>>108301808
Work.

>>108301808
Each had different pros, cons and different things they were good at. Also >>108301817

>>108301817
/thread

Desktop publishing. Macs in general were much superior work machines with high quality productivity software.

>>108301808
Testing

>>108301808
more expensive American computer > cheaper Latino computer

>>108301808
Commodore were retarded and trying to market hardware as complex as an Amiga was beyond them, this was a little more involved than a VIC-20.

Apple were excellent at conning public schools into buying ridiculously obsolete crap.

>>108301926
???

>>108301808
because computers were scary complicated tools to 99% of the population and macs were the easiest gateway of entry.

the lowest common denominator sadly always wins.

Doom kill Amiga ded since it cannot into linear graphics.

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You boomers are lucky. Imagine having a group of friends you code with. Literally unheard of today.

>>108301808
The compact Macintoshes released in '84.
Amiga 1000 barely sold anything, like a quarter million, Amiga 500 released in '87 sold 5mil units.

>>108302007
By that logic Amiga won by 80's sales numbers though.

>>108302032
Retard take.

>>108302032
Commodore was already fucked when Doom released though.

the AGA machines were too late and not good enough (>still planar graphics). Commodore also had to outsource manufacture of the chipset to Hewlett-Packard since the MOS fab was too outdated.

>>108302032
https://datagubbe.se/afb/

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>>108302093
lol at all the dumbshit Euros who've spent decades trying to prove him wrong

>if I use this 68060 accelerator card that cost almost as much as the computer itself and which wasn't really even available in the Amiga's commercial lifespan then I can get Doom to run at 10 fps XD

>>108302111
You have to make bait more subtle to get more angry (You)'s, you'll just get autistic retards now proving you wrong.

>>108302136
This, a '020 can run Doom at 10-12 FPS. A '030 with a VGA graphics card easily double.

>>108301808
Turns out you can't sell the same computer for almost a decade with no major updates.

>>108302178
wdym? piece of shit didn't even manage a decade under commodore

as has been explained they were still operating off an early 80s home computer mentality that was quickly become obsolete. the Amiga was still even designed to be connected to a TV instead of a monitor.

>>108302178
>from 68000 with 256k with 32 colors to 68040 with 18MB with 256 colors

>>108302212
Replace Amiga with X68000 and say the same and people will go "whooo!".

>>108302200
>>the Amiga was still even designed to be connected to a TV instead of a monitor.
>isn't even aware of bigbox amigas

>>108302221
custom builds don't count faggot.

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>>108302227
>custom builds
You're being retarded on purpose?

>>108302221
zoomies aren't aware of a lot of things

Using custom ASIC chips tends to not be a good strategy in the long run either.

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I'd buy a mac because that's what I grew up with. Apple had some sort of school board deal and they were in all the Canadian schools at the time. All the 30 year olds know OSX Oregon Trail and Number Munchers.

>>108302262
both amiga and macintosh used custom ASIC
how is this relevant to OP?

>>108302262
Depends, even though PC was off the shelf components, most expansions related to multimedia were custom ASIC and required support from the manufacturer and drivers.
Unrelated to OP though.

>>108302305
not just multimedia, even things like networking
also games had to support said hardware

anyway the Mac's B&W mono CRT was crisp and easy on the eyes which made it good for productivity

>>108301808
Because there was 5-10 different competing standards for colour displays, and certain software only supported certain standards. It was a fucking nightmare.
Imagine that GPU's were like consoles and while there's a few games that work on both platforms, most were platform exclusive. Now imagine instead of just AMD/Nvidia, there were five other GPU manufacturers all doing the same exclusivity shit. And it's not just games, but all software.
Before VGA it was a total mess.

>>108302321
Did you even read OP?

>>108301808
I know maffs is hard but boomers are about 68 years old or older

No good software. No Lotus 123 meant no sales.

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>>108301808
The thing hardly anybody understands, even the people around at the time, is that Acorn computers were significantly superior to both Amiga and Mac, but never had the marketing. What could have been....

>>108301808
Amiga users for some reason were raging assholes that would flip out any time they knew someone was using something other than an Amiga. As a result, the public started avoiding anything related to Amiga.
Then again, that also describes Apple users but at least the Apple users had job (and Jobs), bathed regularly, and knew how to touch grass and have sex. Amiga users were a cult that decades earlier would have lived on a dirt farm in the middle of nowhere screaming about the benefits of humans having a diet based primarily on Triticale.

