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>>152680830
I always thought Earth X's big final battle between Galactus and The Celestials had some cool scenes.

>>152680830
I mean, most manga/anime can't, it's why Naruto is well known and something like Buso Renkin is obscure. Don't know why you're trying to make it an East vs West thing.

>>152680830
Kys, faggot.

>>152680830
It's a damn shame too.
This could be a possibility, but not enough people give a shit.
>>152680920
There are a few cool fights here and there, but not nearly enough considering overwhelming saturation of the genre.
>>152680955
There are many manga, not all of them super well known, with similar creative and cool fights.

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Is there a name for this demographic that only "consumes" shonenshit and capeshit, but in this very secondary way where they don't really engage with the actual source material(s) at all?

>>152681229
Normies.

>>152680830
The business model for American comics doesn't allow this

>>152680830
What do we do?

>>152680920
Tony's Selfish Giant part is one of my favorites.

>>152682484
suggests something is wrong with the model, no? It's sort of ridiculous to not be able to artistically flex from time to time for a visual medium largely revolving around action

>>152681229
Hood weeb, but you can't say it without twitter calling you a racist.

>>152681229
/v/

>>152683489
But you are a racist

>>152683486
>It's sort of ridiculous to not be able to artistically flex from time to time for a visual medium largely revolving around action
i think what happens is that the west, people get too caught up on the logic/realism or intent behind something which causes them to refrain from doing any ambitious looking artwork
I remember a thread a while that was talking about how western shows refuse to use any perspective shots or use different camera techniques
And some anons responses were because the scene didn't call for it

>>152680830
Cant you people start posting actual good manga atleast instead of shit made for 12 year old boys

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>>152680830
You have to look for it.

>>152683977
Stfu, weak faggot
>>152683784
Cope

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>>152680830
Does Radiant count as a western comic book? It's French.

>>152681229
Hood weebs, essentially any and all persons who picked up anime during or after covid.

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>>152684020
this is manga

>>152684001
This looks really fucking bad

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>>152684032
It's called bande dessinée you uncultured swine.

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>>152680830
Yeah, western comic books got better

>>152684003
You are trying too hard

>>152684001
Can't even tell whats happening here

>>152684192
No

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>>152684032
Do you really think so? Well then, go post it on /a/.

>>152681229
Capeshit varies depending on the writer, but this is absolutely what shonen is about, dont get confused now. Unless its moreso seinen pretending its shonen like HxH or Vinland Saga

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>>152684248
>seinen pretending its shonen like HxH or Vinland Saga

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God bless Tony Valente for creating Radiant and shutting up all weeaboos forever with their east vs west faggotry

>>152681229
Like others said hood weebs, but you could also include tiktoktards (basically teenagers) that app is designed for shallow and quick content, so people that use it can only engage with media in the most shallow of ways. It’s why the worst posts on this site usually come from iPhone too

>>152684020
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>>152684303
This looks like ass compared to the one in the OP.

>>152684351
>faggot OP has faggot opinions
we know

>>152684368
I'm not OP nor a faggot, but I have eyes.

>>152684384
You are clearly a faggot with shit taste, very common disease on 4chan.

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>>152684384
Get your eyesight checked because Tony's art is fantastic, and I say this as a huge weeb myself.

>>152684413
Nah.
>>152684424
>I say this as a huge weeb myself.
Is that supposed to count for something? You're clearly not qualified.
I see you stopped posting completed pages.

>>152684424
His style is really good but art alone isn't enough. OP pic is impressive because of the context. Madara was a huge meme for a reason.

>>152684451
I'm not going to start an argument with someone who's clearly wrong. Between shonen manga, Radiant is better than Naruto. You can think otherwise and you would be wrong.

>>152683479
Leave it to the billionaire to buy the world a little more time.

>>152684482
>OP pic is impressive because of the context
If you don't know the context, that just means you've never read Radiant. It's free and up to date on Mangadex.

>>152684482
But also, the art is significantly better.
>>152684486
I KNOW that's not the case.

