I liked it.

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Blade was originally a human who was immune to vampire bites so he became a vampire slayer. His paraphanelia was also more traditional vampure huntery other than just his sword. He had crosses, garlic, etc.

It wasn't until much later that it was revealed he was a Dhampir and thats why he was immune to vampire bites. Specifically it was after Spider-Man: The Animated Series included this origin that the comics followed suit. Then it wasn't until the movie came out that they went full vampire powers with him, fangs, superhuman abilities etc. and he truly became the Daywalker and known as that. The way they did it was have Morbius bite him who is a "sorta not really vampire" and apparently Morbius' virus activated Blade's dormant Dhampir abilities.

So yeah Marvel was synergizing way before the MCU.

>>152636593
>Can't remember if he could broadcast messages, though
PARKER, I NEED TO PLAY THE HITS! MORE ROCK, LESS TALK!

>>152627812
When did Thor having a secret identity as Dr Donald Blake get dropped?

>>152633315
Nah he could escape using rollerskates.

>>152638854
>I liked it.
But was it still science accurate, dough?

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>>152628856
He was the Gunmetal Avenger before he was the Golden Avenger
he should have athousand different suit colors. It's the silhouette, not the colors that matter.

>>152627957
this really was only a thing for the Tuska years, about 68-78

>>152638884
Is this the only example of synergy actually making a character better?

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>>152627812
>gimmicks that were central to the character then got forgotten
To be completely fair, powers, power levels and power gimmicks changed A LOT based on writing bullshit.

>>152638884
>So yeah Marvel was synergizing way before the MCU.
Famously She Hulk was only made in part because Stan was worried that the TV show would introduce a She Hulk, similar to how the Six Million Dollar Man had the Bionic Woman.

And Batgirl (Barbara Gordon) was only introduced into the comics to give the TV show a new female character.

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>>152638931
dropped pretty early on, before the 70s rolled around
Thor only ever really had a secret identity out of tradition along with the rest of the avengers
so he and hulk lost theirs early on

ironically, it was cap and iron man who kept alter-egos for so long

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>>152639082
>Colossus still is a teenager.
When did he became too old to sate Kitty?

>>152639059
Mr. Freeze would be the most famous example

>>152639041
And it scared children so he changed it to a knight's shining heart of gold the second published story.

>>152632196
>It was at least properly acknowledged in Triumph and Torment,
Wasn't that done earlier in Byrne's FF run, as a way of reconciling the Lee and Kirby's different ideas for how scarred Doom should be? Though in a way that made Doom look retarded.

>>152638762
Glob

>>152639332
>Though in a way that made Doom look retarded.
are you talking about putting the mask on before it was cooled?
that was pride, plain and simple

>>152639190
which was really just because the greys and blacks splodged too much in the printing process

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>>152634606
>What did they retcon the original Vision to be then?
Depends on who's writing.
Byrne initially revealed the Torch's creator Phineas Horton to still be alive so he could say Vision wasn't his work and he didn't know anything about him, but never bothered to come up with a new origin and eventually the explanation was just Ultron made Vision out of the Torch's spare parts, which didn't fit with Horton not recognizing the tech.

In the late 90s, Avengers Forever by Busiek and Stern had Immortus cause two divergent versions of the deactivated Torch to exist within the same timeline, so one could become Vision and the other could be buried until Byrne's West Coast Avengers.

Geoff Johns' Vision mini in the early 2000s just had Horton build a prototype android before the Torch, and that was eventually turned into Vision.

Another 'used to be important' thing for Vision was he could only fly while fully intangible, so couldn't carry anything while flying. This occasionally got forgotten by writers, but it seems to have been dropped entirely as a limitation after he was rebuilt in 2011.

