epic
still getting a pixel

>>108275571
Actually fucking based. Been a motorola fan for a long time and I knew my gut was right.

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>>108275571
Damn, Motorola out of companies is making GrapheneOS phones.
Motorola doesn't sell their phones here.

>>108275571
>Chinese hardware is le secure
Try to spin that m*cay, I dare you, I DARE YOU.
And what SoC is it going to use after shittalking everything but Tensors for the last 5 years?

>Razr 2027 on Graphene
BASED
Google and go FUCK themselves. Especially with their damn locking down of android.

>>108275575
GrapheneOS also said they may stop supporting (new) pixels in the future.

>>108275571
>buy Pixel for Graphene
>its obsolete already

Still good news because they'll hopefully get proper software integration instead of Linux-tier having to read the fine print on what works and what doesnt.

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>>108275571
>lenovo subsidiary
hardcore cringe
>Motorola’s decades of security expertise
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenovo#Security_and_privacy_incidents
never happened. even their former owner's radio/electronics biz compromised their digital encrypted radio systems and sold them all over the world. lenovo is owned by chinks and have the worst security imaginable. daniel is such a massive retard that it's unreal to witness. what a fucking retarded spastic lmao

>>108275571
>On a future device
>No current device can support graphene
Fuck, and I really need to change my phone soon. I don't think I can wait till next year.

switched my main device to GrapheneOS over the weekend
pretty happy, but kinda pissed that AOSP still hasn't figured out a swipe keyboard yet
can't be that to reverse-engineer, surely?

>>108275722
>cringe
we are a pro-lenovo board, get out dell/hpjew

>>108275851
You can install any keyboard you like that includes swipe support (there are good Foss ones). AOSP doesn't update their apps anymore including the keyboard since every android distro replaces them with their own or Google's proprietary apps anyway, so they are heavily outdated. GrapheneOS will include a third party one in the future like heliboard or florisboard.

>>108275789
Just go with a 9a then

>>108275851
Yeah I don't think any of the Gboard features have been backported to AOSP keyboard for like a decade, I would recommend using either Gboard with all permissions denied or FUTO keyboard.

>>108275571
Thats what people were guessing. The other one some people were guessing was OnePlus, but I saw it as less likely since OnePlus is entirely Chinese while Motorola is still headquartered in America.

For GrapheneOS I think this is a good thing for them to finally get away from Google's hardware issues. Been using budget Motorola phones for years and never had any of the hardware issues people with Pixels report.

>>108275667
He says Snapdragons are good. It's only mediatek that he disparages.

>>108275571
>le supersecure OS
>chinese owned brand partnership

Heh nah thx

>>108275571
How long before Motorola drops the partnership because they find out the Graphene dev is a huge sperg?

>>108276085
>>chinese owned brand partnership
jew detected
no one is bothered by chink companies
jew companies are far more evil and people have woken up to that

I'm a oneplus cuck I'm never switching :(

>>108275571
>green middle line of screen death and loose graphic chip motorola
hahahah yeah no

>>108275571
Wait, for real? Does this mean that the next Moto G might come with, or work with Graphene? That' would be amazing!

>>108275571
BASED.
Will GrapheneOS retroactively work with old motorola phones?
I have one and don't want to switch.

>>108276427
I hope so.

>>108276427
>>108276433
Its definitely NOT effective retroactively, the devs have been very clear that no devices on the market today support their hardware requirements.

>>108276423
Its still pretty unclear what exactly the collaboration is from the announcement.
Will Motorola be releasing a device compatible with grapheneOS? Will they be shipping a device with graphene preinstalled?
Will multiple devices be compatible?
I know from browsing their forums that they really prioritize having a flagship soc so there's a chance this whole thing is only for a high end phone.

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MOTO CHADS WE FUCKIN WON

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just kidding i couldnt care less about glowpheno, but MOTOROLA is still based.

Chinese century.

>>108275571
i would rather be a jewcattle than use a chink phone

>graphene only works on pixels
>"nooo you can't trust jewgle hardware it will have backdoors!"
>graphene works with a non-google company to make a compatible phone
>"noooo I'm not trusting a chink phone it will have backdoors!"

There is literally no alternative. Anything US-made will be NSA backdoored. EU doesn't make any smartphones, and a first-time manufacturer is guaranteed to make something underpowered, overpriced and janky. Anything Korean (i.e. Samsung) is going to be both NSA and China backdoored at the same time.
I don't live in China so honestly a chink backdoor is the least worst option as far as I'm concerned. AND you don't have to pay money to google anymore.

>>108276553
The obvious solution here is to use the Motorola phone as a daily driver since China has every incentive to not provide backdoor access to western governments, and keep a pixel for any travel to china.
I just bought a pixel 9a and I plan on keeping this as long as it works as my backup/travel device and I'll eventually switch to the GOS compatible moto phone for my daily use.

That's cool and all, but i'm still gonna be using my Pixel.
>>108276552
We know

>>108276552
Retard

>>108276427
>No, only future phones. Motorola Signature (2026) is close to meeting our requirements including 7 years of support but it isn't quite there. There's work ongoing right now to make devices meeting all of our requirements.

https://bsky.app/profile/grapheneos.org/post/3mg3bbtyuv222

>>108276657
>they are using bluesky
Project 100% compromised.

>>108276669
They use a ton of social media, look at how active they are on Twitter https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/with_replies

>>108276669
>100% compromised
I'm not that pessimistic, it's much more likely that they're just retarded anon.

>>108275571
Cool. I would love someone like Nothing (enthusiast-level manufacturers) to do the same.

>>108275851
I would recommend AnySoftKeyboard, swipe function works very nicely

>>108275851
FUTO keyboard is the second best after Gboard. And the first based if you care about that it's fully local only (no network connection).

https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2028467554176360661
>Look at the Motorola Signature (2026) and Motorola Razr Fold (2026) for an idea of what the future devices supporting GrapheneOS will provide. We're not making the decisions about the hardware beyond it meeting our security requirements.
Looks like they will definitely be focusing on high end flagships (from 2027), hopefully some of the budget phones meet the criteria further down the road.

Oh goodie, my 7a is still working great but it's nice to know that if it kicks the bucket in a couple of years I'll have a non-google option to upgrade to.

