>>108290114
No, nigger.

>>108290114
You are a pedo of you don't coooonfirm your age.

>>108290114
No, I won't. I will remove the component. At worst, I'll give up and show it an old man NPC in gmod for age estimation.

>>108290114

They release bullshit age verification.
someone get rid of that code and upload the iso so anyone else can install it.
I dont know what those idiots in congress think is gonna happen.

I honestly think politicians are going to start dying, soon.

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>>108291083
>We're gonna win so much, you may even get tired of winning. And you'll say, "Please, please. It's too much winning. We can't take it anymore, Mr. President, it's too much." And I'll say, "No it isn't. We have to keep winning. We have to win more!"
Are you tired of winning, son?

>>108290114
Do these states even have some uniform API or system for age verification? The distros can't implement shit without it.

I mean if the linux / foss community can come up with a good method that's privacy friendly then it will probably be the best way I'd sooner trust them than some private corpo or government.

However, I don't see how they do this without verifying against some government ID platform or something. Age verification is just unworkable on the internet.

>>108291112
I voted for this

>>108291115
for now the California law is just a self a declaration of age without verification. i think it might be different in Brazil's d Colorado though.

>>108291056
You are missing the forest behind the trees. In 10 years they say that OS-level age verification is ineffective because people can install a custom OS, so the next logical step is to prevent it on the hardware level. It will be the same as phones without jailbreak. Not talking about that even the current implementation would cover 90% of the population.

>>108291113
The reason for this law is that Apple has already made the API and they want all competing OSes to support something similar, so that Apple can say they were forced against their will to allow porn and gun sites use it. If it also encourages jurisdictions to ban open source OSes then that's a nice bonus for them.

https://developer.apple.com/wallet/get-started-with-verify-with-wallet/
>Apps that require age or identity verification can use the Verify with Wallet API to quickly and securely verify a person’s information using their ID stored in Apple Wallet.

>>108291243
how would verification (as opposed to self - declaration) even work on an open source OS? doesnt it need a proprietary blob (like Widevine for DRM) and/or remote attestation ("this is an unmodified version of Ubuntu 28.04 Kosher Edition")

There will be id free by default distros like there are systemd free distros and like how gnu has distros that use zero proprietary code.

The type of people that develop and use non mainstream operating systems are also the type of people who are almost always 100% anit authoritarian.

>>108290463
then you will fail all captchas and be locked out of the internet :^)
no more news websites, youtube, etc. you'll be unable to view any funny postcards anyone sends you. and no signal, telegram, teams, whatsapp, discord, etc.

>>108291319
Open source OSes will be allowed to tell apps and sites that they are just relying on self-declaration, and those apps and sites will have to make a decision about whether there is significant risk of children trying to get around age verification by installing such OSes and lying. Eventually there'll be a court case or an unannounced change to the regulations and all apps and sites will suddenly start blocking every OS that doesn't use a TPM for verification.

>>108290114
why not just say in the tos that users from thoses states are not allowed to use the product, knowing that those users will use the product no matter what?

>>108291605
That's just more ammunition for the Big Tech lobbyists who will say that ISPs need to do Remote Attestation checks on any device that tries to go online. If kids are found to be using Unregulated operating systems like Arch Linux then it will be easy to pass such laws for their safety.

who's gonna patch this into temple

>>108290114
why cant these spineless fuckwads ever go "sorry, due your shitty laws, our distro is not available in your location"

>>108291705
>>108291649

>>108290114
God I hate boomer politicianiggers.
Why do they need CONTROL at all costs.
Couldn’t they just, you know, leave us alone?

They know no one buys the "think of the children" shit. They just don't care.

>>108291903
Please cool it with the antisemitism.

>>108290114
How about no. Big control freak really has been pushing their bullshit recently.

>>108291903
>>108291906
surely the problem is just the politicians and there's no way that these laws would actually be popular with actual parents and prudish boomers i.e. the people who actually bother to turn out and vote, right?

>>108290114
They should just tell him to eat shit and not do it

>>108290114
Less kids using the Internet is a good thing.

>>108291362
oh no... anyway

>>108291115
The problem is the FOSS "community" in general is against any type of verification or trust no matter how benign or secure.
Of course, then they have the audacity to complain about being treated as bots they moment they do something online.

Honesty the easiest way to locally verify age is quite literally just scanning the ID. Most all have barcodes with all the same info as what's printed.
This is the exact same scrutiny given for 18+ purchases and can be easily and securely implemented.

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I'm putting in 31/12/1969.

>a dozen threads about this
>hundreds of posts
Yet no suggestion for an alternative OS to Ubuntu

>>108292720
Kids will find a way. We did back when we were young after all.

take the i2p and BSD pill anon

>>108295052
I have many GBs of IDs of femoids from that one time the femoid platform got hacked.

>>108295221
Cheers anon

>>108290114
As far as I know, there are two methods of installing a Linux distro: offline and online. Age verification may work if the user installs the Linux package online, but offline, it doesn't. The entire installation process is done locally without sending any user data.