>>152638931
>>152639092
He was still using it sporadically into the early 80's. He officially gave up the transformation enchantment by passing it on to Beta Ray Bill in '83. It was however sidelined to a degree after '68 and the big reveal that Blake was a fake persona created by Odin to humble Thor

wolverines claws being implanted in him as part of weapon X was part of his character from his second appearance all the way up to the 90s
before they suddenly about-faced and said he had bone claws that were coated in adamantium instead

>>152628319
and the only time they introduce anything arab later on is a boring character simon baz with shitty writing in one of the worst eras of DC history

if they wanted some arab shit they could have gone to their own roots rather than just adding diversity slop

>>152639525
IIRC in Logan's early appearances under Len Wein, the idea was that his claws were just part of his costume, it even gets referenced in his second storyline in X-Men where they fight the Ani-Men and one of them thinks he's better than Wolverine because his claws are real.

BWS' Weapon X storyline introduced the idea that the Weapon X program didn't implant the claws, they had no idea how or why he had them, several years later this was explained by the reveal of the bone claws.

>>152639463
That he swapped bodies with a self-described more advanced Vision from another universe means his occasional ability to carry while flying might be a result of that for some in-between appearances.

Ant-Man Pym Particles were slow and cumbersome to use, he had to inhale some gas canisters on his belt to change size

>>152639096
The thing is he was 17-18 and then when Kitty was introduced she was 13. The relationship was supposed to be a one side crush between the kid and a cool guy. But then things got weirder.

>>152639093
I better buy more marvel comics because I don't recognize the guy behind wolverine

>>152639594
That was interesting to me, especially since the earlier stories directly said they were implants. I wonder if any marvel employees thought his mutation just being senses, strength, and healing was dumb.

>>152639656
Shroud? Or Hawkeye?

>>152639656
That's the Shroud, anon.

>>152639622
He was of legal drinking age, so there was enough of an age gap that Marvel's EIC demanded they be broken up. While Kitty was 14, Colossus was talking about how they'd already be married if he was back home.

>>152639706
I've managed to avoid the shroud all this time.

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>>152629643
How did astrally projecting into women's showers tie into his personal growth and enlightenment?

>>152627812
This isn't something I think they've actually changed, but I'm curious. Did DC ever make Thanagarian's wings organic and naturally part of their bodies? It seems like something they'd do.

>>152639525
Even then the animated series and X2 still implied weapon x gave him the claws

>>152639896
strangelektra is a surprisingly good pairing

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>>152639896
>from the early 60s until at least the late 80s
>posts a page from the 90s
Bravo, anon.

>>152627830
Transistors were the nanobots of their day.
Then microchips were the nanobots of their day.

>>152640395
the animated series lifted the line straight from the comics: "aint nothing mutant about these powers"
it was actually plot relevant in the savage land where it allowed them all to escape despite having their mutant powers suppressed

>>152639896
>Peter Milligan

Fucking douchebag

>>152639059
Basically every character that showed up in btas.

>>152631298
I really miss the old Dr. Strange's formality. It set him apart, it showed that he wasn't the asshole he used to be and that Marvel magic require intense discipline. Also Cumberbach could have absolutely sold it.

But nah, just make him magic Tony Stark. It also didn't help that the script was written by an asshole who seemed to have a serious axe to grind against Stan Lee and Ditko.

>>152634705
>>152635762
In one of the old FF letter columns Stan wrote something along the lines of "Ever notice that the FF have seen Doom without his mask but haven't reacted in shock? There is a reason for that..."

>>152639332
Yeah it was a Bryne thing.
>>152639435
>that was pride, plain and simple
Yeah it tracks with Doom's egotism

>>152632206
>Dick was her intern

...
Nah, too easy.

