>>108287467
I literally predicted this would happen.
You all might as well switch to Void, now. Corporate backed distros will comply

This is not software fault nor the developer fault, people make this out to be the same thing like Discord.
They're just doing what the government wants for X country/state, you cannot avoid it if you want your software to continue living there.

Serious question, what will compliance even mean? Is it just admin accounts ticking a checkmark and being responsible for their own users? Can't really see how its gonna be a remote thing.

>>108287555
Yeah, but the real shame is people will keep using it

>>108287592
As soon as every OS implements this layer (as an option), it will then be required to use a digital ID certificate instead of merely asking your age (as a requirement)

>>108287467
If I was in their shoes, I would make a file is_verified at a known location like in /boot, so that they would officially comply with the law, but anyone could easily patch the ISO to avoid age verification.

>>108287467
They have no choice. It is the law.

>>108287621
In one state, not worldwide.

>>108287467
canonical is based in califorinia so we all saw this one coming

arch trannies von

>>108287467
Ebussy will stop this

What fucking kids are installing Ubuntu on their machines??? They all get ChromeOS or at fucking best macOS (some schools have Macbooks for their students). Its usually the former though. Its not even about the kids anyway. I was really looking forward to computing but now it just seems like a locked down platform.

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This isn't so bad. It's like a mandatory parental control choice in the OS setup.

When you visit an 18+ website you have to click "Yes" to are you 18 or above.

This is pretty much the same thing, just automatically sending in a header or something that you're 18+. You're not sending them your driver's license or whatever with this like with Discord and Tinder.

>>108287467
So will Mint have it too, for it's based on Ubuntu and main dev lives in a gulag country too?

>>108287643
It won't just be one state.

>>108287467
>hardware prices sky high
>software getting locked down
(((they))) really don't want you to own anything

>>108287612
>they're secretly on my side as they clobber me with a club

>>108287643
fool

>>108287699
>actually, it's free as in you're free to comply

>>108287699
yeah except this is just bullshit to get their foot in the door to implement that "blockchain identity" shit that people like andreesen were jerking off over on the jorgan pudcum

>>108287699
The problem is that once this gets through they can easily change the law to require an ID and congressmen won't even understand what is being changed.

>>108287824
link?

>>108287702
pls no

>>108287467
And that's a good thing.
Children should not be allowed anywhere near a computer or smartphone.

>>108287702
Most likely imo

>>108287948
>this is about age
You're either a fool or a Jew or both

>>108287592
For now all that is legally required is a local age selection slider. Literally you say you are eighteen and you can use your computer.

This is just the beginning though. Some day they will force you to go online and send your age to them. Then there will be actual ID verification

>>108287699
How retarded and shortsighted are you that you dont think this is just the beginning before they slowly start to boil the frog and require more and more intrusive checks in the future.
Its so fucking obvious and you shouldn't tolerate this even a little bit.

>>108288054
The future of computing is heading to your local DMV, and pleading your use-case to some uppity obese melanin enriched woman.
>WHACHU MEAN? WHACHU MEAN?

>>108287789
>freedom as in they have free access to your asshole

>>108287467
Just stop supporting california and they'll fold in a day

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>>108288154
uhhh i need to generate hentai ma'am

>>108288138
It will be interesting if they keep going. Will they ban old computers and mesh networks?

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"unconstitutional and unenforceable"
They'll find a way.

"people won't agree to this"
They will. They'll screech about it, until they realize screeching does nothing, and give up, and lick the boot.

"this is only an amerimutt problem"
It's coming to the EU.

"muh tor vpns"
They'll get banned.

Regardless, you American fuckers need to start shooting politicians ASAP. Send your Adam Lanzas to shoot at politicians instead of children.

I guess they will have a version for paying corporate customers and another one for people (corporations are not people, fuck "legal fictions")?

>>108288262
They don't find ways. The social engineers are pretty dumb. They just hope when their government jokers postulate that it has to be like this, that somehow someone will make it work.

Why not make a fork that doesn't have the...

You know what, I dont know why I would even ask that. You linuxfags should obviously know that the answer is non compliance. Literally it wont hurt you.

kek everything downstream from poobuntu is cooked

>>108288526
So... Mint and Ubuntu flavours.

I went to look at linux mint forums regarding this issue and there is a thread about it. In it there is poster (Massimiliano) that I think is an AI bot and half the thead is his own posts, literal walls of text of AI garbage. Mint is pozzed, I looked at that thread and immediately ruled mint out. Surely there will be a distro that won't fall for this shit.

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Not my problem

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>>108288526
archads... we won?

>>108288262
We have reached a tipping point where all but the most innocuous of websites need to know the age – not the identity – of their users to remain compliant with a tsunami of new legislation, including:

Europe’s GDPR, Digital Services Act and Video Sharing Platform laws
Age Appropriate Design Codes in the UK, California and, coming soon, the EU
Children’s Online Privacy Protection Act (COPPA) in the USA
Australia and the UK’s Online Safety Acts
India’s Digital Personal Data Protection Act

>>108287699
>You're not sending them your driver's license or whatever
Yet, they are getting the framework in place to just slip it in another inch then another inch rinse and repeat until they are balls deep in your ass and your happy about it.

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>>108288526
Why would you ever want to be downstream of that garbage fire. Better to be upstream.

>>108287467
>I just have to use literally the worst operating system that works at all.

Fine. Don't install gentoo. Stick another dildo up your ass and install Windows11.

