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>>108286590

This is why you never go for the on-demand gimmicks and rates. Explicitly buy concrete infrastructure. Pay per hour. If anything gets compromised your server crashes and you restart it, the end.

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>>108286607
Last one. Thread found here: https://x.com/cgtwts/status/2028807005071413324

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This is no different than what's been happening at AWS/etc for decades
You want your cushy do nothing job back. It's gone forever.

>>108286590
kek

>>108286621
obv. the 'Account Manager' is going to 'insist' it should be paid. But I can't see them trying to enforce this - same as Adobe, the fuck they'll go near a court, otherwise, some Judge might tell them, on the record, exactly how enforceable their trash really is. Maybe bit tricky getting another G. account in future, but for $82k, you'll take that.

>>108286604
better yet, don't use insanely expensive LLMs(or LLMs at all) at runtime. 99% chance they could have used a model which costs a fraction of this via openrouter or whatever

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>>108286590
>mfw got my hands on some random company's AWS keys one time years ago
still valid and genuinely been tempted to use them for bedrock goon seshes with claude opus but i ended up pussying out, imo not worth dealing with potential legal/theft issues

>>108286686
>imagine being paid to shill LLMs with worse than 90% accuracy
That's just sad.

>>108286621
>hurr durr muh chinese ai companies attacked us ai companies to distill the models
lmao
Eat shit and die, (((3 developers in Mexico))).

>>108286693
>otherwise, some Judge might tell them, on the record, exactly how enforceable their trash really is.
that's not how it works though
you signed a contract, you have to pay


>>108286708
a lot of /aicg/ people will probably get raided because they used them to generate CSAM

>>108286718
I hope they shoot back. I always like it when cops die.

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>>108286709
You're being replaced and you're angry
I've saved 6 figures not having to pay codejeets for your slop

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I'm an intern who is currently being on boarded to a full time position. Some of the actual employees have been complaining to me that the other interns are useless because all they do is prompt LLMs without thinking and all their code is unusable. I'm the only intern being hired that I've heard of in a 2 year span and I'm also the only one who doesn't use any AI generated code.
I'm very excited for the day when all the vibe coders realize that they didn't learn any of the fundamentals that would have gotten them a job.

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X is just replete with these retards.
>HURRR Why can't my token predictor decide undecidable problems?

>>108286734
Show bank account.

>>108286595
>Enable 2fa
Why was it disabled on the first place?
>>108286607
>Didn't configure limits
lol

>>108286748
let me guess, still using a web chatbot interface and not claude code/codex.

>>108286763
does that solve the issue of not understanding your code?

>>108286772
I understand the code perfectly well. Actually the most useful code it generates never gets close to production, it's for investigations, evaluations, debugging, pre-processing, benchmarking, etc. all the tedious but important stuff. If anything it's allowed me to reduce the LOC in the actual software.

>>108286763
I have no idea what method they use, I just know it doesn't work.

are ai bros on twitter making any money from vibe-coding?

>>108286789
yeah sounds like midwits using a web interface

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>>108286793
no lol why bother doing that gay nerd shit when you can hype up literal garbage and get paid for it instead

>>108286793
I don't see how it's even possible beyond scamming retards. If something can be created with mere prompts, the rest of the vibe tards can just copy it. There's no moat, as they say.

probably some fake drama news, no screens of those billing "control panel" stats.

>>108286793
how would they, their customers have access to the same braindead tools they do
I thought that was the whole point

>>108286793
I make $650,000 /month vibe coding critical INFRA. Buy my course, it's just $39.99/month and you can learn my secrets.

>>108286734
world's most obvious false flag

>>108286749
I like how most vibe coders know so little about CS or technology that they've never heard of a turing machine before, much less about how one works or why his request would be a far more impressive feat than an LLM ever would be.

>>108286822
>you must give your money to other people

>>108286604
You can set LLM quotas in GCP, easily avoided.

>>108287078
>It's $20/month
You should just be doing it. If you weren't doing it last month, it might be too late. But do it. It's just $20/month. Get on the bleeding edge. Don't even think. Just pay the money fast, and break stuff.

>generated generated

fake story from a paid indian shill

>>108286595
>vibe coding
>We are hoping one of our products work
kek

>>108286686
Exactly. There is no incentive for cloud providers to put in caps/usage limits. It would be a very easy thing to do to add a setting that says do not exceed $x dollars in usage and just shutdown when limit reached.
Omitting that setting and having some users getting unexpected charges results in more money for the cloud provider even if most of those affected users don't end up paying it all.

