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>>11468257
>Women need to not just be bigger, but be an amazonian 7-8 foot in size, to be able to hunt, fight, compete with females, and mate with males, whilst being multiply pregnant.
>As a coincidence, childbirth is much easier.

>>11468252
Could be pseudoscience or not, but...
>There's less drive for women to interact socially or emotionally with men, as men tend to lose their personhood over time spent with them.
>You can't employ a male, because it could be harmful to him, and his capacities will go down along with his personal identity.
>They already tend to latch on as codependents in interactions anyhow. That just gets worse the longer it lasts.
>When women go for a husband, personality is very much secondary to abilities and physical characteristics. Those won't change over time, but his behavior will mold itself to hers.

>Wheras for a male, it's EXTRA important to be chaste when dealing with members of the opposite sex.
>Fleeting personal interactions. If you date, you date once a month, at bare minimum, so you don't start orbiting her until you're absolutely sure she's the one.
>Finding a girl who cares for you is incredibly important, as your life and personhood will be less and less about your personal interests, and more and more an extension of hers.
>Going out at night, or anywhere by yourself, is always incredibly dangerous. Women can't see it as a reasonable risk, but being kidnapped and turbo-stockholm'd to your kidnapper would be a life-ending event. No one wants to have ones life orbit helplessly around a woman you hate and/or fear, until you don't have the personhood to hate or fear anymore.

>>11468284
Hmmm. I'll read your post later.
But your image reminded me of the concept of non-human matriarchies which I brought up couple threads ago. I.e, human society ruled by robo-waifus. Maybe all women eventually ascend to robotic forms while men are left behind for some reason idk.

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the rules say i am not allowed to complain about 4chan staff so i won't
time to post 4 more pics so the thread stays up i guess

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>>11468448
are these japanese enough for your liking, your majesty?
also this is the worst captcha they've ever done

>>11468444
The amount of art that exists of catboy leon being dommed by ada shocks even my deviant heart.

>>11468284
>pic
Achievable natty?

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>>11468284
Gonna repost what I wrote cuz the thread'll be deleted soon

The biggest factor that triggered OTL gender roles is reproductive patterns

1. Since men can have potentially infinite children in 9 months while women can only have one, males genetically benefit more from having a high sex drive.
a) This creates a "male wants, woman gives" conception of relationships
b) Both of which make rape a real possibility, creating many ideas about modesty.
2. Men are genetically more expendable, this creates a culture of chivalry and paternalism in which women are to be protected by men. It also causes a society in which only men are warriors (except for the Scythians of yesteryear and the Israelis of today)

So, idea one: Men only release a single sperm cell every nine months, while women have multiple uteri and can be pregnant by multiple different men at once.

This would have the collateral that male masturbation is seen as like, an unforgivable sin. So let's say female pheromones are required as well, not just an orgasm (if you masturbate to your crush's sweaty socks you might release it but let's ignore that)

Now, the answer:

needing multiple uteri would also explain women being bigger than men
and each individual pregnancy would be less of a burden, allowing women to continue to work while pregnant, securing their dominance in the workplace as well
i imagine there would be a high demand for male birth control that stops them from ejaculating until they're ready, both for recreational sex and to avoid rapists stealing their cum

>>11468633
I didn't make it clear but the "now the answer" thing is not from my post, it was a literal reply to the text before that.

I meant to write "reply" but in spanish they're the same word qwq I hate being a spic

I could see an alternate history working where somehow some plague or forever war wiped out like 70% of men, and while our population bounced back, the men that were left behind were mostly nervous/anxious/lithe/slim nerdy types, and combined that with the extremely attractive women who all wanted to fuck them to death, this naturally leads to most men being born after that also being smaller and more feminine, and generally more emotional nerdy and empathetic.
This also leads to women having to pick up the slack, temporarily destroying gender roles and leaving men to be the ones fought over.
This shift lasts a few decades until like two generations later when it's finally almost corrected.
However at that point the world's changed significantly, men are now on par with if not weaker than most women, with women now courting them rather than them courting women, combined with their generally more docile nature, and the fact women essentially ran the government as a matriarchy to introduce laws to protect the at one point small male population, they're often denied dangerous work/no longer conscripted.
This also leads to a sub culture of men forming who are similar to men of the past, which is now NOT the norm, and vice versa for females. Basically tomboys and femboys reverse and now you have some bitch on social media wishing she could find a "femboy" BF who would play videogames with her, bully and tease her, and softly dominate her.
She's then called a lesbian by other women.

>>11468502
For women? Yes. For men? Probably not.
>>11468633
>>11468284
I really like this idea.
It's a normal matriarchy, but it's got some decent spec-evolution that doesn't just make women the more physically powerful sex, but also the 'wanter/pursuer' and men the 'giver/provider' of sex.
There's multiple reasons for women being so large. To defend against wildlife, compete with each other, and do all this while carrying multiple pregnancies potentially.
It also incentivizes women to look to other women for personal relationships, and to go between multiple men even, as spending enough time with one man makes him into something more like a servant, or an extension of their own will/body, than a partner over time.
Meanwhile men basically have no social or societal prospects due to this process, and just have to hope whoever they end up with, they like.


Need greentext about girl noticing/documenting her partner's changes in personality over time.

Take that shit manga off the op retard. Nobody but you likes that shit.

>>11468704
Femboy eugenics fuck yeah!

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>King takes his new wife to the World Leaders Summit
>The big shots at these events are the representatives of the sole super power, the Matriachy
>leading men usually spend this event sucking up to those women to ensure a somewhat stable relationship between his country and the matriarchy. Less his country be next on the annex block
>while the matriarchal women are usually dismissive of the King at this event, they're COMPLETELY ignoring him this year. Instead recognizing his Queen as the defacto ruler and only adressing/treating with her.
>because the matriachy dominates the conversation, him being effectively kept out of it means even other male leaders are ignoring him in favor of the woman who clearly speaks for the kingdom.
>relations between the matriachy and the kingdom improve
>as the King and Queen continue to have meetings with matriarchal reps, he's traeted more and more like a mere servant. Not even being allowed to sit at the discussion table.
>Eventually the Matriarchy invites the new Queen for a tour of their country. She'll serve as guest of honor in a number of events and be offered guidance at becoming a truly Confident and Effective Matriarch by the most powerful women in the world.
>The "king" is to attend this tour as her slave, and might be disciplined whenever the Queen asks
>King tries to push back on this but the Queen insist she wants to go through with it, and he HAS to come with her per the conditions
>When the king begins to argue, the Matriarchal diplomat quickly shuts him down. Telling him the Queen has their full support and the Amazon army will be deployed if be disobeys her.

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What would be a realistic use case for a milking station? And how many men to women would be the ideal ratio in a matriarchy?
>>11468275
>Do you prefer wholesome and sweet stories, or fucked up and brutal ones?
I'm a huge fan of free cities so brutal matriarchies are my thing.

>>11469238
I know it is a bit silly to say given this is a fetish subject but milking stations make no sense in a practical application. If the goal is semen extraction then government mandated sperm donations in a more controlled medical facility makes more sense (even if just to ensure correct handling and storing of that precious man juice) and if men are notably rarer than women who sort of wife is going to publically allow her husband to essentially be whored out to any skank that walks past? Now if we roll this into a more sex club type scenario that suddenly works a bit better thematically. I could even see that as a means on some small income for men - sign up to be a milking station every few weeks or so and get paid for it, women naturally pay to attend the event and N number women get to get themselves some sex and with luck a load of baby batter.

Admittedly the above does somewhat rely on the premise that the end goal of a milking station is pregnancy, which strikes me as a greater pressure in a gender unbalanced world but if we are just going to the end of "men are nothing more than a meat pole for women to use as they see fit" then whatever, by that point no rules apply as you've got a slave population and salves don't have rights.

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>>11469244
I just keep trying to think of a reason it would be popular or work in reality. I like the concept but I fail to see why a matriarchy would find it useful.
Could a matriarchy realistically be imposed in our world compared to a patriarchy?
I keep thinking it probably won't since seed is quite easy to come by

>>11469248
>fail to see why a matriarchy would find it useful.
Unless you shift the setting from today/10 minutes in the future to a few hundred years in the past where 1) people were less knowledgeable about reproduction and 2) lack the technology for long term semen storage. Even then though it is more sensible/mundane just to have Susan tell her husband to go visit elizabeth tonight and jenny is scheduled for the day after for each to get some lovin'. Only way I see milking station work within this context is as a punishment - you can't just lock men up and away from society as they are too valuable but they can't go unpunished for crimes so meet in the middle and remove their freedom of choice. Have them in a stockade in the town square (or perhaps a designated space in/near a police station or jail as after all we can't have the men be abused) and then let it be open season until they have served their sentence.

If you wanted to spice that up time served could be determined not by actual time but say number of confirmed pregnancies, as the town doctor would be on call to verify or something along those lines.

>John gets caught stealing wine as his wife disapproves but he likes a tipple
>gets sentenced to 10 pregnancies
>constables escort him from his house to the stockade right as the work shift ends
>gets strapped in
>hordes of women stream out of their places of work
>many have a ride to get some stress relief from the day
>time passes
>repeat for a few days
>report to the town doc/midwife to confirm pregnancy
>john no longer has to visit the stockade

This also opens up some interesting story possibilities for how his wife is seen socially (couldn't even control her man, how can she be expected to lead a house?) and even how he is seen detrimentally.

>>11469269
Yeah although even then given the nature of men, it may be interpreted as a reward instead.
That's why I like universes like fate where sexual fluids hold magical power, that way it makes sense to keep men bound as magical batteries producing energy 24/7
But I'd like to see a sci-fi or cyberpunk reason to have milking stations instead of say sex robots

>>11469275
It stops becoming a reward when you lose free agency. I DON'T care if you are tired dave, you WILL get it up and I WILL get off regardless of how you feel about me squeezing you dry.

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>>11469278
That'd be so hot. I assume for extra degradation it should use electrical stimulation to force semen and erections out of men like with cattle.

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>>11468444
This makes both my noses excited
Also trips for Trinity...

>>11468275
NEED someone to talk to me like this

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Ejaculation is what?

>>11469564
MY BODY MY RULES
I DO NOT CONSENT

>>11469564
Ejaculation is Consent, Mam>>11469564

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>>11469564
It would be good if the word consent replaced the word ejaculation, so boys felt extra guilt and shame when they consent inside their rapist and fill her with his consent

That story mentioned in the other thread - out of cruel space - got me curious so I started reading. As anon who posted it said it isn't a story that exists for sexy times but it does touch a lot on what a female dominated (with unbalanced gender ratio) might look like for many different societies. Men lashing out because despite a life of comfort in a gilded cage a cage is still a cage, not matter how soft the padding on the bars is. Good stuff as inspiration for smut.

I've been lurking these threads, though it's not 100% my thing I've really enjoyed the worldbuilding and discussions. Here's something that may or may not interest people here.

My partner once wrote a story for me about advanced cyborg implants becoming available, but only for women. Slowly over time women became more and more modified, until very little of them was organic.

The story was written from a "women submit to their male human partner" but in the long run there was also a matriarchal aspect in that the average woman after a few decades of this was much smarter, faster and stronger than the average man. Men generally lived gilded cages, being pampered by their nearly robotic wives, but not really doing anything than serving as genetic randomizer for the next generation of humans. Because women are inhumanely smarter, they would dump heavy amounts of subliminal propaganda in all media to normalize that humans are a bimodal species, man and machine.

We imagined that perhaps this is how alien reproduce, by converting new alien species to be machine cultists. In time religions might change, perhaps the story of Adam and Eve might change so that the punishment for eating from the tree of knowledge is that Eve is stripped from her humanity and Adam from his freedom.

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>>11469564
Ejaculation is weak men's way to show they are not worth your time...

What if all the nofappers were right?
Semen retention actually DOES make you a genius and give you telekinetic powers? What if women are trying to steal these powers for themselves?
>>11469582
HAH, that's funny AND hot

>>11469693
Wizardry is real and the Fem-inati have spent centuries keeping it a secret by plating sex everywhere in society - erotic advertisements, easy access to porn, barely enforced prositution laws etc to ensure men cum semi-regularly and never have their powers awaken.

RISE UP MEN
SHOW THEM YOUR FAT, HEAVY BALLS
NEVER TO BE DRAINED
NEVER TO BE TOUCHED BY THE HAND OF WO
ACHIEVE THE POWER YOU WERE DESTINED FOR

RISE
REBEL
MAKE A FIST
RESIST

>>11469694
Magic is stored in the ova

>>11469702
*testes

>>11469710
Idk, i feel like magic being a part of women fits a matriarchal society better. It being inherent to men makes it much less stable.

Lean meat, fresh vegetables, plenty of fruit to keep his 'essence' sweet if one of his owners decided to engage in the debauchery of oral sex - indeed, a massive luxury to 'use' a breeder for such indulgences.

So, of course, as powerful women his owners indulged in it regularly.

It’s darkly comedic. In the rest of the galaxy, in the real world as he sometimes thought of it, performing oral was generally was a mark of consideration, of focusing entirely on your partner's pleasure. Not so with his owners. Even a blowjob was all about them in the end, the better to mark out their power and dominance over the world around them.