>>108288604
>>108288642
i recognize that migrating to debian is kicking the can down the road but i support it

>>108288648
Nah, Ubuntu has been a constant evil and hasn't been around as long as Debian, which has been pure from the beginning. It makes sense the titan would outlive its progeny.

>>108288648
Not sure if you're following the debial-legal thread for this, but they're looking at either not doing it at all or just having it be a package the user can install or not. There's some idea on there that it might only really hold up to preinstalled OSes.

>>108288667
>pure from the beginning.
pure garbage.
Sorry, pure sane-garbage.

>>108288684
>just having it be a package the user can install or not.
That's how literally every other OS component works so it would be very strange if that weren't the case.

idk how else you could possibly do this.

>>108288604
Debian is also implementing it

>>108287699
>>108288138
>>108288185
>>108287854
Or, you know, this is just yet another pointless posturing move by the Cali gov (like the cancer warning stickers on everything) so they can get a pat on the back for being brave and progressive and it stops here because they know as soon as they push it into actual ID checking there will be major pushback. This is about as much as they can get away with before actual privacy invasion. Newsom isn't that retarded enough to think he can get away with that.

>>108288744
>source: I made it up xD
Debian will never implement this

How are they going to enforce this for server variants? Especially the headless kind? They could ask for an age but it's retarded since every person who deploys a server is just going to mash the num pad and hit enter.

>>108288731
Not mandatory though, assuming you trust the OP pic. I personally have no clue how mandatory it is going to be in Ubuntu or implementation details, nor do I care.

>>108288780
>Not mandatory though,
How the fuck are you supposed to have a mandatory component in what is essentially A TOOLKIT OF COMPONENTS FOR DEVELOPING AN OS YOURSELF?

Tell me please how the fuck that is supposed to work?

>>108288758
They will

>>108288760
>going to mash the num pad and hit enter.
If I had to mash shit and hit enter during an ansible playbook we'd be switching distros faster than you could blink.

Well no it would be next planning cycle approximately three sprints after we dequeue the ticket because some junior can do it but that's pretty fast around here.

>>108288857
It could be just added to the deployment script to enter an age of 65535. Either way I can see it causing a lot of problems.

>>108288818
No clue, but, like I said, the only info I have for Ubuntu is the pic in OP.
I suppose if you wanted to you could patch the kernel to do some checks that would be time consuming and/or painful to circumvent without just swapping out your kernel.
I don't think you could stop people from simply installing from the server ISO and just installing a DE or compiling a kernel themselves, but the average user, who this is presumably targeting, won't do any of that.

>>108288054
>you say you are eighteen and you can use your computer.
So kids aren't allowed to use a Linux desktop and play some SuperTuxKart?
They must use a phone with internet access and a camera and social media filled with pedophiles telling them to troon out?

>>108288054
this can only happen if you're a pussy

>>108288628
Could it work in my benefit?
Could I fake my age and pretend to be 12 so they can't send me ads?

I'm not interested in social media and will never pay for porn so what's the downside of pretending to be underage on the modern internet?

>>108287643
It will be at least 10 states soon after

We're steadily moving towards a future where your "personal computer" is a dumb terminal with a monthly subscription package tied to your real identity for cloud compute power and storage.

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>>108287467

Leftie oriented OS listening to leftie oriented Government. Sad!

>>108288942
Liberal progressivism is not leftism, and neither is authoritarian state-mandated surveillance. Retard

>>108289067
Both those things are what leftists fight tooth and nail to enact, though. Throw in mass nonwhite immigration and you have the whole leftist package.

>>108289067
no point arguing with a left/right drone

>>108289067
Who cares, they're all commies and deserve the rope

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>>108289067
>here, allow me to demonstrate my superiority by disapproving of your definitions

If my distro of choice makes this mandatory, I'll just migrate to a different one.

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>>108288054
>integer field
>legally mandated to be a slider

>>108287699
just fuck off

>>108287467
Ubuntu has been shit for at least 15 years what are you even doing?

>>108287699
I wonder if this will fall in line with systemd's lennarts project Amutable?
>Amutable focuses on "determinism and verifiable integrity" in Linux systems.

>>108287467
How does "mandatory" work? It's Linux, you can boot a USB stick and fuck around with it as necessary.

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Ucuntu?

>>108289251
>legally mandated slider
Find the legislator responsible for that and make him fill out a form that has a phone number slider.

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>>108287699
>AgeVerification1
What, are they planning sequels?

I mean, stuff like this is completely unenforceable with open source OSes
even if every mainstream distro bends the knee just switch to the fork someone will make that is exactly the same but with that shit removed

>>108287699
Honestly this whole thing reminds me of back when IRC servers relied on identd responses to implement bans.

>>108287699
New XML interface… in 2026… holy shit.
They’re practically wetting themselves with excitement to implement this.

>>108288835
My dad works at Debian and I can tel l you that they probably won't.

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>>108288578

First thing I found on the subject:

https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=464956

>>108289587
>My dad works at Debian and I can tel l you that they probably won't.
your dads a lesbian?

>>108289685
Yes, but a gay lesbian.

>>108289438
Apparently they’ve been planning it for a long time.
I now see where they were going with dbus and systemd.
I guess they feel now is the time to strike, that they’ve achieved “critical mass”, like invading lebanon. They’re going for it.

>>108289587
They will, for sure. They cucked with systemd too.

>>108287467
reminder that 4chan successfully cucks United Kangdom over age verification here
they literally can't do shit about the site because they are afraid of political backlash from banning it

>>108287699
you're absolutely right. the bill is a nothingburger. it won't stop the schizos from seething though.