>>152684424
>Ripping off Invincible

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>>152684513
You don't know shit, fag.

>LOL LE EPIC EAST VS WEST THREAD
Scientific studies have provided irrefutable evidence that trolls are extremely severely mentally ill, dopamine addicted sociopaths.
https://www.theconversation.com/amp/new-research-shows-trolls-dont-just-enjoy-hurting-others-they-also-feel-good-about-themselves-145931
Therefore, each and every single troll both needs, and deserves to be subjected to immediate, involuntary and indefinite institutinalization not only for their own good, but for the greater good of human civilization.
Also, trolling is against Global Rule 3, raiding is against Global Rule 4, and spamming is against Global Rule 10.
Fulfill your civic duty by reporting this thread as soon as possible and as much as possible, /co/mrades.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=152680830" target="_blank">https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=152680830

>>152680830
>pic related level of creativity

This is basic bitch fantasy ninja shit. You only think it's unique because of how uncultured you are. You're like a baby who's never seen that cone with colored rings becore and think it's the most mesmerizing and interesting thing in the world

>>152684602
>Basic ninja shit
>Ninja
There is nothing "ninja" about Naruto, retard

>>152684493
Hell yeah brother

>>152684560
Based retard
>>152684617
Sure thing, glue-muncher

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>>152684451
>you stopped posting completed pages
Just say that you want more, always happy to post cool stuff on /co/. Torque is cool.

>>152684020
>>152684139
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>>152684424
>>152684661
>Not a single interesting design
No wonder why no one know about this.

>>152684661
The question is: why isn't this as good as Naruto or other big battle shonen manga? What's missing?
He obviously has some skill, but none of his pages look as good. Is it a lack of assistants?

>>152684697
We aren't talking about your webcomic, anon.

>>152684698
It’s about on par with most lower range manga action.
Naruto is, despite criticisms, popular for a reason. It’s a better example of action manga and this recognized as such. Most manga wouldn’t achieve its level of popularity or have the skill behind it.

>>152684741
My webcomic will be HUGE

>>152683489
Thanks I'll call them nigger weebs instead.

>>152684864
>It’s about on par with most lower range manga action.
Yeah, that seems about right.

>>152684697
Wrong, faggot

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>>152680830
Wrong

I hate all the east vs west shit though cause this guy is a huge weeb like me too. I found a hidden tetsujin 28 head pop out of shark guts in this issue.

>>152680830
Naruto wasn't all that great. Compared to its contemporaries it played things too safe and didn't bother to challenge or redefine what manga could be. And someone really should have told Kishimoto to stop using those god awful markers to color his manga. They're fucking trash that makes his art look even worse.

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>>152684864
You mean something like Fairy Tail and Eyeshield 21? That's still insanely popular, anon. And I named those two specifically because Mashima and Murata are fans of Radiant.

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>>152680830
K6BD, when Abbadon is going hard instead of sticking his head up his ass.

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>>152684913
Storytime I guess.

>>152681171
>There are many manga, not all of them super well known, with similar creative and cool fights.
Not with the hype, aura, and iconic clear choreography that Naruto does. Otherwise, they'd be as popular as Naruto.

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>>152684937
Fuck off, Narutard; go back to being insulted on /a/.

>>152681229
Secondaries.

>>152684899
Naruto was way more entertaining than Bleach tho. The most iconic things about Bleach were the pages without backgrounds.

>>152684698
>why isn't this as good as Naruto or other big battle shonen manga?
It is though? /co/ loves to hate on anything that falls outside their demented definition of western comic.

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>>152684941

>>152681229
American Dragon Ball fans.

>>152684944
/a/ kind of likes Naruto now.

>>152684899
Kishimoto is one of the cleanest and most technical artists who ever worked in shonen manga. I know you're trying to be a cool guy hipster bro, but let's all just be real with ourselves- Naruto is a massive IP years after it ended mainly due to the art of Kishimoto.

