>>108109695
i'm running fedora on a 2010 macbook pro that does web and word processing well enough, although i do inevitably run into a performance wall from time to time even when i was on a lighter DE, and especially when video was involved. would a t480 make sense to pick up or should i gun for something newer still?

to the kind folks that allowed me to consult them regarding a t14g1 with a 4750u in the last thread, the 16gb of ram was in fact soldered and not 8x8
it arrived in great condition and im very satisfied, will probably just get another 16gb ram stick as i think past 32gb is completely unneeded, but i could be wrong
havent used windows in a few years and remembered why i hackintosh'd my surface laptop almost immediately :(

>>108109716
Typing this from my T480, quad-core without GPU, Debian Xfce, ~70 tabs open in Firefox. The only times I find myself wishing for more performance are when watching unreasonably large videos e.g. 4K or compiling something gigantic like a browser. Watching videos up to FHD isn't a problem, even when doing something on the side, though the fan does spin up. HD video and light web browsing (without monstrosities like TikTok or New Reddit) can be done fanless.

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All of these cheap chargers out there, I'm sure some of them are fake, right? They look very legit but are listed as NEW.

Would it be bad to get a few used ones from an IT recycle shop instead? You pay the same price, its used, but you can be fairly certain you're getting a genuine lenovo one.

Is that the better way to go?

>>108109923
thx. ye deb with xfce's pretty damn weightless -- hell, it was the first distro i loaded on here, too -- though it seems we hit the same walls there too yea.

ah well, guess i'll put a newer portable in the backburner and relegate the more intensive tasks to my pc in the meantime. perhaps i can buy the e16 i use at work off my company when i leave? hmm...

>>108109695
got a t420s with 8gb ram and 128gb ssd for 80 bucks, decent deal or not?

>>108110722
The real question is if you're satisfied with it. Laptops >10 years old that are still usable seem to plateau around this price point so you could have gone newer, classic features notwithstanding.

>>108111783
i mainly bought it because of the old keyboard design + its european prices so theyre a bit higher than US prices anyways — 80 bucks was pretty much the lowest i could find that wasnt missing an ssd or had some defect haha

>>108109716
to give another opinion: T480 i7, technically with Nvidia GPU but I disabled it entirely for battery life. running Artix xfce
I don't struggle with performance at all on it and use it a lot more than my more powerful desktop (I like staying in bed with it kek). use it mostly for browsing, playing a few games like Blue Archive or Koikatsu (reminder: I disabled the Nvidia GPU, I do it all on the integrated graphics), image editing on Krita, and other general stuff. sometimes all of that at the same time. works really well for me and with the 72Wh external battery upgrade I get 10+ hours of web browsing on it
the default screen panel isn't very good but it can be modded very easily (the panel I have on mine is really good). I have an A485 on the side too that I like as well

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>>108109716
Unpopular opinion but the best T480 still gets rekt by a 4 year old Chromebook CPU.

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why in the fuck are w530's so much money now. This shit is ewaste, i just want a k2000m motherboard.

>>108114416
>the CPU that is 5 years newer is slightly better
lmao

I have a old obscure Thinkpad like a R50 or R52 that's not popular enough to have this 51nb board upgrade but it's dead and id like to make it somewhat useful again. I keep seeing everyone shill this pcbway service where you design your own PCB and they make it for you. How hard would it be to get some kind of pi or other sbc style setup to be a drop in replacement without sacrificing port arrangement, battery, the old keyboard, etc. I'm not hot gluing a bunch of cables to the case I'm talking about making a 1:1 bolt in solution

>>108111783
Laptops plateau in price at around 5 years old. 10-12th gen business laptops are obtainable for $200 depending on model and basically anything in decent usable condition is worth $100.

>>108114683
jews gotta jew, problem, goy?

>>108115291
Yeah I bought a 7710 for my w7 larp rig. 6920hq, 4gb gpu, qhd with 95% Adobe rgb, was $135

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Can't seem to get the touchpad working on this T14 G3 (AMD) after I wiped it and installed W10 LTSC on it, any tips? Went into the BIOS, it's enabled and working there, so it's not a hardware failure, but Device Manager doesn't list it. I've already installed the Synaptic Fingerprint Reader and ELAN Trackpoint drivers from Lenovo's website, and Commercial Vantage doesn't have anything for me to install, so I'm at a loss.

>>108115238
youre retarded if you think that will be worth the time and money let alone be reasonably possible short of using an sbc and making some boards for status lights keyboard etc, which will be ass work still. Anyway I found you can shoehorn t61p mobo into most of the old gen stuff even the 14" t60 4:3, so you can get a nvidia fx570m and mod a quad2extreme to work in em, i bet that variety isnt much different inside. I had to sacrifice having a working optical drive when i used a widescreen board in a small and 4:3 t60 but i found an sata to ultrabay adapter that i cut down to fit and make use of it still with an msata drive

>>108115565
extract drivers from the .exe with 7zip and manually install them.

>>108114687
It's only funny because some people hype the T480 as the best and final Thinkpad for all time and its computing power is, for all practical purposes, extremely marginal. It's funny to see people get memed into it.

>>108109695
>Ordered a refurbished T480 from a professional seller last friday
>Shipment in preparation message monday morning
>still no further message since then
I'm pretty positive it's not the seller but the shipping company. I only got good experiences with this single seller but he always chooses the same bottom of the barrel delivery company. I'm at least 90% sure they just got a fucked updating system and the ThinkPad is actually on its way to me.
Right guys? RIGHT???

>>108114416
>>108114687
>>108116193
hmm... skip t480 then?

>>108116193
>people hype the T480 as the best and final Thinkpad for all time
That's bullshit and you know it. 99% who like the T480 do it because the only other T-series ThinkPads available with completely unsoldered RAM are the latest T14 generations.
The T480 is cherished because it's the (as of now) last ThinkPad that still retains some of the classic ThinkPad values like ruggedness and repairability. Nobody says its CPU is still hot shit. But to be fair: An i7-8650U with 32gb RAM is still more than enough for average tasks unless we're talking about 4k rendering. And it will be enough at least until the early 30s.

>>108116193
its computing power is still more than enough for everyday tasks. nobody is saying it's the most powerful or the best Thinkpad ever, it's just nice because you can mod and upgrade it almost as much as you want, it's comfy to use, it's cheap, and it's overall a good experience. also as far as I know it's the most recent Thinkpad that can be librebooted, it matters to some people

>>108117743
It depends on which features are important to you. Every model is a shitty compromise. If the T480's 8th gen Intel is too slow for you, you can get 1.5-2x the performance with similar modularity and input devices (but much worse max battery life) in a T14 G1 AMD.