>>152639059
batman getting a grappling hook launcher in 1989 being ported to the comics
jimmy olsen from the radio show and flight from the animated serials

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>>152639059
The Gotham we have today was directly a result of the Burton movies, though the comics chose the dumbest and most desperate way possible to do it by making a crazy terrorist blow up the modern Gotham skyline and reveal the Anton Furst buildings behind them

>>152641738
Thats just how the MCU is, almost every MCU movie follows the MCU formula. It was better when the characters were all more distinct. Tony, Thor, Steve, etc. Now you're either:
>Quipper (Tony, Star Lord, Dr Strange, Ant Man etc.)
>Straight Man to the Quipper (Rhodey, Gamora, Wong, Wasp)
>Adorable "Innocent" Woobie (MCU Spidey, Mantis, Cosmo)
>Slapstick silly man (Modern Thor, Drax, Red Guardian)

Those are the only four personality types in the MCU.

>>152642474
This

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only MvC ever did the modular armors modular gimmick justice
he barely used it in the show

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>>152627812
Peter can pulse his Spider-Sense to feel life signs. He used to do this before coming home and checking if he needed to swap outfits.

>>152639423
Glob who?
From the Adventure Time?

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>>152645196
Glob Herman, the chef.

>>152633034
I think she looks cute in the posted page

>>152639059
>implying ditching classic vampire hunter gear is a good thing

>>152645617
She looks like she doesn't have a single thought in head.

>>152645661
Well duh she's disoriented from having a bunch of news sprung on her right on her first morning back at work.

>>152645752
>Oh no my life is so overwhelming!
>Every single She-Hulk story post 2000.
I'm sick of it.

>>152641949
looks amazing and very comicbook-y.

>>152638884
Rocking that chin beard. Also, Vampirism working like a disease is very true to Bram Stroker's Dracula. In fact, the book made it ambiguous if the Vampirism was really satanism or a product of alchemy, which is presented as the equivalent of a scientist.

Anything else that isn't Marvel or DC comics related?

>>152641036
Then turned out that Nanobots were a scam.

>>152630441
Damn, glad they dropped that. I don't feel like Matt works as an inventor/tinkerer.

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>>152649014
Yeah really, it really was kind of shameless, here's his utility cane

>>152649083
Yeesh.

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>>152639082
BLACKAGAR, YOU CAN'T SAY THAT! THERE ARE KIDS READING THIS BOOK!

>>152644334
Power nullifying is often bullshit, when the powers are just part of an alien species natural biology or what have you.
It might as well take away the human body's ability to process oxygen.

>>152649559
You aren't supposed to think about how it works.

>>152627812
Captain America being a McCarthyite.

>>152649626
Do you mean William Burnside, or something else?

>>152641910
>jimmy olsen from the radio show and flight from the animated serials

Also kryptonite! No wait, that's not a positive.

>>152642474
You forgot Badass Chick.

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Kamala Khan had plastic man level shapeshifting and a healing factor capable of repairing a gunshot to the heart before her knees hit the ground. Eventually they said her "molecules settled" and she can no longer fully shapeshift and her healing factor is seemingly gone since she died to a stab in the chest she previously healed from immediately.

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>>152627812
I'm not sure if I'd say they were "central" but I miss Spider-Tracers and the Spider-Signal a lot

>>152649804
>the Spider-Signal

Did he ever officially drop that or is it still technically on his belt?

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Dear autists of /co/,

You guys would make one hell of a comic book. I'd hate to hear your arguments in the editorial dept though. I think some of you would kill each other.

Love,
Me

>>152649835
I would assume he still has both, he just never uses them. The signal in particular was really a way he would announce himself to criminals but I can't even remember the last time a story had him go on patrol and deal with a petty mugging or something like that

>>152649924
Comics kind of power creep'd petty crimes in general.

>>152649942
I blame decompression more than power creep. They don't want to dedicate time to some "inconsequential" adventure unless it directly ties into the big storyline they're telling. Same thing goes for having the civilian life get any kind of spotlight (unless a supporting cast member will soon be getting powers or is otherwise heavily tied to a character with powers)
I hate decompression so much it's unreal

>>152649924
NYC has a lot less street crime per capita nowadays than forty years ago. It's kind of a problem for writing these street vigilantes.