>>152684919
Anon those are both done by notable creators and translated internationally, they’re not lower range at all. They stood out enough to be exported, or were done by notable creators. That’s stand out.

>>152684958
It was cool to hate Naruto 10+ years ago. Now it has become a beloved iconic classic and even the haters can't deny how iconic and influential it is.

>>152684977
Kys, autist.

>>152684944
You sound like a 40+ year old boomer, several years behind the times.

>>152684950
Comparing Bleach and Naruto is low hanging fruit. Compare it to other Shonen manga that actually gave a shit about trying to do something different like Ashita no Joe, Jojo, or Dragon Ball.
>>152684964
Not true but go ahead and explain

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>>152684899
What is the Bleach equivalent of this?

>>152684937
Eh, it's not that simple. What magazine you're getting published in makes a big difference. If Naruto wasn't in WSJ, it wouldn't be as big as it was.

>>152684985
You sound like a cock-gobbling faggot.

>>152684993
Naruto, Bleach and One piece were contemporary. They were the big three. Comparing them is natural.

>>152684996
>Big Frogs with clothes on and Naruto
>This is supposed to be brand new cutting edge manga that no one else would dare to do

hoo boy

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>>152684965
>Anon those are both done by notable creators and translated internationally
Anon this will shock you but Radiant is translated internationally too, I don't just mean Viz or europoor editions, Murata demanded a published Japanese edition.

>>152684977
It's a nostalgia thing. Even people who like Naruto could write you a laundry list of glaring flaws. Though that's true of basically every major battle shounen since forever.

I'll never read manga no matter how much you try to shill it.

>>152685039
Yeah and it has an anime, I know. I’m defending it, anon. I’m saying it’s perfectly as fine as any mid-level manga. Not top tier, but not everything will be.

>>152684993
Naruto is the spiritual successor of Dragon Ball. You're trying to be a cool guy hipster but you sound like an out of touch boomer.
>>152684982
>>152685001
You're autistic.
>>152684999
Why was it in WSJ? How did it get there? Why wasn't it canceled early if it was so terrible and generic?

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>>152684965
>those are both done by notable creators and translated internationally, they’re not lower range at all. They stood out enough to be exported, or were done by notable creators. That’s stand out.
Ah. Like this you mean?

>>152680830
Yes, since the new millennium they stopped trying to make good fights.

Your thread is off topic faggot go back to your circle jerk on /a/

>>152685042
People are able to recognize the greatness of Naruto now that it stopped being cool and trendy to hate on it. Bleach is the opposite- it was cool to like bleach at the time, and the internet used to say dumb shit like Kubo is a better artist and writer than Kishimoto. Now, Naruto is still extremely popular and beloved, while bleach is basically forgotten.

>>152685032
Tbf, how many (for lack of a better term) “epic guys media” would unapologetically use frogs and not some more traditional “cool” animal instead?

>>152685052
>the spiritual successor of Dragon Ball

Not with that garbage paneling it isn't

>>152685048
Mid-level manga don't get two seasons anime. Radiant is top tier, it's only penalized by not being japanese because people still seethe at the idea of a successful manga not being japanese.

>>152685052
>Why was it in WSJ?
Because Shueisha wanted to publish it.
>How did it get there?
Shonen's target demographic liked the pilot chapter and wanted more
>Why wasn't it canceled early if it was so terrible and generic?
Because it was popular.

>>152680830
This looks really stupid and badly drawn however. Pretty much any western fight mogs it.

>>152685052
>You're autistic.
You are
>>152685067
Fucking hell, shut up, bitch.

>>152680830
Pretty much, the east has always been better at straight fight scenes, for obvious reasons

>>152685032
Nobody in history said that was edgy, you mentally retarded clown

>>152685077
Contrarian fag
>>152685071
Nice contrarianism

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>>152681229
blacks

>>152685067
So this is a thread you made because you dislike bleach? You're a faggot. Go to /a/ and make a naruto thread.

>>152685076
>Because Shueisha wanted to publish it.
Why did they decide this was the IP to promote in their flagship magazine?