>>108275925
Lenovo broke the certificate store. I can't imagine a company doing anything worse. So whoever still even has attention on Lenovo is a retard.

https://www.digicert.com/blog/lenovos-superfish-adware-perils-self-signed-certificates

>>108276270
If the chinks leave backdoors for spying on their own people you believe the jewnited states spooks can't find them?

>>108275571
Fuck. I wish it would have been Sony. Their Xperia line have great design, great cameras, 3,5 mm jack, microSD or physical dual SIM.

>>108276446
>Will Motorola be releasing a device compatible with grapheneOS?
They will, it's unclear if you can flash it yourself or is preinstalled only.

>Will they be shipping a device with graphene preinstalled?
Yes. They said it last year when they didn't announced which company they partnered with. You'll need to get the GrapheneOS edition to have it preinstalled. The regular edition will have the customisations of Motorola.

>Will multiple devices be compatible?
It's on a per device basis, same as Pixels.

>I know from browsing their forums that they really prioritize having a flagship soc so there's a chance this whole thing is only for a high end phone.
Very likely. Their self imposed hardware requirements are very strict, only high end will cover the costs.

>>108276006
>>108276729
>FUTA keyboard
>FUTA Source First Licence 1.1
Atrocious licencing.

>>108276812
Yeah they've been sending out a ton of tweets with more information over the past hour.
They clarified that they will prioritize the Motorola signature and Razr by 2027 with potential support for budget phones in the future if they meet hardware requirements.
>You'll need to get the GrapheneOS edition to have it preinstalled
Interesting, I wonder if Motorola will exert some pressure on app devs to add support for graphene since a few services don't work fully/at all right now.

>>108276812
The license is alright. The only thing that I would truly want from source-available programs is fully reproducible builds.

>>108276760
>Only high end device
Here goes my wish of owning a schizo phone with a headphone jack

>>108275571
>Motorola’s decades of security expertise
/me shudders

>>108275592
>Been a motorola fan for a long time
Late 90s they wasn't too bad. 2k+ they went downhill fast.

>>108276940
https://xcancel.com/GrapheneOS/status/2028476244539346995
Maybe they'll support a budget phone, you just have to wait a few more years.

>>108276946
Moto made really good phones when they were under Google as well, first gen moto X was one of the best smartphones I've used and it remained solid for the next 2 generations as well

>>108276812
>I wish it would have been Sony. Their Xperia line have great design, great cameras, 3,5 mm jack, microSD or physical dual SIM.
Same. If you're on android your only choices are Sony, Motorola and Pixel
Such a shame. Still going to be cucked with a notched phone to have a secure mobile device

>>108277041
We lost the notch battle
We lost the headphone jack battle
We lost the expandable storage battle
But it looks like at least we haven't lost the privacy battle just yet.

I still dream of a Framework x GrapheneOS collaboration for a phone though.

>>108276006
>>108276729
>>108276845
That licence is literally illegal in the EU, and probably in many other jurisdictions.
The software provided does not have a warranty, yet they ask to buy a licence. I know that you can still use the software without buying one but the principle still stands.
It is illegal to not provide a warranty and support when selling products or licences.
To comply they must have two separate licences, they can keep this one and have a second one that they sell where they do offer warranty and support.

>>108277041
>>108277049
Don't forget the removable battery battle

>>108277079
Who gives a fuck, the "license" is just for donating to them. I can't think of a more pointless issue for a legal system to tackle.

>>108277097
EU is going to make removeable phone battery official next year. Unfortunately, Motorola already found a loophole for the mandatory 5 years updoot requirement by simply NOT providing any updoot in the first place.
Things aren't looking bright

>>108277122
>Motorola already found a loophole for the mandatory 5 years updoot requirement
Isn't this a nonissue if GrapheneOS is providing the updates?

>>108276691
>>108276693
I don't know every project that's too close to trannies seems to be compromised. What's next a complet rust rewrite?

Also, is that schizo still in charge? He was kinda based.

>>108277143
Yes, the schizo is in charge. I can almost guarantee you that his logic is just to post everywhere, with no regards to trannies or lack thereof.

>>108277143
Yes Daniel Micay is still in charge even though he claimed he was stepping down

>>108277122
>Motorola already found a loophole
that is not a loophole
eu laws are not common law, they are roman law, laws are specific and no open to a lot of interpretation that the courts need to clarify. tech corpos like to pretend that but it is not the case

>>108277151
>>108277160
Ok that's a relief then. Hope everything works out, I always wanted to try graphene, but jewggle doesn't sell pixels in my shithole turdworld country.

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>>108277119
Here's your "donation" bro: https://pay.futo.org/api/PaymentPortal

>>108277217
1. How is this different than winrar?
2. Why have you chosen this topic to be so angry about?

>>108277233
Winrar provides warranty and support.
FUTO products do not have any of that, according to their licence.

>>108275571
>look up Motorola on GSMArena
>in the past 5 years they've made 0 phones under 140mm, or even under 150mm
I don't need my daily phone to have GrapheneOS as much as I need it to not be an oversized brick. I hope GrapheneOS at least makes a desktop build or partners with a laptop manufacturer.

>>108277323
Manlet

>>108277323
your only options for a normal sized phone are base iphone/galaxy S

>>108277323
Neither have pixels, as far as I know. It's just the world we live in.

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>>108275571
Louis Rossmann on suicide watch. He tried to kill the best open source phone OS, but he failed. Like his FUTA license. Honestly just fuck him.

>>108277464
What did he even accomplish with FUTO?
Grayjay came out and it's still a janky piece of shit that's worse than libretube.
I think by the time the keyboard was released he was already gone.

>>108277474
Some billionaire was paying him to shill it, so that he could move people away from FOSS licenses. But he failed miserably.

Let's fucking gooooo

>>108277464
>Like his FUTA license.
maximum kek, so much for the darksest eyes ranting guy

Limitations

You may use the software for any purpose.

You may modify the software only for non-commercial purposes such as personal use for research, experiment, and testing for the benefit of public knowledge, personal study, private entertainment, hobby projects, amateur pursuits, or religious observance, all without any anticipated commercial application.

You may distribute the software or any part of its source code only if you do so free of charge for non-commercial purposes.

Notwithstanding the above, you may not remove or obscure any functionality in the software related to payment to the Licensor in any copy you distribute to others.