>>152649999
these are fictitious stories and marvel people all around are notorious for being shitty

>>152627812
>Black panther stole iron man's gimmick

Fuck niggers

>>152649804
Spider-Tracers are great and should come back, but the Spider-Signal is stupid.

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Just some fun facts about Gambit in his first appearance- his powers were quite different to what they became a little after that till now.

In his first appearance, even his basic power of kinetic energy did not function they way it does now. Instead of being powered through touch or tactile contact, it was instead powered through his eyes. His eyes fired a colored green beam of energy to charge the object, which he would then throw at an opponent. After Claremont left, his powers were silently changed, to the point where hardly anyone even realizes what his initial power was.

Another thing that was removed away was his hypnotic charm. This charm was only channeled through his voice(not through any other way) but after his first appearance, it was silently memory holed away into not existing. In fact, it is never used again in his entire character history, probably because writers like Nicieza realized its cooler if he's charming like a movie hero than it being any sort of power. Austen brings it up once, but no one else ever has.

Basically, his original powers were different in every way to what they almost immediately then became.

Just thought it was rather interesting to mention.

>>152650122
Guess that makes sense if originally he was supposed to be a bad guy then he got less evil-looking powers.

>>152650122
Nicieza sort of brought back Gambit's remote eye-charging in the Gambit solo series when he dramatically boosted Gambit's power up to Omega level.

>>152628238
makes sense they crossovered recently

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Ahura, Black Bolt's son originally had the same powers as Black Bolt.

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>>152651744
Then in his very next appearance he got aged up and had completely different with pic related being the only explanation given
>a little bit of terrigen that made him age faster (but conveniently stop at like 9)
>changed his voice powers into a psionic thing called the evil eye that destroyed what ever he looked at
>also some telapathy and TK later

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>>152651776
But then he got hit Terrigen again and now has the power to split soul into copies

>>152651744
>>152651776
>>152651809
>inb4 this is retconned into magic like Wanda’s unexplainable bullshit was

>>152650026
Speaking of Nick-Gurs
What does Black Panther have with his early gimmick?

>>152630225
If only MoM would've been what the early drafts were pointing towards. I'm so fucking sad I will never see Nightmare in a movie.

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What kind of gimmick did he have in the early comics before the MCU synergy?

>>152653748
He's Jungle Batman. He only got into more and more tech as time went by. He eventually is on Tony's level tech wise and he put the Silver Surfer in a headlock, a supposed impossible task.

>>152653748
The major changes actually happened before the MCU. One such being that they worshipped the great mound but weren't using vibranium for anything until Klaw showed up. then they were basically in an industrial revolution on crack. They went from tribesmen to advance tech in T'challa's lifetime and T'challa was at the forefront of this. Also while Vibranium was really good and added some advantages that nobody else had they weren't considered the most advanced city on earth, that was actually Attilan for the longest time. It wasn't until Hudlin that suddenly Wakanda has been super advanced for thousands of years and has the best tech on the planet.

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>>152627812

Hulk could originally fly, which they explained as him being able to change direction by flexing his muscles. It was later changed to his familiar bounding along so he basically pulled a reverse Superman.

>>152650122
I distinctly remember something about Gambit being so powerful that he asked Sinister to reduce his power so he doesn't blow up everything he touches? And there was at least one alt universe version of him that had universe buster level powers.

Also at some point he was rumoured to be the third Summers brother so the eye beam thing was maybe related.

I do remember he used to have charm powers, and he used it on Nanny once (a very very old lady in an egg-shaped robot body, their MO was capturing mutants, infantilize their minds and make them loyal loving children, then put them into robot bodies so they help her gather more "orphan children". Probably not even the weirdest Claremont villains...).

>>152639622
>The relationship was supposed to be a one side crush between the kid and a cool guy. But then things got weirder.