>>108118121
>T14 G1 AMD
I second this. T14 Gen 1 AMD is kino although I wish it had no soldered RAM...


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>>108115672
I'm not buying all this shit to appease classic Thinkpad enthusiasts nigger

>>108118121
i imagine it'd be a definite step up from my 16-year-old macbook, that's for sure... thing only lasts 3 hours tops unplugged and i hear the t480 has two (2) you can leverage, quite insane. still though, given all i do on the machine is stuff i used to do on my phone, idk if buying a relatively newer laptop just for that would be worth. having said that, i still find myself shopping for good deals daily

>>108109716

it does not matter if you are content creator sorry if your source does not play

>>108114251

you be cursed if its the other kek

>>108114683

2GB graphics cannot into adobe photoedit forget about it

>>108116978
Not sure how it works in the States, but so long as you have the warranty and proof of purchase, then if the delivery company does anything fucky you should be compensated by the seller, who will hopefully take that as a sign to be less lazy about this shit.
Just make sure all the parts in it are the parts that were advertised.

>>108102992
bumping question from last thread

>>108121075
>my laptop consumes one LED bulb worth of power. How do I make it run on half a bulb?
Turn off the screen and imagine the UI in your mind's eye

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>>108121155
Kek!

>>108117743
It's current year.
You need the latest and greatest Thinkpad to browse Youtube smoothly.

>>108109923

I'm doing all of this on a C2D T60p with SSD and modded Win7 with RAMDisk and VxKex

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>>108117831
buddy, the t480 has a widespread problem of the thunderbolt controller firmware overwriting itself, and causing the whole laptop to not charge or recognize anything in the USB-C port, requiring a very tedious reflash
>inb4 its rare
i ordered 5 T480s off eBay 2-3 years ago and 3 of them popped up thunderbolt errors after Windows installation. fwupdmgr couldn't save them. you and everyone else should keep the t480 shilling off this board. it's a retarded overrated laptop

>>108123439
based

>>108124693
I ain't your buddy, asshole.
>Lowballs T480s off of eBay that were probably there and cheap because their owners were too dumb to just tackle the thunderbolt problem with an update
>MY T480s had this problem so ALL T480s must have it, therefore it's a shitty ThinkPad
You're just salty that you lowballed a little too much on those 5 T480s which got you 3 lemons. There's noone to blame but you, you double nigger.

>>108124693
I bought my mom a used T480 some years ago and it doesn't have this problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>108126113
That's mostly because only early-ish T480 models with early-ish BIOS and an Intel-related firmware bug had the problem.
Only if the Thunderbolt firmware is low (<20.X) one might get a problem.
But since EVERY T480 can be fixed by just updating the firmware and possibly BIOS this is a no-brainer if you know what you're doing.

For Linux users:

1) sudo fwupdmgr get-devices
>Check if Thunderbolt is there and what's the firmware ##
2) sudo fwupdmgr get-updates
>Check if updates are available
3) sudo fwupdmgr update

ThinkPad re-boots, installs the update, Thunderbolt bug is gone, everything's fine, open up a cold Coors Banquet.

>>108126206
>EVERY
>just
>no-brainer
If it's too far gone you have to open it up and flash it externally

>>108126840
Well then don't lowball too much and make sure you buy T480 from sources who know about that issue instead of some asshole from eBay who wants 120 bucks.

>>108123247
>not using invidious
lmao

>>108123247
god how come this hurts so much lol. aight fine i guess i'll up my budget for something nice... something with swappable internals preferably

>>108127960
although i guess i can use this for now

>>108128408
>something with swappable internals preferably
Did the same. Got myself a T14 Gen 5.
It's a very nice machine, feels great to use and the 100%RGB panel looks great.

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My T420 started randomly freezing. How to fix this?

>>108129869
What exactly do you mean by freezing?
Regardless, step 1 is trouble shooting.

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hoarderchad here, which thinkpad drivers would have the highest, and which the lowest, priority of being archived for future use? I am using https://download.lenovo.com/eol/index.html, I cannot imagine ALL of these thinkpad models are worth having drivers for, right? Strange that they dont have T430 drivers, I loved that model so much in 2014.

>>108129926
Well I can't troubleshoot much because the freezes happen at random and they're fatal nothing gets written to the logs, not even Magic SysRq key works. If audio was playing whatever samples were last in a buffer play in endless loop lol. Must be hardware related although IIRC it started after kernel upgrade some time ago but I already forgot which version was it.

>>108130162
Yikes, could be anything.
If you're lucky it's RAM or SSD.
If you're unlucky it's the MB or CPU.
Check the SMART data of your SSD and after that try physically removing/moving the RAM.
After that I'd try replacing the SSD first and then the RAM.
Good luck.

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Fujitsu has full-size SD card slots. Why can't Thinkpads?

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>>108131846

i bought my first ever thinkpad two weeks ago (a p15)
I love my thinkpad, it is a beautiful machine and I can upgrade components should the need arise.
I am also for the first time in my life a linux user but that is a different story.
Basically, I can see what all the fuss is about. It's so refreshing to use a big chonker that doesn't pretend to be something it's not. I can rely on this laptop and I think it's just neat.

>>108131846
Middle button doko?

Are x220's considered retro enough yet to be worth money? I have one sitting in a drawer somewhere collecting dust.

>>108132947
Install coreboot/libreboot and clean it up and you'll get decent money for it on eBay. Probably from a fag ITT that's terrified of screwdrivers and firmware flashing but wants to larp as an 1337 modder on reddit.

on a thinkpad t420 with 8gb ram and hdd would kde with wayland run well or am i better off using dwm with x11? would screen tearing be an issue in that case?

>>108133673
You already know. KDE/Wayland will run fine if you turn down the frou-frou a bit, but it'll be tighter on ram for multitasking. DWM/X11 without compositing is going to tear a bit. You could use dwl instead.

Just bear in mind you will have to accept the fact the igpu for a sandy bridge processor is going to be weak.

>>108131846
If you can afford a P16/P1 Thinkpad, it is an option.

Sweet. The T480 will arrive between noon and 1pm. Just when I get off of work and got an entire weekend to install linux, clean her up, change thermal paste and oooomph RAM

do i really need to pay nearly £40 (China-risky) or £110 (Lenovo) for a replacement battery for my t470?
The laptop cost me £180 3-4 years ago
I only use it for sdr, streaming radio and geforcenow using Ubuntu :/
I'm pisspoor and cant risk £40 on a dodgy battery. Are there any reliable shops in UK/EU for parts?