Easily circumvented, for any distro: just add it as an optional feature on OS install:
'Would you like to install AgeVerificationTools' coupled with a eula where it states that in some parts of the world this is required by law
Then just click NO
As an OS you've done your job: you've included Age verification tools. It's not your fault user clicks no

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We have had digital ids for 20 years. In the near future you can't access the internet without plugging in the card. Truth is antithetical to the communist ideology which is why they want to stop the free flow of information.

>>108287467
>Ubuntu said they will comply with califorinia's age verification law
Canonical are fucking retarded and don't understand the nature of the law. Per the nature of the law, anyone interacting with the system needs to age verify. Meaning everyone who ever interacts with the software means to age verify. Meaning anyone who does anything needs to age verify any time they land on a different system or transition between or within a network. The average person on the internet, per this law, needs to age verify 500+ times every 5 minutes.

>>108289814
anon americans don't even have fucking EMV debit cards yet and still use mag stripe for Visa, do you really expect them to understand actual smart cards

The German passport can do age verification over RFID on any smartphone without revealing any information other than older than a certain date or not.

>>108287539
>Void
uses dbus too

>>108289871
Yes, there is no escaping it long term, but Void doesn't have a corporate sponsor

>>108288936
how do we stop this

>>108289855
Actually I just found out this week that I could tap my card at some stores. It's like magic

>>108287555
you can tell the government off and sue them. all tech companies should sue but they are going along because they want this.

>>108289814
BE passport > last time I got a new one I had my fingerprints taken..

>>108287660
Where do you think a lot of those trannies live? Commiefornia is degeneracy mecca.

>>108287555
literally just shoot them, it's that simple.
Fucking americans living in a country with guns and never fucking using them to kill tyrants, only school children.
Retarded shit.

>>108287699
it kind of relieves my stress when i think this way, which is a sure sign that it's wrong and i should keep being against this and keep letting it ruin my day

it's just another reminder that if i want to live in a way that respects my freedom i cant have all the latest toys and enjoy all the conveniences available. yeah i probably will be slinking down into a more obscure way of using my computer, again, as i kinda always have anyway. it makes me angry but giving in and trying to live how they want and use what they want would make me even angrier

>>108289814
this is CAPITALISM you fucking retard.
The rich are writing these laws, microsoft is benefiting from this shit.
How are you such a mouthbreathing fat american piece of shit on the ground that you cannot ever recognize the problem. Everything is "the gommies", literaly CIA shitbrain, use that gun of yours for something good and shoot yourself.

>>108287467
So, this is the culmination of decades of feminist fear-mongering and CSI-style special victims unit shows. You'll have no rights because somehow the children will be hurt, but also to hell with children since they'll be arrested too if they happen to input the wrong prompt to chatgpt. Meanwhile elites will continue to do whatever they please, literally.

>>108290091
he thinks neoliberalism is communism, hes a well-meaning retard

>>108290107
this.
The media has been preparing the population for this for decades. They likely intentionally planned to push this all through after the release of the epstein files, to capitalize on public fear.

>>108290091
>capitalism is when nanny statism

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>>108290135
Let's compromise and say the current state is capitalist-communist.

>>108289922
Sue.
https://netchoice.org/

Remember when the internet used to fight stupid laws like SOPA and PIPA?

>>108290162
>it's A and Z
how about just saying that statism is shit?

>>108290192
The joke is that the left say the state is capitalist and the right say the state is communist.

By design, it seems. But who could possibly benefit from this?

>>108290211
the mafia?

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>>108287555
> Nooo don't be mad at us! it's not our fault we are just complying!

Why is everything so binary with people. You can be mad at the government AND the corporations that do their bidding.

>>108290080
> only school children
Do you have a way to convince trannies to shoot up corporations?

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>>108289403
I'd prefer a wheel tho.

>>108290273
100% all trans shootings are feds.
Trans community has more political radicals than most demographics out there. If they were going to kill people it would be CEOs and politicians. Every "trans shooting" has either been a detransed nazi or a fed plot.

>>108287643
We have one world government.

>>108290313
For websites needing age verification, DO THAT. Zoomers will click the numbers, scratch their heads over why nothing is happening, and eventually give up.

>>108290091
Yeah it was the friendly beanie wearing barista who puts smiley faces on coffee cups that put people in gulags

>>108287467
Why are you surprised? Linux has been infected by the woke mind virus.

>>108290391
troon detected

>>108288262
The only hope is the courts. They're the only branch of government that still functions properly. There could be a 4th ammendment case in this.

>>108288185
They won't need to. Banning actively maintained operating systems from existing without age verification will be enough. Old systems will be grandfathered, but will naturally lose support and compatibility with modern standards over time. Sure, you'll be able to use an old Ubuntu desktop in 2036, but how much utility will it have? You'll have to do without a lot of stuff that people on current systems take for granted, and a lot of stuff that works now won't work anymore. This, combined with lack of availability will get most of the marketshare on to new verified operating systems.

That is of course not factoring in any small scale non-verified distros, which I'm almost certain will exist. I'm sure some schizo somewhere will maintain a non-age verified version of his favorite distro, and host it anonymously for people to use. And since the mainline distro maintainers are only doing this out of legal obligation, they'd only do the bare minimum, and wouldn't bother trying to hinder forks in any way.

>>108287467
do not buy an ad, faggot, kys

>>108290091
communism is when i dont like something. owned with facts and logic libtard

>>108290091
Its government in general. Any sufficiently large bureaucratic regime is going to become corrupt and do everything within its power to expand and enrich itself and its members, usually at the expense of its citizens. This is true of both communist and capitalist states.