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>>108301808
The thing hardly anybody understands, even the people around at the time, is that Atari computers were significantly superior to both Amiga and Mac, but never had the marketing. What could have been....

>>108302376
>doesn't know what demoparties are

>>108302332
Sorry, I didn't realise I was dealing with illiterate jeets.
B&W display: More software compatibility saar

>>108302376
Amiga was 10x more popular in Europe though.
Vice versa for Macintosh, 10x less popular in Europe.
European Amiga fags had scene parties with LSD and ecstasy all the time, with slutty girls in masse.

>>108302379
Only that's not even remotely true, you colossal faggot. I used them back in the day, Acorn were impressive machines, Atari was coasting on the name and failing hard. Get a clue, and about 30 years more experience.

>>108302399
Holy based

>>108302355
Only that's not even remotely true, you colossal faggot. I used them back in the day, Atari were impressive machines, Acorn was coasting on the name and failing hard. Get a clue, and about 30 years more experience.

>>108301808
>Was the Apple cult already a thing in the 80s?
Yes. They were always used by non techies who saw themselves as creatives. In the 8-0s applefags all saw themselves as 'desktop publishing' creatives.
>>108301819
The Amiga, Atari ST and Archemidies were all infintely better than the Mac in the 80s. Applefags were always wankers who were easily conned simply by Apple telling them they were 'special' and owning an apple product made them 'special'. Yo could let apple marketing let loose on a nigger with down sysdrome buck naked in the congo who dines on his relatives and give him an iwatch and he would immediaely think he was a member of an elite creative sect that appreciated some undefinable quanitity called 'design' that meant he was 'creative' that he could not really explain exept pointing at the apple logo and making 'ook ook' noises. Just like their US and EU and UK etc consumers. Anyone who claims to be a techie and tries to defend unbelievable crap like the macbook air literally held together with heat glue to save money on screws is just a cunt. The reason apple fags are stupid cunts is that apple marketing deliberately targets stupid cunts and always has.

>>108302379
the ST was an extremely popular office computer in Germany back then as it had an optional monochrome display and was basically a cheaper alternative to Macs. unsellable in America where the Atari name was forever associated with vidya instead of serious computing.

>>108302412
Either retarded zoomer or mediocre clueless IQ boomer.

>>108302412
retard

>>108302413
Sam Tramiel said (in re: Atari) "Apple had a multimillion dollar propaganda machine running around the clock. How were we supposed to compete with that?"

>>108302413
ST was also popular for it's MIDI ports

>>108302411
No one ever said Atari was bad did they anon? The ST was a great machine as was the amiga and both were massively better value than anything apple sold to 'desktop publishers'. What was that shit called, quark express. Cunts. .Back then apple primitives thought the person who had most fonts was granted mystical powers.

>>108302413
it was better at work stuff thanks to that and the CPU was clocked a bit faster than Amiga's CPU

>>108302417
I'm in my 50s. Given how wrong you get everything and how little you know I assume you are one of the apple stupids. BY attacking your brand identity you feel I;m attacking you. Yes I am, you are thick as shit which is why apple marketing effects you

>>108302417
>>108302420
seething apple retards. Oh no muh brandfaggotry. My words hit the mark perfectly, truth hurts. Gieven how stupid you are (you ahve to be to be applefags) you have no capacity for introspection or change though, just rage at anyone who says the truth

>>108302453
So "mediocre clueless IQ boomer"
Got it.

another major bottleneck of Amiga was the shared CPU/graphics RAM which slowed everything down

>>108302453
>>108302471
I don't even own anything Applel, never have
Retards

>>108302475
wasn't a problem on bigbox that came with fastRAM by default

>>108302478
>seething unemployed 'desktop publisher'

>>108302472
Look at the midwit brandfaggot go. Post iwatch.

>>108302178
So basically you get to 1993 and you have 486 PCs in the 33Mhz or so range with local bus VGA and 300MB hard disks while Amiga users are still stuck on a 7.16Mhz machine with 800kb floppies and 32 colors on screen.