>>108287070
It's all profoundly sad really.

>>108286757
Retards. Literally says "Mexico" there.

>>108286590
>monthly usage is $180
Why not just get ultra at that point you fucking rtard

>>108287204
You can't use oauth credentials outside official apps like the gemini webapp and official gemini cli tool.

>>108286686
>This is no different than what's been happening at AWS/etc for decades
i remember a blog post from many years ago by a guy who used some AWS storage feature, but misunderstood the rates and ended up getting charged a couple racks when he was expecting less than $50
and here i am procrastinating on pulling the trigger on a small Digital Ocean droplet lel

>>108286693
>the fuck they'll go near a court
don't most companies put arbitration clauses in their contracts now?

>>108286590
It's me, I'm the idiot, I tried to vibe code a way to make 4chanx's filter hotkey work on the catalog. Even when I pushed the source code in its face it couldn't get it right.

I just switched to XT

>>108286590
>>108286595
>Don't pay
>Google does nothing because 3rd world

>>108286621
Why is he reporting it to the fbi if he's in Mexico?

>>108286686
>>108286734
I am convinced this is a bot. I've seen these 2 images with the same messages (not to the letter obviously) dozen of times. Well, time to filter.

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>>108286590

Me.

>>108288175
It's a schizo.

>>108287070
Would it? Agents constantly go "oh I've made a mistake here, now I'm going to fix it" when churning slop code.

>>108286757
>Why was it disabled on the first place?
It wouldn't have protected them anyway no? if you have an API key, there's usually no 2FA to use it... wait, is there supposed to be?

>>108288193
Even more reason to filter then. I wish he used a trip too.

>>108287070
>>108287155
Not ALL programs are undecidable you retarded faggots.

>>108286607
This is literally written by ChatGPT.

>>108286590
lmao what a retard. he was probably generating AI videos while in a drug stupor and now he has sticker shock at the bill.
>it was le compromised api key, senor

>>108286793
some retard just exited 9 figures for some diet app that just guesses your calories and doesn’t actually work

>>108288286
The key aspect of this that's often not mentioned is marketing. His parents probably helped pay for it, probably 6 figures worth or even more. He even has a team of 6 people.

>>108286590
I remember one time I was debugging my mapping app that was hitting google APIs. Thought I was in the clear and had limits set properly. Ended up with like a $500 bill. I requested a reversal and told them it was an accident, they helped me surprisingly but basically made me suck their dick in the conversation. Like really talked down to me like I was retarded trash lol. I can see how it could happen. Now I just avoid Google cloud at all costs. I'd rather scrape shit and use free APIs

>>108288378
Why would you need 6 people to work on that. Also, isn't the point of slop coding to be a one-man team

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Found a dataset of LLM conversations.
Kek people are retarded and don't even realize the sleazy LLM is taking them for a spin

https://chatgpt.com/share/6806842e-ab90-8006-bba4-f0cd20db48a3

>>108288426
So far all schlopped software is useless and has only made money from being promoted by influencers.

>>108288440
>pic
Whats hilarious is that people seem to complain to it as if they were talking to a person who can't do anything about the complaints to begin with

thanks AI for making internet safety go back to the 90's

They don't know chinks and poos are always scrapping the internet 24/7 for api keys, dumbasses probably copy it to an exposed github repository or they uploaded it to the same AI that gave it to another user.

>>108288520
>or they uploaded it to the same AI that gave it to another user.
Please let this be the cause. It'd be hilarious.

>>108286590
This is the future of AI slop the moment they need to turn a profit

>>108287141
It's not that easy. Google does their billing asynchronously, but they could absolutely have some limits.

>>108286705
>better yet, don't use insanely expensive LLMs
>>108286595
>>108286604
I don't think you guys understand how insanely fucked the Gemini situation is.

Up until just the other day you could use things like Google maps API keys (which are not secrets and are sent inline with your sites HTML) to do Gemini queries due to a (surprisingly retarded) security policy Google came up with.

You could do everything right and just because you're paying Google money suddenly out of nowhere people can run up bills on your account.

It's wild to me anyone touches this garbage.

>>108288286
Lol they made the sea food app from Silicon Valley.

>>108286749
I think the companies know this and are fine that their product is a slot machine for productivity
>just try one more prompt, bro. Then you’ll get $1 million for sure!

>>108286590
Lmao these retards haven't figured out they need cyber security engineers. I love watching dumbass coders and software bitches cry when they thought they could do it without us.