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>>108290428
based

>>108287699
>Ah yes I am slipping but there is no way I'll end up at the bottom of slope

>>108287592
>>108288054
this

none of the people whining about California's law have actually read it. It does not call for uploading IDs, face scans, or other shit. It operates on the honor system. It's a literal nothingburger. Unlike the doomers, I think having this law on the books will make worse laws harder to pass later, since they will have to prove the current law is ineffective first.

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>>108287467
Did the donators threaten the linux orgs to remove funding, or would they comply?

All they'd have to do is say in the license "This OS is not allowed to be used in California or other states that require age verification.", or something similar to completely absolve themselves.
Also, thousands of independent developers and especially outside the US and western countries are going to fork this shit, so how would they enforce this anyway?
They haven't even managed to get rid of foreign movie pirate websites after two decades.

>>108287467
I didn't care about penguin and now I care even less, somehow

>>108290874
>It does not call for uploading IDs, face scans, or other
Now. It doesn't for now.

>>108290929
This is mandatory for every OS.

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>>108287467
How would they even enforce this?

>>108290091
>the state wanting to control every aspect of my life as its share in the GDP keep increasing is CAPITALISM actually
smugjak.jpg

>>108289856
cattle

>>108287927
educate yourself shitlord

>>108290072
china and canada

I love watching the absolute self-destruction of linux faggots. Cuckolded little faggots, little pathetic slaves to the state. This is what you wanted. Fuck le eebil corporations, please please please give more power to the state. KEK now suffer, faggots.

>>108287598
>Yeah, but the real shame is people will keep using it
If this is a problem then it'll already be forked. If people want it without, this is plausible.

>>108287608
>quired to use a digital ID certificate instead of merely asking your age (as a requirement)
It'd be *far* easier and less costly to just issue everyone with a passport, if this was the goal.
Device change. Frequently.

The digital pages on the passport can hold such things. The one solution would work equally well across the physical and digital spheres.

You wouldn't be allowing any opportunity for disparity, and certainly no opportunity to allow the self-administration.

Buy an ad

>>108287643

It will be at least nationwide for the United States, if unofficially. And honestly - pretty likely to be worldwide.

Companies like Microsoft and Apple aren't going to maintain separate California Edition versions of their operating systems. And they're not going to add a prompt like "if you're a California resident tell us your age."

Instead they're going to say "well no states have laws saying we can't require our users age" - so they'll just collect it even in states where it's not necessary.

I think the way to really gunk this up is for states and nations to pass laws that contradict California law. That way companies can't just always require it.

Something like a privacy law stating you can't be forced to give any personal details in order to use the device. That you have to be able to create local accounts with no details, including age.

>>108292195
>forced to give any personal details in order to use the device.
Do you actually *need* to use that device?
If you can evidence that, then you can evidence a human rights violation...

>>108292255

Maybe. I think you need some kind of Internet-connected computer to function but we still don't regulate Internet as a utility as we should. Try applying for a job without a computer, it's virtually impossible.

I'd just go more on a consumer protection angle. We should be able to go into a store, buy stuff, take it home, and use it however we see fit.

>>108287699
This. If you have nothing to hide then this shouldn't bother you.

>>108287467
Yeah and? You're all making a big fuzz over this but this is a setting stored in the OS that applications can consult. That's it. There's nothing else to it. It's not intrusive at all. It's just to put responsibility into parents and companies because parents can't claim they forgot to put the age range and companies can't claim they didn't know the age range. It's also offline.

>>108292297

"Hey website/app - this user is a kid!" seems like kind of a nightmare. They'll all 100 percent collect that data and sell it like that do all other data.

If a website needs to know if I'm 18 it can ask me.

If a website doesn't need to know, then there's no reason to pre-emptively tell it.

I see a future where this data is used for customized ads. If the kid flag is set you get ads about toys, if the adult flag is set you get ads about dick pills.

This is the state trying to pick up the slack because parents aren't parenting their own fucking kids. We've had options to restrict how kids can use devices for years. But because parents keep giving their kids completely unrestricted phones, the state is trying to parent the kids instead.

I don't want apps knowing anything they don't need to.

>>108290949
Once you pass a law now it's harder to add to it. You will spend years and years proving it was ineffective. USA is in fact safe if this is the way they're moving forward. Much better than uploading photos or IDs and tackles the problem directly of age. You're putting responsibility on parents and companies without over engineering.

In EU however is where things are really fucked up because they want to force down our throats the digital wallet (even though it's optional) to prove your age. It's massively over engineering, a security nightmare, and they're trying to convince people that you're only giving the information you want to give.

Keep your California system. They're going to push age restriction regardless and this was the least intrusive idea so far and probably most effective if done right.

>>108287555
Yes it is you colossal faggot.
Why would you let some nine times retarded californian dictate what you can have in your software?

>>108292386
If you use windows, Android, iOS, or macOS, you're already letting California dictate what you can install. This law doesn't apply to custom dyi distributions. At least not directly.

>>108291090
>china
There are no trannies there.
>canada
That's part of the US, they're gonna get age verify'd soon.

>>108287467
> give us your id to view porn sites
> give us your id to use social media
> give us your id to install apps
> give us your id to use a computer
> (we are here)
> give us your id to buy food
> give us your id or you're dead

ive got enough old hardware to last my entire lifetime. i dont need nothing anymore

>>108287467
Why are IT companies so cucked?
Why aren't they like banks or the chemical industry who more or less humiliate government inspectors whenever they show up complaining about XY not being adhered to (for years)?