>>108302453
>>108302493
>50+ and unable to comprehend you can disagree with someone without it being about brand
Jesus Christ that's horrifying, I'd expect a 15 year old to act like that.

>>108302511
'muricans

>>108301808
In all seriousness the answer ultimately boils down to the fact that Macintosh systems were more widely marketed, in addition Apple made multiple deals with various education and business institutions to bulk purchase multiple units for a reduced overall price and also technical support.

>>108301808
Apple was back, just as it is now, toys build for normalcattle NPCs. The paid marketing shills on this board will go into defense mode after reading that, but it is the absolute truth.
Actual technology (android, Linux, yes,,, even windows to some extent) is typically overly complicated for the NPC. Steve Jobs did an incredible job of dumbing down tech to the lost common IQ denominator. The world is literally full of morons, low IQs, legit retards .. far more so than those who actually know how to use and understand technology.
This is why apple is popular
>Impressive marketing that feeds on the FOMO phenomena and "be like everyone else" mindset
>Locked down, moron proof devices that just werk ( as far as the NPC is concerned).
The truth is. Apple is appearing because it's built for and sold to stupid people. The same people who can't program their Smart TV without asking ChatGPT.

>>108301926
Commodore was in the Philadelphia suburbs. Their huge campus is now QVC.

>>108302534
The MOS fab, yes that was located near Philly. They also purchased a subsidiary fab in California in 1984 that had more modern equipment (chips made there had CSG marked on them)

>>108301949
This was true even into the 90s. Something which you wouldn't see in modern schools, having computers that were years past their end of support/life because: the internet was not seen as essential, and even if the computer was on a network there was almost no risk of getting viruses. If a mac was "broken" back then it was because the installation was ruined by someone improperly using ghost or some baby gate had not been implemented to protect retarded users, i.e. dragging the hard drive to recycle bin.

What I meant was that the MOS fab never modernized anything and was still using comically outdated mid-1970s equipment all way to the end in 1992 which as Bil Herd said resulted in a lot of issues with low yields and wafer contamination. They never figured out CMOS chips and had to outsource the AGA chipset to Hewlett-Packard.

>>108301838
It mattered so much that Apple specifically went for a monochrome display so that text would look as good as possible in that time. They had a huge user base in the small printing business, guys editing local magazines and the like.

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>>108302533
Then why has Windows had the largest desktop market share for the last three decades? Are you implying that the vast majority of humanity aren't retarded? If anything it proves users of Macs and other OSes are smarter by virtue of the fact they are learning and using an OS they weren't forced to learn for work.

>>108302412
apple and microsoft are fed operations to keep computing fragmented, confusing, and overloaded with normgroids.
I wish I knew this as a child as I would have never used a windows or mac ever again had I known. it's all a psyop to keep us stupid and broke.
creatives need to rope en masse. they're all prostitutes but nobody will say it

>>108301808
Mac was the first to do desktop publishing really well, and very often if you were getting a Mac that was one of the things you wanted to do. For most documents the higher resolution on Mac was more valuable than color.

>>108302700
It took about two years before Amiga and PC had LaserWriter drivers.

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>>108302566
This is the most retarded thing I've read all week.

>>108302718
How was the selection of software on PC and Amiga at the time though? I never had an Amiga but it took PCs and Windows a while to catch up to Mac in terms of screen resolution as well as ease of use. An advantage of Mac was that you could do everything intuitively from the GUI, without ever having to learn any commands. You could even install a bootable OS simply by dragging the "System" folder to a disk.

Speed too -- I used to have a Mac LC with a 40 MB SCSI hard disk. Since about half the Mac OS routines were stored in ROM it could boot up a lot quicker than almost any PC.

>>108302745
>You could even install a bootable OS simply by dragging the "System" folder to a disk.
Almost all old computers outside of PC worked like that at that time. Some even had basic OS in ROM or could boot off RAM disk by just dragging the system onto the RAM disk.

>>108302718
Aldus and Adobe were on Apple. They weren't moving to Amiga.

>>108301808
why would anyone buy a Dell Workstation when they could buy a Playstation 5?
Its not a valid comparison - Amiga was a genuinely great games machine, but equally Apple were unsurpassed for DTP etc. Arguably, Macs were much more professionally used back in the day than now. You wouldn't get far in the publishing industry hawking Amiga Pagemaker files around and, while Photoshop also appeared on Iris (SGI), there was never the broad pro software support for the Amiga to enable the platform to crack into that market. Atari did good in pro music production tho, just by throwing in MIDI.