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>>11469694
...too late...
...nothing new under a moon...
BAKA!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQayHB6VAsc

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>>11468735
I know we've moved on a little from this concept. But I did really quite like the whole 'male anglerfish routine' concept, so I wrote a fic about it.

https://pastes.io/observatio

>be naturally submissive
>also tall strong, bearded, hairy
fuck me

>>11470106
The mightiest oak is most useful when carved and shaped into a fine chair.

>>11470105
I liked your work! I enjoy the detached scientific style in smut stories

I think I might write a similar story about a couple from our world appearing in a matriarchal world, and slowly being morphed by it.

In a long forgotten story I read a dude married a woman from a matriarchal society and upon moving to said country had to adopt several things, in addition to "the wife speaks for the husband";

>men are to be naked at all times except for form fitting shoes
>men have to get a penis piercing (prince albert? I forget the real name) that means they HAVE to sit down to urinate
>the dudes wife would regularly masturbate him when he was to go out in public - this wasn't always the fun sexy kind but the clinical kind
>when the dude was getting his shoes fitted he was erect (being new and the sales woman measuring him up was arousing him) and pre-cum dripped on her uniform. She acted completely nonchalantly and in a bored way
>he was required to shave all his body hair because that is what his wife liked

The story was clearly written by someone into femdom but there was nothing truly hardcore about it, just a focus on men being 2nd class citizens.

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>>11470105
pretty good, i like how the woman manages to keep her scientific tone despite giving in and fucking him halfway through
if i had to complain about one thing, is it doesn't make sense for the women in the story to need to make a study like this, because it seems like it would already be common knowledge at that point?
but please continue writing, good stuff

>>11468275
Okay I tried spitballing a few pseudoscientific ideas into one concept, i need help because i think this could work

>in our real world estrogen already influences mitochondrial biogenesis, meaning cells exposed to more estrogen tend to build more mitochondria and resist fatigue better (normally small differences but real)
>women on average already show slightly better fatigue resistance, oxidative stress handling, and muscle recovery compared to men
>in this setting a mix of environmental stressors (microplastics, endocrine disruptors, background radiation, chronic stress, warming climate) slowly alters human hormone receptor sensitivity
>a dormant regulatory gene linked to estrogen receptors activates and retunes estrogen from a reproductive hormone into a cellular energy master regulator
>estrogen receptors begin directly upregulating mitochondrial density, efficiency, and repair cycles
>women’s muscle cells now produce more stable atp with less cellular damage buildup
>faster recovery leads to denser bones via constant load adaptation and stronger connective tissue to survive increased force
>as connective tissue becomes tougher the nervous system removes protective strength limits and women access more of their natural muscle output
>instead of becoming leaner their bodies scale up frame size (back, hips, thighs, chest) to safely distribute higher internal forces while staying estrogen-shaped and soft
>muscles remain less explosive per gram than male muscle but total force increases because of higher recruitment and structural tolerance
>female fetuses begin growing larger due to enhanced placental efficiency and mitochondrial inheritance through the maternal line
>uterine tissue adapts generation by generation, becoming thicker, more vascularized, and mechanically stronger to handle higher birth mass
>pelvic structures widen and reinforce with denser bone lattice patterns

>>11470194
> I enjoy the detached scientific style in smut stories
For lolz this popped into my head

>entry log 123
>the male is attempt to mate with me
>subject is showing the necessary signs of arousal and is currently in the process of locating my genitalia to proceed with procreation
>sensation is unusual with subject exerting a great deal of physical force in their efforts
>subject has gone rather still, almost limp, I believe subject has achieved (or at least they believe to have) achieved insemination
>excessive reproductive fluids noted, some which appear to be leaking out of me
>will monitor subject behaviour in the morning as exhaustion appears to have overtaken them

>>11469582
>Male ejaculation is conceptually tied to the idea of male consent.
>After all, ejaculation IS consent.
>Similarly, male consent is conceptually tied to feelings of relief, loss of tension, calmness, pleasure and the like. Not just in regards to sex, but all through daily life too.
>To the male perspective, you consent, to take the easy, comfortable, calm option, and you don't consent, to take the hard, stressful, difficult option.

A big part of the reason why women don't flirt very subtly or very well, is because all you have to do is put pressure on a man, and he'll most likely give into your advances just to try stay safe or de-stress the situation.
Also if not, consent can be physically wrung out of him.
Men love to consent, even if they lie and say they don't.

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Reopening the polygamy discussion from >>11462983

In y'all's opinion, how many wives are realistic? How many wives can a boy have so it's manageable to live in the same house, go on dates all together, etc? 100 wives is an absurdly high amount, how can you fit 100 people in a house? let alone a restaurant table?
But arabs don't have that much of a problem with four wives. So there must be a limit somewhere.

>>11470389
Two wives is a male fantasy. Four wives is average. Six if poor. Monogamy is degenerate.

>>11470396
I'm not following. The lesser the wives the richer you are?

>>11470418
The less wives, the richer the wives, but yeah. A society where one man having multiple wives is the norm would reasonably be structured in a way that whatever the average configuration of relationships is(in this case, four women and one man), that configuration would be able to provide themselves a reasonable standard of living. As such, costs would be designed around the household having four separate incomes. For those of lower socioeconomic standing, they would need more income to be able to meet the "normal" standard of living. This would lead to marriages involving more wives than the typical four.

>>11470425
Ah, the causal link goes the other way.
I thought your original post implied that having more wives made you poor (because of more mouths to feed). Although, what's stopping the 6 wife arrangement from becoming rich?

>>11470446
>what's stopping the 6 wife arrangement from becoming rich?
Same things that put them in the position of needing to be a 6 wife arrangement in the first place

>>11470484
They're in the arrangement because they're poor and they can't get rich because they're... poor. That's retarded.

>>11468319
late but maybe men are left behind because Y chromosome is unstable?
>tech companies invent way to "live forever" through transferring consciousness into a robot body
>men can't do it because it requires the scan, breakdown, and then digital recreation of brain cells
>Y chromosomed brain cells aren't strong enough for the process... men can't do it without dying/disabling themselves
>women become all powerful by modifying their robot forms, establish a global matriarchy
Continue??...
>the longer women are in a robot form, the more robotic they become
>start culling the "strong" men because because statistically they're too dangerous for society (or only breeding with weak men)
>femboys/nerds/mommy's boys survive
>world peace

>>11470105
Hot af

>>11470496
>That's retarded
That's the way things are. People don't tend to make more money when they enter a less than ideal marriage.

Men getting dedicated wives is too restrictive for the woman's part. Women can take and release whoever they want and good men will roll with it, obeying the whims of women who want him while not expecting special access. It's normal and healthy for both sexes to have many partners over their lifetime, and for siblings to share mothers but not fathers (you can't always be sure who the father is, anyway).

A healthy family will have a variety of children with different fathers and traits instead of being locked to one pair for life. Men are to be treasured and shared, but not to be bound to as if a woman is proposterously belonging to that man.

>>11470508(you)
Reading it again, was this section supposed to imply something?
>I’m not sure when he’s doing this. I’ve not even heard the vacuum cleaner going in at least a month either, possibly why it slipped my mind.

The fact that colourblindness is sex-correlated is food for thought.

Though IRL it doesn't mean infrared or ultraviolet vision like some birds have, Some female humans can see in four colours
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrachromacy#Humans

There are also situations when women have stronger senses of smell depending on their menstrual cycle.

I'd like to imagine a setting where women have highly elevated senses compared to men because of some genetic coincidence where colour vision and other super senses are recessive and therefore associated with female phenotypes and not male phenotypes.

Imagine the power any predatory species would have if it had vision in the section of infrared corresponding to animal body temperatures. Women would have the ability to hunt, to notice threats, and to leave messages around that would be invisible to men. Depending on women and earning their support would be important for survival.

A while ago I heard of cameras so precise that they could measure one's pulse and other vitals.

While my first thought is that obviously such strong senses should belong to women, there is something cute about a man who is attentive to the health and workings of the women around him and can accomodate them accordingly.

>>11470538
I'm glad you noticed.

It's meant to imply that while she's out at university doing other research, he's doing all the cleaning then.
It's one of the first hints that he's ignoring his own prospects and interests (giving up on his hobbies to cook for her, and not working on his own master's to clean) in order to support her and her work.

>>11470194
Thanks. I figure I know how to speak journal, so I may as well use it.
I would look forward most happily to seeing a dynamic shift like that over time, if you write it anon.
>>11470248
True, I did realize that in halfway through.
But a lot of things that are 'common knowledge' do get serious research done on them to this day too. That's just to make sure our knowledge is empirical and detailed, and not just allegorical.
The alternative is that young adult men losing personal identity and giving up on hobbies and interest to support their partner, is just a result of a matriarchal society forcing them to do so.

>>11470266
>>11470274
A commendable amount of pseudoscientific autism anon!
Pretty much all checks out too, save for the initial supposition of spontaneous linkage of estrogen reception to mitochondrial density, but that's hardly relevant.

It's a very fun concept of semi-runaway alteration too. I could see a natural limit almost being like that of Sharks, in which diet tends to influence growth as much as anything.
I do think, up to a point, even G3 women probably wouldn't have full activation access, as they've probably got larger muscle groups due to the larger frame, which would provide more muscular power in themselves, but that's nitpicking. They may also have higher natural activation due to a vastly superior recovery rate too.

>>11470266
>>11470274
Worthy autism deserves worthy writefaggotry.
Not as long as my last one, but god I love big women.
https://pastes.io/id-known-t

>>11470266
>>11470274
Aight anon, be honest. You genned this using ai, didn't you? Cuz I remember getting a very similar premise when doing my own research with chatgpt.
>>11470610
HOT.

>>11470610
Did you seriously write all that in not even a day? If yes i am mad jelly as a story writer myself, i liked the cute ending a lot. You also mentioned a concept i had forgotten in my post, that female puberty starts way earlier due to the changes giving their bodies even more time to develop size. A small criticism if I may: It almost sounds like Tarla has higher muscular quality than her male counterpart. My idea was that while female musculature remains inferior to male musculature per gram, they gain larger frames and therefore much larger force throughput all the while male bodies become even smaller and fragile due to the environmental triggers and later even selection bias during birth, where the traditional male frames are too large and fragile for the powerful female uterus causing a downspiral in selecting for even smaller and smaller males.

>>11470554
>It's a very fun concept of semi-runaway alteration too. I could see a natural limit almost being like that of Sharks, in which diet tends to influence growth as much as anything.
Yes, i forgot to add (among another thing mentioned later) that the kaloric intake would be much larger, maybe up to 5.000kcal for g2 and up to 10.000 (both ass pulls) for g3
>I do think, up to a point, even G3 women probably wouldn't have full activation access, [...]. They may also have higher natural activation due to[...]
What do you mean by activation? So one of the concepts (which i honestly did not know about), is that apparently hour body guards ourselfes against our own power. Our brain limits our muscle fibre activation to prevent damage to our bodies. I always thought the "mom deadlifts car to reacue child" story was a pure meme, but there seems to be some truth to it. It is underwritten here, but the idea is that women with increased recovery rates can use more of their existing muscles due to increased recovery rate, increasing their total force throughput, did you mean the same?

>>11470652
NO... and yes. I had some core concepts in my mind and starting researching with the help of ai and spin it all up into some pseudo scientific concept. The base ideas came from my own knowledge and researched them, I edited and curated it with the help of ai (and obviously in the end asked it to summarize it all into the attached picture). It took me about an hour of research and rewriting all the stuff, which is a decent amount of time for a goon post on /d/ you must surely admit. You can call me fraudulent for that if you like, but it took some real effort and writing and i just didnt shit out the first thing in this thread after asking "how make women big". And sincerly doubt that you got some of the stuff like the evolving female anatomy causing a feedback loop for larger female fetuses and smaller male fetuses

Lesbian gynarchy where all males never go past shota age and all the girls are tall over six feet and they keep males as pets.
The male pets have more often than not more than one owner because the girls are in monogamous or polygamous lesbian relationships and share their pets.
They sometimes milk the males through sperm extractions similar to cow milk extractions but not for reproduction purposes because girls can reproduce through parthegonetic means and the males are produced through other mean. The male sperm is used for other purposes, maybe for some food ingridient or the boys are modified to produce milk through their testicles.
What do you think about this idea?

>>11470687
>higher muscular quality than her male counterpart
Because she probably would in the end.
Speaking as a martial artist myself, a LOT of conscriptable strength comes down to training and exercise. As does using it come down greatly to training and skill.
Yeah, he might have a favourable disposition to muscular strength initially. But not training it means he isn't going to be able to really utilize it. Especially not in comparison to someone who can train a lot, recover fast, and who's adapted well to this kind of thing.

Also pre-puberty there isn't really a difference.