>>108287467
"Age verification for OSs including Linux"
But Linux isnt an OS...

>>108287643
Europe loves shit like this. Chat control will get through and Internet ID is becoming more popular too. This will be next on the list. Nobody will save them either because both the left and the right love it for different reasons.

>>108287621
It is not the law. It is unconstitutional. Every politician that voted yes for this should be shot dead

>>108288138
Have you still not understood that the Jews are basically right? Goyim are subhuman, their purpose is to serve as cattle, and they can be easily controlled like simplistic automatons.

>>108292498
The jews are subject to the same principles.
You know how much more you pay for, say RTX 5090 in Israel compared to EU/NA?
It costs (if available at all) around 6000-8000 Eur there and the people have the same income as in germany.
The universe doesn't give a shit who are what you are.

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You can tell who the shills are in this thread by the way they point out Cali's law only requires a simple selection and that no where are they going to ask for IDs so stop worrying it's fine it's whatever.
>The slope isn't slippery stop worrying!

I hate you and I hate accelerate fags too. Always trying to keep people from taking action always trying to keep the frogs in the water as it heats up.

When everything comes tumbling down the same surveillance hell world apparatuses that track us also tracks you. You will be found and you will join your masters in the burn pit.

>>108287699
>this isn't so bad
>t. first jew in aushwitz

soon we will have to do LFS just to do basic computing anonymously.

>>108292488
>Every politician that voted yes for this should be shot dead
If only the people had guns to defend themselves from tyrants...

>>108287555
You can just drop "support" for the state.
Also, by legal precedent, code is speech and forced speech is unconstitutional.

>>108292479
Regardless, there are near-universal elements of the ecosystem, which is why there's currently talk of implementing dedicated Age Verification support to the D-Bus spec.

>>108287654
They're based in London actually

>>108290874
Salami slicing like this is one of the oldest tools of power expansion.
>it's just a
>it's just b
>it's just c
>.
>.
>I now decide what you may or may not do

>>108287467
Good. I am 18+ and have nothing to hide.

buy an ad faggot

>>108289251
Have the default position set to a valid 50+ year old value so anyone can simply click next.

>someone on lunduke's post about this mentioned if Ubuntu goes ahead and implement this they would be breaking GPL2
imagine those retards losing the right to distribute Ubuntu

>>108292880
how does it break GPL?

>>108287467
ok, how?
also
>using Ubuntu in 2026.

>>108287555
>YESSSS SAAAR WE CAN'T FIGHT TYRANNY SAAAR

It'd be funny if both linux and windows to tell them to fuck off and put some clause that forbids them from using the OS because of their laws, then see them walking back because they'll have no OS to use otherwise. Won't happen, but it's an amusing thought regardless.

>>108293071
Yeah but the problem is as you said that they are bootlickers who would never risk upsetting their masters.

>>108288054
> Literally you say you are eighteen and you can use your computer.
as if a child is legally accountable for saying he's 20

>>108293116
Yeah pretty much. The cost caused by windows or linux (kernel? distros?) to refuse and change their ToS to forbid their usage would be immeasurable as they're the core of the digital world.

>>108292802
>Nothing to hide.
You are doing nothing wrong until they decide you are.
There are hundreds of thousands perhaps millions of laws on the books local, state, and federal. Many more added or changed all the time without your knowledge. Ever wonder why?
It's so they can fuck you over at any time they want.
The only thing that stops you from being labeled a criminal is if they're interested in doing so or not.

>>108290917
>I'm completely obviously as to how these corporations make money

>>108292355
>it's about age
fool

>>108293391
Yes retard. That's how laws work. Legislators determine when things are legal and illegal. It's called living in a society with other people you autistic selfish neet.

>>108292379
How about NO to either system?
The supposed problem doesn't exist. The only real problems are:
Data scrapers not knowing which posts are from fleshbags
Advertisers not knowing which clicks are from fleshbags
ADL not knowing who posted what
etc. these are the real issues and "age verification" is just the first step

>>108287643
In a leftist state, which means all globalists will comply.

>>108293475
>the politicians aren't selfish

>>108287643
If I recall, Colorado is also implementing this and there some countries doing the same, aside from Europe. It's only a matter of before this becomes a defacto standard simply due to the number of countries requiring OS-level age verification eclipses countries that don't.

>>108293546
I fucking hate this doomed timeline of ID verification.

>>108293546
Here's an example actually: >>108286731

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>>108288155
free + dom

>>108293477
While I totally agree with that, if they're going to push it hard, this is the best idea so far. It's the best workaround that solves the problem directly. Anything else like IDs, photos, etc. is easy to override with a VPN, over-engineered, and opens lots of security problems. This solution is secure by default because it's a setting stored in the OS. The problem is what apps do with that information and if they force you to tell.

>>108293885
thing is, slippery slope is real

>>108293885
They know every system will be bypassed before the system that requires a cert and will use that fact to push the cert. There are no easy technological solutions individuals can implement by themselves. The only way to fight this is to get organized and support political pressure groups like http://netchoice.org/

>>108293071
That's not going to happen in Microsoft, Apple, or Google. They hate the EU, UK and AU ideas, but this one they like. In Linux you can do whatever the fuck you want and nobody can penalize you. However there's a very big catch, applications might expect you to have the age API. Say steam has it, now you're stuck.

>>108287699
It's only the first step, moron. ID verification will follow shortly after.