You may not alter, remove, or obscure any licensing, copyright, or other notices of the Licensor in the software. Any use of the Licensor’s trademarks is subject to applicable law.

>>108276016
>He says Snapdragons are good.
does the latest snapdragon elite 8 gen 5 electric boogaloo support memory tagging, as required according to the GOS FAQ? previous SDs didn't.

>>108277600
I don't know the specifics but they have explicitly clarified that the new devices announced today do not meet their requirements, but by 2027 they will. They also said they aren't lowering their requirements, so yes it's safe to assume by 2027 the SD SOC will support memory tagging.

>>108277441
I know. That's why I don't use them.

>>108277360
Even those are too big. I'm using an iPhone SE 3 as my main phone. Don't want anything even a mm larger than it or a g heavier than it.

>>108277662
12/13 mini are smaller and lighter than the se3. 13 mini has the same chip as se3, longer battery life, ip68, better cameras, et cetera

>>108275571
This is exciting news. I had a moto g with the backside modules, cool design idea might come back from pixel

>>108275722
Lenovo makes the best enterprise laptops wtf you on about

>>108276446
What are their hardware requirements? I'd personally like to see mechanical switches for data, microphone, speakers, and cameras.

>>108277746
https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices

>>108275575
Google can't make batteries that don't rape themselves.

This is such great news, because Google Pixel phones are the most overpriced piece of shit ever. You can get phones with same specs for nearly half as much from a Chinese brand. Motorola makes much more affordable phones.

>>108276946
>they wasn't too bad
shii nigga, y'all gotta chill out forreal

>>108277719
the 13 mini suffers from being awkward to use one handed since there is no bezel at the bottom

>>108277835
>Google Pixel phones are the most overpriced piece of shit ever
You're supposed to buy models that are released at least 2 years ago, not the new stuff.

>>108277886
What's the point in doing this when you can already upgrade for pennies with trade in + black Friday sale?

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>>108275571
Why should I get this over the Yellow Man's OS?

>>108278060
Keeping your old device because non-pozzed devices will become a rarity in 10 years considering how much the US and the EU are pushing for digital surveillance recently.

>>108278117
1. English language
2. Interoperability with western software
3. No Chinese spyware

>>108277886
and have degraded battery life, no thanks

>>108278136
first 2 are available, it comes with an android emulation layer.

>>108278136
>it comes with an android emulation layer.
But what about Windows and Linux emulation layers?

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>>108275571
That's pretty fucking rad.
I swear to god Lenovo/Motorola are the last real Gs out there

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>>108276729
>FUTO keyboard
FUTO keyboard is proprietary. I will never use proprietary software. FlorisBoard is a free and open-source.

NEVER USE PROPRIETARY NON-FREE SOFTWARE.

>>108278225
Its not proprietary, its just not "free"
https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime

>>108276729
FUTO sucks ass with text prediction compared to GBoard and SwiftKey.

>>108276195
>>108277143
>>108277160
>>108277204
I really do hope he can contain himself until they can't pull out anymore
>>108276657
>>108277804
I also hope he makes compromises rather than killing the collaboration (and huge opportunity) in true sperg fashion
>>108277464
Never delved into that lore. Seems like needless infighting between people who share similar values and goals

>>108278238
>You may modify the software only for non-commercial purposes
>You may distribute the software or any part of its source code only if you do so free of charge for non-commercial purposes
That counts as proprietary (according to both the FSF and OSI definitions)
One concrete problem is that if it becomes abandonware or just goes in a direction you don't like it'd be dicey for a fork to so much as accept donations

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>>108277323
seems I'll have to keep sticking to my iPhone 13 Mini. sad!

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>>108275571
>>108276657
>including 7 years of support
Nice. Wonder if they'll bring it to tablets as well. Was considering getting a pixel tablet, but sister gave me her old ipad.

>>108275571
(((GoyOS)))

>>108278579
t. crying (((Cellebrite))) employee

>>108278579
based postmarketos enjoyer

>>108278238
I love when people say something isn't free but it is open-source. No you idiot, the open-source definition and 4 freedoms are the same as in what licenses qualify for them. The open-source definition is just the Debian free software guidelines renamed.

Source-available licenses are proprietary licenses since it doesn't give you freedom.

>>108278579
Retard

>>108277464
If he actually called it FUTA it would be so much more based. I'd support it for the name alone.

>friends change phone every couple of years
>the motorola I got for $100 6 years ago still works perfectly and bettery lasts a week

>>108278640
how does this affect me as somebody who uses this keyboard. the default on graphene sucks balls so i decided to give this futa a shot. why should i care if its source available instead of open source? it doesnt even have internet access

>>108279060
Yeah this is the thing freetards don't understand.
As far as my phone keyboard goes I only care about it being free/open source/source available/whatever to verify it isn't siphoning my data away. I can appreciate the issues with the restrictive license but that's not enough of a reason for me to stop using it, especially when the next best FOSS alternative is significantly worse.
In fact I would sooner use gboard with denied network permission than florisboard.

>>108278640
>Source-available licenses are proprietary licenses since it doesn't give you freedom.
Cuck mentality. Anything that is open source can be taken, used, modified and redistributed at any time. Real men don't give a fuck about licenses.

theres also Heli Board (FOSS) with the proprietary swiping library from Google

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I don't see how Motorola devices would be less backdoored than Google devices in principle. They're both amerigolem companies

>>108279210
theres levels to the golemry. google is the worst so at worst its no worse than graphene on pixels

>>108278579
Glowing brighter than a 1000 suns.

>>108279060
>>108279119
See >>108278315
The FUTO Source First licence is anti developer and anti external contributions.
Without developers and money (such as donations) you get no software.
Furthermore, this is actually a cuck licence (even more so than MIT). If you submit patches, fork the project, add new features, etc, you know, something that a normal developer would do, you still cannot make money off of it (as in asking for donations or paid versions), you cannot change the licence, the original developer (FUTO) gets to keep all the money and code ownership, and you can't remove the functionalities that allow payments to FUTO.

>>108279169
True but you'll get fucked by lawyers the moment you redistribute software you don't have the rights to.

>>108279210
Google is an american company, therefore any potential backdoors would be accessible to the US (and potentially European) agencies, but NOT Chinese.
Motorola is a Chinese company, therefore any potential backdoors would be accessible to China but NOT the US.