>What do you mean by activation?
Exactly that limit. The body can tap into greater reserves of strength per muscle volume, at cost of potential damage.
But a more robust form, heavier or more trained, is able to withstand those forces somewhat better, and can tap into a higher percentage of that total output regularly, and not permanently cripple themselves.
It makes sense that, with a larger, stronger build, women can tap into more of that capacity. Though with larger build comes larger muscles, which means maybe not so much?

>>11470790
Idk about allat but I do find parthenogenesis intriguing.

I think women in general get the shorter end of the stick when it comes to sex and reproduction, what with pregnancy, periods, etc.
I like thinking of ways the whole process could be optimized in some fantasitical future which results in males being at the disadvantage. I mean, if you really think about, women are way more important than men for the progression of the species. Why shouldn't they be bigger and tougher than men?

>>11470790
The first half was sorta my idea for >>11470105 as a concept.

Realistically, you don't have an archetypal family unit like you do IRL.
'You don't go to men for meaningful relationships', because post-pubescent men tend to very quickly become vestigial.
You have a mother, and you have her children. The father exists, but he's less a parent, and more an extension of the mother (and one physically outgrown as well by any female children very quickly).
Deep relationships and connections are found between women. Friends, friends with benefits etc. Again, you don't search for meaningful relationships with boys.
They're smaller, physically and mentally weaker, and even if you make one, it'll only be a brief affair before he becomes less of a not-quite-matured person, and more of an automaton for your needs.

Of course, this makes a society entirely based around the female perspective, where young boys and men kind of exist in a limbo until they find someone to orbit.

I think the story of an "outsider male" to the sort of worlds over here would be interesting. The oppressiveness of seeing how other males behave, how you're expected to behave, how other women might look at you with interest given your persistent personality. It'd be really interesting and hot seeing the male slowly losing the fight against the world.
Plus, infinite potential for scenarios as you can just have the guy going around observing the male-female dynamics

>>11470831
>Because she probably would in the end.
Makes sense
>>11470831
>But not training it means he isn't going to be able to really utilize it. Especially not in comparison to someone who can train a lot, recover fast, and who's adapted well to this kind of thing.
I think they shoukd train, I like to leave the male population with a slither od hope/copium of "heh, g-girls will never suprass us because our muscles are way more efficient" i imagine a story / scenario where some 5'5 guy sees a 300lbs 6'4 mass of ass and pussy (all soft not some roid muscle, but huge) outbenching him by 2-3 times telling himself that pound for pound he is stronger
>higher output etc
So I understood right, yeah this goes to the same thing, male muscles are stronger but females have more of them, arge larger in general and stress their bodies way more and recover even faster
>>11471047
This goes to the same issue I have, that most scenarios are post-change. I like stories set in a world where change is still happening and it is recognized by its inhabitants. An outsiders perapective is a neat solution in a way. I also thought about a small population of males and females that manage to guard themaelves somehow against this development

Looking for hot, derogatory words for men in matriarchal worlds. Something with the punchiness of "rape meat" or "fuck slut".

>>11471274
prime pole

>>11471274
Man prey.

>>11471274
sperm farm, sperm cow, dick meat

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Imagine the ass to hip ratio between women and men if women were bigger than men, it would be so hot seeing the size difference.

>>11471274
Cum pump. Fuckstick. Dildo. And, frankly, you could use Rape Meat and Fuck Slut just the same.

>>11471274
Don't you take that tone with me you little stiff.

What exactly is the woman's incentive to rape? Isn't it just gonna end up being a problem for her?
And what exactly is the downside to being raped by a woman for a man?

>>11471349
>downside to being raped by a woman for a man
The worldbuidling of "A Brother's Price" has a good solution to this by having STDs be a much bigger threat than in our world. "A Brother's Price" has the rather typical Matriarchy scenario of imbalanced sexes which turns sexually promiscious people into STD superspreaders. One woman contracts and STD from somewhere, then spreads it to her husband, who then spreads it to a dozen or so people. Or, maybe she spreads it to a male sex worker, who then spreads it to hundreds of people. STDs are an existential threat and how a much more rigorous purity culture for both males and females in justified, which I thought was quite neat.

>What exactly is the woman's incentive to rape? Isn't it just gonna end up being a problem for her?
You could always have women with much higher libidos raping men and simply aborting the fetus, or you could have "rape" not really existing as a concept for women, and if they decide they want to have a baby with an unclaimed man then there is no reason why not.

>>11471052
>I think they shoukd train, I like to leave the male population with a slither od hope/copium of "heh, g-girls will never suprass us because our muscles are way more efficient"

It is a great contrast with more efficient muscle on paper, vs bigger, stronger, and faster recovering muscle.

Though, my thoughts were that; while men might have on paper higher power muscle per cubic cm, being smaller, less sturdily built, and far more prone to quick exhaustion and slow recovery, would probably have a more restrictive biological limiter to avoid exhaustion or damage.
Plus, you've got 5'6 males, who thought they were small next to their 5'9 parents, teaching 5'3 boys that tire quickly, so I image PE would be a very cautious venture.

All the more reason for "Muh higher strength per cm^2" cope being cope.

>>11471124
I wrote a couple (unfinished) greentexts with aggressive, rape-y women in past threads.
I really need to finish that one where the guy goes out clubbing and gets roofie'd.

>>11471047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV8MuzeQhd8
Is the start of a series of 1920's-esque matriarchal stuff.
Not quite as autistic about the worldbuilding as here, and it's sorta asmr, but it's pretty fun stuff.

>>11471349
I think it is about Power and Humiliation. Sexual desire is still a thing, but it's heavily coloured by social context and different kinds of relationships between people.

>>11471349
>What exactly is the woman's incentive to rape?
Horny

>>11471349
Extremely high libido and not taking "No" for answer.

I want to shit up this thread so bad with giantess vore world building
>>11471349
Social media phenomenom, younger women play the "rape challenge" for clout and attention

>>11471275
>>11471281
>>11471298
>>11471332
>>11471337
Need a world where women casually talk to/about men like this in front of/to other women

>>11471349
>Horny.
>She physically wants to, and can.
>Men are always horny (dick gets hard and they can consent (>>11469582)) even if they say they don't want it.
>Men don't bear any of the reproductive burden, so there's no "real" damage, so it's a morally fine thing to do. He'll 'consent', and won't be left with anything.
>Ignore any lingering trauma, social apprehension, or the stigma he'll now receive from other boys for the loss of his dignity, because they're not real considerations.

>>11471349
If women's bodies were refined and enhanced to a point pregnancy and childbirth was less of a difficulty, it might suddenly make it much more enticing to indulge in sex.
Not sure about downsides other than rape tends to be viewed as humiliating and cruel but since a lot of these threads get into sci fi biology stuff I would suggest something akin to the Angler idea where men are hardwired so sex mentally and physically affects them against their will to be more subservient and attached.

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>>11470504
>Be male.
>'Married' to a woman.
>She, like most other women, is over 600 years old.
>Can't really escape either. Even if she wasn't half running off a series of supercomputers to improve her brainpower, there aren't really options out there.
>It's not slavery, or some legal difference. But real jobs, proper ones expect transhuman cognitive capacity and centuries of experience that it's just not possible to have as a man, a 'bio-boy'.
>Really, life was set out from the start for you anyway.
>She's known you since you were born. Knew which woman gestated and birthed you. Knew what selection of genotypes you were going to have even before they expressed themselves. Knew how you grew up, learned, and what she and your mentors would have to do, to create the behaviors she wanted you to develop.
>All with that augmented brainpower and computational capacity of hers that seems so beyond anything you can relate to.
>She knew all this, because she decided on it.
>You are a male.
>But you are also fundamentally a commission. A piece of design work, made to her personal preferences.
>She signed the paperwork to allow for you, made your genetics to her exact designs, paid her friend to have you, and then raised and groomed you all your life to become her newest piece.
>This is not new to her. She is well practiced at this. You are not her first. And you will not be her last.

>>11469281
>like with cattle
Most farmers actually like their cattle, and cattle actually like being milked.

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>>11471460
I know the Angler concept is a bit fantastical. But in my unneeded defense, we've always been about spec-biology to a degree, I got the name and concept from the Anglerfish, and it would lead to interesting unavoidable matriarchies. Even if the biological phenomenon is not entirely ubiquitous.

>Back to the point.
I think it'd just add to the downsides.
You've already got.

>It's a physically overwhelming event where the person is overpowered and forced into something intimate against his own will by an outsider who doesn't care about him.
>It's deeply violating and leaves emotional scars on the person.
>It's a loss of dignity. And for a male in an intensely matriarchal world, where they might hav very little to their name (no possessions, money, property, life agency), dignity can become an incredibly important social currency.
>Loss of dignity might change how he's received by women, and by men. He may well be respected less by either, even if he didn't do anything wrong himself, or have less social sway.

Add Angler syndrome in, and you could get.

>It's an even more permanently damaging thing, akin to a compulsive disorder or PTSD where the male can't 'leave behind' the memory of her and move on as he's begun orbiting her.
>Which either means living life with lasting mental health issues, or going to live with, mould yourself to, and selflessly serve, a stranger woman you fear and hate, because she forced herself on you (possibly while drunk).
>It's seen as a masculine failure or betrayal, given men would have to keep very separate and distant from non-family women out of preservation, while HE ended up in a situation having sex with one, which meant he was around them, or doing things men shouldn't be doing (ala, going out too late at night, or without escort/cohort).

Which is kinda just amplification of the first ones really.

Meanwhile, a woman just needs to indulge in a contraceptive of some sort and she's fine.

I like the robot matriarchy idea. Does away with the struggle of pregnancy because of technological advancements.
Robo bodies for painless, effortless labor. Or maybe there's a centralized mother matrix that births human males.
>>11471467
Cool. I like it. I like speculating on the optimal biology that a "goddess" like race should possess. What kind of material would their bodies be made of? It can't be metal. It's too basic.
It needs to be something crazy like quantum foam that self repairs or something retarded. Decentralized brains that are hosted on servers across dimensions. Neural networks that are constantly updating their weights and evolving their topology a million times a second.

Or maybe the entire race acts like a hive mind? And they create human men for shits and giggles. Just for the stimulation that they can provide?
>>11471498
You might be on to something. Total mindbreak is a pretty good downside. I think it should deter even the folks browsing this thread from wanting to be raped.

>>11471644
>it should deter even the folks browsing this thread from wanting to be raped.
Rape was a relatively common fetish until relatively recently, but people don't actually want to be raped. Rape is insulting because as the other anon said, it's forcing an extremely personal act on someone that is unwilling.

>>11471644
I still want to be raped regardless. But, since you can't rape the willing, it wouldn't count as rape, and thus, I wouldn't want it anymore. But, if I didn't want it, it'd be rape, and thus I would want it.

I refer to this as the Rape Paradox

>>11471349
>And what exactly is the downside to being raped by a woman for a man?
The vice-like grip of a woman's pussy is enough to make any man cry.

>>11471716
Ravishment is the correct term.
It’s rape-y sexual assault dub/non consensual stuff. But when the recipient is kinda into it, or on board.
Rape, realistically, is a de-fetishised thing to experience.
Doesn’t stop my heart or my penis from feeling otherwise however.

>>11471349
Mindbreak where you basically become "imprinted" on her due to the event.
And if we go with more scifi/fantastical, it could also result in some body modification stuff over time. Ie. the woman starts "upgrading" you, like giving you giant overproductive nuts that drive your libido through the roof. Causing the only thing you can think about, is having sex.

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>>11471718
I have an unhealthy desire to spend my life skirting the boundaries of female dominated spaces out of a need to conserve myself, only to make a mistake and get roofied.
>>11471921
To add to the ‘Angler syndrome’ idea.

>In anglerfish, the male mate bites onto the female and everything save its testicles become vestigial, as the female just uses the attached organ to inseminate herself at her leisure,

>In humans, the mated male, in a process believed to have both social, and physiological triggers, production of hormone receptors and pathways in the gonads and prostate up-regulate, resulting in higher sensitivity to hormones excreted in the pituitary gland.
>Testicles and prostrates may hypertrophy, and begin to rampantly increase production, to meet the demands anticipated. This pulls away calories and resources that might otherwise be used in the body or the brain.
>Additionally to this redistribution of calorie resources, the male brain observes reduced electrical discharge in the prefrontal cortex, parietal cortices, and some others.
>This is believed to be caused by axons developing a higher depolarisation threshold, and is believed to occur to allow for greater mirror neuron sensitivity and reception. Thusly allowing for an orbiting male to have greater awareness of the desires, needs and intentions of those females, around him, at the consequence of some of his own personal, physical or behavioural capacities.
>From a biological perspective after all, outside of providing children when desired, performing domestic maintenance and assisting his female in nurturing or maintaining offspring, all those capacities ARE vestigial. A partnered male can depend on the female for instruction and guidance, while a reduced overall quantity of brain activity frees up resources that may be put to better use elsewhere in the body, such as cum production, or in the family unit, feeding one of the females

>>11471974
While that’s all fun, I’m very interested about how it might affect people more or less than others.

I’d almost say that being a man who isn’t affected by Angler syndrome might even be somehow worse than if you did get it.