>>108293901
It is yes

>>108293916
The goal of this law is not to be perfect. They know the majority will use it and that's what they want. You can lie or workaround the system, no problem.

The slippery slope of identifying you by certificate is real though, but not today.

>>108289587
My uncle IS Debian and he said no

>>108293949
It's a certainty they will tack that on at a later date. It's easier to FIGHT THIS NOW than later!

This is only being considered as a law because Microsoft wants to add it to their OS. Obviously ms needs to prevent Linux from being a viable alternative OS to theirs afterwards.

In a few years after all the normies are taking ID verification for granted, anyone trying to use a "hacked" is will seem like a total pedo.

You can argue all you want here, but you're defending an old system that doesn't make anyone any money. It was only a matter of time guys

>>108293949
This. They know full well it's a bullshit requirement. This is a test to see how much pushback they get. Normalcattle probably aren't even aware of this law or they don't care as long as they can BBQ, watch Netflix and shop on Amazon.
They will come back and claim (within a year) and the current age verification process isn't working and that they will have to start requiring a face scan and uploaded ID or driver's license...
THAT is the goal.

>>108293995
If they don't get pushback they will go full steam ahead.
We NEED to push back!

>>108287467
>they dont have the balls to justo say no and dont provide downloads for said state
I always knew they were cucks.

>>108293982
Fight what? All joking aside, the average person actually and literally is a fucking NPC who can barely operate their shitty iPhones. Do you really think the average person gives two fucks about a computer OS? Most them don't even have a PC in their house anymore.
You, me, and the others are a tiny monitory swimming in an ocean of literal NPCs. We have no power, no influence, and no army of lawyers to fight it.

>>108294032
http://netchoice.org/

>>108294021
It's canonical, dude.

>>108294079
Isn't Cucknonical in Europe or some other 3rd World shithole?
Why do they care about American laws

>>108294107
Worse, apparently they're based in London. They've also been performing terrible decisions for their users for the last decade or so.

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stop falling for this doomer shit already.

>>108294156
You fucking idiot.

>>108287683
Lol my kids are getting Ubuntu server. They get a gui when they figure out how to install it.

>>108287699
If it's so useless then why the fuck do it? Just have a normal admin account and allowlist sites you want your kid to be able to visit. You don't need age verification to disable dns or update the etc/hosts for a user. Or just do it on the router level ffs.

>>108294185
if you want to revert a political decision do politics yourself instead of screeching.

>>108294242
If you want to change the way software works write programs yourself instead of begging random devs to do it for you

>>108288262
Careful. Chitwood is getting hard

>>108289591
mintchads win again.

>>108294257
i don't give a shit about nothingburger issues unlike lund*ke shills.

>>108288892
Lol kids will just live boot and play off that or overwrite the installation. There's no actual ID verification required. This is just a nonsense law to open the gate.

>>108294276
>Today: bro just type lick yes you are over 18 GGEZ
>Nothing to see here
>Two years later
>Bro since the button click verification didn't stop kids of lying we need your driver's license now
>GGEZ
You're a fucking idiot

>>108294293

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>>108287467
Name & shame every distro that folds to this.

>>108287467
>you need to be 18 to install linux
I don't get it

>>108289856
What stops a kid from using their parents passport to get around this?

What stops me from using mine to set the age and then sell that on German craigslist?

>>108294306
UHM JUST GIVE US YOUR ID OKAY?

people here complain but when the time comes to support open source project you coded, they give you zero stars on github.. of course recent minecraft leak received at least sixty stars, funny

>>108292315
It's a setting that provides pii that any fucking app or website gets to read through a syscall. Tell me how this isn't a big fucking deal to anyone who cares about privacy?

Younger than 18. Use social media. Social media queries the syscall every time you use the service to pinpoint the day you turn 18.

Kill yourself

>>108294360
self reported age, no real checks = nobody gives a shit

not sure what you are arguing for here, should all OS vendors ignore the law and ban californian downloads because future slippery slope?

>>108294360
You can lie. This is to make parents job easier when setting up the device account. You can also not have it.

>>108294311
It has nothing to do with kids, retards. It's just the excuse they use, because anyone who speaks out against it is "pro harming muh kids" - this works well with the normalcattle.
They don't give a rats ass about the kids. It's about power and control in a trojan horse.

>>108288054
>Some day they will force you to go online and send your age to them.
This is retarded. I have to be 18 to enter a contract with an ISP.
My ISP knows my IP at all times.
The government can ask the ISP with a warrant for my identity.
Why bother with these laws?
Is everyone just retarded? Is that it?

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The OP is a Pinoy who spams Lunduke (Jew) shill posts because it thinks the Jew will help it get residency in America and Jews beg for money as they want gentiles to give them more than over 100 billion dollars every month.

Trannies love Jews, hence why none of these shill posts ever get deleted and why /pol/ was made.

https://archive.is/yWZdz
https://archive.is/VskAQ
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106886278/#106886278
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106894838/#106896329
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106895743/#106896002
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106895057/#106895909
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106895743/#106896165
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106895991/#106896050
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106893718/#106895855
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106896047/#106896089
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106895335/#106896013
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106886280/#106896356
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106894838/#106896329
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106890554/#106895985
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106895335/#106896013
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/106895545/#106895937

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Reminder Lunduke is a Jewish Zio/Israhelli who:

- lives in America.

- wants you to think he likes free software.

- only attacks free software.

- calls you a child rapist and child murderer for believing the age of consent shouldn't be 25 or higher and for supporting free software (note Jewish Zios rape and kill non-submissive gentile children for sports).

