>>108278066
Use case?

containers, read-only root and immutable distros can all eat my fucking ass

inb4 trannies screech about redhat

>>108278109
having reproducible just werks images for day-to-day users.

Nah it's shit
You eventually come to the conclusion that it's a cuckwall to push you to use alternative methods of package distribution
Only thing worth from this whole thing is atomic updates and Tumbleweed can do that

>>108278066
>there's to many package manager
>we must create a new package manager
>there's to now even more package manager

>>108278376
that'd literally not be a problem if all Linux devs pulled together on ublue.

>>108278469
appimage and flatpak works fine already

>>108278482
>flatpak
>works fine
yeah right.
Also you mentioned two alternatives, proving the point of fragmentation.

How do you feel about the microshit employee being the lead for the most popular ublue image because nobody gives a fuck about the rest?

>>108278731
Meh devs can do whatever they want. As long as the software is good.
>nobody gives a fuck about the rest
That's a shame because they're pretty good, especially Aurora. I never cared about the gaymer aesthetic of Bazzite.

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>>108278066
I don't even know what that logo is. Whatever it is, my distro works well without it.

>>108278066
Flatpak or, better yet, app images already solve this, more standards are just more fragmentation. Just need a nice simple AppImage installer and you're basically at DMGs where it's easy to just copy the app into a folder and everything works. If it's good enough for all of the tech illiterate people who use macs, it's probably good enough for app install on Linux.

>>108278066
Every (serious) Linux developer already picked a distro to support and it's Ubuntu. It's always been Ubuntu. You're just creating a problem so you have something to solve.

>>108279521
Ubuntu sucks now. It's time for a new standard.

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>NOOOOOO YOU CANT HAVE OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES THATS FRAGMENTATION BAD COMMIE TROON BOW DOWN TO THE MEGACORP NOW YOU SELFISH TRANNY

>>108279812
Tumbleweed. openSUSE is fucking awesome. Easy to package for, too.

>>108278175
>read-only root
Go fuck yourself.

>>108279830
Wow, this post really sold me on your pointless piece of shit.

>>108278066
Using the base image of this and it's so peak. Why don't they officially provide it? Only bloat like Bluefin

>>108278066
I use ublue-ucore on my homelab's nodes. Works great and having butane is very convenient.

>>108278959
beat me to relevant xkcd

thank opee love the Ublue-Core™ i cum on cat now she hiss at penis

>>108279931
And yet how many people use it?

>>108278066
How did you even find this hipster shit?
>unknown to distrowatch
>main repo: 5 contributions in last 30 days

>>108280798
He is probably one of the 5

>>108279521
>>108279812
Yeah, Ubuntu sux, we moved to fedora.

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>>108278066
>YOU have to stop being SELFISH and start doing what I tell you to do

>>108281218
Reminds me of a comic I saw once.
>I have found the cure for racism! We just need to make everyone drink this potion, then we will all be white!

>>108278066
>Consumer
>Linux
>Desktop
makes about as much sense as a woman with a penis
why don't you solve that too and kys

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>>108278066
why not secureblue? do you like your linux unsecure?

>>108284667
More like insecureblue, if we look at their communities

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>>108284896
what about their communities screams this? they have a lot of ujust scripts that lock it down even more. their community is always helpful in diagnosing problems or doing how-twos.

i really don't get what's different in ublue vs a generic fedora silverblue.

>>108278638
>proving the point of fragmentation.
You do realize there are a dozen ways to install software on Windows and macOS too? If you want an OS which only has a single way to manage applications then use Android.

>>108279521
Developers will soon only care about Fedora and SteamOS. Ubuntu is only there for corporate use.

>>108278066
don't know what that is. don't care.

sorry still installing yum

>>108278731
Microsoft devs seem pretty good as long as they aren't being managed by MS

>>108278731
>Microslop employee in charge of Bazzite
>Canonical in charge of Ubuntu
>RedHat in charge of Fedora
>Valve in charge of SteamOS
>openSUSE is sponsored by SUSE
>Arch has corporate sponsors
>KDE and GNOME partially funded by corporations
>the creator of Xfce worked at Intel and now works at RedHat
>WINE is only good because of CodeWeavers and Valve
>most developers working on popular FOSS projects are full time employees at an unrelated company
>the only reason why the xz Linux backdoor was found was because a Microslop employee discovered it and reported it immediately
It's almost like if you want to make a good product you need to actually pay people or have people who already have a job/funding work on it. Who would've thought?

>>108278799
>Aurora
I've been using this one on my main dev machine. It's pretty good.
>I never cared about the gaymer aesthetic of Bazzite.
To be fair, none of it is in the OS itself aside from the default wallpaper. The gamer theming is only on their website. The desktop is a normal Plasma experience with Steam and a few other apps preinstalled. It's not like Garuda Linux where the UI is vomit inducing.

>>108279013
>>108278376
This is not a packaging format.

>>108286864
>>108286682
I don't know about that, bazzite seems a bit mismanaged.
At least some of the ujust scripts are kind of half broken like I'm still being reminded that I'm using a meme distro for gamers rather than something I should rely on.
It's sad that the only reason to use it over something like Aurora is because the Steam flatpak is plagued with random issues.

>>108286933
>ujust scripts
I've never used this desu. I'm only using flatpak and used rpm-ostree for a couple of packages. technically I also use appimage but only for duckstation since the dev pulled the plug on flatpak.