>>108288205
the worst part is google API keys werent supposed to be secret until gemini came about, it was just a billing account identifier

In 90% of these cases, the customers didn't configure the extremely cheap, often free, alerting/notification system when cost goes over a certain threshold, and more often then not there are automated blockers that will prevent any further compute over a threshold. Deserved for being retards

>>108286607
>why aren't there any limits to <spending money>
That's a great question, surely Google would benefit from not charging money. Alternatively imagine if you were a business and relied on the service to make money, then suddenly your fucking product stops working because you hit some limit.

>>108288951
>alerting/notification system when cost goes over a certain threshold,
Why are only alerts available and not an automatic cut off?

>>108289065
>>108288951
>and more often then not there are automated blockers that will prevent any further compute over a threshold. Deserved for being retards

>>108286590
that's why I'm just giving Open Claw access to all my keys and baking account. If humans can't figure out this shit, just let AI handle everything

>>108288951
Google billing takes about 24h to update. In OP's story's case, the attackers would have already racked up $40k, so it wouldn't have changed a thing.

>>108286718
>a lot of /aicg/ people will probably get raided because they used them to generate CSAM
I've been just using the free website interfaces like z.ai's with no sign-up, or a email tied to a fake name through proton if need be, and none of the freaky shit I've asked from AI was CSAM stuff. I can't imagine the clowns using their credit cards or bank accounts or phone numbers to sign up for this stuff and generate CSAM. Whatever happened to operational security?

>>108289210
>Whatever happened to operational security?
It's been gone for like a decade already

>>108289207
does it not run on their normal compute VM infra? I'm only really familiar with AWS but if I'm running an EC2 I can setup an alert at certain thresholds of usage, I/O ops, cost, etc. and can easily set maximum spend limits where it will simply shut the instance down if reached. Hard to believe GCP doesn't have something similar available as most of these limits are also available within AWS Bedrock which is their AI suite

>>108289275
I'm just a prooompter, but I always get fucked because I constantly underestimate Gemini token usage and Google takes over a day to show it in the billing center.

>>108286708
how the fuck could they know just put your calls behind a proxy how dumb are you. use the damn keys

>>108289440
They will search warrant/supbeanoa the proxy when they come to look for you.

You won't be told when this is happening either so even if they don't keep logs if you make a routine out of committing fraud they'll catch you.

>>108289464
>>108286708
yeah ok good luck subpoenaing mullvad for this or getting anything from them when they keep no logs. For using like 500$ worth of goon tokens? what the fuck planet do you live on, I bet you also think jews are intelligent and clever

>>108286718
Mexico almost certainly has some form of limited-liability company that these guys will have. Just close the company, along with the debts, and Google can sue the company but they can't sue the people. Then the three Mexicans can just set up a new company.

>>108289546
That's not how LLCs work.

>>108286607
Imagine launching a product and having to confirm usage every five minutes. You wouldn't survive.

>>108286590
why do they keep exposing things to the internet without reading through their code

>>108290206
Because that would require thoughts, not vibes.
These people only have vibes, no thoughts. None whatsoever.

>>108286590
I wonder how, I wonder why
Yesterday, you told me ’bout the blue, blue sky
And all that I can see is just a yellow lemon tree
I’m turnin’ my head up and down
I’m turnin’, turnin’, turnin’, turnin’, turnin’ around
And all that I can see is just another lemon tree

>>108286822
>just paypig for it bro, trust me

>>108289632
that's literally what a fucking LLC is for, what the fuck are you on about?

>>108286718
>>108289210
I'm sorry what? Since when do books count as CSAM?

>>108288739
>slot machine for productivity
Best definition I've heard.

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I hope this is bait.

>>108288163
the mexican fbi are the ones who stole his api key

>>108291292
We're speed-running the competency crisis.

>>108286621
>don't pay
>go out of business
>start new business, same as the old
problem?

>>108291292
>try to save money by hiring less competent workers
>lose money
it's not like this is a new thing

>>108287141
The problem with "block access at 100x the typical spend" is that it doesn't align with how real life works.
A business going live shouldn't have their account blocked, the increase in spending is precisely what they want.
A car driving 1000km shouldn't suddenly stop just because you went on your first trip.
The account owner has the option to enforce spending limits because they are the only one who could possibly know what their future plans are.
These idiots in OP wouldn't be complaining if their application suddenly got 10M users and had the same exact bill.

>>108291419
it's not a new thing, it's just easier than ever before for people to replace competent workers with incompetent ones

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>>108286718
>Text on screen
>CSAM
Why are you retarded?