>All your friends leave you as they turn into horny house slaves with no personal interests.
>Forced to seek companionship with female groups and social circles, as there just aren’t any male ones found in wider society.
>Treated like a slut or damaged goods because you hang around women too much to not be affected. Stigma especially bad from men and boys. Women expect free use and get mad when you’re not immediately horny.
>Not docile, servile and devoted enough to be a ‘proper’ husband. Not empowered, wise or strong enough to be a faux-girlfriend.

Maybe you get lucky, and you’re someone’s (maledom) fetish, or some seedy industry hires you because they need a mentally resilient male for some role.

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>>11469582
>>11471320
This makes me happy...

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>>11471974
What if the women or some of them were also effected by the Angler Syndrome too? Or had their own version of it.

When a woman meets a man or boy she likes, who starts to orbit them, the male's scent/pheromones and resulting intimate contact between them start to kick off a hormonaö reaction that slowly starts to turn the woman into a "matriarch". The Syndrome starts by starting to influence her hormonal activity which causes the woman to go through a "2nd puberty" of sorts.
Effects being her growing taller with a steady increase in muscle mass, as her breasts and butt grow larger while her hips widen.
Obviously ending up in the woman growing up to become the matriarch of their future family.

Maybe it is a left over "artifact" from the earlier stage in evolutionary history where growing bigger and stronger to protect and provide for her mate, while having to compete with rival women if men are less numerous than women.

>>11472339
Interesting idea. I think I played around with a similar idea once but never really grounded it.

The basic premise was pregnancies would actually "buff" women rather than permanently damaging their bodies. Something about creating new life would put their metabolism into overdrive, building muscles, increasing muscle and bone density, improving their immune system, maybe reversing the damage of ageing?All this perhaps for the protection of their child. Maybe there was something in the genetics of sperm cells that could trigger this extreme reaction.

The end result was that the more pregnancies a woman went through, the more powerful she'd be. With "matriarchs" with tons of progeny being at the top of the food chain.

>>11472389
Or maybe their bodies were designed to somehow be able to pick and choose the "good" genotypes in a sperm cell's dna, integrate it into their own dna, thus being able to accumulate upgrades over multiple fertilization. Might be too fantastical though.

>>11468275
>OP picrel
That's pretty hot. Don't see how that's really got to be a "matriarchy" though.

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>>11472339
So my love can make bitches grow bigger and bigger, hot.

>>11472403
We're scavenging for crumbs with this fetish, cut us some slack

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>>11472414
Women start out as petite, but once you become attracted to each other, the dynamic begins to reverse.
Of course physical attraction is all that's needed to start the process. Whether you'd admit to yourself or society is irrelevant.

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>>11472339
Not sure of any direct animal parallels here but...
>Biologically, while (almost) all vertebrates share the traits of smaller males that act as orbiters, homonids, great apes, and select megafauna have 'Matriarchs'.
>This is a result of the need for energy economy in larger warm blooded animals. This allows for unmated females to be self-sufficient, and more resilient to deprivation or low-food periods.
>After finding a male mate however, and if local resources allow, then females in matriarching species observe a period of physical growth, believed to better allow the female to protect her family group and compete with potential threats or predators, at the cost of calorie efficiency, which is somewhat mitigated by having a male to assist in foraging.
>Growth hormone is upregulated, calcium is fixed more heavily into the bones, which observe reactivation of the growth plates. Tendons and ligaments thicken, to allow for higher muscular output and bulk growth.
>Notably, psychological changes occur also, with partnered females observed to be more assertive, aggressive, territorial, authoritative, competitive, and less risk averse.
>It is a matter of debate whether these psychological changes occur in humans, of course.
>Typically, these are not as notable a series of changes in the wild, as occurs with species males, as it is limited by access to food.
>Additionally, this growth period is a short-lived event, and typically occurs for only a few months after pregnancy to 'adapt' the mother.
>However, humans, with modern society's access to good nutrition, observe matriarching to a far more pronounced degree. Especially if the woman has multiple sexual partners.
>This also grants anthropological insights into why men have had next to no relevance in human society over the centuries, even discounting Angler syndrome and all the rest. Women are the only relevant people from an evolutionary standpoint since prehuman times.

As much as one enjoys shlicking to pics discussion is something a more niche board like /d/ could benefit from more. These discussions are great and I am glad there are multiple viewpoints and angles for this fetish even if some anons disagree which is a good thing ultimately.

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>>11471716
I wish I could enjoy rape, but it never arouses me at all, unless it's a female raping someone, and I'd still just prefer everyone be enjoying it. The feminists really brain fucked me into being an obedient beta. Sexually frustrated beyond belief as a wizard, and I still just don't want to rape anyone. Fuck.

>>11472885
I think it's fucked up that you think you should "want to rape". Are you retarded by any chance?

>>11472792
There's not an enormous amount of topical animesque Matriarchy art.

Besides, while a picture is worth a thousand words, words are also still pretty fun to work with.

I need to try writing something else.

>>11472885
I always thought that rape fantasies necessitated some "suspension of disbelief" in order to fully enjoy them. Of the people who enjoy rape fantasies in a dominant role, I suspect less than 10% relief the pretend aspect of inflicting lasting emotional damage on their partner. Side note, 10% seemed like a small fraction of "real" rapists in my head but typing it out made me realise its much bigger than I initially thought.

>>11473243
I believe it's more of a conquest fetish. I don't think there's much consideration given to the partner's emotional state, save them learning to enjoy it perhaps.
Also, been a bit busy recently, so gonna try something interactive (make post, attach poll to decide next step).
Once again, based on the whole 'Angler syndrome' concept, as it's grown on me.
Post to follow...

>>11468284
>>11471498
>>11471974
>>11472580
>>11473713
>He is a newborn.
>The third child from his mother, and as many men.
>His mother is pregnant with him for a little over twelve months. A reasonable period for a woman of her size, age, and physique.
>He was observed to be a boy in the third month of gestation. The ultrasound technician delivered the news as if attempting to force excitement.
>His mother is working the day of his birth. She is an engineering team lead at a consulting company. She leaves the office by 1pm, and drives herself to the hospital. He is born at 3:17. His mother is 7'11. He is 1'71.
>They spend the evening at the hospital to ensure no complications are present in either baby or mother. It is procedure. None are found, and they are discharged at 7am the next day.
>He is born able to crawl, to see, and to learn, but not yet quite walk.
>She brings him and a spouse into the office over the next two weeks for necessary care, skinship and to feed him, but also as a power move, and to get the enriching benefits of new motherhood herself. The Matriarch effect is something she's well used to, and it gives her an edge in negotiating, competition, and establishing her raw, physical authority. In three weeks, she will no longer fit her old suits, and will need to replace her wardrobe, but will secure several lucrative contracts and place herself above some of her contemporaries and rivals in the process.
>When her growth spurt ceases, and maintaining him becomes a distraction, she offloads the responsibility to her husband and her two lovers to feed him with pre-expressed milk, entertain him, and maintain him while she focuses on her work.

>>11473727

>He is 5 years old.
>He is just starting primary school. He has learnt numbers and letters. He almost knows how to write his name by himself, and that girls are weird and strange and they have to be nice to boys like him.
>His sister, Rachel, is 7 years old. She says hi to him at lunchtime, and sometimes he sees her outside playing cricket for PE.
>His other sister, Lara is 10. She's on the other side of the school, and he doesn't see her much.
>His sisters aren't weird or gross, but annoying. They yell or hit him, he yells or hits them. Unless mom is around. Then he tells on them and Mom makes them stop. It always works.
>Normally though, he's talking to the dads. They're boys, like him, and not so big and scary as his teachers, or Mom, and they always have time for him if he asks for it, even when they're doing the washing up, or cleaning, or making food.
>He likes talking to 'puppy' most. He's the most... expressive of the three. Talking to 'mouse', or 'father, the one with the ring on his finger, feels like talking to his mother through someone else, like a phone. They always know what he's going to say, and they never quite react like his mother or his sisters.

Choose. What kind of boy is he?
https://fast-poll.com/poll/3260446c
(Alternatively, write a comment I guess)

>>11470610
Scary tomboy gfs make my heart flutter...

>>11473728
>He is 9 years old.
>School is getting complicated now. There's math class and music and reading and PE and science and every year there's double what he had to do before!
>He's grown older, smarter. He can read and write and spell very easily now, and knows all his times tables up to 8 times 8 now. Except for some of the seven's ones but he's trying.
>He learns them, because it makes his Mom happy and proud of him, and because his teachers are big and scary, and some are mean to him when he doesn't.
>None are as big and scary as his Mom though, and she always says she loves him.
>He knows that even among big scary women, she's particularly big and scary, and tells a lot of people what to do because she's a Manager for very important and smart people, because she's smarter and more importanter than all of them.
>He likes talking to Mom now, more than 'father' or 'mouse' or even 'puppy'. They're easier, but they're like small echoes, copies or messages of his Mother, giving simple answers he can almost guess beforehand. She's more complete, more mentally stimulating. They don't mind when he doesn't talk to them, even though he spends a lot of time at home learning from their example. Making snacks, drinks, meals. Cleaning. Observing his sisters and his Mother. He knows that different things make them happy, and unhappy.
>So when he gets home from school he always does all his homework, he practices his piano, and when Mom gets back from work he makes sure she can see him doing his piano, or he brings her refreshments made by the dads when she's tired.

>>11474146
>When Mom isn't looking however, he still argues and fights with his sisters. They're bigger than he is, but he's smart and knows what makes them happy or unhappy. And if it's too hard, he can call Mom and she tells them off for picking on their brother.
>Rachel is 11 now, and is one of the big kids down the scary end of the school. He sees her sometimes, but their paths don't cross much due to where the classrooms are.
>His eldest sister, Lara, is 14, and is at a different school now. They only talk at home, and on the weekends, but she doesn't have time for him much anymore. When he peaks though, the things he sees make his head swim.
>Mom spends more time with Lara now than him or Rachel, and they both don't like that.
>He sees his youngest sister Emma at school though. She's 7 years old, and is still in the same place in the school as he is. She likes books though, and doesn't spend her lunchtimes running around like Rachel did.
>He's figured her out less than his other sisters. But he knows she likes her quiet space, so leaves her to sit with a cool drink when they're at home.

Choose. What does he like most at school?
https://fast-poll.com/poll/cc374342

>>11474150
(Fuk, forgot second line)
>He can't help but compare himself to them, and see who's better.
>He knows they're older and bigger than him, so he tries to compare what he does, to what they did when they were his age. He feels equivalent to them at his age in terms of smarts and grades but is angry that school let them do certain things, and never even considered letting him. It's so unfair.

Also, to leave the thread with a little more discussion, what do anons think a boys college for this setting would look like?

What subjects would they teach? Who teaches them? Is it just PE and Home Economics for two hours a day, or would they bother with more complex subjects like math and science? Is the rest like a day camp, or even a boarding resort?

>>11474197
Math and science are options in some places, but nobody expects them to get very far into it so it's not as comprehensive as what girls get. For the most part it's mostly like a boarding resort or vacation home where socializing is considered as much the point as actual education, and the education is mostly for the benefit of them being better prospective husbands for their future owners. PE probably includes humping onto breeding mounts laced with pheromones to promote early growth and get men used to their futures.

>>11474150
I chose P.E because I'm a basic bitch and just want a pov of his little sister being physically stronger than him inspite of his hard work.
I know you already wrote a story exploring this with the tomboy but I just can't get enough.
>>11474276
>humping onto breeding mounts
Nah, ruins the subtle and implicit dominance if they're just straight up coralled into being fuckpets in a super overtly pornish way.

>>11470610
Why WAS the mom only 5'6"?

>>11474386
Other link seems to have been deleted (possibly AI image gen for the specific scenario), but that was the Epigenetics post where men get smaller and women get bigger over three generations.
These were gen 2 parents, who were both 5'6, and a 5'3 son.
IIRC they were reasonable height ranges for those 'generations' and I made it at like, 1 in the morning.
>>11474276
So, boarding school, but they have 2 hours total 'education' (PE to make sure they stay fit, and/or home econ, so they have the skills they need in life, music to entertain their wife, or poise training), and not much else?
I imagine they're responsible for all their domestic maintenance, after a point. Get them used to that kind of self-reliance around the home.
>>11474370
TBQH PE is probably one of the bigger subjects for a boy anyway.
'You don't marry a man for his personality', and PE is the best way to control his physical health and body appearance.

>>11468275
I fantasize about helping a girl like this so much. Big boobs, curvy body, and her face looks so cute.
>>11468633
Sounds a little like Spartan society again, although desu I still need to cum inside a woman.
>>11468704
Unfortunately some countries are also making women go to war, so this might not happen, sadly, although I love femboi eugenics.

