>>108262036
yes

Yes, because my phone is a portable handheld computer and I'm not an algorithm-addicted zoomgroid

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>he fell for the dumb phone meme

>>108262036
>dumbphone
>whatsapp
I never saw such a thing, hence I never took the dumbphone pill.

>>108262052
Doesn't stop drug dealers from using them

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There are no basic phones outside of europe(for now), africa and parts of asia. You can't use any 2G or 3G devices in many places. Anything with a 4G modem has an "SoC" and is a smartphone with a touchscreen & android, KaiOS, et cetera.

https://www.smartviser.com/post/2g-3gnetworkshutdown

There's no point in a smartphone with a flip phone form factor.

I don't care anymore.

>>108262036
>cat connect to BMC, let alone install remote access software

yeah, i do need more

>>108262052

so im supposed to believe someone is going to MITM your sms/calls on a 3g signal, why exactly? are you important? are you relevant? you're not. so this doesn't matter.

you tech addicts will do anything to avoid not looking at a screen

>>108262052
don't smartphones have secret back door stuff that negates all of this? like, this is just theatre.

it's hard to believe that anybody thinks this is even a thing in 2026. like, of course they can get into your phone and see whatever they want if they want to. you using signal or some weird "deblobbed" OS doesn't change that. you don't even have schematics of these electronics. it's pretty absurd. they theoretically could have any number of chips or whatever that circumvent your attempt at having total privacy on a device that has a constant power, a bunch of sensors and is connected to the internet.

there are no dumbphones anymore so it's not like it even matters. they're all the same chips and software now. probably buying an iphone because IDC about this shit

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>>108262036
I have a flip phone, but it's frustrating to use. The keypad will often either not register a key press, or register it twice, with absolutely zero relation to how the keys themselves are pressed. The key that gets used the most is the Clear key, which also suffers from this issue, often deleting more characters than I intended.
I once spent five minutes typing a single sentence because it kept going in a loop of typing too many times and deleting too much.
It's similar to pic related. I fucking hate these keys.

if anyone brings up security, lack of apps, "how will i do an e-transfer", just ignore them. they are missing the entire point. many people here too. they get lost in the sauce regarding the *tech* and complete miss the point that the tech ISN'T the focus. were not using dumb phones to perfect the tech we use, we have it to get AWAY from tech. if you need spoitfy (and when I say need I really mean they "need" it) then you're an addict with a problem and you need to sort yourself out. people think using a dumb phone is like jumping off a cliff, when it's actually just taking one step down and being more grounded. this is a tech forum filled with autists, so I don't expect many to understand it. the ones who do, do.

>>108262437
you're not saying anything new. the problem is that there's no recourse in many places according to >>108262236

>>108262456

that post is BS

first, 2G is available in a ton of areas still (EU), secondly 3g is still available in areas (Canada). Thirdly 4G phones with VoLTE are available and don't run hyper modern OS's (Nokia 225 4G for example). You can absolutely find a 4G phone that doesn't run some form of android or KaiOS. The Nokia 225 doesn't have a touch screen, or modern OS.

The truth is that guy is a fucking doomer loser who has a loser attitude. fuck that guy. put in the work and find something that works. it's out there.

this is also not considering the hyper modern options available, like the light phone, mudita phones, etc. you can absolutely get away from smart phones. yes you might need one at home that sits in a drawer that you use for some bullshit proprietary 2FA app, but that doesn't mean it has to become an appendage and exist on your persons 24/7. it's just loser behavior from losers.

>>108262479
Those Nokias don't have US bands, IIRC. The bands are what matter, and none of the stuff you're talking about has US bands.

>>108262489

yes, they do.

https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-225-4g/specs?sku=16QENG21A02

and there's plenty of others that do as well.

of COURSE the guy shitting on dumbphones couldn't take two seconds to look something up. typical tech addict loser.

>>108262479
They shut down 3g in Canada last year. I was literally forced to buy a new phone because of this.

>>108262509

SOME carriers did. Some did not. I'm still rocking a nokia 3310 3g in Ontario with a $20/mo plan.

You were bamboozled off of a phone and "forced" to buy a new one because you just took what they said at face value and didn't even google it.