>>108276553
>EU doesn't make any smartphones
fairphone

>>108279320
the other anon essentially explained all that already. i agree its not ideal but i dont think has any practical effect for me (a non developer)

>>108279455
doesnt meet the security criteria for GrapheneOS

>>108279461
As a non-developer you benefit from being able to switch to a fork in case the original project goes bad or the fork is simply better. I use a lot of software that was originally forked from some older project.
This is maybe not a huge deal for keyboards because keyboards don't have much lock-in, you can just switch to a completely different keyboard and get used to it in a day or so. But it's still not irrelevant.
(Personally I dislike these licenses enough that I don't want to encourage them by using the software.)

>>108279528
okay that makes sense and now that i think about i do certainly use software that were forked from old projects. just installed futo on a whim after being sufficiently annoyed with the default keyboard on graphene. should i give something like florisboard a shot?

>>108276946
Value wise they are still pretty good. Generally on the cheaper end, and unless you're a silly phone gamer you have enough to do whatever you want on them.

I miss Minuum.

>>108279642
NTA but I use HeliBoard.
Your open source options are:
- HeliBoard
- FlorisBoard
- AnySoftKeyboard
- Simple Keyboard
- Fossify Keyboard

Avoid these (abandonware):
- OpenBoard
- AOSP keyboard

>>108279959
NTA but which of these is best with either good predictive typing for typos and/or good swiping, if such a thing exists?

>>108277122
>EU is going to make removeable phone battery official next year
that has a loophole, by making the phone water resistant

>>108280069
Being waterproof itself isn't enough. There's also an additional criteria of needing to hold 80% charge after 3 years of extreme usage in which zero smartphone on the planet Earth fits this criteria.
Then again, I expect all phone manufacturer to cheat it somehow.

>>108280093
The donut battery will fix this

>>108280093
>in which zero smartphone on the planet Earth fits this criteria.
my chinkphone has 90+% capacity left after 4 years, charging every day. I do limit charge to 85% though

>>108275712
Old pixels still get updates, what are you on about?

>>108275571
>The same company that manufactures ALPRs is partnering with a "Pirvacy focused" OS
Lol, lmao. Graphene is about to get it's puckered anus ripped open by motorola's jeets, just enough to let daddy guberment take a peek inside just to make sure you're not doing anything not guberment approved.

>>108279972
Gboard with network permissions denied

how do I set up google pay with NFC on graphene os?

>>108280609
You don't

>>108280625
I need it, it's non negotiable. I can do without the rest of the google apps, but not that one

>>108275571
OH SHIT
YEAH BAYYYYYY BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


HELLO MOTO

HELLO GRAPHENE OS

GET FUCKED PIXEL SCUM FUCK GOOGLE FUCK GOOGLE FUCK GOOGLE

>>108280698
You don't because Google Pay is your phone screaming I am here come shag me arse it's extra pooey and gooey tonight. Graphene keeps your arsehole clean and no matter how much you wave that shiny clean arsehole in Google's face they aren't going to enter it

Google won't let you do it
They don't want clean arseholes
Dirty Pooey Gooey Pay only

>>108280609
There's this Curve Pay thing that works on graphene. If you want actual Google Pay you have to use only official unrooted unmodified non-custom android and nothing else ever ever.

>>108280698
You know you can just use your cards to tap to pay right? Sure you need to take out your wallet and grab a card but that's a pretty negligible "setback" compared to what GOS is offering

>>108280740
don't you need to make a bank account contract with them though?

>>108280742
nigga you think I carry cards on me? like some broke ass motherfucker? ARE YOU CRAZY

>>108280776
Yes. Well I don't remember the details but you do need to sign up for some kinda financial access and shit, give them your bank details. But you'd need to do the same for google too, the difference is you can install Curve on non-"official" builds of android like GOS.

I don't use any of that shit but if it's "non-negotiable" for you these are basically your only two options, I'm just telling you what reality is right now. Yes it's all shit unfortunately.
IIRC Apple's solution is unironically better because they don't get to track your every single transaction, but you still have to explicitly sign up your bank account with them just the same and of course it's also only on official iOS so just as locked down as Google Pay, just from a different vendor.

>>108280816
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Are you a girl? Because if you're a man you should be carrying a wallet around.

Chink motorola is pretty much the only outfit offering budget phones to the US at chink import prices (which are impossible to import to the US due to volte whitelisting) so that's nice, but they also only support them for like 1 update.

>>108280893
One of GrapheneOS requirements is 5 years of software updates, so for this collaboration Motorola will have to commit to at least that

>>108280879
Nigga who the FUCK still carries a fucking wallet around you sound insane and BROKE

>>108280893
GrapheneOS supports forcing volte, even when the provider officially doesn't support it for that phone model.

>>108280925
Post your w2

>>108276553
I am not sure why they never reached out with fairphone. I think the dev dislikes them but why wouldnt they try to work with them to see if they can come around their requirements?

>>108280934
PAPERWORK now? NIGGA PLEASSEEE

>>108279455
>>108280937
It looks like people asked this on twitter in response to the motorola announcement, and micay's answer is basically that Fairphone just resells a phone built by a chinese OEM, where they give desired specs but don't actually design the phone themselves and leave that up to the OEM. One tweet said something like "Fairphone's relationship with the ODM is similar to what our relationship with Motorola is".
So fairphone's phones are not just secure enough but they don't have enough control and input for GOS to even be able to meaningfully work with them to manufacture better phones.

>>108280937
Yeah every time fairphone is brought up they shit on them pretty hard. I can't really blame them though just from the little I've heard about it...
https://www.howtogeek.com/fairphone-4-android-15/
https://www.androidauthority.com/fairphone-4-bricked-update-3627690/

it's not inconceivable since they're owned by lenovo. it's cool though, I will consider a motorola when buying a new a phone

>>108275571
HOLY FUCK, thank you OP, this just made my day! inb4 GrapheneOS general.
>Lenovo’s ThinkShield
What is this? Linux bros? Thinkpad bros?
>WOW
I'm impressed. Sure, this is "official" support, but I feel like this could be more vulnerable to **state actor** backdoors. Lets hope no 3 latter agency will knock on motorolas door.

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How did a non-profit organisation convince a for profit business to change the internals of their phones? Did they say,
>Hey, here's how many phones Google sells each year and this percentage is on GrapheneOS. If we ditch Google for you, you pick up XYZ% market share.
I don't get what's in it for Motorola.