>>152685077
Nope, you have shitty taste

>>152685085
Pick a vocabulary, Jamarcus

>>152685094
I didn't make the thread, schizo.

>>152685091
Anime has never had a good fight

>>152685103
>doulind down on your contrianism

>>152685085
>Has Bleach ever done anything like THIS?
>It's just a basic character group shot but with FROGS

Kubo can draw character group shots too btw. A lot of manga artists can.

>>152684698
I haven't read it but if I had to guess it probably doesn't have an easily scalable way to resonate with people. Naruto is child soldiers with memorable designs, a bunch of unique skills and characteristics to go along with solid action. It's an interesting setup and it hooks people even though it arguably devolves as it goes on. Hero Academy got popular for similar reasons

>>152685067
The only favor that time has done for Naruto is make people forget about it.

I would storytime Radiant regularly if there were no captcha to slow shit down to the point of making storytimes impossible.
>buy a pass
Hahaha no.

>>152685116
Its the truth

>>152685103
Don't be retarded

>>152685128
Absolutely wrong, you megafaggot

>>152685126
/co/ doesn't like storytimes and /a/ will ban you for posting it.

For anyone here that hasn't read Naruto (or that much manga to begin with) and is being lead to believe it's good or its art is the best art manga can offer. It's fucking not. Literally just google Vagabond or Akira.

>>152685095
Because Kishi was willing to bow to the editor's whims. You'd be amazed how far that gets you in the business.

>>152685138
>>152685143
Well ive never seen a single one that I thought was cool. Most of them are just retards talking about their abilities.

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>yesterday’s thread about the quality of /co/ got raided by the retarded wannabe janny
>this one not despite its nature

>>152685155
I know, /a/ mods are fags.

>>152685157
This. You know the Chunin exam arc that every still glazes to this day? It wasn't Kishimoto's choice. His editors told him to fill the status quo and do a tournament arc like the rest and he bowed to their demands.

>>152685179
And they are way better than our mods.

>>152685162
>admits that it’s just his subjective opinion
KWAB

>>152685178
>>152685199
Yeah, case on point

>>152685178
I wasn’t even surprised when I saw that thread get nuked.

>>152685162
You haven't seen much then. Though to be fair, a lot of the long-running battle shounen can have really shitty pacing in their anime adaptation because they're really stretching for time or the peanut gallery won't shut the fuck up. You just gotta look for the episode where they bring in the real good director and let him go wild with the budget.

>>152685205
Yeah my opinion is anime and its fights are shit and usually very forgettable

>>152685237
I'm gonna keep myself to seeing less if I can as I really cant stand anime. Especially the fans of anime i fucking hate them.

>>152685246
Your opinion is shit and wrong
>>152685269
Faggot

>>152685295
I dont care if a single weeabo thinks im wrong

>>152685155
>/a/ will ban you for posting it
why?

>>152685322
Not a web, I just said the truth

The only real problem of anime/manga haters is that they are usually fine with the western shit copying anime/manga styles.
That's like China tier mentality.

>>152685334
You're a weeb if you like anime. At all.

>>152685351
Nice goalpost moving, faggot

>>152685342
if we're being honest the real problem is they read and generally put up with shit objectively worse. Like there will be people here hate reading every x-man release until the death of this site

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>>152684950
It's an odd jab. I prefer no backgrounds to photobashed or traced backgrounds. Kubo was excellent at foregrounds too.

>>152685178
I only go full scorched earth self moderation as a last resort, I might do the same to this shitty thread if it stays up long enough.
For now, everyone must report the OP as much as they can. Use janny bypass as well.

>>152685370
Who gives a fuck what a weeb thinks. Anime is garbage

>>152685671
Nice coping, faggot

>>152685681
No need to cope

>>152685697
Then don’t do it

>>152685726
Never had to

>>152685178
>>152685540
This thread is a good place for some discussion.
Comics don't need to be manga, but they need to be better, and I'm done ignoring the problem.

>>152685826
But you did.