>>108302718
Don't forget about PostScript.

>>108301808
Computer enthusiasts were, and still are, fucking retarded

>>108302830
Computer enthusiasts didn't buy Macs in significant numbers until the early 90s. 80s was almost all desktop publishing driven. You can tell just by looking at 80s Mac hardware catalogs. Apple had the ISVs and the format support first, and a lot of it stayed Mac exclusive into the late 90s.

>>108302830
computer enthusiasts bought Apple II not Macintosh

OP is a retarded gayman zoomer and I'm angry I even have to explain this.

The Macintosh had things like Microsoft Office. Fucking Excel and Word. Fucking Photoshop. The first version of Mathematica ran on the Mac. Desktop publishing on computers pretty much started on the Mac. TrueType fonts, dumb zoomer, have you heard of them? Apple invented them.

Meanwhile all your Amiga had was games and an awful UI.

The Mac was for business and work and the Amiga was for children that wanted to play vidya.

>>108302864
>WAAAAAHHH APPLE MICROSOFT = WORK SPREADSHEETS!!!!!!
shut it boomer. nobody is going to buy your house

>>108301808
Commodore fumbled the marketing and skimped on hardware R&D, both of which were terminal mistakes. The Amiga peaked and diminished with equal rapidity. If you were there it was a great few years then you got a Pentium.

Its game portfolio was good and includes several legitimate all time classics (Lemmings, Worms, Cannon Fodder, Sensi Soccer, …). But the hardware couldn’t keep up when people wanted to play Doom. Aftermarket accelerator hacks were available in the sunset years allowing nerds with too much money to play some accelerated 3d games. But the platform was moribund by then.

For serious stuff the Amiga was dominant in broadcast video which was a very small niche. But every TV studio had a Video Toaster for a little while. The cultural memory of early 90s music video effects is Amiga.

You could of course get other productivity software but creative stuff worked better on Mac (maybe even Atari) and boring stuff was better on Windows.

Technology is an arms race and the Amiga was left behind in the biplane era of computing

>>108302864
>The Mac was for business and work and the Amiga was for teenagers that wanted to play video games.
Jfc you retarded fucking zoolenial ever hear of Video Toasting, Octamed, and the entire fucking Demoscene!?!
You will never be Gen X, just accept you were born after the end of history fucktard.

>>108302794
your time would have been much better spent developing a photoshop alternative than buying the boomer bags. the monopolists favorite trap - the ecosystem

>>108302928
>Demoscene
sorry anon, that's just games for people who are too lazy to press buttons

>>108302659
Windows isn't as hand holding as Apple trash. Apple literally treats you like a little baby, completely locked down the device, tells you what you cant install and use on your device. Windows, while dogshit, will more or less let you do what you want. The people who use windows, while indeed morons, are less stupid that those who use apple.

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>>108302939
>a photoshop alternative
yeah, 'bout that..
appears something of a Holy Grail. aka, no cunt gets near it.

>>108302989
Speaking of cunt, is yours still a festering wound (after your transition surgery and all)?

>>108302533
Macs were a success in certain verticals. Just because you're too young to have lived through it doesn't make it false.
Most "professional" Macs came with integrated SCSI - a SCSI card for a PC would cost half as much as a whole Amiga500. That SCSI card enabled direct connection of scanners and of removable hard drives like SyQuest which were the only cost-effective way of sending layouts including high-resolution (at least 300dpi) scanned photos for printing
Your zoomer bedtime story fairytale is constantly being denied by reality - who's coping?

>>108302989
gimp has been good for a very long time. idk about earlier but it does everything photoshop does for me.

>>108303003
>why yes, I'll call him a tranny!
>that'll sort him!

>>108301808
>why anyone would buy a shitty black and white Mac instead of an Amiga which cost half the price of a Mac and is more powerful?
Macs had more benefits for the business sector, whereas the Amiga was more beneficial for a certain type of home user.
Different strokes for different blokes.

Why yes, yes I can! I'm the anon that's been posting in all the apple shill threads about how apple is shit now and you shouldn't buy their garbage.