>>108275571
Making this mainstream is going to turn this GOS into the doge charger of phones, once a certain demographic figures out it's features they are all going to buy them. Mostly to cheat and spread seed if I was a betting man with how it handles multiple sims and workspaces.

>>108281144
GrapheneOS mentioned somewhere that Motorola said some of those security features were things they were already looking into. Motorola also has a line of security focused phones with their ThinkPhone, which has a better update policy. Perhaps they want to lean more into that security angle.

I wish it came sooner. Just bought my pixel.

>>108281182
Same, end of last year. But honestly I'm fine with it, I just have a bit FOMO. Btw, does the Motorola use a snapdragon chip?

>>108281197
They do in their flagship models.

>>108275571
Its over.
The glowies got Graphene

>>108275667
I trust my data in the hands of Chinese more than this cucked mossad owned government in the US.

>>108281197
The high end Motorola's use snapdragon and I don't think we will ever get GrapheneOS support for MediaTek chips

>>108281144
IMO it's good marketing. GOS has been getting shilled a bit lately by the likes of Pewdiepie and other normie e-celebs. Generally tracking and privacy is entering the normie public consciousness more and more. Right now though GOS is a custom OS that you have to manually flash, granted it really is very easy, but a lot of people are genuinely scared of doing anything of the sort no matter what.
I think Motorola genuinely believes there's marketshare to be gained from catering to the privacy/security market by offering an officially supported, officially partnered and preinstalled GOS phone. Personally I think I would agree.

>>108275571
this is great news because motorolla phones can be pretty cheap and decent quality. i had one 2-3 phones ago and liked it a lot.

when is the expected release date?

>By combining GrapheneOS’s pioneering engineering

it's going to be jeetshit isn't it

>>108281339
Next year apparently

>>108275678
>>Razr 2027 on Graphene
for real thats actually the chuddest thing i can think of

>>108281331
>I think Motorola genuinely believes there's marketshare to be gained from catering to the privacy/security market by offering an officially supported, officially partnered and preinstalled GOS phone.
I'd buy one every time I want a new phone.

>>108281472
you are lacking in imagination my friend

>>108281339
GrapheneOS requires a high end SoC for the hardware security features. So the models that will be supported won't be cheap. Motorola Signature 2027 will probably be the first supported phone and razr ultra will likely be next. Budget phones with mediatek or lower end Qualcomm SoCs will never be supported.

>>108281580
This is true but even looking through Motorola's flagship phones they are much cheaper than other foldable flagships from competitors.

>>108276195
as soon as motorola devs start lagging behind aosp updates to pixels, so max month after release

>>108280698
pretty sure you managed just fine without it a couple years ago

>>108281144
The only thing Motorola phone has going on is being a cheap Xiaomi phone without the cancerous MIUI and adwares that come with it.
Appealing to drug cartels and schizos to sell more phones is a smart move because GrapheneOS guy did it for free

>>108280204
>I do limit charge to 85% though
That's not typical use.

>>108280893
Most of the popular manufacturers promise 5-7 version updates.

>>108282849
>being a cheap Xiaomi phone
Aren't Xiaomi phones extremely cheap anyway?

>>108276270
>Sent from my HarmOnlyOS eunuch coded trifold glassware that crack on day one

>>108282906
>>I do limit charge to 85% though
>That's not typical use.
It could be if the firmware forced it

>>108280925
wait where do you carry your ID and driver's license? Your insurance cards etc?
Are you a middle aged woman with a huge phone case that has card slots?

Considering how much I hate Pixels, this is good news. I wish it was Samsung, though.

>>108275571
This is awesome, Motorola chads wins again. Maybe this will be the push needed for killing Play Integrity. I'd love to install it but here in Italy Play Integrity blocks two necessary government apps with a third maybe on the way.

>>108283300
Pixels will start doing this after X amount of charge cycles going forward and you can't turn it off.

>>108275571
I find it so hard to hate lenovo and Motorola. I mean lenovo is chink shit but they're consistently the most based, best value laptops

>>108283312
zoomers don't drive

>>108283473
which apps are those?

>>108275571
Awesome.

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They should partner with RedMagic gaming phones from China. They are some of the most powerful phones out there for gaming, but they have a problem with slow OS updates and software bugs. If Graphene implemented an optional gaming control dashboard that controls processor, temp, fps, screen record for gaming highlights, they could probably make money from that from gaming phones to fund all the other privacy stuff.

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>>108278238
DO NOT INSTALL PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE. PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE IS UNKNOWN BLACK BOX AND YOU CAN'T TRUST IT. Based on the "FUTO Source First License 1.1-kb" and other things from the repository, FUTO keyboard is proprietary.
>fails OSI Definition (non-commercial restrictions)
>fails FSF's Four Freedoms
>cannot build commercial derivatives or sell distributions
>the README states: "Due to custom license, pull requests to this repository require signing a CLA."
>core keyboard code remains under FUTO's proprietary license

The FUTO keyboard's source code is under proprietary license and unusable for all purposes, the restrictions on modification and distribution make it proprietary, not open source. It is dangerous and difficult to use, modify, or distribute it, you would need to contact FUTO Holdings, Inc. for separate licensing terms to use this proprietary software and it's proprietary code. DO NOT INSTALL PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE. PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE IS UNKNOWN BLACK BOX AND YOU CAN'T TRUST IT.

>>108276729 >>108276845 >>108277119 >>108277233
>>108279060 >>108279169 >>108279461 >>108279642

DO NOT INSTALL PROPRIETARY SOFTWARE
>>108283817 >>108278225

>>108283817
I argued against the license in another post but it's silly to call it a black box, there exists a margin between free software and a black box and this falls within that margin

>>108283764
>gaming phones from China
who needs a gaming phone? buy a PlayStation

>>108283882
Proprietary spyware is dangerous to install on your devices. Never use proprietary non-free software.

>>108283966
Does it spy on you?

>>108276270
>hurr if it's the chinks spying on me that's based because it's not the jews

dumbass lol

>>108284062
Unironically yes.
I mean nobody spying on you would be even better but in the world we live in that's not possible. So chinks spying is the best option for anyone living in the west.