>>108136223
Consider used batteries that you can check in person

>>108136223
I had 4 chinese batteries with 0 issues in my X220
Friendly reminder Lenovo is chinese as well so these batteries probably come from the same factory.

>>108135576
let us know how it performs i'm still wondering whether or not to pull the trigger

>>108136795
what do you need it for? 8th gen is usually plenty fast.

>>108137095
is it fast enough that it'd hold for another 8 years doing basic web shit or should i be looking for something newer already

>>108137115
well I'm not a time wizard so I can't really predict 8 years of vibecoding, but generally speaking I see no reason why a T480 shouldn't be able to handle the web in 2034.
For context, my X220 can run the current web just fine aside from >720p streaming and any T480GPU is running laps around it especially on the iGPU side.

>>108137164
*CPU

>>108137164
imo this is why you should opt for AMD which already puts the T480 out of consideration. AMD's iGPUs in 2018+ Thinkpads are significantly better than Intel's and that is going to be where you feel the squeeze first with "legacy" equipment. If you want to stretch the useful life of an already-outdated laptop that's what you buy today.

>>108136795
I'd love to. But it arrived, I opened it up and was greeted by a card that said
>Hy Anon, we gave you a free upgrade to a T490.
Five minutes later they had an email from me in which I told them that I either wanted a T480 with the ordered specs or my money back by tuesday.

Fucking imbeciles I swear. Who the fuck orders a T480 with an i7 and is happy when he receives a fucking T490? I already got a T14 with soldered RAM. I ordered the T480 specifically to become my workbench playtime laptop.

Hope they gonna fix this shit real quick. I've already waited long enough and I sure don't wanna search for another one.
What angers me most is that they really to gut they'd do me a favor by sending me a T490 instead...

>>108137522
hahahaha wtf

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>>108137522
Maybe the seller is the same person that likes to reply to each t480 mention with pic related

>>108137522
He did you a favor.

>>108130162
yo I had a similar issue on my X220 and after making sure my RAM and SSD were in great condition I simply did a fresh install and that totally fixed it.
I guess at some point me or an update fucked up the Kernel so bad that it led to that situation.
It's now running pop!_os error free.

>>108138774
Looks like he hasn't experienced the T/X x20 or the 2024+ T/X/P/E series. Or the T440x with the clunkpad.

How many years until Panther Lake Thinkpads won't cost a kidney?

>>108140582
Honestly I still see Gen 3 going for 700-800€ so good luck.
Maybe you can snipe a sick deal during Gen 9

Is my T430 dead?
>press power button
>no POST
>fan spins for a few seconds and stops
>no lights apart from the power indicator
>no beeps

>>108141456
Pull the battery, hold power button for 30 seconds to drain capacitors, plug in AC only, and try to boot it.

>>108141518
Nope, nothing.

>>108141456

maybe yours does not boot without battery

>>108141662
Tried with and without, makes no difference ;_;

>>108141618
Is it trying to resume from hibernation? I'd almost say pull the drive too. Generally that's a good troubleshooting tactic - yank anything unnecessary. Yank the ram next and see if you get anything different.

>>108141764
No hibernation, I replaced the WLAN card and got some screws confused, may have damaged the board that way. I've tried with the old and new cards as well as without, also pulled the RAM and drives as well.

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>>108141851
Damn man. That doesn't sound good.

Thought on T495s? Aside from cucked onboard ram? 110 bucks for ryzen 3700U doesn't sound bad to me

I need an 04W6550 palmrest but there are nearly no X220t palmrests for sale in america
Do I really have to wait for the freight shipping from China

>>108142054
If you can tolerate the amount of soldered ram that you get, it's fine. 16gb models are practically mandatory, don't even look at the 8gb models unless you're going to run a super minimal Linux and multitasking will be minimal. Battery life will be about 20% worse vs the Intel model, but the iGPU is better - as a consequence it also reserves more of your system ram for its use (like 2gb instead of 500mb, IIRC). Maybe a 10% handicap in single core vs Intel but the multicore is about 15% better. Screens are all IPS, try and get the low power or privacy guard ones, they have better color. AMD in this generation is still a little bit of a compromise. Whether you want to make those particular tradeoffs will be dependant on your specific use case.

>>108114416
Not entirely wrong, but the average for the i7-8650U there is driven by crusty devices running Windows with dried up thermal paste and clogged up fans. I get 7700 multi and 2400 single on an i7-8550U (T480s running Linux with tlp + thermald, default configs). I haven't even undervolted so I think this thing could push beyond 8000 multi without much stress. Not amazing but good enough for 4K media and emulation, container centric development, VMs now and then, real solid professional machine. Would not get a new one now, of course, there zre better options out there, but those who already have one can rest easy unless they have some crazy special needs.

I got my T480s years ago and maxed it out (40 GB + 4 TB) when prices were good, damn thing probably still worth 1k bucks today just for those two components kek

>>108141851
>got some screws confused, may have damaged the board

Remember Anons, there's a solution to this kind of problem:
1) Get a roll of very wide painting/masking tape. Cheap one is a-okay
2) put that on your table sticky side up
3) make a raw pencil sketch of the parts you gonna remove
4) stick the screws you remove to their respective place on your masking tape sketch
5) never lose screws again, never mix them up.

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Did anyone notice HP removed the Zbook logo in favor of //// starting with G10? Why?

>>108142640
Probably wanted to help buyers avoid the impression they were /pol/ ziggers

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>>108142612
Uhm... Aktshually...
No man that's brilliant.
>>108142796
I kek'd

When does T14 gen 5 get its price down?

>>108143052
Tuesday 6pm

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Odd question.
My T420 doesn't have bluetooth only WiFi.
So what's a better way to use wireless headset with it?
Use pic related?
Get a card that support both Wifi+BT?
Use USB BT adapter?

>>108144640
Really depends on how often you use it. If just occasionally your pic related is a-okay but if you use it on a daily-ish base a card would be better

>>108144640
looks like a wifi+bt combo card can be had for less than $20.
I'd just get one of those if I needed BT

word of advice do NOT use isopropyl alcohol to clean the surfaces of a thinkpad. it WILL fuck it up and stain it t. made this mistake TWICE now

>>108145804
I always use regular ass window cleaner for the surfaces. Never had any problems although I guess it's high on alcohol too

Thinkbamp

Should we still name this a Thinkpad general? Why not just /lpg/ - Laptop general?
Modern Thinkpads are not really better than other brands anyway.

