>>108276430
>Last For 10 Years Minimum PC yet?
yea but even if i was poor this wouldn't affect me anyway
total death to all gaymers and manchildren.

Devs will finally start optimising get innnn

>>108276548
devs will not optimize for i5 2500k / gtx 1050 tier retro pc :)

>>108276430
expensive personal computers sit in a weird spot in which the most popular use cases they have that shitty computers lack are playing videogames (stunted development) or running local models (stunted development)
the only serious advantage for the average joe i can think of is using the web without wanting to blow your brains out because of how bloated it is. maybe compiling ffmpeg or clang if you're a top percentile gentoo nerd
the actual cool shit you can do with compute requires actual clusters and shit from that same echelon

>>108276548
doubt that, if anything software will get even worse since people will rely more and more on LLMs

>>108276548
kek. Devs optimise for their $10,000 rigs, not yours.

>>108276548
no, get the rented thin client

pcs are stupid anyways, macs are better

>>108276430
No i will just keep waiting.

>>108276548
Devs will never optimise.
They will just sell to people with money.

>>108276430
No, I'm wasting all my money on fireworks and chili flavor potato chips, my man Elon said that we're all gonna be billionaires in two years, no reason to worry now, we all will get as many Intel Core i18 with Nvidia rtx9090 super ti for free in 2028.

bros..

two more years

:)

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>>108276430
>2 Years Left For Poorfags To Build A PC
fear not gamers, china has your back. they will ramp up production of all key components because competition is so fierce there. there will always be manufacturers looking for something to make. they might not be the brands you're used to but they will be affordable and work just fine. china number one!

there will be no replies by me in this thread

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I don't understand why there isn't a push to increase memory production if the demand is so crazy. Is it because everyone sees this as a temporary bubble thing?

>>108276706
A) they're assuming demand will go back down before they could get a factory operational
B) they're making more money per unit right now so why shoot themselves in the foot

>>108276706
why do you want to kill the poor ram farmers?

>>108276676
>there will be no replies by me in this thread
Meek, timid, and no dignity. China is a shit country.

>>108276430
Yes. My Discord server laughed at me because, they claimed, I "overpaid' for upgrades between 2020 and 2023.
Now, they're having daily meltdowns because the components needed to play anything in the next decade are triple the price.

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>>108276706
It's not about the amount of fabs, there is not actually a shortage of production, there is, ironically, an overproduction of RAM, which is why there are such high operating losses for RAM manufacturers as it's shown in OP's post. The point is that the costs are very high, but margins are razor thin in the customer market. People are smart and are shopping for cheapest prices, which means a company decision one or two year earlier will have massive effects on their profits later on.

So it's better to just cut your losses and stop making RAM for consumer markets. There is still AI market, so some of the manufacturers are keeping production, but AI market is much more stable, orders come in big bulk, many months or years ahead of time, so there is inherently less risk involved.

It's same with GPU, both Nvidia and AMD have pretty thin margins on their consumer tier GPU (which is why none of them release cheap cards) but again, if you have thin margins, you can't risk overproducing or you risk massive losses. But AI market is much more stable, wait lines are often 6 or 12 months long, and for example in case of HBM the orders might come even more than one year ahead of time, which make it an extremely stable market.

So, unless there is a monopoly or some price setting or government strategic supplies of RAM, RAM prices are not going down to 2024 levels. The production times just take too long for dynamic consumer market.

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>>108276430
The prophecy is coming true
>"Consumer electronics will see a large number of failures. From the end of this year to 2026, many system vendors will go bankrupt or exit product lines due to a lack of memory. Mobile phone production will be reduced by 200-250 million units, and PC and TV production will be significantly reduced."

And not just computers. Laptops, TVs, Smartphones, all budget tech will be gone

>>108276430
>13600kf
>5070ti 16gb
>gskill Royal 3200 cl14 tuned to 3600 cl14
I think I'm good for at least 6-8 years

>>108276583
you cant do anything else with the internet besides those two things you mentioned since the internet got ruined

does ANYONE still believe the steam deck is launching at all? It's March...no word it should have been on sale by now. March is Launch month.

>>108276706
They don't care about ram HBM is where the real money is. RAM can be stockpiled to the heavens and they won't give a single shit how much of it sells. RAM is worthless they had to glue lights to it to get retards to buy it to begin with.

>>108276541
op didn't mention anything about games or pc usecase

>>108276879
>pic
this is what I don't get, several industries held into fuck you position, like vidya and phones to name some examples, and nobody is complaining, sick

>>108276430
This is assuming number keeps going up, RAM supply does not stabilise and bubble does not pop?

So, what happens when technology become inaccessible for normal people when so many services have been built around it being essential.

>>108277174
>for normal people
and the several industries built around that, let alone other industries

>>108276430
Mac mini and Mac Studio are literally gonna save you. Apple isn't gonna raise the prices on RAM.

>>108277211
Nobody is going to need office machines because we won't need office workers, the only people who will need computers are people who need high performance workstations and money is no object for those anyway.

