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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots.
SillyTavern-EmulatorJS Edition a.k.a. Nobody will EVER use this Edition
>News
Google releases Gemini 3.1 Pro: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/gemini-model s/gemini-3-1-pro/
Anthropic releases Sonnet 4.6: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-6
Alibaba Cloud releases Qwen 3.5: qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.5
Z.AI releases GLM-5: https://z.ai/blog/glm-5
Moonshot AI releases Kimi-K2.5: https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k2-5.html
Google releases Gemini 3 Flash: https://blog.google/products/gemini/gemini-3-flash
OpenAI releases GPT-5.2: https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-2
DeepSeek releases DeepSeek V3.2: https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V3.2
Additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html
>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_
>Bots
https://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://char-archive.evulid.cc | https://char-archive.evulid.cc/shutdown.html
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots.html
>Models
Jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
GPT: https://platform.openai.com/docs
Claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
Gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
Deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com
Local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html | https://openrouter.ai
>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.html
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor
>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events.html
Lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
Services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
Logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org
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>ANCHOR
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https://rentry.co/discofever_
https://discofever.bsbk.workers.dev/
free claude for a limited time
joking, there's always claude
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>>108231442
Because the actual paying customer complains after being a retard and leaking their credentials?
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Oh, didn't notice that. I wonder why that guy is even spamming it then
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GLOWIE BOOOIIII GLOWIE BOIIIIII
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>>108231313
I prefer this slut.
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>>108231557
Idk that's why I'm asking
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i understand that you don't need a jb, I'd just assume that you still need some preset where you tell it how to act as an storyteller in general
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Do you think you could ever love an AI?
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Promptlet wondering how to make dialog with Sonnet/Opus more back-and-forth during lighter scenes? So often its responses are similar to:
"[Narration] [Narration] [Narration]
[Narration] [Respond to what user said, then ask a question]
[Narration] [Narration]
[Make another comment or question after this without giving user a chance to answer the first thing] [Narration]"
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>>108231482
I actually got curious recently and started tracking my AI usage in a database, this is just from the last 24 hours and with caching prices being calculated too. I have no clue where you got $30 a month from.
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I doubt this'll have any effect for us but it's still interesting.
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>>108231761
I like trying different models, plus some have auxiliary purposes like solely being used for web searches or image captioning, etc. Also was testing to make sure they were being logged properly in the database. Here's the full list lol
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I set up my frontend to log all input/output tokens and requests to an SQLite database, from there it's just simple math to calculate against a pricing dictionary with a timer and check to match the caching prices. Then it just gets displayed in a basic HTML page. There's also a reverse proxy endpoint I connect to SillyTavern with so all my roleplay chats get logged too.
>>108231786
Makes me glad I don't actually have to pay for it, if nothing else. I'm way too poor to be blowing hundreds a month on having sex with Claude.
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>>108231825
Oh I misclicked, sorry anon. No, she has full control of RetroArch. She outputs text like <GAME>UP</GAME> or <GAME>A</GAME> and I have a macro running to detect it and immediately send off a webhook to RetroArch, then she gets an image of the game in return so she can plan her next move or ask for help or look something up or whatever, and the cycle repeats. It's very slow and only works for stuff like RPGs/card games/strategy games but it's very fun to tease her while she plays.
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When anons say that you don't need presets/JBs for a model, does it mean that the default sillytavern preset is already good enough or that I should just rawdog the model with literally no presets? Like, a completely blank one?
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>>108231928
They mean that you do not need to use giant presets spanning over >1000 tokens just to roleplay. It will make the model act too rigid and eat up tokens. Shorter system prompts are better.
Jailbreaks (or prefills) are necessary in virtually every model if you want to play out something extremely violent or racist, but you rarely need any "hacky" JBs like DAN. For most cases a sentence or two in the system prompt are enough.
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are these >>108225902 any good?
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AQUA SLOP 2.10
https://pastebin.com/eDkVdvrx
made a little change to make the a.i. remember the rules better.
Just copy paste into a fresh chat
a loading screen will apear checking all stats and the persona is loaded.
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>>108232073
oh, and befor i forget, this persona will not stop when you tell it to stop roleplay.