>>108286977
I think you can technically remove that flatpak blacklist. It's one of the steps on rebasing from bazzite to aurora.
ujust scripts are not a necessity (in fact, I'd remove half of them from the list to be honest, I think everyone should know how to add a system wide environment variable). But if they're gonna be there, they should work well.

>>108278731
Nobody gives a fuck about immutable distros, really

>>108287052
>I think you can technically remove that flatpak blacklist.
I think you misunderstand. duckstation is no longer available on flathub as of a month ago. the duckstation dev abandoned flatpak and only uses appimage to distribute the application. and he made changes to the license a couple years back to legally forbid the distribution of duckstation outside of the official appimages.
>But if they're gonna be there, they should work well.
agreed. if they're there, they should be maintained.

>>108287147
Oh right, I didn't keep up with the duckstation nonsense much.

>>108278066
>ublue.
>Universal Blue rests on the idea of bringing cloud native patterns to the operating system. We leverage standard cloud tools like the OCI standard images, Docker/Podman, and GitHub to build our images.
No thanks

>>108278066
This isn't Guix.

>>108287181
Elaborate? How is building a distro by pulling a base image and applying changes to it in any way bad? If anything that is exactly how downstream distros should work.

>>108278066
The true year of the GNU/Linux desktop will come when someone takes the GNU operating system in full (GNU coreutils, glibc, libstdc++, gcc, GNU ld, libgcc, GNU Shepherd init system, etc), but swaps out the GNU Hurd with the latest LTS version of the Linux kernel, adds DKMS, fully implements FHS 3.0 and LSB 5.0, but instead of using any of the Freedesktop shit, writes a completely new proprietary desktop infrastructure, components of which work together and are not meant to be swappable or modular, and all of it would work in a "new" filesystem hierarchy like perhaps /System, /Programs, /Configs, etc. (but the /usr/bin and the unix filesystem hierarchy would still exist and GNU stuff and Linux stuff would reside in it). I assume the default file manager would simply be hardcoded to hide the unix filesystem hierarchy and show only the "new" filesystem hierarchy, kind of like macOS does.

Atomic niggers can fuck off with their Dollar General macOS, I'll never use your fucking flatpak read only root slop.

>>108278308
what is the use case of containers?

>>108278175
it's good on the outside then you unwrap it and have to deal with immutable nonsense
like a Thai ladyboy, not worth it
if you aren't a prouser I think it has a lot of value but no dev actually doing anything would last a week with immutable distros
they still need some refinement

>>108291186
>no dev actually doing anything would last a week with immutable distros
I've been developing on Silverblue/Kinoite for 4 years now. It's literally no different than any other distro.

>>108291258
*no dev doing anything useful

>>108291265
I'm getting paid so I'm by definition doing something useful

>>108291320
gigkek, thanks for the laugh anon

>>108291320
I'm still laughing a minute later
You have to be over 18 to post here you know

>>108278066
So this seems to be some sort of locked down distro where I, the user, don't have full control of my computer. Why would I use this?

>>108278066
i have been testing it for a couple of days now.
>wifi craps out
>higher wattage
>weird shit happening when low battery

im not sure what the fuck they are doing with their tuned profiles but stock arch is miles better.

>>108291573
They're using Fedora defaults.

>>108291171
to let idiots be idiots

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>>108278066
How did they get away with it?

>>108278066
Why should I use this over silverblue

>>108295951
this is universal

>>108295951
Just like regular Fedora, it saves you the effort of integrating proprietary codecs and drivers to it. Also in the case of Bazzite, it gives you native gayming apps out of the box.
So yeah, it saves you time post install, that's all.

>>108291171
Reproducible environment.
I also do not like bloating my OS with dev tools.

>>108278066
Only Aurora is remotely acceptable if you don't want to mess with Kinoite. Other than that, it's a useless idea. Atomic distros may have a niche but ublue would be better working on Arch or regular Fedora.

>>108295951
Couldn't you just have an AI answer you this?
>Universal Blue images come pre-configured with NVIDIA drivers, secure boot, and support for laptops (e.g., Surface, ASUS), VM tools (VirtualBox, VMware), and kernel patches—reducing setup complexity.

>Out-of-the-box automatic updates are enabled, with updates staged and applied on reboot—no manual rpm-ostree rebase required.

>Includes graphical tools like Warehouse (Flatpak manager), BoxBuddy (Distrobox GUI), and ujust (system management recipes), improving usability over raw Fedora Atomic.

It's a more usable Silverblue that exists for people who don't like wasting time configuring their OS and want a system that is ready for use out of the box. It's similar to why 10x more people prefer using Ubuntu or Mint over Debian.

>>108278066
I like the concept of Atomic Linux. I use containers for everything and haven't had a problem. The ootb codecs/drivers are neat too.

Atomic updates, not atomic distro.
I think most people would actually be fine with that.

I wish Debian had an official atomic release.

>>108300375
You're thinking of transactional updates, which is exactly what openSUSE, macOS, iOS and Windows have. While Android is basically what Atomic distros are. So yes, most people would be fine with that considering it's the most popular system update paradigm in the world.

>>108299229
god forbid anon tries to converse with humans instead of tinskins

>>108300503
You won't get shit from here that isn't heavily biased, this thread is proof of it

>>108300503
>god forbid anon tries to converse with heavily biased autistic people who will either talk shit about the project or glaze it as if it's the best thing to have happened to Linux
If you're looking for factual information, asking about it on 4chan is a mistake. An AI answers your questions concisely without shitposting or spreading FUD.