- tried to ruin Stallman's life a decade before everyone else tried it because he couldn't counter anything Stallman said (note Lunduke claims to be a victim of cancel culture).

- wants gentiles banned off the internet for not identifying themselves with electronic identification.

- calls you a Nazi if you're secular (note Jews push secularism the most).

- gets easily irritated when you say Jews are Nazis (they are).

- denies Google/Microsoft are "big tech".

- denies getting paid by Google/Microsoft each time you click on his video/blog.

- accused a random chat room on Discord of being Arch's official chat room.

- wants every gentile banned on the internet unless they can be identified/doxxed (he even told 4cuck that it'll be a positive thing https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/108207225/#108209901).

>>108292479
This isn't just for OSes. It applies to any general computing device.

>>108289814
ah yes, the well known communist ideology of the US

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>>108292824
>>108292112
>>108290496
Lunduke is a Jew. Those bloodthirsty parasites don't need to buy ad slots on 4cuck as staff worships them.

>>108293071
Microsoft is for profit. They would gladly fill the linux void and migrate everyone to windows server or azure

>>108293475
0 victims of anything by not having this law. no law should be allowed to exist if there is no harm from not having it

>>108294391
Every one of them should just ignore the 1A violation, yes.

>>108294239

You are grossly overestimating how much most parents (people in general desu) understand tech. People are fucking idiots.

I'm of the opinion that if you're not willing to look into how to restrict your kid's devices then you shouldn't be giving your kids access to devices.

But I'm also of the onion that nobody reads anymore, everybody just clicks "yes/accept" to everything. We've all gotten pretty fucking stupid.

I'd be ok with a law saying when creating an account you have to present an age attestation option. But not actually require collecting it - allow users to say no.

Then the various app stores could choose to require it and I could just choose to not use those app stores.

>>108287467
>its over for linux
Linux is not an operating system.

>downloads source code and patch out the verification

>>108294552
Normalcattle don't think, they respond to their programming and their programming will tell them to comply

>>108294402
Then what is the point of the law?

>>108287643
Just block downloads in california. simple as.

> make a website that looks perfectly innocent for users with the "is adult" flag set
> return hardcore pornography for users with the "is a kid" flag set
> host the website outside of the US

Safety.

>>108288054
It's very likely Microsoft, Apple and Google will respond to this law with an intrusive ID collection system, but Linux and other systems will be allowed for a time to get by with just a prompt asking how old you are when you setup a user or install (not sure how that's gonna work with minimal installs but we'll see)
Then we'll get the ID scan shit as a mandatory feature because Big Tech and Mass Media will stir up a fuss going "look at these degenerate hackers using Linux and BSD which can bypass the spirit of the law because a child can just lie and say he's over 18!"

>>108294745
And most likely this third-party government ID verification system will be headquartered in Israel.

>>108288262
>They'll get banned.
and? piracy is banned. i pirate

>>108292456
they get you at the network level

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you'll never get me I have so many offline operating systems and program backups

>>108294149
Again, absolute cucks. They can just say no and dont play ball

>>108294239
>allowlist
niger

>>108287467
>Ubuntu
Really? If so I am switching distro

>>108287467
If I get rugpulled on using this distro, I will actually be so pissed. I can't be bothered switching. Why did I pick this shit distro? Is it just going to be put into every version? Am I getting regulated by california even though I live in germany? This place is bad enough, don't make it worse.

Why are they even doing this? Majority of minors have never touched a PC/laptop.
Just make it for phones or some crap thats already a locked down turd.

>>108295056
*Whiteknightlist

Are you happy now that I've given up on newspeak

>>108295182
To control speech. We wouldn't be able to post here anonymously if we had to input our IDs just to access our PC.

>>108295370
with how these jews keep saying they want us to literally not own PCs and to stream everything, I believe it

>>108292782
makes huge sense
>london
kek

>>108290917
>All they'd have to do is say in the license "This OS is not allowed to be used in California or other states that require age verification.", or something similar to completely absolve themselves.
Is this compatible with the GPL?
If yes, I see no reason why any project shouldn't do that

>>108295458
they should just say that this software will give you cancer according to california

>>108295458

Doubtful. The GPL doesn't allow placing restrictions on use, I think stating that users of a certain area aren't allowed to use it would violate that.

If I produce gpl software - even a restriction like "you can't use this to break the law" is ultimately a restriction. I should allow people to do illegal shit if that's what they want to do.

>>108295458
I don't know, but I doubt they are even slightly thinking about source code, and that's all the GPL covers. The GPL doesn't even slightly restrict what you can do with binaries. If you wanted to only distribute binaries to your cousin João for 100€ a month and nobody else, that's no problem with the GPL.

>>108290006
>sue the government
>expect the judges appointed by the government to go against the government
>sue myself expecting me to go against myself.

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Source? The last time I checked they wanted to wait for the final law before doing anything. Also why this specimen isn't in the gas chamber?

>>108295525
Forgot to add, but the GPL, if I remember correctly, only requires that you distribute source code to the users of your software. Those users must then be free to distribute the source code as they wish.

>>108295545
oh it's a jew? thanks for giving me more reason to not care

>>108287467
we used to have family computers and some families still do. What do they mean by the age of the user? As if only the one person uses the computer. Do they expect age per user account? Because, one person using the computer is not always the case. And I will just say that I've never seen people using multiple account even on windows. We tried it early, it's stupid. Even using non-administrator a account on windows is annoying. Having multiple ones is even worse. If user accounts were good that would be the way to approach it, but people won't for that to comply. The wife or a kid will just use the same account as the dad. That was the case for majority. The law is just plainly retarded. Whenever you sit at other computer when you visit your parents or whatever makes breaks that brittle stupid law. It's impossible to implement in any sensible manner. People don't like inconvenience and user have nothing in it for creating separate accounts.