>>108283764
>They should
The graphene schizo dev has repeatedly stated that they're fully open to supporting any device meeting their security requirements. The onus is entirely on RedMagic (or anyone else) to implement the required security features to allow graphene to be ported (like Motorola is doing now for example).

>>108284062
What happens when Israel spies on you:
>denied entry to your home country for illegal charlie kirk memes
>ICE sent after you if you legally protest the government
>all your messages + social media accounts scanned to see if you disapprove of the current regime

What happens when China spies on you:
>

>>108275571
Holy based, I love motorola so much it's unreal.

>>108275571
If Motorola start selling smartphones without Google's android slop I will buy one, it is Google playstores datamining spamware that they want to lock everyone in with is making me abandon android phones

Kudos to Motorola if they cut google out of their phones because I will buy one for sure

Based.
But how long till Schizo Dan opens his fat mouth and starts claiming the Motorola CEO is trying to kill him based on a youtube comment?

>>108284415
>>ICE sent after you if you legally protest the government
Show me any evidence they do this
and no the fat libshit women on Ticktok do not count. Court documents please.

you guys enjoying your sanctioned competitioned-controlled (((GoyOs)))?

>>108279455
Fairphone doesn't make phones, they order phones off a Chinese manufacturer. So instead of Graphene working w the OEM, you have a middleman.

>>108284575
You know it's over for humanity when people on /g/ of all places start defending blatant government overreach.

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/blog/ices-secret-warrantless-home-entry-policy/
https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/13/technology/dhs-anti-ice-social-media.html
https://freespeechproject.georgetown.edu/tracker-entries/apple-and-google-remove-ice-monitoring-apps-bowing-to-trump-administration-pressure/

So basically
>they think they can enter your home without a warrant signed by a judge
>if you don't like it and are vocal about this online the government wants to collect your information
>you are also not allowed to talk about the names or locations of ice members

>>108275667
>security is only when your own government can spy on your data
>china xares about your shitposting

I'm surprised to see the positive sentiment about Motorola here.
I liked their phones when they were under Google but stopped paying attention ever since - do they actually make good shit?

>>108284062
chinks will not freeze my bank account for wrong think
>>108284415
This

>>108285633
Personally my most positive sentiment is that we have a confirmed alternative that's not literally google themselves. The single most common complaint I've seen people have about graphene is that you have to buy a google phone to be able to avoid google on your phone.
Otherwise my impression of motorola is that they make midrange shit that's pretty decent. It's not ad-ridden subsidised garbage like some of the ultra-chink brands like Redmi, it's not overpriced wannabe apple like Samsung, they have no particular scandals or egregious spyware incidents under their belt, and they have many years of experience making decent enough smartphones.

>>108275571
Fuck.. is it over?
https://nitter.net/iAnonymous3000/status/2028501234789789832

>>108284030
We can't know because it is proprietary non-free black box. Never use proprietary spyware.

>>108286064
you can look at the code of this one

>>108280698
I'm in the same boat. I use contactless exclusively and it feels like ancient times when I have to reach for a wallet.

I switched to graphene last year after using samsungs for like +10 years, and kept samsung watch. I have googol wallet on that, works fine.

>>108285997
>Lenovo is Chinese, and China has laws for forcing companies to share data
As does the US
>US agencies don't use Lenovo products because of Chinese intelligence risks
Obviously, neither do Chinese agencies use US products if they can help it for the exact same reasons
>Motorola Droid phones were silently transmitting personal data (including email and social media passwords) to Motorola’s servers every 9 minutes (often unencrypted).
As do Google phones to Google, including the various times it came to light that changing privacy settings like location doesn't affect what Google actually receives
>privacy class action was filed alleging that Lenovo’s own website tracking technologies expose American behavioral data to Chinese entities.
As opposed to every single western company exposing everyone's behavioural data to American entities

In all of the above, the only point of note is Lenovo's Superfish rootkit, and the rest is bad faith.

>Google Pixels use the [...] a security chip...
>Motorola does NOT have this.
Obviously, which is why they're partnering with Graphene to produce new phones for this
>GrapheneOS publishes a list of hardware requirements...
>Current Motorola hardware, including the flagship Motorola Signature, does not yet meet these standards.
Obviously, which is why they're partnering with Graphene to produce new phones for this.
These points are utterly retarded, I have no idea why he put these in even when trying to discredit Motorola; this is the entire POINT of the announcement (that they will make a compliant device in the future).

>a hardware kill switch is not a total solution.
I assume he believes the lack of a hardware killswitch, like on Pixels, is a total solution then?

tl;dr: "Sooraj" the pajeet is trying to astroturf

>>108284987
>boo hoo my tracking app to hide illegals and somali scammers got removed
Ironic because remember when all you libshits got people fired for wrong think over trannys?
So fuck off and get ICED.

>>108286603
yup there it is, you blew your fuse.
You have nothing to actually say, you have imagined my political positions in your head and it made you upset which is why you're lashing out like a toddler.
I'll let you in on some advice that all adults with an IQ of more than 85 know: all politicians are snakes and you should not become emotionally attached to any of them. People can also criticize a politician without agreeing with their opposition.

>>108286603
Who said anything about trannies retard?

>>108286671
>he deleted his post
LOL!

>>108275851
>>108276006
>>108276729
>>108277304
Use HeliumBoard its better than FUTO and its FOSS https://github.com/Helium314/HeliBoard/releases

>>108275851
Literally just install GBoard and deny it network access. You will start to grok why this is a better model than GNU/Linux.

If you know Daniel Micay, you know why this partnership is doomed to fail

>>108288876
Why is it so hard for them to hire a tard wrangler for him? He's clearly an autistic genius when it comes to actual development work but he needs to be kept far away from any kind of social media or PR.

>>108288888
Checked
It's (mostly) his project, so he gets to call the shots. No one could possibly take it from him because they don't have any stake in it. Daniel probably doesn't believe he's mentally ill, which makes it way harder. Anyone left on the project is either a sycophant or just deals with it.

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imagine picrel + 3.5mm jack

>>108289568
Is there anything about this phone which carries forward the spirit of old thinkpads or is it just sharing the branding?
Also it has a mediatek chipset so will never have GrapheneOS support.