>>108290114
>are you over 18? (y/n, default: y):

>>108291115
the """oss""" (*spit*) community can come up with a less shit init system, yet redcorp and M$pottering managed to gently nudge everythingD up every distro's butthole so we get to enjoy linux getting more windowsified by the year

>>108290114
The fact that this is even considered is ridiculous.

>>108295151
>Kids will find a way.
You forget Gen Alpha and beyond are retarded.
>We did back when we were young after all.
Less of a clone world back then.

>>108295735
Doesn't account for the temporal nature of age

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>>108295402
How do you hack something that never leaves the PC?
You can literally just read the barcode to get the DOB
Gas stations and other places that scan an ID aren't contacting a database they are literally just reading the data on the card
Trivial to bypass but it's the same exact muster given for age verification anywhere else.

>>108295877
the number one rule of security is NEVER TRUST THE CLIENT. it worked wonders and things were great
these kikes are locking down computers so they'll act against the interests of their owners to instead do (((their))) bidding. it's preposterous

>>108290114
its their fellow leftist tribal members that did this. so obviously they will obey. they cannot turn against then own tribal members.

>>108290114
I just won't.
I'm not a calicuck, nor a rocky mountain homosexual.

>>108291115
there is zero reason for this age verification garbage. I will probably simply get rid of all my computers. Fuck this.

>>108290114
Free as in free to go fuck yourself if you don't comply with retarded literallywho laws lol

>>108290114
Why do OSes need age verification? It's like saying you need age verification to go into a car (not drive, just going into it). The open source community via the various existing foundations should sue the California state government for overreach.

>>108296293
it means "use our service or get locked out goy"
also lets them enforce TPM+secure boot DRM combo aka (((anti-tamper))) in every computer, just like ARM's (((trustzone)))

>>108290114
Install right now and don't update?

>>108290114
i'm ok with this considering i am a leftist. i follow what my tribe tells me. if my tribe says age verification at the os level that i support.

>>108296751
What's sad is there really are people like this completely unable to think for themselves relying entirely on what the talk heads tell them. It's why the NPC meme caught on so quickly.

>>108291903
because you're not pushing back.
This is why kids get bullied in school: so they know how to handle bullies as an adult

>>108295739
>linux getting more windowsified by the year
just in time for these new laws that require every distro to implement government mandated ID verification at the OS and TPM level. what a weird coincidence.

>>108290114
Typical boot licking commie Linux bro, looking at ways to comply with the system instead of giving them the middle finger.

>>108291189
Then someone will break the hardware. It's /r/boomersbeingfools like usual.

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anyone who thinks this is still about california is mentally retarded, it's following the same exact script as the porn age verification, by the end of 2026 it will be world wide.

>>108290114
>complying distros
Breaking an unconstitutional law is not only morally correct but a civic duty.

I will NEVER do this.

i can't imagine how much it must suck to get v& in the future for telling lies on the internet.

tell me about it.

>>108297676
Funny how all this happens all at once. Couldn't be part of a plan though, that would be crazy.

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>>108291362
Do you promise?

>>108291362
It can't be too hard to make a program that tells websites that I'm verified to be old enough. Because let's face it, this is being designed by legislators, the chances they'll make an actual secure system are about nil.

>>108296751
>i follow what my tribe tells me
I left my tribe because of this stupid fucking war with lessons learned from Iraq, AI, and the economy. I'm homeless.

Age verification in Guix System? No problem, I'll just add this simple line or two in my config.scm

>>108296293
Then you got MidnightBSD who is making their system no longer open source.
Why arent people angry at them?

>>108290114
>age verification for a privacy anonymity schizo distro
is he stupid

>>108298020
all it takes is one group which is perceived to have enough power to actually make others do something for everyone else to do it, too
like if brazil started it the world wouldn't take notice, it'd never happen, but when california does it, other US states will do it, and now you have "the US" doing it, and others can be more sure that it will actually happen

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>>108290114
this would have to be enforced on a per-distro basis since linus is a colonel. what's stopping distros from just saying "fuck you im not doing it," can any actual action be taken against them?

>>108299001
>can any actual action be taken against them?
Governments can demand that private businesses only use distros which include the necessary technology in their default installs. That will in theory put financial pressure on distros that rely on commercial contracts. For stopping private individuals, the government will need to rely on Remote Attestation instead.

>>108299251
Github has been subpoenaed (I believe that's the word) to remove repos before, and they've complied. That doesn't mean the distro will be gone but it does mean it's more difficult to acquire. Other repo sites might benefit from this actually, now that I think of it.

>>108291362
>then you will fail all captchas and be locked out of the internet :^)
Boohoo there's nothing there but bullshit anyway.

>>108299325
>subpoenaed (I believe that's the word) to remove repos before,
Subpoenas only force you to be a witness in a lawsuite.

There's no real standard process for having people stop sharing something in the US but the court can order it in the case of eg copyright infringement.