>>11474150
>He is 11 years old, and is in the last year of primary school.
>Rachel is 13. She's at an intermediate school that's different to his, and is a full head taller than him. Mom says she'll grow up to be taller than Lara, but he struggles to believe that.
>Lara is 16 now, and is at college. If he thought the things she bought home were bad before, the books she studies now read like some alien language.
>Lara doesn't talk to him much. Half the time, she barely even seems to register his existence, and if she does, she treats it like a chore.
>The same goes for Rachel. She's kinder about it, but it's like growing tall enough to see over him has made her forget about him at all.
>Similarly, Mom visibly cares less about him than about his sisters' lives and achievements, and leaves minding him to the dads.
>Sure they all profess to love him, and they hug and cuddle him enough that he believes their earnestness. But when they're going to an event it's always a school thing, or a sports thing, or a stage performance with Lara, or a Karate grading for Rachel, or even a swimming competition for Emma.
>Arguably, those were some of the worst. Seeing Emma, his younger sister, who's still only 9, do things at her age that he never got to do just makes it clear that it wasn't his sisters' shadows that made him get overlooked.
>Made him always be the one sitting on the sidelines. Always dressed up nicely in good clothes, with his hair done up to 'support you sister' and to 'not let the family down'.

>>11474698
>Maybe Mom could take him to an art competition. He's good at art. His teachers all say so, and whenever he's not chatting to his friends at school or not gaming or doing chores or spending time with his family at home, he's often drawing or painting with acrylics.
>Art period is up there with History period and Lunchtime for his favourite things to do at school. He knows about all sorts of things, like how in 1912 the Archduchess Franchina was assassinated and that caused the first world war. How in 1893 a handful of island nations agreed to give boys the right to vote, but girls kept stealing them so they stopped that in two years. And that on his birthday, in 1959, women walked on the moon for the first time.
>He likes math, and science. Not as much as history or art, but he could participate in the science fair in a year, when he's old enough, even though the dads are unsubtly trying to steer him away from it gently.
>They say what his Mom says. That he 'doesn't need' to do those things. That he's perfect the way he is. That he shouldn't compare himself to his sisters, even though he doesn't see why he shouldn't.
>His sisters say he 'shouldn't be that spoilt' and he 'doesn't know how good he has it'.
>He knows that, for all her lack of interest about him, she's very interested in the two of them, and constantly pushes them to excel more and more, now they're older. He knows that this is stressful to them. Incredibly stressful. And as a good boy and a caring brother, he does support them as best he can. But he can't help but wish he was in their place! To be the one mom focuses in on. Who goes to all these events and competitions and wins things. Just for a day...

He's coming into that age group. Choose
https://fast-poll.com/poll/315541d1

Not too happy with this poll, so feel free to write in stuff.

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>>11468275
One way I love to depersonalise men in my own Matriarchal fantasy, is for men to have no serious naming conventions. In a world where women outnumber men (which is my favourite), boys would be common enough so that most extended familial units have one male in the house, however no more than two or three. Rather than being given names at birth, boys would first be addressed as solely the son of their birthmother/family unit and when later get married they are then addressed as the husband of the family unit. This way the entire self identity of a male throughout his life is tied to the female that has ownership of him at that specific time. Alongside hundreds of other subtle ways at which a boy's identity is shaped into the mold demanded by female society, any notion of seperation from female control would be made to be unthinkable to the vast majority of boys.

>>11474698
>Seeing Emma, his younger sister, who's still only 9, do things at her age that he never got to do just makes it clear that it wasn't his sisters' shadows that made him get overlooked.
Whoa... I know I asked for this but now I'm sad for him

>>11474764
Eh, true.
I wasn't so good with that one, and it came out a bit sadder than anticipated, even for a male account of a matriarchal setting in which the vast majority lose their personhood by 25.
>>11474740
That is also peak. And I am going to shamelessly try steal it.

>>11474699
>He is 14.
>And he doesn't know why College, or High school, or whichever is the correct name for it, is something that his sisters get so stressed about.
>Though in fairness, he's been sent to a different one. A 'boys college'. A REALLY nice, private one too. Mom was particular about that.
>He's sure his sisters are going to a private school as well. But he knows it can't be as pretty as this.
>As good as it feels good to be the one receiving special attention like this, he's sad that he's leaving his sisters behind for five days every week, or that they don't get to see inside the grounds.
>And what grounds! Three story Georgian brick dormitories making a maze out of patterned brick and tile walkways that's both open, and conspiratorial. A big gothic great hall that's like something out of a Hermione Potter book. The dense, two story library full of art and stories and so many books. The historic chapel building where they do singing practices three times a week. The gym. The tennis courts. The indoor swimming pool...
>The front opens onto a meticulously maintained square lawn that he knows is called a 'quadrangle'. And the back has a big field on it that they do PE and play games on and run around every morning at 6:40am every day in short shorts and a singlet.
>He was super worried about being busy too, with scary looking homework and likely scarier looking lessons by big, scary teachers.
>But that's totally not the case! Unlike his last year, where he was learning maths and science and english and all these other things too and now he's like... not?
>Well, that's a half-truth.
>He's got a 20 minute run in the morning, followed by a quick swim, and then breakfast at 8. Then, there's a cooking practice class from 9 to 9:50, where he learns things his dads already kinda taught him about how to cook and clean up afterwards.

>>11475399
>But if he doesn't have singing practice at 10:30, or if there's no visitations happening where girls from other schools come in and he's cruelly NOT allowed to go attend... he has free reign.
>There are other classrooms too, playing videos or documentaries on certain subjects each.
>He does watch those. Watches some of them keenly. ESPECIALLY those ones with, or about women. If they have women on screen a lot.
>Other times, if there's a computer free, or there's a quiet space in the library, he goes on the internet to find pictures and videos of women himself. Sometimes, that's all he does between lunch and dinner, if there's nothing else on or he's not interrupted.
>But those aren't real classes. There are no teachers, and no one to tell if you're there or not, and you can just... leave. Not even not pay attention or talk in the classroom, just... never turn up.
>Which he does more and more. But he doesn't tell Mom about any of that.
>The older boys say that, as he gets older, he'll have more classes, or more responsibilities. But that as a first year, he just has the one class.
>The older boys do all the cooking and the cleaning and the gardening too. They vacuum his dorm room, take his dirty sheets, hang his laundry out, and prepare all the meals of the day.
>He can do it himself. But they do it anyway, and tell him he'll be doing it in five years anyway, so it's fine.
>In fact, there's very few things the older boys don't do. There's a headmistress, and a couple adults around nominally in charge. But the older boys very much run the place and keep it tidy like some beautiful, masculine commune, straddled on a hill between city and park.

>>11475401
>Of course it's not ALL luxury. The hours of free time mean everyone is exceptionally good at conversation, or exceptionally teased for not meeting those standards. Cliques form, despite all efforts on part of the older boys to break them up, and some boys can get pretty bratty with each other, and have words enough to say some very mean things.
>There's also the exacting grooming and dress standards. Everything must be done up correctly, clean, ironed, and immaculate. Or you get punished by one of the Prefects, and humiliated by your classmates.
>No piercings or body hair. No coloured hair or unusual haircuts.
>Clothing worn must be the uniform. White button shirt, with a dark green blazer and pleated skirt with black shoes and stockings. Knee length skirt for the summer, ankle length for the winter.
>What trips everyone up, sometimes literally, is that each skirt comes with an elastic interior skirt that's close-fitting around the legs and makes you shorten your stride.
>The summer uniform isn't so bad, but the interior skirt in the winter uniform goes down to the calves and is quite restrictive.
>Other first years struggle and curse and look in envy at some of the seniors, but he doesn't. He likes looking nice, and is well familiar with how to move in less permissive clothes, or spending an hour each day to make himself look immaculate, before even stepping out of the building.
>If anything, he's upset that he's not allowed fancier makeup or jewelry or that sort of thing like some older boys get to. And that the junior uniform isn't as nice looking as the senior one, with its closer fitting red blazer and mid thigh length summer skirt. Or the floor length winter skirt with its cutaway vents on the side.

>>11475403

>He tells all of this to his sisters, who're all very interested to hear.
>Lara's 19. She's all grown up, left College, and is in her first year at university, studying Engineering. She remembers her times visiting and knows some of the places. She looks so much like Mom it's uncanny. Though she's about a foot shorter. It's hard to tell when they stand up.
>Rachel is 16. She's just at the age where she's now allowed to go visit officially, and is very excited. She's huge now. About as big as Lara, despite having a few more years of puberty left. She's gotten really big into her martial arts now, and though Lara is physically fit and heavier built, being older, Rachel has an aura of power and capacity around her it's hard to deny.
>Emma is 12, and is at an intermediate school. She positively eats the stories up however and is amazed to see his uniform his first Saturday back. She's still shorter than him, for now. But she has started catching up.

New poll. Time to decide what clique(s) he falls into (I tried to think of as many as I could, but do feel free to make a post here if I missed one).
https://fast-poll.com/poll/a8ac2fcf

>>11475404
Would the Cons be the girl chasers? I'd also really like to see how his family reacts to him talking about girls.

>>11475447
I imagine those could be rebels, or even Patriarchists catcalling women (though what a 'patriarchy' culture looks like in this setting, is up for debate).
In comparison to normal society which expects men to be reserved, chaste and demure, being outwardly sexual and confrontational may be a way of rebelling against a system, or controlling something about yourself?

I almost imagine Cons to be like dedicated Matriarchy supporters. Everything's about being a good boy and presenting yourself in a way your wife will love, and policing/shaming any boy who doesn't do it hard enough. Dedicated to traditional values. Sometimes to the point of toxicity and extremism.

Really, this is one that could probably do with written commentary on what people's answers are. I do read the range of answers and form a single one based on levels of preferences, but as with anything, discussion is always nice.

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>>11475326
>That is also peak. And I am going to shamelessly try steal it.
Another idea you could steal is how religion/mythology in such a world could normalise and justify rape. I went to a Jesuit school, and whenever we would study parts of the Old Testament like Isaiah 13:16 or Psalm 137:9, I would be shocked by the naked brutality of it until I realised that the rape of women and murder of innocents was simply just part of the values or natural course of war. In my favourite fantasy of a gender imbalanced Matriarchal world, sexual violence committed by women towards men and boys would be actions that were embedded and glorified in religion. Invading a weak nation, smashing their womens heads in with clubs and carrying off their boys to be forced into being husbands or sold as sex slaves would be no more unusual than taxes, and people would project this onto their deities.

I love the idea that when soldiers would invade a country and destroy temples and smash statues to other deities, they would think it to be a physical action mirroring a cosmic war in the heavens, where the deity of their nation would literally be killing/enslaving the deity of the defeated nation and raping their male deitites. Psalms and prayers would be written and sung by priestesses infront of temples that include gratuitous descriptions of females raping males, and women who would have a loving husband and a darling son would make offerings to the Gods for their soldiers to dash other womens brains out and carry their males back to you as playthings.

Society would instill a bronze age mindset about warfare in the minds of not just women but men too, to the point where men might not even believe the women raping them can be said to be particularly "responsible" for what they do. The Goddesses their mothers, sisters and daughters prayed towards salughtered, raped, and plundered before the world had even its foundations, so why shouldn't the people of this world do the same?

>>11474740
reminds me
in japan the names ichirō, jirō, and saburō just mean "first son," "second son," and "third son," respectively
and in ancient rome the names "prīmus," "secundus," "tertius," "quīntus," "sextus," "septimus," and "decimus" just meant "first," "second," "third," "fifth," "sixth," "seventh," and "tenth"

>>11475404
He was interested in the sciences in primary school and seems to be quite ambitious and talented.
Even though he's been spending his time learning about women on computers, I hope he can develop an interest and talent that would outshine his (female) peers. He does more with less and even gets to a point where he can give society a helpful breakthrough, but will his dreams and potential withstand the gender-pressure around him?

>>11475560
If it can be helped, I imagine warriors would want to enslave and exploit their weaker neighbours' women too, rather than wastefully killing them all. Though we can tweak the symmetry for fantasy reasons, I don't think women have as much reason to kill other women as men have for killing other men.
Service (economic, social, spiritual and personal) is the main benefit but if it has to be about sexual competitiveness, they can bear your grandchildren.

Killing might be preferred in situations where there is overpopulation and starvation, or somebody is too uncontrollable and dangerous to be kept alive.

You are the (female) king of a rich river-state, and you find a that on a neighbouring branch of the river, someone is trying to live a cozy life with her family rather than to heavily exploit the land for food, riches, and statecraft. Maybe you take the nicest males in her family for yourself or for the warriiors you want to reward, but her? She knows the local area and is respected among her people. She'd be a prestigious thing to play with and own, to have her use her connections to accomplish your goals of state. Her daughters can be sent to develop lands and pay taxes, or maybe they have special skills you could forecfully employ.

>>11475728
Or Imagine that you lead a relatively insignificant band of nomads with too much leisure time, and a local empress sends her forces for you but you outmaneuver her and capture her instead. Insert some rituals of submission and suddenly your people are very prestigious in the land.

When food production can be made dense (as in southeast asian paddy states - though I fantasize about greenhouse-building irrigation experts), control over people becomes more important than control over land, and the more people are in your service, the more powerful you are.

The idea of goddesses being enslaved to other goddesses is unexpectedly interesting. What becomes of the temple families whose power and identity revolves around a goddess, whose powers may remain but whose will and authority has been taken by another?

Maybe I'm being too lesbian about it, but I think "more women alive = good for everyone".