I'm going to start with the tl;dr rather than putting it at the bottom after my "yapping". Apple computers were more "common" in most creative industries even back then, and had more software available for creative work as well as office applications.


"Yapping" begins: It wasn't so much of a cult back then, I mean the "official" solution for the Apple III overheating and causing the solder to begin to loosen was to legit pick the machine up at least 6 inches off your desk and DROP it so the force would reseat the chips that were starting to loosen from the main board. Because even back then, Job insisted on no fans or vents. It was purely about the software, and not wanting to buy and learn software for another platform even if the hardware was better and cheaper. I actually think this was maybe the Genesis of the cult, really. You had all of these people stuck on inferior hardware because they didn't want to learn a new OS, or that OS's software for their work/creative tasks, so they convinced themselves that the "vision" of Steve Jobs and Apple transcended inferior hardware. It was mental gymnastics. I know I fell for it; it wasn't until recently that I woke up and escaped the cult of Mac. I got sick of paying so much for hardware that has been consistently worse with each new iteration. It used to feel like a premium experience with quality that made you feel excited about buying a new mac, now it's "how did they cut corners and fuck me out of something that is standard on every other computer, this time?"

>>108302533
>The paid marketing shills on this board will go into defense mode

>>108301934
>Commodore were retarded and trying to market hardware as complex as an Amiga was beyond them, this was a little more involved than a VIC-20.

That's because once they kicked out Jack Tramiel, Commodore was treated by Irvin Gould as his personal money laundering machine. They squeezed out every penny out of it while letting it rot. It's why they fucked up the +4 line and refused to make actual real upgrades that people wanted; they just kept releasing more gimped units for increased costs and then wondered why nobody gave a shit.

>>108303024
the real problem with the Apple /// was the PCB using very thin traces that were too small to produce reliably with period manufacturing technology. overheating wasn't really the issue so much as those thin, tighly packed traces resulting in metal bridges forming between two traces and causing a short.

Also Jerry Manock who was one of the Apple /// design team members refuted the charges that it had thermal issues and showed that the fine line PCB traces were the main problem with them.

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>>108303022
/g/ is so young and unimaginative they can't comprehend that computing used to be far more fragmented and targeted.

>>108301808
They kept putting "commodore" on them. That's literally the reason. "commodore" meant "low capability", maybe "first computer for kids".

I know it's hard for nerds to accept, but marketing can tank your whole company.

>>108302566
i went to school between the mid 90s and mid 00s, and the school computers were never more than a few years old at most, because technology moved much more quickly back then, in that time frame i went from seeing classrooms with a couple Acorn Archimedes machines to leaving school with a computer room full of 1st gen Mac Minis

>>108303208
you spent two decades in school?

>>108303224
>mid
he said mid. zoomers can't read.

>>108303224
i'm not sure which part you misread, but mid '90s to mid '00s is a decade
yes, the difference between a school having acorn machines and mac minis was only a decade. these days you can do anything on a decade old machine and not even notice the difference just doing schoolwork

>>108303233
ah no, I was talking about the time frame between those machines which would be 18 years, give or take. Just read the first sentence tho, which proves you correct.

>>108303187
>I know it's hard for nerds to accept, but marketing can tank your whole company.
Literally the nerds are the ones who say that marketing is what killed it.

>>108303247
Why couldn't he have had a classroom of acorn machines? I'm lost, what's your objection to his story? The 90's saw a massive boost to school funding.

>>108303257
False, it's the enthusiasts who do. They have specialized knowledge, and commonly they can't generalize this to other topics.

>>108303247
>time frame between those machines which would be 18 years
you think schools updated computers every year or what?

>>108303247
the arcorn archimedes were discontinued in the mid '90s, and like i said, my schools had computers up to a few years old, these machines were only a few years old when i started school. the mac minis were about a year old when i left school

>>108303265
the enthusiasts are nerds though

>>108303265
People who give a shit about Commodore and Amiga to this day are definitely nerds, anon.

>>108303266
he looked at the release date of the first model of archimedes on wikipedia, not the last one

they had the big box Amigas but the market was primarily centered around the A500 which was just a C64 on steroids

>>108303258
I don't have any fucking 'objection' to his story, I was just saying, there's an 18 year gap between AA and MM. I assume its also UK, in which case, classrooms having 8 year old computers would be entirely believable.