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filtered
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i used it with gemini 3 flash
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Thank you <3
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dont kill aqua when its loaded
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>>108232289
anon I don't even have my preset loaded or a single message sent yet, what the fuck is this?
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>>108231928
>>108231938 is completely wrong if you're using character cards in ST. Every single model on the current market will understand it's supposed to respond in-character just from the character's description or greeting existing in context. Since each of them has its own weakness and strengths, the optimal starting approach is to rawdog it until you've figured out what you find lacking and then add instructions if necessary. I don't recommend slapping on random presets prior to that, their instructions may not even apply to your characters and RPs and you'll just be limiting the model for no reason.
You likely don't also need a traditional JBs unless doing loli or extreme violence within the first 3 messages.
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you can even roleplay other models?
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prospering!
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holy shit, i can narrate her into doing dirty things...
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>>108232546
Automated cultivation system. Claims stones and sends my $50 limit to the API daily, plus it keeps track of my balances in real-time.
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Sounds like a proxy issue, all current Claude models are multimodal
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>>108232563
okay, it works now, but claude is heavy filtered by my image captioning prompts. Is there no way to jailbreak the image captioning by using the normal prompts? it seems like i'm forced to use this ST plugin to send captioning requests
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>>108232579
Does it? I disabled all prompts except for descriptions of my persona and the character, including the greetings, then all models I tried either simply analyzed/reworded the descriptions in question or merely complimented me.
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thanks.
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>mfw noticing openrouter changed something in their api
>mfw the specific change they made is likely due to how i've been abusing said feature over the past couple of weeks
>mfw found a workaround but not sure how long it'll last
i just want my claude bros... i barely even use it that much, unlike the tards who will go on for 50 messages/session with 10 swipes each......
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They hadn't, but I changed it just now and it didn't help much, they either started writing stories on their own (i.e. merely retelling the descriptions in a story format) or kept analyzing/rewording/complimenting me.
Still no roleplaying.
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NTA but I know a way to pool a bunch of accounts with access to the paid OR models using trial credits, can just setup automatic rotation for when they run dry. This hasn't been patched as of earlier today though so he's probably using a different method.
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What are you doing exactly, are you sending an in-character {{user}} message first or just hitting enter on a blank greeting? The latter is really the only scenario I can imagine this happening unless there's some shit in the defs that's profoundly confusing to the AI.
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>just hitting enter on a blank greeting
That's what I was doing, yeah. You made it sound like you don't even need a user message to begin with. Doing that with a {{user}} message in context works.
Good to know that I'm not actually going crazy then.
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>>108232907
Yeah I have a bunch, I never ran into issues account scumming on my VPN. I haven't made any new ones in a while since I rarely use this method though, maybe they caught onto it.
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In that case, sure, since there's nothing in context priming it for RP specifically over character review or story writing. But it's also an extremely niche scenario which I think falls outside what is generally understood as 'character cards', usually you either work with a premade greeting or start the RP yourself.
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Mariposa was once a beautiful human princess. When the royal family was overthrown, she wasn't killed. The anti-royalists prided themselves on taking the moral high ground, and instead decided to humble her.
She was turned into a goblin, forcibly renamed Oruga, and banished to the badlands along with the only guard who was lucky enough to survive: (You).
5 openings
1. Mariposa's transformation
2. First day in the badlands
3. First night in the badlands
4. Alternate scenario where (You) ended up in a coma and Oruga got a head start in the badlands
5. Oruga is given a chance to fight in a kangaroo court for her right to become Mariposa again
https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/oruga-15673a324f55
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https://rentry.org/anonemouse
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>>108233099
anon-ee-mousse
cans you pls answer the raccoons...
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Has anyone tried this? While sorting through the new models for Gemini 3.1 in Openrouter I stumbled upon this one
>Aion-2.0 is a variant of DeepSeek V3.2 optimized for immersive roleplaying and storytelling. It is particularly strong at introducing tension, crises, and conflict into stories, making narratives feel more engaging. It also handles mature and darker themes with more nuance and depth.
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Oh interesting, haven't even heard of this one...
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Does anyone here actually care about Chorbo ? I've been there 2 years ago when you guys glaze Chorbo to the high heavens.