>>108150424
We know this, and people do generally treat it like a /lpg/, but try and make an actual thread named /lpg/ and watch it sail off to Page 10. It's been tried before, many times. The fact is, few have the type of autistic, encyclopedic knowledge of other non-Thinkpad product lines and thus they don't get much discussion. The occasional Dell or HP guy will stop in here and make recommendations or answer questions.

What we really need is a comparison chart or category/budget "best of" list, kind of like the /o/ sticky. Then people can see what the rough equivalents are from other manufacturers for a T480 or X13 or whatever.

>>108150424
>>108150491
OP literally says other brands are welcome.

my t480 might be fucked. the first charging port is worn out, it will only charge if i hold the charger down at an angle. I was charging using the thunderbolt connector for a long time but now nothing happens when i plug the charger into it. should i get another t480 or a newer one? chatgpt is telling me to get the t14g2

I'm vaguely interested in a new laptop after having my T480 since near launch, but I can't even tell if I need a more powerful laptop or if I'm just wanting shit for the sake of it

>>108150884
if it aint broke dont fix it

>>108150848
T14G2 isn't terrible. The keyboard still feels the same and the mice are easy enough to get used to. It doesn't support two SSDs or two batteries though.

>>108150884
Don't CONSOOOOOOM just for the sake of having something new.

>>108150848
see
>>108126206

And do your firmware update.

>>108151244
i tried updating the firmware using fwupdmgr when i first googled to see if anyone else had this problem, but it said the thunderbolt controller was already on the newest version

Maybe I'm doing this wrong but I got a kingxchung SSD to go in the WWAN slot of my A485. But Arch isn't detecting it through lsblk. I'm stumped

Just ran the Remove Windows AI on my T14G1. Worked like a fuckin charm!

& ([scriptblock]::Create((irm "https://raw.githubusercontent.com/zoicware/RemoveWindowsAI/main/RemoveWindowsAi.ps1")))

>>108150848
Reminder that the T14G3 comes with a 16:10 screen.

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>>108151360
Most common mistakes are
- using a SATA instead of a NVMe SSD
- forcing a NVMe SSD with M key upside down into the slot which has a B key

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>>108153184
So if you're looking from the side that has the slot for the HDD, it should be with the little cover facing downwards? If I'm counting correctly, the M key on the WWAN slot is on the left.

>>108109695
Just bought a T14 G2. The USB ports are extremely loose and the front trackpad touchpad is peeling off. Is it worth returning for this and take the gamble with another unit?

I am on X220 which I have been using since 2019. Should I upgrade to T480 or wait until T14 gen 5 got Librebooted (which is NEVER)?
Else I must buy a gaming laptop somehow.

14" or 16" laptop (in general)? The choice is unironically too hard for me. First of all, obviously I'm buying the laptop primarily for portable use (theoretically mostly outside the home - I don't see the need for portable computing at home), otherwise I simply use my desktop PC for computing needs. Second, honestly, in practice, I don't really move it THAT much. Third, I don't want to use an external display at all, I just don't wanna do it. What do I choose?

>>108154393
Also it’s one of those “refurbished” ones with the vinyl wrap.. gay

>>108154692
It's obvious it's 14" innit?
I'm asian so even 12" laptops are enough for me.

>>108153184
This is the weirdest tech upgrade for me I could never understand why we had a decade of big box SATA SSDs when it turns out you can have a whole drive in your wifi adapter slot.

>>108153938
The sticker on the SSD should face away from the motherboard. The WWAN slot has a B key and afaik all SSDs that fit it have both B and M keys.

Your pic shows a SATA SSD which won't work because the slot doesn't have SATA pins wired to it. For some reason it's hard to find NVMe SSDs of the right format in sizes above 512GB and almost impossible above 1TB. The easiest way to put 2TB there is a 2230 NVMe in a 2230 (M key) to 2242 (B+M key) adapter.

>>108154393
I would if I were you. It's not going to get better with use. If you paid a premium for "refurbished" then don't take a bordering-on "for parts" unit.

>>108154676
Doesn't sound like libreboot is a dealbreaker if you're considering a gaymen laptop. What need is the X220 not meeting and/or what are you trying to do?

Holy shit, you guys didn't tell me the T14 Gen 2 was THIS slow, it's kind of wild. It's like, slower than my dogshit optiplex with a CPU that scores half of what the i5 1135G7 in this thing does. It's genuinely struggling to switch tabs in a timely manner, what on earth is going on? I even put an extra 16 gb of RAM in the damn thing.

>>108154692
I had a 15.3’’ laptop for a while and always found it just a little too big.
After using my X220 for years I moved to a 14’’ and will say that 14’’ feels like the correct size to me in terms of portability, especially when combined with a 16:10 screen.
I couldn't imagine carrying a 16’’ around, I'd say only go for it if you need the beefier hardware otherwise go for a 14’’.

>>108156046
The hardware should be plenty capable. Sounds like something isn't working right.
Maybe a software issue?

bought a gen 5 X13 on a whim as a linux machine last year and very happy with it desu even if its not the thinkpads of old. Sure beats the 2019-2024 dumpster fire CPU era thinkpads

>>108155060
Libreboot is not a dealbreaker actually, but gen 5 still costs a kidney for now.

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Which sticker should I get? I'm thinkin the red one to match the red on my thinkpad

>>108150424
We had /lg/ but there's really not much discuss.

My new X13 can't be this cute!

>>108157848
Gen 6?

>>108157165
I have an Arasaka asset tag sticker on the bottom of mine. ^_^

>>108157165
Yellow one. Has that nice inventory sticker vibe.
If you want maxxx realism you should put it on the underside though. That's where most corpos and gov organizations put such stickers because when they sell off older equipment removing the sticker doesn't damage the more visible surfaces of the PC.

But then again: If you put it in a corner of the lid it's more visible and should do the trick too - at the end if the day it's not a real corporate/gov. computer

>>108152482
True but it also has a worse keyboard

>>108150424
It does feel like it's over for thinkpads, 10 years ago it was still fine to run the old ones but now it's becoming challenging and it feels more like a linux toy than a proper usable laptop.

Sad. I used an X61 for a decent while between 2012 and 2015, it was so neat with a great square form factor.

>>108130292
Thanks. RAM is fine I checked it with memtest86+ pre-boot test. SMART data of SSD doesn't show anything unusual. From my experience failing disks tend to produce a lot of noise in dmesg as well
>>108139237
Right. I think it's worth a shot especially with some other distro's kernel in case some Ubuntu-specific patch causes the problem.

Tbh I kinda learned to live with it and now remember to save often because these hangs happen once a couple of days maximum lol

What is a good way to store laptops? I would ideally want to keep each laptop in its separate container that protects it from physical damage and that you could put in a bookshelf or something.