Even if 3G goes away tomorrow, you can use a Nokia 225 4G (same OS as the 3310 3g) and you're good to go.

jesus christ you excuse makers STINK

>>108262502
most of them don't. i decided to check again and this is what i see when I narrow it down to Nokias with 2/4/66 bands, which IIRC are a necessity.

https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=1&s4Gs=2,4,66

it's just kaiOS snapdragon featurephones, also they don't actually seem to work in the US as far as i can tell based on reviews

>>108262543

Nokia 2780
Nokia 6300
Nokia 110

If you hate kaios that much you can use the 110.

KaiOS isn't that bad depending on the device. You know what's worse? using a fucking smart phone.

"if it's not perfect then whats the point" - loser attitude.

>>108262044
Use case for portable handheld computers?

>>108262036
i used to have a watch, a calculator, a palmpilot, gps navigation system in the car, dictionary/translator, a wallet with credit cards, a cellphone

now i just have an iphone, life 100% simplified.

>>108262571
seems like a smartphone is better because you can change more stuff about it. people "dumbify" their smartphones and it seems to work, and that doesn't seem possible with KaiOS.

and those phones you mentioned don't seem to *actually* have US bands. they have like, LATAM bands and for some reason they won't run unless you use T-Mobile for some reason and sometimes it still doesn't work. IDK why that is but it's what the reviews say. I looked at the 110 because it looked like it was a REAL basic phone but apparently it doesn't work in the US.

We get it. You read Atomic Habits, or Digital Minimalism by Cal Newport, or whatever.

You're not escaping the matrix because you bought a feature phone instead of a full blown smartphone. There's nothing inherently addictive about smartphones. You're, ultimately, just some gay guy that thinks minimalism is cool[1] and you're looking for a new way to be quirky and make having a flip phone in 2026 a part of your personality.

If your willpower is being drained because you carry around a smartphone then lol. Simple as.

[1] It isn't. You're just neurotic and gay.

previous poster is a retard

the whole point of smartphone is to show you ads

that's it

actual real phones did not have ads and were comfortable to use as a phone to make calls not scroll web pages or apps (web pages)

>>108263230
iphones don't show you ads

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>>108263251
yes it does

>>108262052
except it is obvious that they are non-private and thus there is a very clear security boundary which encourages anyone who cares to act in ways that increase their security

>>108263230
smartphones aren't designed to show you ads. they are agnostic to any of that. you don't have to install any third party applications. you don't even have to use the web browser or app store. a smartphone as a tool is just a phone, GPS, camera, and a web browser.

android phones AFAIK literally will show you ads on the home screen and install random apps to the phone. lol. pretty crazy. iphones don't do this stuff though. if your picture is accurate then i guess they show you ads for apps on the app store, but w/e.

>>108263230
I haven't seen a single ad on my grapheneOS phone.

>>108262585
Computing while in my hand and while I'm not at my desktop.

>>108262036
If Apple made a limited edition dumbphone numbered to 10000 it would be so cool, they could devote a couple Indians dudes to make the UI and probably take them two months tops. Would be awesome.

ive tried a few options for a partway point for my phone uses and ive landed currently on a cat s22 flip but im not entirely happy with it
i like its ergonomics and durability, i like that its just good enough spec wise with android to do a mobile check deposit and somewhat use google maps but not content browse
but the keypad is unreliable and when one of the major aspects of the phone is the keypad thats a problem

but i tried a nokia 225, its not water resistant in the slightest, sweat from my pocket while riding a bike got into the keypad which the microphone is right under and then the mic stopped working and i didnt notice until several phone call attempts in where i was answering and people couldnt hear me
i tried a halfway point sort of thing, keeping an iphone at home for mobile deposits and then using an amazon firephone as my daily carry phone, since its no longer supported at all, it only functions to call + text as well as take photos and listen to music, even the email app doesnt work anymore, the browser doesnt work, it was a nice balance but a 10 year old smartphone has its own set of issues and that just wasnt working

my ideal phone is a flip or bar phone thats somewhat water resistant, durable, and has a good enough camera to do check deposits via a banking app, but a small unusable screen for content
such a device does not yet exist

remove social media and phone games from the equation, and an iPhone is simply a perfected form of the PDA, and is a very useful tool.

the dumbphone meme is such midwit redditor shit. smartphones don't suck and aren't addictive. YOU are addicted to stupid stuff on the smartphone that you'd do on your laptop anyway.