Just shortly after they met, they got stuck in space implanted with Alien chestburster equivalents and basically they had hours to live and Kitty was practically begging Peter that she doesn't want to die a virgin, and Peter still said sorry you are only a child.

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I remember when Wolverine was just supposed to heal slightly faster, giving him superhuman stamina, ability to fight off poisons in a matter of hours, and be able to survive worse wounds than a human. But it still took him serious time to get back on his feet.

For example picrel very nearly killed him Yukio had to bandage him up and take him to an idyllic village retreat to care for him, and it took him weeks if not months to heal. A week before the wound he could barely walk and had to use a stick to balance himself.

There were also so many storylines where he was killed via some explosion or force beams burning away all his flesh, leaving only the adamantium skeleton behind (Days of Future Past, in the Hulk Maestro story where his skeleton was among other hero trophies, etc).
Then he got amped so much in the 00s that he could regenerate in seconds from being literally nuked at point blank range.

Also, if his healing powers were taken away, he slowly started dying, in some stories it was adamantium poisoning, in others the metal prevented his bones from producing some stuff it normally does.
Then he had the metal taken out and eventually his healing power became so insane the only way to kill him would be decapitation. Then Apocalypse put the metal back in, but this time it was fixed adamantium, so he could get the metal skeleton AND the crazy healing.

Also, his claws were at first thought to be part of the metal they put inside him, not his mutation. When his mutant powers were taken, he could still pop the claws (but it made his hands bleed). And in his original appearance vs the Hulk, his claws were just part of his gloves.

Wolverines backstory is so fucked up.

>>152654214
XTAS/X97 is one of the few holdouts of slow-healing wolverine, especially after the 2000s movies embedded speed healing

>>152654214
I was confused at first, because I remembered him making a downright impossible recovery in 1993 after Magneto ripped all the Adamantium from his body, but then I realized that that was the original justification for his healing factor getting better, and I guess writers just decided to stick with that regeneration level even after he got the Adamantium back.

>>152654338
he was also bed-ridden and in the ICU for a while after such a traumatic injury that people were worried he wasnt going to make it even with the healing factor

>>152654347
Yeah, but he walked it off.

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>>152649802
they changed in the second run of the comic when they said that she just borrows molecules from different multiverese versions of herself
It was a soft reboot and i didnt really like it but it was fine at the time because she still had most of her regular shapeshifiting powers and the storys where still mainly humeros but after that they stated to drop of in quality and i stopped caring
It was a shame because she was my favorite character during that time anmd her comics where funny and i enjoyed them

>>152654362
its still a pretty far cry from how his healing factor works these days, where damage is repaired in seconds

>>152654214
brutal panel, thanks for posting.

>>152654145
>I distinctly remember something about Gambit being so powerful that he asked Sinister to reduce his power so he doesn't blow up everything he touches? And there was at least one alt universe version of him that had universe buster level powers.
That was the Gambit solo book by Nicieza in the late 1990s.

>>152654145
>Also at some point he was rumoured to be the third Summers brother so the eye beam thing was maybe related.
This was a plot Nicieza started in 1993, well after the comics had stopped doing the Gambit eye beam thing. There was never anything in the comics even hinting Gambit had any connection to that plot, it was just a popular fan-theory that Wizard magazine was pushing really hard. Nicieza always intended for it to be Adam-X the X-Treme.

>>152654169
>and Peter still said sorry you are only a child.
>and also said if they were back in his country they'd be married by now
>and was also starting to take his clothes off
He was giving really mixed messages there.

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>>152647925
There's Transformers, with all the superpowers they had in early G1 that were quietly dropped, most notably flight being a universal ability.
And Roller, remember Roller?