I mean... great opportunity for the devbase to call their bluff and then bring the economy to its knees when all their backend shit just dies because it's now illegal to use? A technological exodus from California would be pretty hilarious

>>108295877
There difference is that in physical gas stations, they also check the photo on your ID. And they also look at you so if you're like 12 they will not even ask for ID, they'll just tell you to get fucked. And finally possessing fake ID is a serious crime in many places in the world, so even if you literally only use it to buy booze at the gas station, if they ever look at you wrong and suspect something - or if you're ever caught up in an unrelated police search and they find that ID - you're in trouble.

Meanwhile electronically there is no context like your actual physical appearance, and to enter fake information does not require possessing a physically illegal item. They COULD make software that uses facial recognition to match to an ID and also tries to verify it's a legitimate-looking ID card but I could also fork the software to just show me a text box instead and skip all that clownshow.

>>108297676
>absent revenue
Is the law worded as "whichever is greater", or can you actually register $10 of yearly revenue from donations and pay a $1 fine

>>108298511
In this case probably because LiterallyWhoBSD has maybe 10 users in the world of whom 5 might be from some autistic commercial application or something.
If it was a more relevant OS there'd be a lot more outrage. However there is only one OS who has the literal cuck license named after them, so it's unlikely to happen.

>>108291112
I'm excited for the global depression for israel from iran blowing up all the oilfields and pipelines because of israel.

>>108299506
>Meanwhile electronically there is no context like your actual physical appearance,
Right so you could comply with this law by informing users they could type their birthday and state ID number into the GECOS field (lol) when they create their user.

That's legitimately as far as you can go technically since the state doesn't issue people certificates (and they'd fuck it up if they tried.)

>>108299613
Yes, right now obviously. The issue that everyone is worried about is that this sets precedent that the OS is somehow responsible for your age, with two natural follow-up laws sometime in the next couple of years (or even 5-10 years, no matter): either a requirement for attestation using a TPM thus making most truly free software OSes illegal, or even more insidiously, a requirement for the API to either provide verifiable attestation or declare the lack thereof; then websites and software will be able to simply lock out anyone not using a verified good goy attester.

This is not too dissimilar to how for example Google Pay and Apple Pay work on phones right now, where you need a certified attested OS to run them (no custom ROMs, no jailbreaks, no unlocked bootloaders, no nothing). Except legally enforced, for every OS, and tied to your ID.

>>108299613
>the state doesn't issue people certificates
https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/ca-dmv-wallet/

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>>108290114
Surely its just a package you can remove lmao
Worst case is swap to Gentoo

>>108290114
Yeah like every people paying for windows. looks like those niggas dont know what piracy is.

>>108291362
Sounds like a dream

>>108299645
goy, you're being anti-semetic again. stop it you bigot!

>>108290114
how the fuck is this even supposed to work? No internet access = no way to install OS? I know murricans are retards, but still impressed

>>108302443
windows 11 home and pro already require an internet connection to install it officially, no joke

>>108290114
only in shithole states(commiefornia, cuckarado) and countries (brazil)

>>108299358
>A technological exodus from California would be pretty hilarious
Isn't that already happening without all this bullshit?

>>108302523
and still has fallback when installing in air-gapped environments, how the fuck is anyone going to spin up ubuntu in such, inb4 every ubuntu docker image you run requires a photo id and internet connection, it's fucking retarded

>>108302625
I have to imagine most distros will, at most, have a single question in setup where you enter a DoB. But even if it was that level where you send an ID, how does this stop a kid from using a family computer to access the internet unimpeded? It's complete bullshit and doesn't make sense except to retarded normalfags who don't even understand what they're voting for

>>108303423
What will stop them is when a "trusted party" issues digital ID certificates

>>108290114
I don't understand.
Underage people aren't allowed to use a computer?

I used a computer since I was 11 and learned BASIC when I was 12/13.
The government wants to ban this to keep kids dumb?

>>108290114
Tranny commie cultists pretending they didn't push for this

>>108295877
>How do you hack something that never leaves the PC?
same way you get fucked by windows recall lmao

>>108303423
>how does this stop a kid from using a family computer to access the internet unimpeded?
governments will declare it to be a cybercrime to use someone else's account, even a local account on a shared PC. letting a child use your account will be deemed child neglect and the parents will go to prison.

Retarded niggers on this board keep bumping this when ubunutu hasn't even complied yet.
https://nitter.net/ubuntu/status/2029143568762167350
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntus-response-to-californias-digital-age-assurance-act-ab-1043/77948

we should have gatekept the internet more.

>>108299342
Yeah, they must have simply been asked and then taken them down of their own volition. Thanks for clarifying the term.

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>>108303549
>The government wants to ban this to keep kids dumb?
yes. they want children to remain dumb so they'll be happy and own nothing, then die for the zog

>>108304517
obsessed

>>108290114
How is this not government compelled speech? Source code is considered legally protected speech, no different than a book. This isn't controlling access to the OS, this is mandating how the OS and code be written.

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>>108303423
It doesn't stop, only punishes.

>>108291189
Certainly my cats will not be around then which means my lifetime of training will activate