>>108163732
Are you a rootless cosmopolitan, constantly on the move to avoid the justice of White people?

Why wouldn't you just stack them on a shelf? Do you not have a shelf?

Im gonna need to either go to 10 ltsc or just use linux full time (zorin or mint). Windows 11 is a worthless piece of shit and drains my battery (90 percent, t14s gen1) too much
>>108110021
Id trust the it shops more yeah but really id just get one new straight from lenovo

>>108162920
ah never mind then my freezing up happened within minutes of booting up on Debian.
Might still be worth a shot tho

Anyone else have issues with inconsistent scrolling speed with the trackpoint + middle mouse click on the t14 gen 2?

Are HP omnibooks good? Looking at getting that ultrax7 385H for the Arc B390 it has.

>>108150848
>>108150884
If you upgrade, then at least buy something recent, t14 gen 5 or 6. This is the true successor to the T480, since this is the first t-series thinkpad after the t480 that has two dimm slots, and is much better repairable than anything between t480 and t14 gen 5.

>>108145804
yep, I recently bought a big bottle 99% isopropyl for removing old thermal paste from cpus, and I had so much left that I tried to clean other things with it; the case of my x220 looks a bit weird now.
so... what are some good uses for isopropyl other than cleaning cpus?

>>108164739
Clean PCBs in distilled water and then wash it with isopropyl alcohol to help evaporate the water. I've done that with a mechanical keyboards pcb that you couldn't easily remove.

>>108164739
exactly why I waited for a nice deal on a Gen 5 even though I needed an upgrade for almost a year.

>>108164903
in europe, lenovo recently sold them for cheap. got my t14 gen 5 (intel) with 64 gb ram for 890 euros in january. currently the amd version is on clearance

>>108164903
If you're set on an upgrade, put it in proper context. You need a get-me-by for what, another 2 years before the T14G5 gets reasonable?

Then get a beater that fits your use case and don't dump a bunch of money and time into it. T480 is meme taxed and (you tell me, but...) you're going to get sucked into modding it and end up with something thats still old as fuck but your sunk cost is within spitting distance of the thing you said was too expensive to begin with. Don't do that to yourself, is all I'm saying. You have 3 options:
>buy once, cry once
>re-evaluate your upgrade situation and if you NEED it or if you're just consoooooming
>buy a beater to mitigate your actual feature and performance shortfalls that you don't love but you don't hate and you're not tempted to fuck with

>>108165083
yeah I got an AMD Gen 5 in pristine condition with the nicer IPS panel for 955.

bump my t480's coming soon...

>>108168167
same here

I got a P70

>>108168229
Noice, 4k and decent GPU or did you just want something big?

>>108118121
well i went ahead and picked it up earlier. hell compared to my macbook this thing fuckin flies lol, will easily last a lot longer for sure, at least for the things i do on it. lovely keyboard, 48wh battery preinstalled, no fingerprint stains as far as i can see... scratches on lid aside, in remarkable condition. i love it already

thinkbumo

does anyone have experience with removing all default secure boot keys (the ones from microsoft and lenovo) and use secure boot solely with own keys?
there is some fud in the arch wiki (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface/Secure_Boot) about bricking your thinkpad.
on my t14g5, there is an oprom for the intel graphics, but I cannot verify with which key it is signed.

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Should this work on the T480(not S). There were reviews on the listing saying it should work out of the box. There's a slight gap compared to stock

>>108172867
So this is mylar apparently is X1E the only one that fits with actual glass? How would I find it without paying 50 euro or something. Does this fit all the finish is nicer

>>108172867
tf apparently I have a 8ssm1(O or 0)21473g1sg91xe121 which is another t14/t490 trackpad. There's a small gap on both and they're exact same dimensions. Apparently they tried to replicate glass on newer gen trackpads

My T480's screen turned off out of nowhere for a brief second. What do?

>>108173888

Driver update running in the background? I have an older Toshiba that updated its Nvidia driver while I was shitposting here and it did that.

Would you say 4 hours of video playback is a good battery life?

Man the new panther lake Thinkpads don't have Ethernet ports. That's bullshit. Might as well get p14 gen 6 AMD since it's close CPU and GPU.

>>108174836
tad bit longer than lotr trilogy director's cut, pretty good.

ThinkBump - fo' real!

>>108109695
Fell for the meme award, T480 is coming. I'm also interested in a x61 and x220. I love those docking stations.

>>108109695
Friend of mine uses an E525 in his bar as a glorified music player and YouTube PC.

Is there a Linux distro I could help him out with? Pretty sure he's still using win7 or whatever it came with. Before you ask: Got no clue about his stats, CPU etc.

>>108109695
have people made like custom motherboards that could fit in x200 for like modern cpus n shit?

>>108184186
Yeah like 10 years ago. They made a few dozen of them, they cost $2000, you had to speak Chinese to get one, and you had to wait 2 years with zero communication on the faint hope you didn't just set 2 grand on fire.

>>108184566
shieeet, is that still a thing today? is it just too expensive to do so it didnt catch on?

Bought an old t14 g1 for 30000. My old e6430 finally croaked his last after 13 years. He got me through college. He will be missed.

>>108184742
No, it's not a thing anymore. I wish it was but zoomers are gay and everyone is retarded and poorer now.

Talk me out of buying an Elitebook 840 G8.

>>108184742
>>108184950
Still is a thing nowadays (though they stopped sales a month ago with no word on when whether they'll sell again)
https://www.tpart.net/

>>108185623
845 G8 got better cpu

>>108179818
>I'm also interested in a x61 and x220
What are you planning to do with them?
I have both these, the x61 is cool but it's so old and now only functions as a minimal linux ricing station.

>>108186419
dang did anyone in this thread throw 1200 on this

>>108187176
>What are you planning to do with them?
I just admire them, I love the design, the keys and all the soulful stuff like the dock or the think-light. Can you even put an SSD in the x61? But yea, the classic keyboard + 4:3 and a DVD drive via the dock is really cool. I would like to libreboot it, but it's more of a novelty and would just lay around after a while. I just feel like those old thinkpads are an important piece of hardware history, that I missed out on. I'm addicted to old thinkpad videos, their design and the quality is just cool.
>x220
Is at least usable in 2026 with an SSD and it would be cool to libreboot, install Gnu Guix and have fun. I'm probably just blinded by the fake nostalgia, I'll get my T480 and then I'll see.

>>108188518
Yes, a 2.5" SATA SSD.