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>>11475728
>>11475729
>I don't think women have as much reason to kill other women as men have for killing other men.
As roving bands of raping women within a Matriarchal world don't exist, your interpretation is as legitimate as mine, however I'm not sure sure I agree with that statement. In fact, I would say that women have more reason to kill other women than men do for killing other men in our world.

A big chunk of my reason comes from the interpretation as seeing violence in the pre-historical period as being both a means to demonstrate social status and a means to get rid of "surplus" humans. In our world, status within hunter-gatherer communities for males was largely defined by strength/martial prowess. Warfare between tribes wasn't driven by existential conflict over limited resources, but a need for males to advance within the hierarchy through acts of valor. An astonishing number of males in the period from 50,000BC to ≈4000BC died from human caused injuries, leaving a surplus of adult women purely through increased male mortality. Whether we know it or not, much of our lives today are determined by the factors that shaped society 50,000-100,000 years ago.

This is how society developed with a male to female ratio of 1:1, but what if this were skewed drasitcally in the favour of females? If the ratio were 1:4, 1:8 or 1:10, not only would the incentives for violence shift in favour of the women, but the problem of surplus people and the subsequent "demand" for female on female violence would increase dramatically. Maybe its my natural proclivity towards grimdark worlds, but I love a Matriarchy that equally oppresses women as it does men only in vastly different ways. In my Matriarchy, the essence of femininity is intrinsically linked to female on female violence. From the moment a baby girl opens her eyes she is in a constant bloody war with other members of her sex over her own right to exist.

>>11475560
I try to minimize killing women in my fantasies. Also, just seems like you're forcing a false equivalence here.

Raping a woman could be seen as something equivalent to killing a man, but raping a man is in no way equivalent to "smashing the heads" of women.

>>11475765
>raping a man is in no way equivalent to "smashing the heads" of women.
There is no intended equivalence, "raping and pillaging" does not portray those two actions as equal, it treats those as two actions that are related through being part of the same process. Raping men and killing women just are two different things that go hand in hand.

>>11475560
Well, given the setting, it'd be very easy for a religion to see men as something different fundamentally to women (ie, on the 'animal' side of the animal/human divide of recognizing importance, and only seeing women as 'human').
With a setup like that, it'd be incredibly easy and justifiable for a religion to insist on using men like a resource, or as a point to demonstrate the conquest of one group of women over another (push into their camp and rape their men because they can't stop you anymore, and it's how you make their things yours. There's no more consideration given to the males than the goats. Both are livestock, except you fuck the former and eat the latter.

Also if you go with>>11472580 then women have a very strong motivator to act like this, as sex/childmaking with multiple men is quite literally, physically empowering.
>>11475719
Very well put.
I think the poll has stabilized now, so I'm going to start writing again in a bit.

>>11475774
Noooo keep him in the arts. Let him make his mark in the arts

>>11475719
>>11475789
No, I want-I mean, he wants to be a househusband!

>>11475404
>He is 15.
>He's settled into college life now and has developed something of a reputation for himself as a pretty boy, a singer, an artist, and a social butterfly.
>His morning exercise is at 7:00am now. But he still gets up at 6:30 to shower and do his hair to ensure he's well presented for it.
>Then, after breakfast, he sometimes spends the full fourty minutes he has just on his clothes and hair and makeup before presenting himself to class.
>He's a 'Pretty Boy'. Attractive, polite, demure, and far too interested in girls. But one gifted with a skill of understanding people's wants and needs.
>He's a popular boy, and a welcome person both among the most exclusive cliques and tables of popular boys at lunch time, and among the gamers, the geeks and the social outcasts, who sometimes assume he's a bit airheaded or promiscuous by way of his apperance, but are too awkward to say anything.
>Both the liberals and the conservatives like him. The former, because with his 'effortless' good looks and quiet, but able social skills he radiates an air of control they think would be ideal for their 'revenge patriarchy'.
>The latter, because his adherence to making himself look beautiful, and the ease in which he's demure and polite make him out to be a perfect example of a 'good male' by their religious beliefs. He doesn't talk much to either of them.
>He spends more time in the gym, doing yoga or squats, or in the swimming pool to keep trim, than talking to either.
>While increasing his flexibility and making sure he looks good in a skirt is important, heavy muscles and breasts are a feminine trait, and not attractive on a guy.
>Hence, a very careful balance.

>>11475923
>He, like many of his friends, like to push the boundaries of what's acceptable for his yeargroup. Applying blush and eyeliner and shiny lip gloss. Others get hair extensions and fancy stylings. Pinning their shirts at the back to better hug their waists as they walk.
>He gets his ears pierced, and inserts little silver studs into them, despite not being 'allowed' to wear jewelry until next year. The studs are simple, but delicate and pretty. They were a birthday present from his 13 year old sister, Emma, and he cherishes them, even though they are not as spectacular as those gifted by Lara or Rachel.
>Somedays at school, when he's feeling especially rebellious or daring, he copies some of the older students and ties his shirt up underneath his chest, exposing a midriff kept toned through visits to the swimming pool. Not very frequently though. He plans to wait until he's older and has a senior uniform to try that look more seriously.

>>11475925
>As a consequence, most know him as, first and foremost, a 'pretty boy'. One too obsessed over the opposite sex.
>Those who know him better however, know him as quite the artist too. A loud and capable singer, and a person who, when unable to be found, may well be located in the top floor classrooms, drawing or painting all manner of things with that oft moody coterie.
>Arts has been a hobby of his all his life, and at 15, his are, though not the best in the room next to some straight savant, a quantifiable cut or two above the mean average.
>What VERY few people know or realize, is the extent of the brain he has on him. That for every afternoon he might be found drawing or painting scenes and portraits and often women, another is spent in classrooms watching those documentaries on math and science and history.
>People don't know it, because very few other students do it, even across the different yeargroups. And only a handful do what he does, and get on a computer and RESEARCH the things he sees.
>Most spend their free time kicking balls around or chatting to each other, or indulging in their various little hobbies. The videos are dense and complex, and few care for this sort of thing.
>His image, the way he presents himself, comes with stereotypes about him. Ones that he was never bothered to correct before they became entrenched. And what few people knew otherwise about him weren't inclined to contest the public assessment, no matter the evidence.

>>11475927
>The documentaries are not made simpler for younger ages, and though they're irregular, he's learned about a whole lot of things he might not otherwise.
>He knows about Angler syndrome, where male vertebrates learn to 'orbit' their females after a while. He knows about Matriarching, where a female with a new male as a mate tends to grow bigger and more aggressive to support both their new circle, and take advantage of it to outcompete others.
>He tells his sisters of his findings. He shares his scientific investigations with them, and unlike his mother, who believes he is wasting his time with such things as science next to his arts and cooking skills, they are always interested enough to listen and talk back.
>Unlike him however, they see nothing objectionable in either fact.
>"It's just what men are" and "it's just biology, bro" and "yeah, that sucks I guess".
>And why should they? They're not unsympathetic to his perspective, but to them, it's entirely agreeable.
>They take a man, to hold and to taste, and they get taller and more womanly for it.
>They do not, in their desire, see the effect that a single date could have on a boy's delicate heart, because, theologically or biologically, as a boy he is there to be taken.
>There's no worries about mistreating him either, because by their mind they'll almost always be treating him right. There's no need to worry about his thoughts or feelings on if he's happy either, because those will go away in a short while to be replaced with her own, which means he will feel well treated. And there's no reason to worry about that loss of identity.
>Because his sisters, like any other women, do not view him as an equal. They love him and are deeply protective of him, sometimes more than to each other. But as more of a pet, a feature or a treasure, than a person or peer.

>>11475928
>Family. But not true family.
>Same with their dads. They're loved, but they're viewed, by Mom, and his own Sisters as... assets. As pets, or tools. As resources, that his mother had conquered. Had taken size and power and children from, and turned to her will.
>As have Lara and Rachel. He does not know how many, but they begrudgingly admit to having 'fooled around' with more than a few boys out there.
>They bear the signs too. Neither has had children yet, but both are that much bigger, that much bolder and more confident, now he knows what to look for.
>His sister Emma, who's shot up over the last year, is in her last year of Intermediate school. She wants to bring some of her friends over to practice kissing boys on him.
>Perhaps he'll have to gently turn her down now. At least, until he can make sense of things better, as well as his own emotions.

Another long one.
I don't really have a good poll, so this'll be a write-in for his response/next steps to this info, and a poll for his general feelings for learning his place, as the boy he is.
https://fast-poll.com/poll/bd8a94f5

>>11475929
On the one hand, reacting to the injustice of the world and gender dynamics with defensive pride, outrage and going on to become a notable speaker/artist/academic on men's suffrage and sufferage does make sense.

On the other hand, him getting horny and worked up whenever he thinks about being taken and 'overridden' by a woman like that is also very fun (and to an extent, also makes sense).

>>11469564
>>11469582


DNA tests are important. If you have any of his consent in or on you you have proof he wanted it.
>>11470106
>M*oid thinks he's strong
>five rubs and immediately consents into his owner's Hand
Lol.
Lmao.

>>11475929
(Because there's been plenty of poll activity, but no one actually commenting anything about what he should do next, or how he treats this info, I'll write a short interlude on his feelings)

(Of course, I'm aware I've made many posts. If people want me to stop that's cool too).

>For multiple months after the realization hits, he is... turbulent. Distressed. Angry.
>Never so much as to make a mistake. He doesn't shout his feelings at the teachers or passers by. Nor say things he'd regret to his sisters for their flings. A life of self control and considering the perspectives of others shows him that venting in such a way would be pointless, and even if he did not face consequences, unsatisfying.
>There are other emotions too.
>Naturally, he is envious. Envious of his mother, his sisters, women in general. Envious of their strength, their size, the respect they're given and the opportunities they have for even such simple things as a life and a place in the cultural weave of society past their 20's. A place that men lack, because matched men have no need of their own place or culture or identity. Of course he is envious. He has everything to envy.
>There is Pride too. A desperate, defensive Pride in his own achievements, skills and capacities. Hard-won, and exceptional, regardless of his gender. Perhaps even moreso, considering.
>With his pride, comes a desire for justice. A desire for his sufferings to be seen. For his artworks (the sfw ones) to be hung in galleries and observed. For his academic insights to be appreciated. To be given the same opportunities given to his sisters, and not expected to stay silent when guests were over.
>And, in the way of all angsty teenage boys, those all boil down into the same, simmering pot of anger.

>>11476902

>Anger at how much more will and power and opportunity women have than him.
>Anger at how his successes and achievements and abilities don't get the same recognition as they would if he were born a woman.
>Anger at the world, for how, by biology and society, he, as a man, doesn't even get to have a future!
>Anger at himself. For how much he still wants it. How he fantasizes about it every night. How he wants a girl to put her strong hands on his waist. To pull him into her powerful body with unashamed, clumsy, overwhelming desire. To not give him the option to say no, to even voice a protest, as she takes his heart, and his will, and his pride, and his consent, and takes and takes and takes without asking, until she is all his spinning male brain can think about.
>Anger at the fact that he doesn't know if he'd even try to resist. Anger that he doesn't know if he'd want her to listen if he did.
>Anger at the... cosmic injustice of it all.
>Goddess he's a mess...

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>>11475761
>>11475560
You probably won't get a lot of support for your idea as it does seem to be in the minority, but if its worth anything anon I like your idea. There is no such thing as "male solidarity" within the Patriarchy so I see no reason why any "female solidarity" would exist within a Matriarchy. I'm not sure I like the scale of the violence you describe, but any world with hyper aggressive females turns me on.

>>11476904
Haha YES.

What's the equivalent of "alpha male" circles in your matriarchy? The red pill? Do your women need one?

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>>11477321
To do another interlude before writing the next, and considerably smuttier entry (as well as make a poll on next steps/give people one last chance to write in).

>As a result of Matriarching, and to an extent Angler syndrome, 'Alpha Female' culture is something with real and genuine biological and historical credibility.
>In nature and antediluvian times, females in social species operate with a clear physical hierarchy. The most biologically competitive is the most successful, the strongest, mates the most, grows bigger and stronger and more aggressive, and typically becomes the group authority by dint of size and strength, if not success as a contributor.
>Across human history, typically societies arranged themselves with a distinct warrior caste above the masses, often times blending in with the ruling caste, or acting as one in more rural areas.
>Chiefs. Warladies. Knights. Samurai. All physically bigger and stronger examples of womanhood, who acted as local authorities to the societies under them, and who took prime share in resources, men and food.
>One notable tradition exists where, prior to being married, the local knight is allowed/expected to sleep with the groom to be. This according to legend, is to ensure his loyalty and consent to serve is first taken, and will remain in part, with the local Knight/Baroness/Lady, as well as, if possible/desired, dutifully provide her and her realm with another child.
>It is believed that this tradition existed to enable matriarching to occur, and could be said to be an early example of 'Alpha female' culture in social practice.

>In the modern era however it is a little less ubiquitous. While celebrities, the rich, and the famous are all very frequently seen to have several sexual partners, clearly have benefited from matriarching multiple times, and act in a manner befitting 'Alpha female' expectations, it is not a wholesale sign of success or status.