>>108289599
I think its just branding honestly

>>108289599
They just take the existing edge phone and make it black.
The only real feature is 5 years update policy

>>108289568
I can't believe thinkphones are real, this is so cool

>>108275571
I love the motog stylus. It would be great if their phones has a meaningful bootloader unlock

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>>108289568
>headphone jack
>physical buttons to disable wifi,camera, mic etc
>Make the camera flat again.
>Iphone X size
I'm sold.

>>108290396
>>Make the camera flat again.
I wouldn't want this as it would make the camera worse, unless the thickness of the whole phone increased whilst increasing the battery size.

(or adding a bump on the other 3 corners so the phone won't wobble on a table)

>>Iphone X size
The market (me included) wants bigger phones for media consumption

>>108289568
has any phone in the last 5 years over $150 had a 3.5mm jack
you can keep complaining about it but the market simply isn't shifting

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>>108284214
Which Motorola device meets these requirements from graphene devs? Isn't Motorola owned by Lenovo? Lenovo makes a gaming tablet too similar to the red magic, with sometimes even better specs. People who game on phones and tablets already buy a lot of aftermarket finger triggers/peltier water coolers, and plug in all sorts of capture cards to capture gaming footage for social media. Graphene already prides itself in complete control over the OS, which is not too far from controlling the processor speed and monitoring or disabling heat throttling restrictions that slow down the processor for those who use water coolers for gaming.

I feel like this is a missed opportunity by Graphene devs to fund all the other privacy stuff they desperately need funding for. All it would require is just letting power users have the ability to disable thermal throttling restrictions and some features that help phone/tablet gamers capture their screen into a usb capture card or some sort of software that allows people to screen record easily without lowering their fps.

The possibilities are endless. RedMagic has a bunch of neat features for their gaming dashboard like macros, etc. which are probably not good for online games, but perfect for emulators. There is a big market in the Lenovo y700 Gen 4 for emulators because it has an SD card slot and 2 usb ports which make it convenient for charging and for capturing their screen into another tablet or their computer for clips and highlights.

Hopefully Graphene devs can work something out with those nifty little Lenovo y700 Gen 4 tablets. The emulator community is pretty big and those Lenovo y700 tablets with sd card slots are perfect for it, the problem is that it only runs on a chinese OS with a chinese app store and doesn't have a wester/english rom with playstore and the likes.

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>>108290914
2 usb ports to run the device off an electric outlet instead of battery for max performance, and another usb port for capturing video I meant to say.

If any Graphene devs are in this thread reading, a small little detour into the emulator/gaming phone/tablet community would bring GrapheneOS a lot of awareness on top of all the cool stuff they do for privacy. It can be a new generation of privacy conscious consumers brought to you by people looking for a gaming edge or people who just want to emulate stuff. Phone/tablet gamers are always looking for the best advantage because a lot of the competitive edge is people who have the most fps via their processor and aren't being throttled by a hot battery/processor.

>>108277499
He also had him on some show with curtis yarvin and then had to explain himself. The whole thing is probably a Thiel operation.

>>108288911
Is he schizophrenic or something else?

>>108291001
He is a paranoid autistic

>>108290914
>Which Motorola device meets these requirements from graphene devs?
Did you even read the topic of the OP?
>Isn't Motorola owned by Lenovo? Lenovo makes a gaming tablet too similar to the red magic, with sometimes even better specs.
The partnership is specifically with Motorola and not Lenovo, and there is no information about gaming tablets being included in the plans, and even if they were if would have no effect on the gaming tablets from another brand.

>I feel like this is a missed opportunity by Graphene devs to...
Did you even read my post? The Graphene devs, as far as anyone knows, are open to handling any device that supports the correct features. They have done nothing to reject or avoid those tablets you want. The onus is on RedMagic to meet the minimum requirements for Graphene to make support possible.

>>108275571
Motorola you can't fucking do this to me, I just bought a phone this year. I pride myself on not upgrading for as long as I can but this might be too based for me not to support.

>>108290879
Sony still releases highend phones every year with a 3.5mm jack and SD slot.

>>108289568
3.5mm jacks are dogshit anyways because the onboard DAC is always terrible

>>108286065
It is proprietary software. We can't because FUTO keyboard doesn't have reproducible binaries. This means that the source code in 100% unrelated to the binaries they share. Nobody can prove that the "source code" is actually real source code of the project. That is the whole point of the license. You are so fucking stupid. Same with Brave browser and other proprietary software without reproducible binaries. It is spyware black box and we can't know what it does. Source code is unrelated to the software because it is proprietary non-free spyware.

>>108291826
aren't Sony phones only sold in like six countries these days
basically impossible to find

>>108291826
They axed the 5 series so it's dead to me.

>>108292010
>FUTO keyboard doesn't have reproducible binaries
That's bad but it's also true for a lot of the libre software I use and they could fix it without changing the license
Upthread I managed to convince someone that the license was bad by pointing out that all users benefit from free forking but you're talking about all this other stuff that seems orthogonal to the license's actual problems
You're treating all proprietary software as bad in the exact same way rather than understanding the BSL and the early AT&T Unix licenses and "open-weight" neural networks and the Open Watcom license as each being bad in their own distinct way that doesn't fully overlap with the badness with the others

>>108290914
>>108290937
Why do you need the heckin privacy OS for you gaming tablet? I have completely degoogled my tablet. What apps would you need sandboxed etc? I don't get it

>>108292485
I'm more interested to know what games he's even playing. Mobile gaming has been nothing but gachaslop for the last 10 years.

>>108280740
In theory, a device supported by a major OEM having it preinstalled *could* actually make it pass safety net.

>>108277799
just say you're broke and move on

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>>108275571
but will it have a headphone jack and removable battery?

>>108292849
no and no

>>108292902
Then fuck'em!

>>108292923
Actually maybe yes to the removable battery

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:C_202500214
>Article 11 of Regulation (EU) 2023/1542 is applicable from 18 February 2027 and contains obligations on the removability and replaceability of portable and LMT batteries that natural or legal persons who place products on the market incorporating them on the market must meet
>Article 11 of Regulation (EU) 2023/1542 states that a battery shall be considered readily removable by the end-user where it can be removed from a product with the use of commercially available tools, without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless provided free of charge with the product, proprietary tools, thermal energy, or solvents to disassemble the product.

