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>ai powered bots will not take my trade job
Lol, lmao even.
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>>2976510
I’ll just become a robot tech
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AI Robotics Engineering Chad here:
Anyone with a simple task job is fucked. Burgers, food in general... is done for. Totally automated using two robot arms, not even a whole humanoid. Same for laundry (famous demo task for new AI models). Same for Amazon warehouses too. They have a way to eliminate jobs en mass now, using robotic arms to fulfill orders, picked and delivered from a grid of bins.
For more difficult stuff, like working on cars, machines, operating them, etc. That is much more difficult. Those jobs are safe for a long time. The robots are very unsafe desu. If they go out of distribution (see something they haven't seen) they just glitch out like crazy. Could probably kill someone. I wouldn't want to work anywhere near one.
The short term, it just comes down to what companies can convince consoomers is "cool", which is probably as simple as having Cardi B do a twerk on a robot and making a song about it with the Chik-Fil-A CoolBot™
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>>2976583
I install this shit for a living, how long before Bot#25815 takes my job?
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>>2976583
Except burger flipping and that class of jobs don't even need "AI" at all, they're just simple jobs that can be done by noon humanoid purpose built robots. Humanoid robots are just investor fishing bullshit, how many do you see in your normal life? Zero of course. But even as we speak purpose built robots are working tirelessly in dark factories to manufacture things.
And as for the trade, they're going to be safe for a very, very long time. Think about it, where are they going to get the POV training data for day...a plumber or a mechanic or an electrician? Are they going to plop on body cameras on tradesmen, record their limb movements, and ask them to continually explain their thinking process out loud, and then feed that all into a model as the training data. Ohh and by the way, robot fingers don't have the same dexterity or touch feedback like human fingers do. Any idea how we're going to incorporate that into the training?
Lmao good luck
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>>2976583
nobody's gonna pay all the $$$ for a robot when they can just hire some beaner for $10/hr.
plus the robot is a liability and if it gets damaged you're fucked. if paco gets damaged you fire him and hire jose.
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>>2976700
robot has way more upfront costs.
and it won't be cheap to buy a robot that can cook and assemble burgers. low tier work for humans but lots of engineering, precision, LLM computing needed for a machine to do it.
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>>2976721
have you never watched the wagie assemble the componentized tube of goo slop that is a tacobell food product? its literally using metered scoops and caulk guns to dispense the filling onto a standardized edible wrapper. its within one expansion gradient of 2 axis pick and place machinery
i bet a 30k garden variety cobot could stand in for a dopehead loser human with an order of magnitude less waste with less than a week of setup. the problem is people are resistant to seeing a robot touch their food
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>>2976725
>madtv pilled
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>>2976725
Runs out of burgers, have to go in the back to get more burgers, find the stock, … no rbot can do that.
They would have automated that already.
Better yet, just pre-cook the burgers, and deliver them frozen in pre loaded magazines of 1000 that can automatically shot onto a heating conveyer and slapped together with the buns.
Makes the mcdownalls 4x bigger 4x cost, and thats if the burger clip doesn’t jam.
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>>2976583
This. Any job that requires even a modicum of complexity higher than performing simple is beyond any ai powered gadget for the sole reason that precision visual/spatial feedback in systems level motor coordination is dependent on sensor accuracy with an error rate of 0.12*10^-46
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>>2976801
>Runs out of burgers, have to go in the back to get more burgers, find the stock, … no rbot can do that.
How ignant do you have to even be? Beyond the fact that, yes, there are absolutely robots that can do that now (in the human way you're thinking of, even), there's no reason to assume there's some specific ingredient that can't be put into some mechanically-convenient container and just loaded from a feeder that's filled once in the morning and that's it. You know...like they actually do in food factories.
Moreover, a single snafu doesn't mean the idea isn't workable. Even if there is some specific technological blind spot that's impractical for a robot to do, being able down your workforce from five people to just one (even if you have to pay them more), is an easy $100,000+ a year in savings. More than enough to account for the maintenance contract and potential losses from downtime.
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Yes, that's exactly what tradesmen do all day. Backflips.
If the job is really simple and well defined without much chance of variation, you can automate it but good luck getting one of these to fix a leaky shower. My plumber tried three times and failed. In the end I had to do it myself. Shit was hard and required lateral thinking and planning ahead. Didn't require that many ninja backflips though.
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>>2977331
I dont understand peoples failure to imagine a robot
1.unscrewing a pipe with a wrench
2.taking out the pipe
3.holding the pipe in place
4. Screwing the pipe back in
This shit aint rocket science its not easy but its not science fiction.
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>>2977336
How much plumbing have you done? Can the robot remove all the bullshit a customer has under their sink before tackling a leak? And then chisel out the remainder of a rusted to hell pipe that refuses to come out in one piece?
Or does the robot give up when pipes are >150% their torque specs? Maybe the robot goes full HAM on the pipe wrench and breaks a bunch of stuff behind the wall.
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>>2976583
>less general automatons will make more general automatons less valuable
Retard. Technology is always and only a force multiplier, increasing productivity results in more goods chasing the same number of humans.
Were that technology decreased real terms wages your propaganda would be superfluous
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>>2976626
You started strong and then completely jumped off a bridge.
>where are they going to get the POV training data for day...a plumber or a mechanic or an electrician? Are they going to plop on body cameras on tradesmen, record their limb movements, and ask them to continually explain their thinking process out loud, and then feed that all into a model as the training data.
That's exactly what's happening, both in China and Silicone Valley. You think the average tradie even thinks about this shit? He just sees a paycheck by google and starts mumbling away. Heck it might even improve his work as he's forgetting less things.
>touch feedback
What the fuck is a torque screwdriver.
>>2976583
Same here.
>For more difficult stuff, like working on cars, machines, operating them, etc. That is much more difficult. Those jobs are safe for a long time.
Cars are largely solved outside the US. Everything is a conglomerate standard. Every screw is known and already digitalised. Why would a machine struggle with this? If it's really completely at it's wits end it can still start replacing random parts. You know, just like a "real" mechanic.
And fucking
>operating machines
Adidas and Nike both already admitted cloth fabrication could be fully automated tomorrow, humans are just cheaper. Wow, just the jobs i yearn saving.
t.EE who does this for a living. If you really want a safe job become a nurse or anything that'll require human contact.
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>>2976510
they'll never take manhattan
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RBYsQE4Pxb4
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>>2977622
this, people always like to imagine the simplest case scenario but how often is it that easy? Basically never in my experience, a competent plumber has to use his head a lot more than most assume. In some cases the robot wouldn't even be able to understand what it needs to do since some clients are terrible at explaining the issue, and how would it even get to their home? An automated van? What if it can't easily find a parking spot? Could it predict what might be needed for the job before leaving the storehouse? What if the client is absent and the robot has to call the custodian and have him open the door? These are just a few of the tiny problems that can be far from trivial for a bot, a robot plumber is still a pipe dream for now to the point that imo a 18yo kid could learn the trade now and not risk being replaced before his retirement