>>11477491

>Indeed, many wealthy or successful women out there cannot be considered to fall under the 'Alpha Female' label, while many who do, are less successful.

>The problematic modern issues come from when people try to fake it as a method to generate success themselves. Edited or cleverly shot footage online. Gym workouts, with steroids and hormone treatments. Social media accounts. Book revenues. Courses on 'how to be an Alpha Female'.
>While a traditionally successful 'Alpha Female' can be overbearing and difficult to deal with, their confidence and experience as a result of their life and successes make them more tolerable, than an individual chasing that state, or insistent on it.
>Typically those people focus on the traits of power and authority, to the exclusion of social niceties and good manners, which psychologists agree that no amount of matriarching precludes an individual from being able to show.

Also, final poll before I get on with the good stuff.
https://fast-poll.com/poll/444054fb

>>11477491
>Andrea Tate
What's the alpha female equivalent of being bald with facial hair?

>>11477684
Flat chest, big thighs+ass

>>11477684
I mean butterface is right there

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>>11477491
Optimal female fashion

>>11477492
I like the trad-husbando idea, but what if it happens because he is an artist? He draws, paints and even sculpts.
Since is still very interested in girls and the female form, his art is a bit lewd in nature so he often using real female model as his references.

He starts to imprint on this model unknowingly, but the model notices this and doesn't mind it. But she starts to get lewder and using more promiscious poses for him, which influences his art too.
Eventually the woman starts pushing herself more onto him and being suggestive with him. The boy turns down her advancements because he is a too nervous and inexperienced but he secretly likes the attention. Only for the woman to one day to claim his virginity during one of the painting sessions, taking the reigns in her own hands and forces herself upon the boy.
Fully starting her own matriarching and the boy's angler syndrome.

>>11476904
>He is 16.
>There are a lot of new things this in year for him.
>In himself, he has come to terms with his 'fate' in life, as a male.
>His existence is a flickering candle, unheeded and unnoticed, burning briefly in obscurity before its essence is drawn away to another, larger bonfire.
>But if he cannot burn long, or burn bright, he will be a most beautiful, and tragic, dying flame.
>Maybe his logic is coloured too much by artsy pseudoscience and nigh-obsessive sexual fantasies but that's unimportant.
>He has found stability, and knows what he wants to do moving forward. If he must play the part of the boy, he will play it perfectly.
>He maintains his academic and artistic leanings. But they take a back seat to his efforts to be the very model of the best boy.
>To project that identity, and live up to it in every waking moment of every day.
>Always beautiful. Immaculately dressed. Short, unhurried steps, with straight posture and gentle motions. Always composed and serene.
>Only speaking in light tones with considered words. Only speaking when he's spoken to, and pretending not to hear the comments and whispers.

>It's enough to turn heads. Girls and boys. It gains him some notoriety among the school.
>He was already noticed for being one of the Pretty Boys, but his greater focus on the character he presents has earned him the faux-title of 'Prince' or 'Little Prince'.

>It is a change that his mother tacitly approves of, though she disapproves of some of the clothes he comes home with, and believes he shouldn't wear so much makeup and jewelry.
>Lara and Rachel wholeheartedly approve, though they grow visibly more protective and defensive over him.
>Emma is downright obsessed with her big brother. Possibly more than is healthy.
>He is forbidden from leaving the house, or the school without an escort. It's irritating, but he accepts it gracefully.

>>11477920
>His scientific and artistic interests remain, and he does indulge in them, but they go from uncommon knowledge to active secrets.
>His interest in mathematics and science. His talent with a paintbrush or pencil or sculpting clay (definitely at least the content of his works) would conflict with the masculine impression he now actively cultivates.

>He pretends not to notice the staring, the whispering and the comments, by boys and by girls. Notoriety breeds animosity, and for every gentlewoman appreciator, there is an 'Alpha' out there happy to dogwhistle at him, and say what she really thinks about his body.
>For every fanboy, friend or admirer of his at school, there is a boy whispering behind his back about how much of a slut he is. How much work he spends to look hot, and not on anything else.
>It IS a lot of work. Even with practice.
>More than an hour each morning making sure his hair is in place, his makeup is perfect, his uniform is ironed and pressed. Not counting the time for touch ups over the day.
>He takes longer to get places and can't participate fully in some things.
>Makeup and clothes and jewelry is expensive too. Many of the clothes he wears are hand-altered by himself from cheaper store-bought items, to fit his body better.
>He is objectively high maintenance. It leaves him very busy. Yet he doesn't mind, because it makes him feel so good. So... right. He loves the maintenance, the dressing up, the being seen...
>Others know how he feels too. And though he could criticize some of the feminists for not doing enough to better themselves, or some of the pretty boys for being unsubtly slutty instead of elegant, it's these people whom he favours the most publicly.
>Insofar as he favours any of his contemporaries. After all, they're just boys.
>And for all his own long Pride, he does value some of them as lesser than equal.

>>11477921

>Yet more has changed than just himself.
>School is different too.
>No longer does he go to the big dining hall for all his meals.
>He goes for breakfasts, sure. But for everything else, his yeargroup has a common room, and are expected to prepare their own meals from scratch.
>It's actually quite agreeable. He's been learning to cook every weekday for two years straight, atop what his dads taught him, same as the rest of his yeargroup.
>His boarding house has ten people in his year. Mathematically, that comes out to having to cook one meal every two days or so, though that's more likely to be a light dish for morning or afternoon tea, or snacks for late at night, then to be a full course meal for eight.
>Long practice, and strong social expectations ensure that it's not just these meals however, but also plates of brownies, cookies, breads, and even some sweet confections can be found on the table or in the fridge at any one time, making the common room into a downright cozy place to dwell.

>He has new classes too. In sewing and handling children and home economics to complement his cooking and cleaning lessons.
>The exercise plan he's provided by the school is redundant, but he is required to play games twice a week now too.
>Finally, there is a class on talking to girls, as a boy.
>It's here that Angler syndrome is officially bought up, and slowly introduced to his yeargroup, to mixed reactions.
>Some are distraught. Some are angry. Some go off the rails, or react far too little to be healthy.
>His response is praised as 'graceful' and 'refined', by the few teaching staff they ever see. They are not aware of his prior learning.

>>11477922

>Most excitingly for everyone however, is that this is the first year they're allowed to 'date'.
>It's all very controlled, of course. Once a month only, girls can only stay in the Dining Hall for the duration, everyone sits in assigned seating, and they're being supervised at all times by staff for any hint of sexual conduct.
>Even after that, if you meet someone you like, you can't sit with them again the next time.
>Hell, they're instructed to report to staff if they can't stop thinking about one of the girls. Which of course, no one does.
>It's all to stop boys from developing any orbiting behavior, he knows.
>But it's still a chance to talk to girls, and have girls possibly hit on them, and everyone's very excited.

>The girls are... giants, in a way.
>They're big and powerful but socially they're... clumsy. Blunt and inelegant. You could even say unrefined, in their dynamics and their conversation.
>A far cry from the well-practiced conversationalists of the boys, whom in many cases, have had little to do over the last three years except to converse and throw complements and barbs at each other.
>Naturally, their antics are a source for a great deal of amused tittering, shutting some down and spurring on others to greater acts of performance, to try and unsubtly impress their 'dates', while their dates wait for it to be over, or simply wait for more physical attention than this.
>Next year, he'll be allowed to go on dates outside the school, he knows. And similarly, there'll be opportunities to sneak away at later dances, if he really wanted to.

No poll currently. Too late, too tired. Will add one tomorrow when I think of a good one.
Otherwise, feel free to write in ideas as always.

Pretty sure this is against the rules of this board, but /b/ can't take itself seriously, so here it goes:

What about a world in which all boys stayed as shotas?

>>11478130
>boys stop growing before puberty
>how does reproduction work
I'm assuming - like how magnets work - the answer is magic.

>>11478130
I prefer "women get stronger" over "men get weaker" in my world.

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>>11478130
>millions of years ago, a deadly disease was carried along the Y chromosome, killing all males who were exposed to too much testosterone
>this led to evolution putting the bare minimum into testosterone production, making male puberty's sole impact occur in the genitalia

>life is bullshit
>your childhood friend, like all women, gets pretty much everything she could want
>she towers over you with her height reaching a staggering 5'8, compared to you sitting around the average male height of 5'1
>she gets those big muscular arms and long speedy legs that can cover so much distance in a single stride
>and all you get is this stupid cock that always gets in the way when she talks to you
>it's so unfair... she gets everything and you get nothing...
>it makes you so mad you could just get beat up by her!
>...you mean, you could beat someone up! that's what you meant

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>>11477923
Apologies for the delay, this week's been a rough one.
Finally knocking out what he actually looks for in a woman.
https://fast-poll.com/poll/e185c981

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>>11478130
Tangentially related, but I love a world where males develop neotenous, "aristocratic" features, yet still retain a masculine body plan distinct from females. Androgyny is hot but it kind of dulls the gender relations of a society if you only find the difference between a man and a woman between their legs.

My ideal body plan for males would involve features associated with our definition of femininity, such as long thick hair, no body hair, smooth skin, and less odor, however having others traits which females don't have. Low body fat along with a more muscular yet slim frame, longer limbs with more slender, more gaunt faces, deep voices and being considerably taller. In my fantasy boys look angelic in the truest sense of the word and keep their youthful beauty well into adulthood, perhaps even living considerably longer than females. Meanwhile females would develop more rugged, "utilitarian" body plans that emphasise function over form.

This may be just a way to vent my own feelings about male body plans in this world but I think it has some relevance.

>>11478244
>>11478245
I wish I could into art so that I could make a straight edit of the original versions of these pics

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>>11478526
Dudes being objectified by scary women is the straightest thing ever

>>11478392
>He is 17.
>He's considered a senior at college now.
>Which means he gets the senior uniform, with its red blazer and navy blue skirts.
>It also means he gets to get away with proportionally more jewelry. Mostly fancy dangly earrings, but sometimes he goes for something else too.
>He likes the new uniform. It's better for experimenting with, using different looks and styles nearly every day for the first few months.
>The mid-thigh summer skirt is fun and cute and bouncy, and doesn't have an inner skirt to restrict his leg movement, even though other boys blanche at how much leg it shows.
>The heel length winter skirt however, is almost more fun. Long enough to cover his feet, and with an equally long hobble inner, its pleats sways very elegantly as he slowly sashays his way from place to place.
>The cutouts on the hips, large as hands and fingers, and unavoidable, cause a bit of stir. Their placement makes it possible to see what underwear the wearer has on, unless specific high waisted undergarments are sourced.
>He does not bother, and simply goes without, trusting to the stiff, uncompromising inner to hold back any... untimely stiffening's from showing.
>He has his pride as a man, to maintain after all.

>His days are filling up, too.
>He has no more classes this year than his last. One on cooking or sewing. Maybe one or two more a day at most, on art or music, handling children or keeping himself safe when handled by women. He's even got informal permission to bunk off classes or practices when he sees fit, which he rarely does.
>But being a 4th year has other responsibilities, and his year group is responsible for cleaning and maintaining the boarding house they all stay in over the week.
>He washes the windows, cleans countertops, dusts bookshelves and vacuums floors.
>Every day, he and his yeargroup strip roughly ten to twelve beds of their linin, wash them, dry them, and make the beds up again before the yeargroup returns from their PE run.

>>11478826

>The dirtiest jobs, of course, are the cleaning out of the bathrooms, toilets, sinks and showers. And the gardening to be done in the flowerbeds found in each House's courtyard.
>The former is not so fun, but the latter, so long as he's careful not to get dirt where it'll show on the red or white of his uniform, is calming and peaceful.

>And then there's his own PT run, his hour-and-a-bit time every morning to get properly done up (which he is NOT going to compromise on), and the time he has to spend cooking meals of sufficient quality for the nine others in his year group at the correct times... and suddenly he finds himself busy more often than not.
>He wonders how he's going to manage in his final year. Having to get all the junior boys up, going to their morning exercise. Cooking breakfast for the school, and then lunch and dinner for the first and second years.
>Maintaining all the rest of the school grounds too. Getting juniors to their rooms, or organizing games... it's a lot of work.
>It's not a work load his mother or his sisters are sympathetic to. But he didn't expect them to be, and doesn't begrudge them.
>They work hard enough as it is. And this is men's work, after all.

>Probably a good thing then, that he's only allowed to be courted once a month, then.
>
>Neither his mother or his sisters approve.
>His mother thinks he shouldn't spoil himself and wait for later, where she can find someone suitable either through contacts, or through potentially going to a university or something of the like, he's not sure.
>His sisters are protective, and tell him in no uncertain terms that he's a very attractive boy, and as such is at a far higher risk of being literally pulled off a street and never seen again, by a woman who just decided she'll have him, and 'isn't so polite about it'.
>A woman, like his youngest sister Emma, quite possibly.