>>108292979
this isnt the same as old style removeable batteries. Its basically just saying that you shouldnt need some bullshit tools and simple screwdriver etc should be enough to get it removed
no guarantees of it working the same once putting it back either

>>108293021
>Its basically just saying that you shouldnt need some bullshit tools and simple screwdriver etc should be enough to get it removed
I mean that's still pretty good isn't it? Sure you don't get quick swappable batteries back but this will largely resolve the main factor most people upgrade devices - their battery life has gone to shit and it isn't worth the replacement cost so they just get a new phone.
>no guarantees of it working the same once putting it back either
What could possibly be worsened by replacing a battery with a screwdriver?

>>108292717
Only if Motorola has enough sway to convince google to whitelist Graphene's signing key, as far as I'm aware. Which they probably will really really not want to do given their general tend towards locking down android, while graphene will continue allowing unsigned app installs etc. for example.

>>108276793
It was in 2015 and a Windows issue. Literally not my problem.

>>108293035
effectively this wont make replacing the battery easy. This just makes replacing much easier for companies that provide that service

and replacing the battery affects the way its glued in

>>108293263
I'm not sure if you're right, the document mentions both "portable" and "LMT" (light means of transport) batteries and has different clauses for each.

>The obligation in Article 11(1) of Regulation (EU) 2023/1542 on the removability and replaceability of portable batteries by the end user is applicable to entire batteries, and not to individual cells. The end user should be a person having attained the age of majority without any specific experience or related qualifications related to removing or replacing batteries.

>In the case of LMT batteries, the obligation in Article 11(5) concerning the removability and replaceability by independent professionals is, additionally, applicable at the level of the battery cells included in the battery. Section 3 of the present guidelines discusses the concept of independent professionals.

So for portable batteries they should be replaceable by anyone who is age 18 and up without having experience in taking apart electronics/batteries.
For LMT batteries it sounds like they don't need to be as friendly for regular people but independent professionals need to be given the tools to replace them.

>>108288837
>gboard cant connect to internet
>writes typing data to file
>google play services reads this file and sends it to google anyway

>>108291076
Did you even read the topic? Lenovo owns Motorola. If the Motorola partnership works out (which it will), maybe they can look into GrapheneOS for the Lenovo y700 gen4 tablets, which is one of the fastest tablets in the market and is only $500.

>>108292485
It's not about the privacy, it's about getting more people to use and support GrapheneOS. A lighter OS like GrapheneOS, without all the bloatware, is key for better fps and performance on emulators and online phone games and tablets.

>>108290879
xperia 1 vii
xperia 10 vii
redmagic 11 pro
moto g stylus 5g (2025)

>>108292979
see >>108280069

>>108293263
The fuck am I reading? Do you not know how to use a screwdriver? Are you 3 years old?

You just know the screens are gonna be huge, fuck that

>>108295244
Since when did we get all of these basedboy cucks afraid of using large screens?

>>108293613
>moto g stylus 5g 2k2thousand25 g g
man im salty this isnt sold in eurocuckistan

>>108275571
I might consider getting my first sm*rtphone then

>>108275571
Unless the first thinkphone is getting a graphene port I don't care. My next phone won't run android.

>>108296333
graphene is android

>>108275571
>Can't use banking apps
>Can't use investing apps
>Can't use shopping apps
>Can't play games
Lol no. Just no

>>108296358
but you can

>>108296350
And I have a thinkphone which meets graphene's criteria for a port but they still only do pixels. I'd love to keep using it but if they only put the os on a new phone I'm not buying it.

>>108296375
thinkphone doesn't have memory tagging chud

>>108296375
Pixels are gas af. Samsung is the only way for the cis white man

>>108295286
Listen brown I need a phone not a toy

>>108296375
>thinkphone which meets graphene's criteria for a port
No it doesn't, why are you under the impression it does?

>>108296426
YES IT DOES

>>108296473
No it doesn't
https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices
Even the new Motorola phones don't meet these requirements. They will next year though.

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>>108296397
Based afk

Great news, I assumed the partnership was going to be with some literally who Chinese company.
Hopefully one day we see a push for vendor support with PostMarketOS

can you use graphene for gig delivery work or is to much of a hassle to get it running?

>>108297218
What does this even mean? Are you talking about doordash or something?

>>108296992
Very based

>backdoor
:(
>backdoor, but Chinese company
:D

is this just a marketing gimmick

>>108276812
>Xperia
I miss the old X1 so bad /g/irls

>>108275575
Pixels were always dogshit hardware, and now they don't even have unlocked bootloaders since the spinoff.

>>108298324
ive owned both and neither is as good as samsung but unless you give a fuck about soc pixel is better

>>108296358
>Can't use banking apps
sign in on browser
>Can't use investing apps
dont do this on your phone
>Can't use shopping apps
>Can't play games
stop being consuming cattle

>>108299234
nta but
>sign in on browser
Lots of banks no longer have this option or don't have all the features in the browser.
>dont do this on your phone
Smartphone operating systems are significantly more secure than any desktop OS. If anything you should ONLY do banking on a GrapheneOS device.
>stop being consuming cattle
Agreed.

>>108298154
>backdoor, from country that has direct influence over me personally
:(
>backdoor, from country that is uninteresting, has no influence, I will never visit, halfway across the world
:D

>>108298154
You first need to prove that Pixels and Moto phones actually have backdoors, or at least have them once you install GrapheneOS.

>>108296358
My banking apps work fine. The only problem I've had on graphene was the gps being a bit funky.

I have tdbank, citi, discover, wells Fargo, and Schwab all working perfectly on GrapheneOS. Which bank apps specifically don't work?

>>108296417
So buy a dumbphone, larping beaner

>>108296358
>my national bank works fine (EU)
>Revolut works fine
>Crypto wallets and trading apps work fine
>Chinese banking apps worked fine when I traveled there
Is the "da bank app ain't working mah nigga" issue only in the US? Sounds like you should just change your bank or move out of your shitty country if there really aren't any working bank apps there.

>games
All of them work fine, including the online competitive ones. At worst you need to disable one thing in the app settings which is an issue I've only ever had with MLBB.

>shopping apps
Do they really not work? I've never used shopping apps on a phone since I'm not in the 3rd world so I can afford a PC.

>>108299827
is that because it doesnt have the spyware gps variant? where it does wifi and bluetooth scanning for "more accuracy"

>>108275571
Isnt motorola an israeli company?