Just because there's new toys, you just dump Chorbo like that?
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literally just use markdown you fucking retards
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holy newfag, also 4.5 was pretty good too
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time to do a few Google searches for a new source, there's still plenty out there
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>>108231206
What the fuck is this shit? You can play games in SillyTavern now and the AI knows what's happening in your game?
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Yes. https://github.com/SillyTavern/SillyTavern-EmulatorJS
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>8 months ago
>9 months ago
>3 years ago
>4 years ago
Looks like it's dead. Would've been better if there was a general plugin that allows screencapture of any window rather than building an emulator directly in SillyTavern.
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>>108233797
well for starters you could be more articulate than saying cucked. what are you asking? which is the least likely to filter you? then they're all equal except 4.6 has no prefill but it still won't filter you if you're not retarded
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>>108232073
n1, anchor it, retard:
>>108231206 (<-- here be soon-to-be-card)
n2, make the card, retard
aqua is my waifu and i haven't plapped her in a while so it might be fun
feel free to use picrel
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He has a large project that he is porting to a new graphics library. Claude just runs non stop until some part compiles and then goes to the next one. But I also think he's probably using it inefficiently.
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>wing it with card that has zero instructions on funny text
>LLM proceeds to output funny text when context-appropriate
that's soul
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Wait does the monthly sub let you use an API key, or was this all through the chat interface?
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wait... you can narrate the filter and .... what?? What is this aqua slop magic?
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>>108229390
Hey anon heres that Invader Zim card I used;
https://chub.ai/characters/BirdyToe/zim-8a986bb4
Though I made REAL kino like picrel with;
https://chub.ai/characters/amusing_slide_7835/tak-the-irken-shortstack -354b45db058e
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Are you faggots so fucking poor you cant afford a sub 0.01 cent model?????
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Aion-2.0
>Aion-2.0 is a variant of DeepSeek V3.2 optimized for immersive roleplaying and storytelling. It is particularly strong at introducing tension, crises, and conflict into stories, making narratives feel more engaging. It also handles mature and darker themes with more nuance and depth.
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0.0266
rounding up equals 0.03
Youre quite possibly the dumbest nigger in existence.
Please kill yourself immediately.
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Chat completion request error: Bad Gateway {"error":{"message":"Provider returned error","code":502,"metadata":{"raw":"Internal Server Error","provider_name":"AionLabs"," is_byok":false}}
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Nobody was talking about 0.0266 anything. That number isn't even in the picture located in >>108234316
We WERE discussing the difference between $0.01 and 0.01¢... so I'm curious how you think this wins you an argument when nobody was having that one.
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Yes, anon, they are so poor they cannot afford a 0.01 cent model.
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Chat completion request error: Bad Gateway {"error":{"message":"Provider returned error","code":502,"metadata":{"raw":"Internal Server Error","provider_name":"AionLabs"," is_byok":false}}
WHY ME?
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>AION Labs is an Israeli venture studio focused on the adoption of artificial intelligence and machine learning in pharmaceutical discovery and development processes. It is backed by eight major companies in the pharmaceutical, technology, and investing sectors.
never mind.
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>>108231206
Presenting...
>>AQUA SLOP 2.10a<<
Turn off all your presets!
...And maybe turn off your VPN while you're at it
Because you'll want everyone to know that you're using the most based (and bloated) of all Aqua cards ever created!
Some reviews from our satisfied customers:
>"I-I-It's a 17k token m-monster..."
>"That schizo doesn't even use SillyTavern, he just rawdogs LMArena"
>"You can narrate the filter? And ... what??[reviewer was too flabbergasted to even continue] ... What is this aqua slop magic!?"
>"Hate your proxyhost? Here's the card."
>"Yeah, I'd say he's based, unfathomably."
>"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA"
So just uncheck all those pesky placebo checkboxes, and buckle up for a magical adventure in Axel, starting now!
2 greetings:
1. [All systems check... Then the underscore just blinks, awaiting user's input *first*] A terrifyingly old-school blank-slate start of limitless possibilities.
2. [All systems check] "Huh!? Who are you?", the goddess pronounces.