>>108277236
in the future, and maybe, that is

when was building a desktop ever "entry level"? you build what you can afford. my "basic" desktop is $1200.

normalfags dont need to build their own desktops, they dont even need desktops, vast majority dont have them. if they want to game they buy a console. if they on the off chance do music production or videography that requires serious hardware, then they don't care about buying a mac studio+ to do it.

>>108276588
>10k shekels rigs
So 32gb of ram?

>>108276430
this assumes the AI shit will still exists in 2 years

>>108276879
It's really cool that this is legal for American stock exchange to drive the entire world off a cliff to enrich a few people
Maybe the US government is the one that actually needs foreign intervention

>>108276430
for the love of god will journos stop taking quotes from the most idiotic people on this planet already

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>>108276430
>>108276879
So what's the new capitalismfags cope line gonna be now? They've always maintained that the beauty of capitalism was that everything gets cheaper and regular people get to have more. Now unless you bought a house before 2020 you're never gonna own your own house, and in a few years if you didn't buy a PC before 2025 you'll never own your own PC.
Almost like capitalism was a shit system all along.

>>108277508
name a better system, sister

>>108276430

Yep! I think the 14900K could go the distance.

>>108277517
Democratic market socialism. Market dynamics without an owner class.

>>108277580
where has it worked

>>108277612
>goalpost moving
Jews won't allow it to be attempted because it cuts them out.

>>108277639
uh huh...

>>108277508
People outside of the 1% are economically irrelevant, the the top 1% account for 70% of consumer spending now. Companies are just going to drop affordable options and cater to the elite group of consumers for who money is no object.

I am two years in on my will last 10 years PC...

>>108276430
they'll just make more, retard
learn about the free market
this is temporary
>>108276583
have fun with your non-stunted development (and your inescapable, life-eating, soul-devouring 40 hour work week)

>>108277697
retarded esl

>>108277666
The top 1% are leeches draining the rest. Once you effectively kill the middle and lower class their wealth drops significantly.
They Have been trying to kill the lower classes since the feudal era, every single time it backfires.

144FPS on hunt, the most gpu intense title i'll ever play, i'm set for life

>>108277174
The same thing that happens to all the people whose jobs are replaced by """"""""""""""ai""""""""""""" and h1bs and can't get a cope job driving forklifts or making lattes at starbucks.

>>108276548
Gamers who have RTX 3060 are pirates.
Gamers who have RTX 4090 pay for their games.
AAA devs have no incentive to optimize for pirates.

>>108277722
It's not necessarily about wealth, it's about power differentials. They want lower classes to be their slaves.

>>108276706
Because they're keeping production low on purpose.

>>108277786
source: my ass

>>108277800
>They want lower classes to be their slaves.
They already are. But slaves still need food and entertainment.

>>108277651
>it hasn't been done so it's impossible
Capitalismfags really are the lowest of the low IQ cattle.

>>108277955
uh huh...

>>108277841
Bugs are cheap and people don't need any entertainment other than israel-owned tiktok.

>>108278141
>Bugs are cheap
Actually extremely expensive because you need to triple the servings for people to not start dying from malnutrition.And they are not willing to do that.
>entertainment other than israel-owned tiktok
And any device that could watch it requires RAM which would be reserved for ai only.

>>108276706
Because fuck you, that's why. They can make more money with higher demand and less supply. Literally RAM price fixing cartel 2.0 shit, except this time the governments won't do anything.

>>108276548
Yeah for subscription based cloudconsoles

>>108276430
I'm not poor and if local AI truly becomes important in the future, the chips of today will be useless in a few years anyway.
And if it doesn't, prices will come down.

>Still have my trusty 2500k, DDR3 and SATA SSD
I don't need more

>>108279766
>tfw got a ten-year old gaming laptop
There are plenty of old games to play, shame about the few newer games that don't quite work but I will live.

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>>108276548
You're probably being sarcastic but I was surprised when I looked at the system requirements for the brand new Resident Evil game. It apparently runs on half a decade old hardware. Funny enough I read people had more problems running it on the 50-series because NVidya turned their back on vidya.

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>>108279966
>It apparently runs on half a decade old hardware
There's a reason for that

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>>108279984
What the hell is the creature on the left. It looks like this reaction image I have. What's the minimum GPU for path tracing to be viable? I have a 2080 super.

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>>108276548
heh

>>108276541
kys retard

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it's over for me. the most i can avoid is a barren room with no heating and i work 60 hours a week

>>108276430
>2 Years Left For Poorfags To Build A PC
Yeah that sounds about right. Not just that but as a hibby there is no fucking way even the spoilt kids types who diminated it in the last decade cxab affort to play status sybol with their parents money and will go elsewhere.
>>108276548
Life will standardise on 1080p upscaled to 4K whether you like it or not

>>108276563
>devs will not optimize for i5 2500k / gtx 1050 tier retro pc :)
then no one will buy their shit, a 1080 is faster than a fucking 3060 anyway

>>108279996
>What the hell is the creature on the left.
that's called a woman, anon, just without the make-up mask they typically wear

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>>108276613
>pcs are stupid anyways, macs are better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHZ8ek-6ccc