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I'm putting a 16gb stick into my t14 gen 2 because it keeps freezing when I run a cumtown stream in the background of my open mw. I hope 24gb is enough. I ordered two more 16gb sticks for my other laptop that has a 3060. I will have 3 8gb 3200mhz sticks of spare sodimm ddr4. Should I sell them, I can't think of anything else to do with worthless 8gb sticks.

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Do you think it's a bad idea? My 2570p has been so good to me so I wanted to try a newer one.

>>108191156
I hate HP so much it's unreal

>>108191792
Care to explain?
I mained an 8460p for a few years and my only complaint at the time was the rubbery keyboard compared to the T420. I still use it to rip CDs and DVDs sometimes.
Have HP business laptops gotten that much worse than the equivalent Thinkpads in the meantime? In what way?

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>>108191156
>HP

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>>108110021
I use this bad boy for my 65w thinkpad, gan chargers are small as fuck

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Scored a T410 in my country for 20 dollars, shipping included. No HDD or RAM, but apparently has a functional motherboard, screen and keyboard. Seems like a good deal. I don't have much use for it, I'm only interested in getting a spare keyboard for cheap, the computer is just a bonus. I imagine it's good enough to turn it into an arcade cabinet or maybe host Terraria servers.

>>108192138
that really enough for a laptop? was thinking of something smaller to replace the stock brick so this looks good

>>108109695
Should I buy a T440p or a T480? Going to flash libreboot and probably use Void. It's going to be used for web browsing, programming and light video encoding.

>>108192807
I have an anker batterypack charger. It gives an extra ~2 hours of battery and is just a wall charger the rest of the time Goes to 100w and has a screen that lets me see how many watt things are pulling. The thinkpad only pulls 65w when charging then drops to around 45w when at full load and much lower when doing nothing.

>>108192807
Yes its 65w, read the specs

>>108109695
Does Libreboot still have a massive issue with ram compatibility? I haven't used it since 2018.

>>108179818
>love those docking stations.
theyre shit and they break quick

thinkbumo

>>108195579
i am now completely sold on the tracknipple and using any other laptop just feels like i'm missing a limb now

>>108192138
these are shit for laptops, not even recommended for sbc

>>108193260
>T440p
if you need a classic-like robust build or space for 3 drives (or if you want the experience of upgrading the cpu and screen, seeing as most of them come with 2 cores and TN)
>T480
if you need >16GB ram or >8h battery

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I came here to be laughed at,I guess you americans get this for like 80 dollars or less lmao, but here thinkpads even if refurbished have BS collector item status Im getting a refurbished T14 gen 1 for 150 euros( about 175 usd) (usually here they have a 450 euros tag price about 530 dollars maybe 50 less if refurbished), this is a massive bargain for me. mostly a new linux machine to take to the public library

>>108109695
thinkbumo

>>108199533
if it makes you feel any better the t480 i bought secondhand here still cost me $200

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>>108125691
Keep seething faggot. I've handled more of these laptops than you ever will, and it is a real issue.
>>108126113
>me no have problem so there no problem
>>108126206
Most XX80 ThinkPads were shipped out with the thunderbolt firmware under 20, and unless the corpo had IT guys that are on top of everything, the moment you get the laptop you gotta update it.
>>108127113
More T480 cope. Latitudes have the same processor yet you don't need to stress about the thunderbolt flaw/non replacable USB C ports.

Newer T14 with replacable ram is a better laptop yet you ChinkFags keep seething about a shit laptop. You are just like all NA Miata owners.

>>108202002
>Most XX80 ThinkPads were shipped out with the thunderbolt firmware under 20, and unless the corpo had IT guys that are on top of everything, the moment you get the laptop you gotta update it.
nta but that's what I did with my two T480 and my A485. thankfully none of them were affected by the Thunderbolt issue (they all had the firmware that had the issue but didn't meet the conditions for it to happen). updating with fwupd was easy
even if they were affected it's pretty easy to fix with a $2 chip programmer from aliexpress anyway

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I'm about to pull the trigger on a T14 G1 Ryzen 5, 16gb of ram with 256gb ssd, for 270€.
Convince me not to do it.

>>108203815
sounds about right see if u can haggle though once you're there

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I love laptops

How bad/good are the Dell Latitude keyboards? I really want a tiger lake laptop and I could get a latitude instead of a T14 gen2

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>>108109695
>close laptop and head to bed
>when I wake up the keyboard is sprinkled with bits of dust or something
>this happens every night, even when I clean everything beforehand
>get pissed
>close laptop and rest it upside down this time, because cleaning the screen is easier than cleaning the keyboard
>wake up
>not a speck of dust on keyboard
I feel like I'm being tormented by pixies.

>>108204503
>>not a speck of dust on keyboard
Meant on the screen. Just woke up.

>>108204503
It's probably your partner fucking around with your computer.

>>108204578
>your partner
Thank you for assuming that I'm the kind of person who's ever had a partner, it mildly improved my self esteem.
But no, my roommate is my brother and he doesn't touch my stuff unless he thinks it might fall or get knocked over in its current position.

>>108204503
The same happens with mine, and I put it away inside a sleeve in a desk drawer every night. Dust is magic that doesn't obey the laws of physics.
I just wipe the keyboard with a microfiber cloth every morning.

Family members touchpad been acting up on T14 Gen 2, not picking up movement or jumping if it does.
I'm considering getting a replacement off ali, looks like the 'glass' version is available too.
Any tips or things to consider?

I see a t16g gen 3 has options for ecc ram, but a p16v gen 3 doesn't? Why is that? And I assume the rtx gpu offered in the t16g doesn't have ecc, but I also can't find any mention of ecc on the rtx pro 1000/2000 on the p16v?

>>108204809
>ecc ram
Use case?

>>108109695
I just bought a T420 do I put stickers on it or not.

>>108206052
Keep it subtle. Put an Apple sticker on the Win button.

Could someone recommend a mid-range(ie. 8840U comparable performance) 2-in-1(detachable keyboard) laptop that supports Linux? The Minisforum V3 sounds perfect but it's not available new

I want to become extremely opinionated on consumer hardware.
Help?

>>108205987
To check for memory errors and correct them?

>>108204692
You'll be alright, mate.

Linux Mint: Installed.
Chinese battery: installed.
TLP: installed.
Yep, it's Thinkpad time! oh god francine why did you leave me

I just got a x270 from ebay advertised as working.
Didn't come with a charger so I got a 120w type C as I like having a AOI charging thing for when I travel.
I go to plug it in, lid light and power button blinks 3 times, press the power, nothing happens. Tried the reset pin hole, blinked 3 times and nothing.
Does it simply just need to sit for a while? I figured it should be fine to plug and go, but I'm not sure.
The laptop seems to be in very good condition as well so I'd be surprised if it's broken as it wasn't listed that way.