>mfw have free google ai plan
>mfw $10 free credits every month on GCP
>mfw discover that GCP actually has no way to set spend limits at all
>mfw delete my payment details and don't even use the free credits
why is it like this

>>108286590
When you use AI, eventually you get fucked.

>>108291283
The issue is that it you start with it asking permission each time, but then it starts doing some dumb tool call like reviewing files individually and you need to press ok each time. You grow annoyed, temporarily switch the menu to allow all, and that's when it inevitably decides to commit sudoku. Maybe these models are smarter than we give them credit for.

>>108292040
Azure doesn't either AFAIK. The official reason I've been told is that business would rather get a bill than have their websites becoming inaccessible should there be a surge of customers.

>>108286590
I still don't understand how these cloud faggots can get away with a seemingly open ending billing well beyond the average usage and not get into legal trouble. it's total bait and switch, especially when it's usually erroneous usage.

>>108293968
it's utter nonsense, but nothing will ever change because the US doesn't care about its people.

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>>108294004
Have you seen its people? I don't blame the US.

>>108286590
>vibe code
>>108287121
>vibe coding
Where did they stated this?

>>108293968
How is that not a configurable setting? It can’t take more than a few nanoseconds to check if

account.JUST_FUCK_MY_BANK_UP

is set right?

>>108294162
Best I can do is let you set up an alert that will let you know 24 to 48h later that you've blown past that threshold.
t. Azure

>>108294191
I'm betting they make plenty of money off people "accidentally" going over the limits.

>>108288951
On GCP configuring something like alerts for budget is pointless, because it will be delayed by a day or more, hours in best-case.
Proper way would be to run something like Cloud Functions with a proper set of IAM permissions, which will react to API usage spikes in logs and shut-down API completely. But that is not free, of course.
Still retarded than GCP does not have native built-in budget limiters in billing section, where you can explicitly set your budget for specific cloud service and the thing will just hard shut-down the service when limit is exhausted.

>>108286734
>ai generated image slop
fuck off Sam Fraudman

>>108294254
If you had a web service, what would you do?
> - If they let people set hard limits, a lot of people will bills will never exceed those limits.
> - If you make it impossible to set a limit, a lot of bills will go higher, but a fraction will be unable to pay, forcing you to settle or sue.
> - If you make it impossible to set a limit, a lot of people and small businesses will be more hesitant to use your service than they would be otherwise.
> - But if you do make it possible to set a limit, some people might sue you when their website becomes unavailable even if they were the one to set that limit
Then again, do they want a lot of small timers that will require a lot of management and support to deal with, or a few whales that don't can afford to foot whatever bill they receive? They must have calculated that it was more profitable this way.

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we have GCP at company i work at and it's such a piece of shit i'm on the retard's side this time.
you can't set any budget limits, it takes 24h+ for updates on usage and google themselves basically leaked thousands of API keys few weeks ago
API keys in GCP are so fucking retarded since they're always visible unlike usual PaaS tokens where you get 1 chance to save it. moreover they're always project-scoped so when you add people to a project they can't have their own keys and can look up the value of existing keys at all time.

>>108294411
KEK!
>When you hire pajeet "software engineers"/coders
LMFAO!!!

>>108294316
damn GCP is retarded, as much as AWS bleeds you dry on surcharges at least it has more convenient functionality than that shit

>>108286595
>Senor we are tres develoepres en meheeco
jajaja

>>108293976
B2B is much less regulated than B2C. If the contract says they can rape the shit out of you if they want and you agree to it, then help you god.

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>>108286590
谷歌知道这个问题,并且有专门的团队来阻止我们。 中国兄弟们,请改变你们的布局,让它不那么明显,让犹太人承担金钱上的打击。

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我很快就会发送更多示例

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我们必须改变我们的策略

>>108295050
>>108295071
>>108295096
ill have the peking chicken and a coke zero thank u

>>108295184
>coke zero
Get out!

Isn't that a daily occurence with anything cloud related? AFAIK none of the providers offer hard spending caps, but they usually waive huge costs caused by accidents.
The niggers on orange reddit seem to think this behavior is fine and normal. I think it's insane that anyone would use such a service instead of just paying a fixed cost.

>>108289481
>bullying strangers on the internet to commit crimes
what a fuckin weirdo

>>108286822
>be sure you're using the best
>the best

1. Use free chat window in browser
2. Vibe code a browser to ollama api endpoint tunnel to make browser chat available as free api
3.???
4. Profit

>>108291715
It's not even when going live. Your product suddenly starts trending in Reddit/Instagram/etc? You want everyone in your shop buying them instead of serving them nothing because your servers can't cope with the load and your cloud platform autocaps your spending.