>>11478827
>She, always quiet but passionate, loathes the idea of her beloved big brother being courted by other girls. He suspects her fun at playing dress up doll with him has morphed into some form of obsession or complex. And he heard a rumour that she was punished for sexually assaulting a third year at his school, during one of her 'dating' visits.
>He's not sure. But he does know that every year there's at least one boy who gets out of control, and ends up orbiting, or obsessing over the girl he got a little too far with.

>But still. If there's one single thing he's more obsessed with than arts or looking pretty, it's girls. And this year, they're allowed to go off campus to the mall and stuff.

Shorter one this time. Thought I'd give myself a break, but then did one anyway. I'll finish it (and add in the bit I missed) based on the results of this poll.
https://fast-poll.com/poll/dbbfc33e

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>>11469725
For Me, it's better when magic-wielding women are nigh-omnipotent goddesses who can just shoot a zap from their finger to do whatever they want. Without spells or any real effort

>>11477923
So I forget, is the school run by men? It'd be risky sending your son to a school run by women, right?
>>11478828
>sexually assaulting a third year
Emma's a second-year, right?

>>11479003
There are a few women in charge of admin, critical classes (can't trust a man to teach some things), and security.
But the vast majority of school maintenance is actually handled by the students.

In part to teach them how to work hard and to take care of such domestic things.
In part because if the staff get too involved with the students that can be bad too.
In part because it's a boarding school for boys. The staff are first and foremost there to supervise, and spending more money/time/resources/staff on literally teaching males, is not seen as a sensible thing.
>>11479003
Good spotting! I was worried someone wouldn't notice the slight incongruity to the rumour.
Maybe it's fake, and just made up to slander her. Or maybe she managed to get in the program a year early. Who can say.

>>11479109
I do like the idea of her being able to overpower someone who's older than her. I guess that's to be expected in this world.

Imagine if the blame still falls on the guy because he was older. Women coming in defense of the girl saying, "Well, imagine if the roles were reversed" or something.

>>11478828
cont.

>It's a damn close thing in his heart. Because he really, REALLY likes girls, and wants to see them see and appreciate his own efforts (which of course, he'll hide, along with his own deeper desires, in the interests of keeping himself safe). Maybe he'd even get to 'play' with them.
>For all their evident learning and studying, girls his age must not be as conversational as he and the other boys are. They're so straightforward in their intentions, and practically allergic to subtlety. Which is really how he likes it though, and he's even been able to manipulate some, in his yesteryear, by the suggestion of his approval.
>If he tried that this year, with their greater freedoms, he could maybe even twist a couple girls round his fingers, as they say.
>Until of course, they remember that they're women. And he's just a boy with a pretty face. And that they can do anything they want to him, and make him consent and like it..

>But, for all his wants, and all his feminist fantasies, obedience wins out.
>He is 'a good boy'. And he's been playing the part, the character, for so long now that it's hard for him to go against it anymore.
>He is an attractive young man. One that a lot of women would go after, including a good number that'd just grab him and run.
>The world is intrinsically, especially, dangerous for a boy like him.
>Going outside to someplace public without a group of friends is dangerous.
>Being outside after sunset without a female escort, for a boy like him, is practically asking to be kidnapped.
>Going off in public, unescorted, with a horny high school girl...
>Besides, it's a moot point. Even if it was safe enough for him, he's been told not to.
>And disobedience is an uncomfortable thing for him.
>He can go to any of their dances anyway.
>The school has two each year anyway. And that's where the REALLY cute dresses and clothes and things come out anyway.

>>11479188

>Of course, his sisters promise to take him out in the weekends for fun.
>They do, of course. But not super-frequently, and sometimes it's just errand running.
>Lara's 22, and in her final year of engineering.
>Rachel is 19, and is studying medical laboratory science, along with five separate martial arts.
>He went to watch her train, once. But with its sweaty, bare walled warehouse with it's cages and grey mats overtop concrete, and the scary, athletic, half-naked women grunting and hissing as they slammed bone-shattering blows into each other, or coiled on the ground like snakes, all the while grinning and laughing... it was too overwhelming, too stressful for him. Especially in the over-boisterous, or over-awkward way the people would then treat him, as they saw him watching.
>Rachel loved the stuff, which was good enough. But it frightened him, as much as it enamored him after the fact.
>Emma, though only 15 and not likely to take him anywhere unless he asked her to, is pleased to see he's "not being a slut".
>It's confusing. She likes to see him dressed up to the proverbial nines.
>But not see him go and use it, or show it off.
>He knows she has ideas about men. And he can't begrudge her those, because he does to, to an extent. But it is annoying.
>He has to trust his younger, though no longer 'little' sister, will grow out of the faze when she finds her own boy. Or at least, be less of a danger to others. She's still worryingly possessive about him. But he stays silent and trusts in her, and his mother to notice and sort things out.

>His mother is pleased he's obedient, and seems to have a plan to introduce him to a university.
>He's not sure about what that could be, as boys don't go to university, except maybe to work in a cafe nearby.
>But the halls of academia, are kept clean of distractions of all sorts.
>It's been something Lara has talked about, and Rachel now complains about.

I feel like i need to add a poll, but I'm not sure what.

>>11479190
more please—
it’s a special day, as my gf (irl) proposed to me today

>>11479188
>Until of course, they remember that they're women. And he's just a boy with a pretty face. And that they can do anything they want to him, and make him consent and like it..
Haha. YES.
>>11479190
>But the halls of academia, are kept clean of distractions of all sorts.
HAHA. YES.
also, is Emma going down the red pill pipeline? That's funny.

>>11479238
>>11479190
Fucking awesome. Good work anon.

>It is his first end of year ball.
>He's had one already, midway through the year, where he and the other 70-odd boys his age traveled to their sister school, midway through the year.
>But that was rushed, he felt. Either poorly planned, or quickly planned, in a hall more designed for a range of functions, than a singular experience.
>Wheras the end of year one at his own is... far more exciting.
>Of course, his campus is considerably more beautiful than the girls'. And he has has the luxury of having a whole week in which his year group, guided by the fifth years, and the staff, have arranged the venue for their guests.
>The fifth years are handing all the food and drinks for the evening too. Just as his year did for their mid year ball, and will do for their end-of-year ball a few weeks from now.
>Were it any other subject, he and the boys might have blanched at the daunting nature of putting on, and then attending, such a high-performing function.
>But, they've been trained well. Each of them have done 4 years of training in the kitchen every day, and another two years on that of cooking for themselves and others on a regular basis.
>Similarly, they are well able to read a room, take up an instrument to perform, or simply sing, if entertainment is needed or systems fail out.
>As are the fifth years, dressed up in their serving outfits. Though in keeping with tradition, they've make the night's menu and timetable a surprise.
>And by the looks of things, flirt shamelessly with some of the more distractable girls.

>Still, it is a magical experience. The great, neo-gothic hall is tastefully arranged with bunting and wainscot walls are augmented with long drapes of cool white, which almost glow in different colours as the multispectral lighting reflects off each hanging sheet, glittering bauble, polished silver cutlery and crystal fluted glass in the otherwise dimly lit chamber.

>>11479286

>And through it, he strides, feeling for all the world as if he was underwater, and pacing through the mythical, gem encrusted streets of Atlantis.
>Half for the lighting and his head giving him the sensation of being underwater. And half for how the hungry eyes and fixed attentions of so many prospective suitors felt as if he were swimming with sharks.

>It is not without cause. He, like the rest of his peers, has spent all day getting ready for tonight. To an extent, has spent all week truly preparing.
>But even among such august competition, he feels he's outdone himself.
>Burgundy lipstick contrasts smokey eyeliner and a hint of sparkly blush on his otherwise pale cheeks.
>It pairs well with the complex gold chandelier earrings, the necklace and bracelets, and the emerald dress he has.
>It's a shame that his own skills weren't up to the task of making it from scratch, as he'd hoped, but three years of semi-regular sewing had let him take the store-bought item in to his exact dimensions. It clings to his upper body like a second skin, despite the slit he'd added across the chest, or the openness of the back.
>It also comes in at his thighs, just underneath his rear in a way that's categorically sexy, but not too revealing of the fine details of his masculinity, given the stiff underskirt that itself is present.


>He'd bought a date, of course. He didn't go out, but someone had known someone else and he'd been able to coordinate a partner to attend him in both the midyear dance, and this ball.
>She was a tall girl, with raven black hair and bright green eyes, and looked so dashingly handsome in her two piece coal-black suit, with its lapels exquisitely framing a half-uncovered bust and coming in tight at the waist only to accentuate her muscular shapes and curves, that he'd walked the pair of them to their table nursing a semi. He'd certainly sat down with a near-full erection, and more blush than he'd started the evening with.

>>11479287

>Thankfully, his date had been more enamoured, and more nervous about him, than he was of her, and he could, as long as he didn't have to stand up too fast, hide such things.
>They'd talked between themselves, and with the other three couples at the table.
>They'd eaten a five course meal, the first three of which his date had practically inhaled, before listening to a handful of performances.
>Then they'd danced. She'd taken his hand in her larger one, and lead him onto the dance floor to a waltz.
>With the excitement of the evening, the spinning and the music. Smelling her cologne and feeling her body under his touch, even as he felt her hand on his, and the small of his back, pulling him close and leading him, supporting him?
>He had lost his composure. But her arms didn't buckle, even if his legs did a bit.
>He'd managed through a few more dances, before politely excusing himself, legs unsteady and heart hammering, to a quiet corner and one of the grinning fifth years, who handed him a drink, and made a comment about how he looked to be enjoying himself.
>He said he was. That it was absolutely magical. But that his head was spinning with it all and he needed a chair and a drink before his legs gave out.
>And that was what he'd done. Find a chair, catch his breath, maybe talk to any of the boys that were nearby, take to the dancefloor in bursts now it was more regular stuff, and circle back.
>Periodically, he takes a couple steps outside a side door, into the chill night air, to let his body cool off, and his hearing recover from the music and the bass inside.
>It's quiet, and alone, save for the occasional couple pressed behind a column or against a wall, which he was technically supposed to report, but definitely wasn't going to.
>The evening is getting long, and he hasn't spoken to his partner in a while. He's seen her though, across the room, and caught her eye more than once. Including this last time, as he'd slipped outside.

>>11479288

>He wonders if she'll follow him out here. And if, in the brief quiet and solitude, she'll try anything with him.
>He knows he won't do anything to affirm her. Won't encourage her or give her permission or indicate his own willingness and want. But he's fairly confident that, if she decides to make a move on him out here, he won't be making any effort to stop her, either.


New poll, though I'm not sure if I'll write anything for this one, as this 'episode' is sort of an interlude that I wanted to write.
Though let me know how you feel I guess.
https://fast-poll.com/poll/ba8915f4

>>11479286
I'm having a hard time visualizing what she's wearing. What is it?

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>>11479321
Coal black suit, cut to the standard (feminine) shape, with a fair deal of cleavage in place of a tie or anything, and well fitted to her body, anon.

>>11479289
>Naturally, his mother is upset. He couldn't keep it a secret, but even if he tried, he suspected the school had to tell her these things anyway.
>The good thing about being a boy in these situations however, was that his mother was blaming the school, and his date as much as anything.
>Of course he's faulted. 'Why did you let it happen?' 'Why were you even there?'. But phrases of 'he's just a boy' and 'she should be expected to know better' ring out well.

>And in fairness, he hadn't done anything to lead her on.
>He'd gone outside, for some cool and quiet. She'd followed him.
>She'd been the one to corner him against a wall. And he'd accepted her complements about his dress and his body with grace and dignity, and no overt showings of approval or distain. True to his word, he'd done nothing to encourage her or show his own enjoyment.
>Though, to be fair again, when she took him by the chin, put her thumb on his mouth and ventured about how he had a 'nice soft pair of clit suckers', he hadn't exactly shown disapproval to that.
>Or to anything that came after, either.

>Besides, it was nothing too damning.
>There'd been a fair bit of groping hands, and hands under fabric, and he'd made quite a few embarrassing noises once his composure finally broke down. But no clothes came off, and as much as he wouldn't have objected, no one ran off with no one.
>Instead, he'd finished the evening at a quarter to midnight, sitting in his common room, swapping stories with his peers with his peers. Exhausted, with runny mascara, a fluttering heart, and an aching, drooling cock.

>>11479654

>He still thinks about her, over the holidays and into his final year.
>Academically, he knows it's not Angler syndrome kicking in. One night, and a makeout session, is not enough to stimulate orbiting.
>He knows this. But still the memory of her smell, her feel, her strength, makes him wriggle in bed and grin to himself, heart fluttering and manhood twitching.
>And he'd been so... rebellious too. Putting himself at risk by stepping outside. Not shutting his date down with her clumsy, forceful advances. Letting her have her way with him.
>Rebellious by his standards at least.


Couldn't stand not wrapping up the post.

Will make a new one tonight, probably. If I don't, the next one will be a good one.

>>11479654
So a suit without a shirt?
>Though, to be fair again, when she took him by the chin, put her thumb on his mouth and ventured about how he had a 'nice soft pair of clit suckers', he hadn't exactly shown disapproval to that.
Nice

>>11479655
anon i need her to have her way with him … pls write more

>>11479654
Ah man, I wanted awkward flirting