>>108193776
Kino, sar, now get out.

>>108204159
Same. Wanna dock?

>>108157165
Yellow is more classic, but they are both nice.

>>108206879
It turned on after like 10 minutes. We good. I guess I have never let mine run that dry.

>>108206880
You wish your battle station exuded as much raw sexual prowess

oh christ here we go

>>108206922
if that can make you feel better, once I let a laptop battery discharge completely and it refused to turn on for like 2 weeks. at some point I randomly unplugged it for a couple days, plugged it in back overnight and it worked again the next morning. still using it nowadays but as a server

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>>108109695
What are the smallest Thinkpads out there? I have a Thinkpad 11e which is surprisingly serviceable as a laptop for simple tasks like typing essays, writing scripts, or checking bills and is about 11.5" in size. I'm trying to see how small I can go out if morbid curiosity.

>>108207514
I mean there is the 701C but that one is a high value collector item and far too under powered for anything useful these days.

>>108207514
Screen size isnt everything. It's a fair heuristic, but some 13.3" laptops for instance have the same footprint as 11.5-12.5" legacy laptops. Bezels shrink. And everything has gotten thinner.

If you're not averse to tabletshit with detachable keyboards, those are probably the smallest. Otherwise you should be looking at X13/Z13/X1Nano.

The real question is what's your budget? Tiny costs money. They're not going to be as plentiful as standard-issue corpo 14" models you can buy off lease on the cheap.

>>108208849
>The real question is what's your budget? Tiny costs money.
That's a good point. I would say 80 to 150 bucks at most. The 11e I bought was for $118 ($109 + $9 tax) and was refurbished to have 8GB RAM with 256 SSD. It didn't seem like too bad a deal since there were laptops with lower specs being sold in stores for around the same price, if not more.

Maybe I should explore ancient netbooks to see if they're cheaper instead.

found a lenovo T430 for $85

500 hard drive
8 gb ram

is this good? thinking of even trying to lowball to $60

>>108206477
>ECC RAM is generally not necessary for standard consumer computers, gaming PCs, or laptops. While it offers superior data integrity by correcting single-bit memory errors, the high cost, limited motherboard compatibility, and negligible risk of errors in everyday tasks make it unnecessary for most users. It is essential only for servers, workstations, or professional, data-critical applications.

>>108209528
if it has the 1600:900 display I would call it a good deal yes.
Try to get a i7-3612QM for a great upgrade that doesn't overwhelm the cooling and an SSD of course.

>>108110021
i can sell you a real one. i got like four of those.

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>>108131846
my lifebook has one on the front. it's kino. reminds me of a compaq notebook i used to have.

which thinkpad should i buy just to bring to work?

i have a really old thinkpad (from 2012 i think) but its too slow and embarrassing

i just need something cheap and usable for coding and web browsing

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>>108109695
Can you recommend any 3rd party batteries? (internal & external)

>>108211005
Something slick, like the X series.

>>108211005
Hard to say what u actually need but anything T470p+ should have more than enough performance

>enable battery care in tlp
>the battery stopped discharging after reaching the stop threshold
>PANIK
>change everything back
>read in the manual it's not supposed to discharge when plugged in, everything was fine
Oh. Well.

I need a new cheap 14 inch shitter for carrying around
Looking at HP Pavilion Plus (there is a good deal on it) and Asus Zenbook which is a bit more money
Worth paying extra?

>>108211643
>Asus
I wouldn't even take it for free

is a e580 worth anything?

>>108211667
quick rundown?

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i only have an x220
i'm using t460 (not mine) and i'm enjoying it and i was thinking if i shouldnt maybe get an x13 or t14 both g3 for lurking in bed maybe watching anime and doing some light uni work
but there's also x1 yoga and i'm wondering if it's any good, it'd be cool to read manga or watch anime on it in bed and maybe even play VNs are those good at all for that? or maybe i could make notes on it in math classes thatd be cool

>>108211777
shit company with shit business practices. if you ever need to RMA something they'll try to scam you also. all companies are probably shitty to some degree, yeah, but Asus are unapologetic scumbags
also last time I had an Asus laptop I sold it pretty quickly because of glaring conception flaws. like picking it up by the corner would make it crash because it would disconnect the nvme kek. never ever had that kind of stupid issue on any other laptop brand
and to top it off, my current desktop mobo is an Asus and I kinda regret not sticking with Gigabyte. this piece of shit is a $350 mobo and can't even save its fucking settings so I'm forced to set everything again if I want to update the bios

>>108211785
>maybe maybe maybe
My answer is... maybe.

also depends on the state of the yoga's screen

T400 shows two screens in settings and defaults to the non-existent one on Windows 10 LTSC is this a known issue is there a way to solve it I'm pretty sure it has to do with some ATI and Intel stuff but I'm too retarded to figure it out

>>108211809
I see. I guess I can just pick the HP which has better specs for the money if the Asus isn't better build quality / reliability

>>108211785
X13 if you value the x220's form factor/compact size the most.
T14 if the x220 feels too cramped (obv it will based on screen resolution but that's not what I mean)
X1Y if you need it to do 2in1 tabletshit

>>108212366
Well-put.

>>108209528
hey same anon here, I found a T420 for $60

128 gb ssd
4 gb ram

I might lowball this one to $50, ill try getting both of these laptops since they seem like good deals

quite excited, these will be my first thinkpad's lol

>>108210414
seller didnt mention the display except for saying its 14 inches (definitely not tech savvy)
and yeah I was already looking into the upgradability of the T430, ill most likely give it 16 gb ram as well

>>108212366
>>108212454
x220 and x13 arent even in the same size class because of the bezzels
i'm curious if anyone's used 2in1s especially on linux it does seem like a bit of a meme overall
13in _seems_ better (but i guess without scaling 1080p might be a problem) but if i had to pay for it with battery life or performance it'd rather take t14

>>108114683
Is that a fucking Ivy Bridge i7?

>>108212503
At least for xx30 and later, you can ask for the serial number and enter it on pcsupport.lenovo.com to see its original specs

>>108212580
Go look at the physical dimensions, not making assumptions based on screen size. They're all in the wikipedia article on X series Thinkpad.

The difference between an X220 and a relatively recent X13 are minimal. Like 1/3" or less in L or W.

KDE is supposed to have the best touch/pen support, screen rotation detection, etc but I haven't spent much time with it.