>>108262036
>Let me guess, you need more?
Yes. I need a smartphone for banking stuff, use the national ID for literally everything (payments, signing stuff, log-ins etc).
Without a smartphone I literally cannot pay rent, book a doctors appointment, buy stuff online or anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BankID_(Sweden)

>>108263292
r/fuckalegriaart

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>>108262362
>Telstra Flip 4
>Rebranded ZTE phone
>AUD$149
Bro, you could have a got an Opel or a Nokia 2260 for that much.

>>108266557
It's a bloated, oversized, locked down retard brick. On paper it could have been pretty good, in practice they're all shit AND cancer (i.e. detrimental to society). And they only keep making them worse because they don't know what else to do with them at this point.
You get a "dumb"phone to get rid of the bloat and still have access to calls and a few other things without having to hold the retard brick. It can't do everything, but most people don't need to do everything at all times and simultaneously.

>>108268908
you're just being hyperbolic. smartphones replacing dumbphones was an inevitability regardless of what you need, because people will always buy the thing that can do more stuff that they barely do because emergencies are important considerations. i never use the GPS, but when i do, i really need to.

and modern smartphones have like crash detection and auto 911 call stuff now, and emergency satellite connections if you get lost in the woods or something. people want stuff like that and a dumbphone isn't doing it.

people also want high quality video calls, GPS, camera, et cetera. smartphones are so good now that most people can use them as their only device.

most people don't even need a laptop for anything. you can check banking stuff, health insurance stuff, doctors appointments, stay in touch with friends/family, read a PDF, fill out a form--whatever--from any recent smartphone.

it's not just a phone anymore. it's a personal computer/pocket computer.

>>108266557
Exactly, it is not the technology's fault that you are browsing tiktok and facebook, It is a habit in yourself.
Technology will not become "better" you just have to change how you use it.

>>108262585
It's small enough to fit in the front of your maid apron and lets you write code on the go without the need for bulky peripherals.

>>108262585
if your dumbphone does anything else than calling someone then it's already a handheld computer.
Henceforth, your calculator, calendar, music and whatever the fuck you'd use that is NOT the calling function is courtesy of the fact that your "dumbphone" is closer to a computer than a portable telephone.

>>108272845
BOOM.

>>108262520
>Nokia 225 4G
This looks pretty good in case I need it, making a note. Any other models I should look out for or is this the absolute best one?

>>108262362
keyboards both on smartphones and dumbphones have seemingly degraded in usability
i'm starting to think this is intentional to nudge you into consuming more than creating

>>108266969
>reddit
you need to go back

I would like to switch to a dumbphone. But because they are a niche product afaik noones really making premium quality dumbphones like they used to be back in the day and i dont want to buy cheap garbage as well.
Ive got an old nokia 8800 it feels solid and is quality build, i just want smth like that but cant use that phone.

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>>108262036
>>108262042
I need less actually.

>>108275800
The hardware is acceptable but the software is unstably bad.

Like somehow it's worse than it used to be.

>>108275800
there are zero actual dumbphone options if you live in a place that doesn't have 2G anymore >>108262236. all that you get are a couple of "featurephones" AKA smartphones with T9 keypads that run on kaiOS, which is even worse than android because you certainly can't customize anything about what it's doing in the background like you can with android. IIRC you can't even delete apps from the home screen sometimes. it's a total meme.

>>108276645
There's also S30+ Nokia/HMD phones which I'd but one step above KaiOS: https://www.gsmarena.com/results.php3?sMakers=1&s4Gs=0&idOS=1

>>108276822
They don't have US bands. They're always for asia or LATAM or whatever.

>>108276924
Well that's a bummer. I didn't think there would be a limitation like that as they're available here in the Nordic countries.

>>108262286
>so im supposed to believe someone is going to MITM your sms/calls
You honestly believe these are not intercepted as a default policy?

As for the individual, small group scale, the technilogical barrier isn't high and the equipment cost is low.

>are you relevant? you're not
For most, this is the case.

>you tech addicts will do anything to avoid not looking at a screen
If they're not lookin' at the screen all the time, why'd they need to avoid that?