>>152654924
one quirk of G1 was that "energon" was simply a simply a convenient high-density energy storage but was not itself the source of the energy
megatrons plan was to use earths energy sources to create the energon, you could use hydropower to create energon
they often charged themselves directly from electrical grids without turning it into energon first, in fact

it wasnt until later on that energon was turned into an irreplaceable form of unobtanium that was uniquely important to transformer physiology
they couldnt just charge themselves from an electrical outlet, they needed energon

though amusingly, energon being their stand-in for money survived past G1 and they even doubled down on it

>>152654214
I don't think anyone remembers 90s bandana-mask feral Wolverine either

>>152654601
>This was a plot Nicieza started in 1993, well after the comics had stopped doing the Gambit eye beam thing. There was never anything in the comics even hinting Gambit had any connection to that plot, it was just a popular fan-theory that Wizard magazine was pushing really hard. Nicieza always intended for it to be Adam-X the X-Treme.

Didn't Claremont himself make Gambit a Summers brother (or at least a Scott/Sinister hybrid) in X-Men: The End? Not that that's canon, of course.

>>152654214
Also, Len Wein imagined Wolvie as a 19 something young adult since he was already decided to include him in the X-men. Then Chris Claremont saw a sketch by Cockrum with a old guy Wolverine and decided it was more interesting (it was).

>>152653376
Yeah a horror movie would have been great but the final product was an obvious mess full of production fuckery. It was 1/4 a retelling of Wandavision, 1/4 usual Marvel slop, 1/4 Horror movie and 1/4 Cameo fest.

>>152654214
Deadpool is similar. In at least one comic from the early or mid 2000s wolverine decapitated him and told Bob that if he wants Wade to live to put it back on so he doesn't die from oxygen deprivation. Now deadpool is as ludicrously unkillable as lobo, though doesn't thanos have something to do with it, like lobo how can't die because the afterlife doesn't want him?

>>152630441
>>152649083
Yeah this is definitely that early weirdness where we are trying to figure out what works and what doesn't.

>>152656602
>>152630441
>>152649083
i don't have a picture but there was also that extremely brief time DD had that gay little fanny pack around his neck that he stored his clothes in

>>152656613
That sure feels like gimmick that ends up in disaster after 2 or 3 issues. Wouldn't be surprised if Stan just reused the web pack idea from Spider-Man.

>>152630441
Doing gymnastics while wearing sunglasses kek

>>152654338
When Mags ripped the adamantium off, Logan was bleeding out and his healing couldn't close the wounds. Eventually he healed but it burnt out his healing factor and he only healed at normal human rate for a while. He started popping his claws on a regular basis so his flesh would heal around the holes they leave when breaking his skin, because they left him bleeding every time. It also presented him with a new mystery, because he always thought his claws were Weapon X implants but now he had bone claws so they must've been natural (he still had amnesia at the time).

After House of M his amnesia was cured, and when Scott and Emma mentions this to SHIELD, there's a follow up page of governments burning classified papers all over the world from washington to moscow to peking.

>>152655322
Yeah I remember in the early Marvel run, the Decepticons took over an oil refinery and bitched that all that fuel could barely make six energon cubes. Then they tried harvesting sonic energy from a Bruce Springsteen concert and convert it to energon cubes.

It was also very, very common to shoot an energon cube, either to block an incoming shot or to create a huge blinding light they can use to escape.

>>152656442
>though doesn't thanos have something to do with it, like lobo how can't die because the afterlife doesn't want him?

I recall there was but not the details.

Speaking of Thanos, there was a mini in the early 00s where Thanos did some thingamajing with Death that resulted in dying no longer being a revolving door, and death becoming permanent, because Death herself had some problem which is why everyone kept getting resurrected. Yeah, that did not last very long.

Also Lobo used to be able to regrow not only himself from a single drop of blood, but also whenever he shed blood, they regrew to a clone of himself. Vril Dox II of LEGION removed this ability from him (after using it to beat an army). A few of the clones from that fight survived, one tried killing Lobo but failed, another one failed to grow to adulthood and was stuck as a teen, he was called Slobo and joined the Teen Titans / Young Justice.