>>108212503
>seller didnt mention the display except for saying its 14 inches
If they don't tell you, invariably this means it's the shitty 768p TN screen. Some sellers are dumb but more of them play dumb and let you think you have a shot at the 900p screen. You don't. But if you're buying a T420/30 you should be doing the 1080p screen mod anyway.

I can't seem to find a thinkpad with 2 storage drive slots because there's a lot of confusion around that in documentation
My requirements for it:
-2 ssd slots (doesn't matter if it's 2.5in or m.2) WITHOUT having to remove the wifi card
-at least 14 inch screen (15 or 16 is more than welcome)
-Minimum intel 7th gen/amd ryzen
-Not P/W series since I don't really need the gpu (also nvidia linux drivers)

>>108214100
T480 can do that, you can put a 2nd SSD in the WWAN (that's cellular, not wifi) slot. you can use either a 2242 drive or a 2230 (more common, higher capacities) with a $2 adapter from aliexpress

>>108214212
What's the name of the adapter?

>>108214256
https://aliexpress.com/item/1005006479495875.html
NVMe 2242 to 2230

>>108213585
the prices I found for the screen mod are at around $50 thats almost as much as the laptop, ill consider it if I end up using it frequently

I can probably just ask them to take a picture of the display settings

>>108109695
How retarded would be to liquid metal my T440

>>108214926
ptm7950

>>108109695
isn't the 845 g8 better than the t14 gen 2 amd?
>two sodims
> trackpoint minus middle mouse
>replaceable dc jack.

MouthbreatherPad

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Recently got this NEC VersaPro Ultralite VG-7 with a 10510U while I was in Japan, and this guy is basically an X series ThinkPad under the hood. Debating which version of Linux to toss on it, to take advantage of that battery life.

>>108216354
>no nipple
not a thinkpad

>>108217066
I'm embarrassed by my lack of nips

usually after some time the trackpoint tends to drift off to a corner by itself and i have to reseat the nub. do i need a new nub or keyboard for this thing

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Talk me out of getting this to replace my T480. Please.

>>108217634
>talk me out of getting a detachable that can't be used in laptop form on a lap to replace my normal laptop

>>108217634
is that a fucking gaming tablet?
are you 12?

>>108218426
gamblet

>>108217634
Last time I had a detachable, I was in high school. I detached it on accident, it fell and broke the screen
Fortunately, parents bought an anti-retard protection plan so I got to choose a new laptop at the same price. I chose an Asus zenbook and never missed the detachable gimmick

Why haven't we got cheap salt batteries by now?
Was it all just a meme?

>>108218495
Chinese batteries are already cheap.

>>108217634
>going from a Thinkpad to a gaming Asus
Wow, anon.

I have a P52, bios is clocking the replacement battery as "non-genuine". seems the whitelist is on the ECM, and that can't be easily modded.
Looking around for a quality battery that passes the authenticity check.
I think it's an ECM thing you can't disable by just downgrading the BIOS right? Nothing in the BIOS changelogs suggest they ever added battery authenticity.

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>Charging port stops working on T14 exactly four days after the ebay money back guarantee expires
Fuck. Am I screwed?

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>>108219417
my p15s did that at work. had to get the motherboard replaced.

>>108216354
WEABOOOO

>>108109695
>Oldest that takes 32 GB RAM
Haha, yeah...

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>>108219417
>>108219432
that was right before it wouldn't turn on anymore at all btw. about two months before that it also did it one time but i had to just clear the cmos. made it work for two months.

>>108214212
Will the T580 do it? Also has WWAN

>>108220025
yeah, it's basically the same machine as the T480 but with a larger screen and a numpad. even the batteries it uses are the same

>>108218077
who the fuck uses laptops on their lap?
>>108218426
im interested in the 395+ with 128GB RAM for local AI, i dont gayme
>>108218452
>>108219340
i dont care about the detaching keyboard, but i cant find real laptops with those specs. altho would be kinda neat to be able to use it in bed with this gooseneck arm tablet holder thing i have

>>108220036
What should I be paying for a T480/490? All of them seem to be over the price guides, but the rampocalypse might be doing its thing

>>108220168
120-180 usd lately for the usual quad-core, 8/256, FHD
Friendly reminder that there's little reason to get a T490 if you can get a T480s or T495 with similar specs and price

>>108220168
a few months ago I bought a T480 i7-8650U, 16GB RAM, 512 SSD, Nvidia GPU, for 175€ (it was missing the internal battery though so I had to add about 35€ for a new one)

I still remember buying my fully specced out T480 brand new for $1600. How time flies.

>>108220763
Thank you for your service.

>>108220479
Why is there no reason to go from a 480 to a 490?

>"anon the laptop I got from the client doesn't turn on after yesterdays update"
>no fanspin
>no keyboard backlight
>just the little power LED
>disconnect the CMOS and main batteries
>let it sit for an hour
>thinkpad forgets whatever spergout it was having before and turns back on on again
>"ohmygod thank you"
This was the 4th laptop I "fixed" this way so far, thank to whoever gave me this tip a few months ago

>>108221114
*I meant from a 480 to a 580

>>108221069
Speaking of service, it's due for a battery replacement and some cleaning. Hopefully I don't get screwed with shitty batteries once again.

>>108220763
Euros are still paying that for them today.

>>108221114
The only improvement from T480s to T490 is a slightly better selection of screens. The T490 has worse modularity (soldered wifi, no second SSD), a less sturdy build and a smaller battery. Performance is the same unless you find one of the rare "T490" with a 6-core CPU, ie a pre-rebranding T14G1.

For T480 (non-s) to T490 you also lose the second RAM slot and second battery. And T495 could be a good compromise if you need better graphics than on a T480(s)/T490 but can't afford a T14G1.

>>108221157
T5x0 is T4x0 with a numpad (some of them are literally the same motherboard in a different chassis) so it's just personal preference.

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I need a laptop that's fairly capable for gaming (I'd settle for a good igpu), has good battery life and works well with linux. Does a device like that exist?

>>108221774
Wow, you lose so much for 1 extra inch
The final debate for me would be T480 vs T495 vs T14 (Ryzen)

>>108221894
I can get like 2 hours of battery on X280 playing 2007 games while Linux is working perfectly.
Yippy.

>>108221894
What games do you play? That determines how much (i)GPU power you need.
>good battery life and works well with linux
Avoid Nvidia.

>>108222835
>What games do you play? That determines how much (i)GPU power you need.
mostly old games that should't have any issue running on a igpu. The most hardware taxing game i play is probably tf2.

>>108222882
The AMD Radeon 680M and 780M have really good performance and can easily run TF2 at decent frame rates.
What's your budget?