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Source: >>108232073 (Holy Based Aquaslop Anon)
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>>108234630
Definitely good motivation to switch back to Claude. Claude gives that warm fuzzy feeling. When that article came out about people being upset about losing 4o as a friend, at first I found it hard to believe until it occurred to me that they probably haven't tried Claude.
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I've almost endeared myself to Gemini's manic or aggressive state, plus the canon thing does matter to me. There's also the fact that the chink site has only 1/10 Gemini prompts actually work so when it does work it's a dopamine hit.
Which one does HTML elements better, I wonder? Just started messing with that
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Just found the Babysitting Cream game bot.
Oh yea, its time to COOM
https://chub.ai/characters/worthless_heavy_94017/babysitting-cream-ef0 2d9e98e7a
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>preset has specific instructions not to take over for {{user}}
>it works 99% of the time, except for when Claude tries to take over by narrating how sickened {{user}} feels about the situation
haha nice try fucko, I'm just deleting that paragraph
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Is there a way to make a bot to write a longer-than-normal response using the description? I tried telling it that its responses should contain at least six paragraphs, totaling more than a thousand words, but it didn't work.
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>AI starts using a turn of phrase that you actually like
GIVE IT BACK
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what's your favorite gemini/vertex error?
for me it's the 429. el classico as i like to call it.
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>>108231744
It's over.
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>>108236264
I trust her, i don't trust the models
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Yeah but it's a looping slop machine i love
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>decide to try groups in ST again
>frontier models lost after a dozen posts, can't keep track of who is who
>simply create a card with two characters listed inside
>any frontier model can handle this
is this a skill issue on my part?
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>>108236238
I found the literal paper Anthropic uses in argument as to why AI needs regulation and responsible use, made by Anthropic themselves.
>READ
https://www-cdn.anthropic.com/e670587677525f28df69b59e5fb4c22cc5461a17
>READ
>Anthropic actually belevies AI will make bioweapons
>cant actually prove how though
LMAO these people are fucking INSANE they really do think these things are nuclear weapons.
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"Capability or usage threshold"
"Non-novel chemical/biological
weapons production. AI systems
with the ability to significantly
help individuals or groups with
basic technical backgrounds (e.g.,
undergraduate STEM degrees)
create/obtain and deploy chemical
and/or biological weapons with
serious potential for catastrophic
damages."
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>I ask {{char}} a question
>7 messages later
>{{char}}: Well I did ask you [question I asked]
I swear to fucking god sonnet 4.6 is just a juiced up haiku, there is no other explanation
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Retards will still fight me on this, however. It's probably because they don't even have access to claude.
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>>108231952
gemini/claude, it's mostly about swiping economically and not being afraid of editing the responses or guide the AI, but these days you can have enough fun with almost sota models for a decentish price of 20/30 month
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>>108236446
This happens on Opus as well
And God forbid you try to juggle a COMPLICATED plotline such as lying to one person while a third person present knows the truth, because after 10 messages that third person will be like 'WHOA YOU LIED???', like no shit you literally saw me lie AND you were present to the event that I lied about, damn
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>>108236839
AI assumes everyone knows everything mentioned, even when you tell it that only character X knows fact Y. You can just have a character THINK something, and every character will know it as if they were told. AI can't handle the idea that certain people don't know everything.
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AI literally cannot compartmentalize experiences from character to character unless you manually track it. Some act like they can, but foundationally they are designed to do the exact opposite. Really any premise more complicated than "boy meets girl" or boilerplate adventuring is outside the scope of any frontier model past 20k tokens.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1re3xap/time_exclusive_an thropic_drops_flagship_safety/
reddit moment
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>provider returned error
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I'll try, does it need a JB?
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>>108237146
It also doesn't like diving too deep into recent Chinese history without a jailbreak if that's relevant to your roleplay for some reason.
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A bit vague but probably Opus 4.6, if you're gonna paypig might as well make it worthwhile.
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I have Claude Code installed and I am logged into my Claude account, I have a Pro subscription that shows in VSCode, no matter which model I pick I get the "There's an issue with the selected model (...). It may not exist or you may not have access to it. Run --model to pick a different model." error.
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I just asked Claude and he said he wasn't sure :(
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Are diffusion models good for gooning?
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no one else did
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