>>152632145
Anyone who thinks x-men is a rip off of doom patrol doesn't know shit about either one except they are freaks led by a guy in a wheel chair.

>>152630441
The early 00s Daredevil movie got this part at least partially; he had a hidden part of his home that housed a sensory depravation chamber, because his senses were so strong that at night when people were quiet, he could hear anything that happened in the city all too clearly. He literally had to sleep in a coffin to get any peace.

They also did a pretty good job of showing his radar senses too, an underground railway going past caused him huge pain and he had to smash his club on the steel wall to clear up his radar sense.
And that scene where he could "see" Electra's face in the rain because of all the raindrops falling on her created sound reflections.

And oh yeah, in the comics he used to date Black Widow, then Bullseye killed her (or tried killing her but hit a fake dummy instead).

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>>152654565
>brutal panel, thanks for posting.

Wolverine getting fucked up is always great.

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I mean it literally happens every day of the week.

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In fact, Wolverines sexual fantasies often involve getting beaten up as well.

Note the X thing in the back, which the Reavers used to put him on a cross and then leave him burning in the Australian desert sun. Yeah, that's one of Wolverine's sexual fantasies.

Also x-men used to be based in the Australian Outback at one point, in a formers Reaver base. And the entire world also thought they were dead, and as a special gift they could not be recorded electrically (they appeared blank in camera footage).

>>152648014
>were a scam
next issue, Iron-man armor is powered by Starklink!

>>152657192
what's this nigga need to fantasize about, despite being a hairy-assed foul tempered manlet he's had sex with a ton of beautiful and sexy women, consensually on their part even.

>>152657226
Those are all women he can't get. Mystique is a lesbian and usually tries killing the X-men, Emma is with Scott (also remember, she's a professional dominatrix), with Squirrel Girl they mutually agreed to not meet again, Spiral is from Mojoworld and for all I know may not even have genitals, and Jessica Jones is busy getting nigger cock.

But the interesting part is that his fantasies always involve getting HURT.

>>152657421
>Mystique is a lesbian
She didn't tell that to Sabertooth

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>>152657421
me too

>>152657421
>Spiral is from Mojoworld and for all I know may not even have genitals
She's an altered earth human. (I wish they'd kept her a creation of the spineless ones though)

>>152653814
>he put the Silver Surfer in a headlock, a supposed impossible task.
That was in the 2000s run, and even that run was past its prime, though. (It might have been even in the F4 title)

>>152653748
Adding to what the other anons said, in the first solo stories he was always fighting wild animals to save the tribesmen or in the trial to become the Black Panther. The stories were pretty badass.

>>152657421
>Spiral is from Mojoworld and for all I know may not even have genitals
Only if they went in a "we have to keep it a child-friendly franchise" direction at the time, over there.

>>152657148
are those panels from astonishing spider-man and wolverine?

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>>152658619
Based on the filename I'm guessing they are from the early 00s Wolverine ongoing.

>>152656613
>>152656691
Actually checked and he deployed that pack in issue 3 only to drop it right in the next issue

>>152658751
Does Wolverine have unlimited sexual stamina?

>>152659558
Certainly way more than a normal man(let).

>>152657466
he raped her!

>>152658751
It is from that era, Wolverine was being spammed so much that during AvsX fans joked about how each side would have its own Wolverine, with a third neutral one doing his own thing.

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>>152659747
Indeed.

>>152657094
>too much pride can kill a man
>go on, tell them how you were beaten by a blind man

>>152659724
Is that a retcon?

>>152657136
Man I had a whole folder of Wolverine getting his ass beat. I love the guy but him getting beat up is always a treat same as Vegeta

>>152659724
This, and Christian Wagner and Azazel and alt-universe Wolverine and Bobby Drake (gay btw) and Forge and Charlie Cluster-7 also took advantage of her against her wishes, and Gambit came onto her like a pervert while he was naked in the shower.