>>108286595
>>108286590
Gemini upsells like crazy too and they're super shady with it too. You can get the AI alone for $10/month but you have to jump through a shit ton of hoops and the rest of the cost is basically them upselling you on storage you'll never use.

>>108290906
How did he find 175 guys to sign up?

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>>108295422

>>108287063
Sir I am interested in your course. Please link to it.

>>108296965
He looksmaxxed, chrismamaxxed, and /fa/maxxed. That's all you need to convince anyone to join a cult.

>>108290828
the ink isn't even dry, you sick fuck.

>>108295206

>>108286590
Dumbest OP ever crying about LLMs when it's a cloud provider issue. AWS/Azure/Cloudflare all do this retarded no-limit spending which you can only check with a budget alert that triggers way too late. You'd know if you worked a single day in your life smelly neet. Crazy how luddites went from artists to codemonkeys.

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Bros how do we stop this?

>>108288215
source?

>>108286793
Anyone boasting about making money on Twitter isn't making anything. It's the same as those Andrew Tate cucks, they go on about being business gurus but it's their dumbass fans that just fund their shit through their courses.

Why the fuck do they never design a fallback for when reaching the service limit set before, so their product cannot explode.
The still unfixed Google API token issue is fatal indeed in a context where LLMs cannot deal with nested logic.

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>>108288662
>google maps API key suddenly allows Gemini API requests
I got fucked by this exact thing to the tune of 30 dollars and they refunded it to me

>>108288662
>>108300972
fake news

>>108288951
>automated blockers
you can't set up a block. it will spend whatever the (google controlled, no customer input) rate limiter lets it spend. you can only set alerts. if you don't happen to be awake when it fires gg wp
t. got the 50% spend notification at 2am, lucked out with rate limits because my API key saw very little use

>>108286757
>Why was it disabled on the first place?
it's a fucking API key the google maps widget on your web page won't work without it, the client needs access to it so they can make JS requests

>>108300974
It is true. I was spending the night of Feb 14 alone as always shitposting on this website when I got the notification that I had 25+ dollars in gemini spend. Nuked all my keys immediately and then went through looking at what happened, it was my google maps widget.

>>108300983
You can in AWS, at the very least I'm surprised you can't setup a script to trigger on a threshold to terraform apply an infra change and effectively nuke the instance until you manually stand it back up

>>108301089
and sorry I'm approaching this from the assumption that you're running a model on your own infra and not just using whatever webapp frontend exists, it definitely makes sense you don't have control over infra if you're just a common user. At a certain point it seems like there should be a better solution than using the webapp version of a model, especially if you're at a $200/month tier where you should be able to host your own for cheaper

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>>108286595
If you wanna use their database of stolen ip then you gotta pay! Thems the breaks kiddo!

>>108286718
How do you generate CSAM? Is there CSAM in the training set?

>>108301158
you don't

>>108286595
ay caramba

>>108286788
Yeah! It just uses a bunch of stolen IP and the world's fresh water supply to do it!

>>108301163
So then what's the big deal?

>>108295050
Yo, what's X in Chinese?

>>108299208
Not even Elon Musk is making money on twitter.

>>108286734
Absolutely based. I am making now APKs left and right, stuff I have been wanting for years, not a single jeet in sight. All me and Claude. And there is nothing they can do about it

>>108301181
faggiest take of the day award

>>108301361
They can raise the prices to break even on the electricity you're wasting.

>>108287091
never trust cloud provider quotas, they are heavily delayed (up to one hour for Google Cloud) and it only sends alerts and does not disable the API.

>>108286793
no but they make money off of their twitter blue subscription when they post their retarded takes

>>108286793
This Is Big

>>108286595
You just know this retard asked chatgpt how to fix it rather than try work out how it got compromised
pro-tip: it's nearly always internal malicious employees

>>108286686
Does the horse mean that cars are literally hitting walls or is he saying cars have reached their limit?

>>108289481
>we keep no logs
>just trust us bro, you can totally use us for your illegal activities
>we totally won't comply with lawful court order
based retard

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>>108302837
>posting this when mullvad has already provably complied with real court orders by presenting the court with all zero logs they had stored

>>108301361
>I am making now APKs
good morning saar

>>108286595
NO MAMAS WEY!!!

>>108286595
>mexican bankruptcy
who cares? write it off. set up a new off shore company. remake your product.
a bankrupt limited liability company happens. no one cares. it is experience.