>>108295687
It's not about age or children. It's just a form of trying to lock down our properties more.

>>108288892
No, but the age will be saved somewhere and apps will have to check against it.

>>108295729
How do they plan to require that? If they don't make a check at all they aren't allowed to run?

>>108287467
If a red state passed this law they'd give everything they had to defying it. But since it's a blue state they're bending right over.

>>108296254
>If a red state passed this law they'd give everything they had to defying it. But since it's a blue state they're bending right over.
they already did it to porn sites. I guarantee this isnt off the board

>>108287467
Will this law apply to smartphones and smartdevices too? Kids don't even use computers anymore.

>>108296288
thats a very good point

>>108296288
Yes retard, it will

>>108296294
Of course. It might even be worded vaguely enough that it applies to a smart fridge or car.

>>108294156
You have a nigger's capacity for forethought

>>108294469
You don't like the source you can find another tech journo who covers this shit. Oh wait, 99% of tech journos are industry sycophants.

>>108294557
>I'm in control
LOL!

>>108295166
>I can't be bothered switching. Why did I pick this shit distro?
You answered your question right before asking it

>>108295687
It's simple: you inject every family member with an RFID chip in the hand which they can use to log on automatically

>>108290874
It will be trivial to prove this useless law is ineffective. It will have the opposite effect of what you claim. It sets the precedent that it is useful and necessary to determine the age of the user. That part of the debate can basically be bypassed from now on, now the debate becomes about how to fix this completely ineffective system because people can easily lie to bypass it. Never mentioning the fact that it shouldn't be in place at all.

It's a literal psyop. We don't have a problem, so we fail to solve the non problem with a stupid law that doesn't work. Then they go back to it at a later date, suddenly we DO have a problem - we have this law, but it doesn't work! People can easily bypass it! Better fix that...
The debate never comes back to whether or not the law was necessary in the first place because of the implication that that has already been established by making the initial law.

>>108297276
This is a great idea. You can use it for buying and selling stuff too

>>108297526
Jews rape kids

>>108294853
And guess who’s going to jail as soon as their ID gets connected to their computer?
(you) matey.

>>108294311
>What stops a kid from using their parents passport to get around this?
It has a PIN.

>What stops me from using mine to set the age and then sell that on German craigslist?
It's a crime. The passport also has pseudonymous ID function. It creates a unique ID that can't be traced to you and is unique to the requesting service. So 2 services can't even compare if the same user registered to them.

>>108287699
my system doesn't run harry potter-ing cancer such as dbus

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>>108287467
California residents not authorized to use Midnight BSD after January 1, 2027

>You may download MidnightBSD below. If possible, use the UK or https://allbsd.org mirror.

>Most users want the amd64 (x86_64) version. It's for any x86_64 compatible CPU from AMD, Intel, or Hygon.

>California residents are not authorized to use MidnightBSD for desktop use in the state of California effective January 1, 2027. California law CA AB1043 requires a complex age verification system implemented for operating systems with no exceptions for small open source projects. At this time, we don't have development time or a plan in place for this.

https://www.midnightbsd.org/download/

Can someone like sue the Ubuntu maintainers into doing something similar? Maybe a class action lawsuit type thing?

Age verification is only a problem if it's required to login to the actual os. Otherwise it's only a problem for people with bad intentions or the underaged, who shouldn't be allowed online anyways, since they are annoying and lame.

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>>108290874
>it doesnt call fo it
Retard. Once they have any information on you they can extract it.
>it's only a VOLUNTARY measure
>it's only a TEMPORARY tax
>nobody is FORCING you
Same logic

>>108292802
bait we all will fall for

Bernstein v. United States determined that writing code is a form of expression protected by the first amendment.

West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette and Wooley v. Maynard affirm that the government cannot force you to express something you disagree with.
California's AB1043, Colorado's Senate Bill SB26-051, and New York's S8102A all compel operating system developers to write code they may not want to write.

This violates the first amendment and should be struck down.

>>108301373
>(((Bernstein)))
what was the case? cause when I see a jew, I think bad things

The coming false flag terror attack Israel will carry out will ensure digital id is mandatory across all first world countries

>>108301439

I literally said the name of the case, idiot

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>>108287467
I use Linux Mint ;)

>>108287467
This only happens in countries without freedom like United States.

>>108287467
I wonder if Debian will cuck as they have been quite faggy lately.

>>108297256
>I don't like "industry sycophants"
>so I'm going to spam Lunduke the Jew who is the biggest "industry sycophant" because I'm a schizo

Good for you, Moshe.

>>108302911
>still no alternative journalist offered

>>108302911
You're replying to a Pinoy/bot/shill.

Jews deploy them en masse.

>>108287592
This is onboarding. After they have the structure, then they begin integrating various mechanisms.

The purpose is to have Mossad control over every pc. That doesn't just mean "I can turn your computer off" or "I can block your internet" - they want to look through files, and display threatening messages.

An example of what Mossad did this year was they took over a prayer time app and spammed the notifications of people in Iran with taunts.

Mossad wants total world control, and there's no reason to think that any of the pro-homosexuals of tech are manly enough to say no.

>>108302923
Journalism isn't real, and laws aren't either.

>>108303039
>laws aren't real, but the officers dragging me into court kicking and screaming are somehow