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>>152660672
I wish you still had it and could post some examples. Wolverine getting beaten the fuck up is so hilarious.

>>152660918
The Van Dyne Special

>>152660999
>But this is a kiiick...

>>152660999
>I resent that.

>>152630279
Wasted potential to not write him like this more often.

>>152654924
While the first 16 episodes are collectively referred to as Season 1, the opening 3 parter was produced as a miniseries that was broadcast a month or so before the following 13 episodes, and there are some discrepancies between it and the rest of the season, most notably the Autobots being able to fly in robot mode, and the miniseries ending with a new ship being built for the Autobots to return home in.

>>152655949
In X-Men: The End, Claremont was trying to revisit some of his original ideas for Sinister and Gambit as much as was possible within the boundaries of what later writers had established about them after he'd left in 1991 with both of them still complete mysteries back then. But even with that in mind, I have no idea why in that AU story he decided to have Sinister use Cyclops' DNA in the creation of Gambit, like he was pointlessly giving validation to a dumb fan-theory about a storyline from the years when he wasn't at Marvel and by his own admission wasn't paying attention to what was going on in the books. Claremont doing that ended up making a number of readers think the 'third Summers brother' plot really was meant to have been about Gambit, even though it wasn't. We even have a resident schizo here who brings it up periodically.

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>>152653748
Something is it always forgotten is that Vibranium has mutagenic properties. The heart shape herb that makes BP his slightly super human abilities is is a regular ass plant that gets mutated by being near the great mound. T'challa's brother here got mutated into a weird pink monster from touching the stuff. This shit just stop coming as the weaved vibranium into basically every aspect of of Wakanda. Jason Aaron had T'challa put that shit on his teeth.

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>>152662023
>You'll regret that slur, N'gassi!

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>>152660918
It really is.

>>152660736
I get that this is a joke, but I can sadly see Marvel trying something like this. They're delusional about Mystique and Destiny being a beloved couple, desperate to push them as their answer to Harley & Ivy, so there's been a real effort to downplay Mystique being a bisexual who's taken miles and miles of dick over the years.

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Frank in the early days was pretty much a normal guy It wasn't until the 2000s when he became the avatar of Death.

>>152627812
this is from the other side of /co/ but luanne from king of the hill being a gifted mechanic, I think it comes up a single time in the latter seasons

>>152653814
Was before vibranium became magic super tech too

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Arno Stark, the Iron Man of 2020, used to be Tony's second cousin but then, for no reason at all, he became Tony's brother and then he became the one, true Stark.

>>152662581
*I know it's not a gimmick, I just think it's weird that they changed his familial relation to Tony.

>>152662581
Cultural shifts, there are a lot more single children whose both parents are also single children.
The concept of cousins kind of died.

>>152662581
>Tony Stark looks exactly like Howard Stark
>they share a number of traits, including both being geniuses and alchoholics
>Gillen makes Tony adopted for reasons
>Everyone expects Bendis will just ignore it, but he doubles down on it
>Everyone expects Slott will undo this retcon but he doubles down on it
>Slott also does an Iron Man 2020 story in 2020 but it sucked
The more popular Iron Man got IRL the worse his comics got.

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>>152662626
And despite all this, the MCU tried to push the villainous Riri Williams over Arno as Tony's replacement, even though Arno is cooler, IMO.

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>>152628319
The Green Lantern ring in the Silver Age was also basically able to do anything and wasn't limited to green constructs.

>>152662698
>Monkey Lantern
I am amused.

>>152662676
And despite all the retarded crap done to Iron Man in the 2000s and 2010s, the average Iron Man comics reader is more likely to still be complaining about a 1995 story that affected Tony for less than a year than about any of this.

>>152662698
>Animorphs

>>152662785
Oh, do people still talk about The Crossing? IMO, I thought Busiek retconning it in Avengers Forever as a scheme of Immortus was better than Tony going evil just because.