>>108303271
They learn the hard lesson, can't apply it to other situations, and can't communicate it to other nerds.

What makes for Nerd Strongk. is the ability to robustly prove to yourself the laws of nature or machines or whatever. It's rare that a nerd can listen to anyone else's knowledge. That's actually why friendships with nerds are honestly not really friendships, the 'tism is talking about itself to itself with you as a coincidence.

>>108303284
C64 and A500 barely have anything in common
made by different teams of people

>>108303286
>I assume its also UK, in which case, classrooms having 8 year old computers would be entirely believable.
I'm in the US and we still had Apple IIs in the 90's.

>>108303286
i don't remember exactly what models they were, but there were a couple that looked like pic, and a couple that were desktop shaped
pic related for example came out in 1992, i started school in 1995. they did get a classroom of windows 95 boxes a year or two later, but the acorn machines stayed in a few classrooms
the mac mini 1st gen came out in 2005. i specifically said the machines were up to a few years old at the time, and yes, the acorn boxes were about 2-3 years old when i began school
also this is in New Zealand

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>>108303319
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>>108303301
More in the sense of that it was a home computer for playing vidya not a "serious" machine for professional work stuff.

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these look very Amiga'ish tbqh.

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>>108303268
Wikipedia says that, however idk, look at this.

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>>108303326
VideoToaster was used loads by smaller channels and producers.

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>>108303326
uh

>>108303353
aka people who couldn't afford SGI, yup.

Now in USA the Amiga was mainly just a Video Toaster box and that was pretty much it.

>>108303360
aw, it's age-restricted for some reason

>>108301808
It was a cult indeed (in Europe at least). The cult kept Amiga alive even many years after its death. Some people still used Amigas as their main computer until early 2000s.

>>108303471
Well a well expanded Amiga was still viable machine in the early 2000's.

Sabrina would definitely have gotten me into Amigas back in the day

>>108303487
LOL NO even a 68060 would have been trash

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>>108303286
archimedes machines were produced up until 1995, i'm not talking about the first 1987 machines. i don't know when my primary school bought them, but they were not the early archimedes models, i do remember they ran risc os 3.x since that was hard to miss

>>108303498
Uh? I'm talking more like a 300MHz PPC + PCI Voodoo 3 and Sound Blaster Live! on top of the 68060.

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>>108303501
(ps. i do think it's funny when people say ARM and calling programs "Apps" is a new thing when i started using computers that used an ARM cpu and called them Apps 30 years ago)

>>108303511
>Live!
Pretty sure Live didn't work though

>>108303247
When I first saw computers at elementary school, they were 286 or 386 machines with monochrome monitors that booted from a floppy disc (at home I had a Commodore 64), by the time I finished high school they had 1.4 GHz Pentium 4s (while at home I had a dual core Socket 939 Athlon 64 X2).

computing made huge generational jumps up until the early 2010s, when everything got stuck in the same place and we got incremental upgrades only. Even once Zen was out, it only really boosted core count, and slight clock bumps.

>>108303526
Might have been thinking of the SB128 then, one of them worked fine.

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>>108302036
But now you get a heard of AI frens to do it for you!

>>108303527
Zen did pretty big jumps in single core too though. Intel was quite stagnated in the 2010's.

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>>108303372
SGI was anything from 10 to 100x more expensive and started getting prominent in the 90s. Amiga video toaster was a thing in the 1980s. Max Headroom used Amiga rendered backgrounds on it iirc (the character himself was just an actor with makeup).

>>108303543
>Zen did pretty big jumps in single core too though.

Zen started out barely being able to clock above 3GHz, had major latency problems, and dual CCX setups that necessitated OS updates to prioritize one CCX (or even just one specific core) over the other to get over the latency problems. It wasn't until Zen 3 that they fixed all the kinks, and it won't be until Zen 6 that they finally fix the fucked up chiplet interconnects that make them idle at 20-30W for CPU only (except for the monolithic mobile chips and Strix Halo). Shit the first few Ryzens didn't even support C3 let alone C6, they kept running in C1/C2 mode (Intel can go down to C9 and run an entire motherboard+cpu off of 4W).

It made pretty big jumps because it was really fucking behind, and still is in some regards, but they had a good base architecture and Intel was stuck at 14nm+++++++ so they could catch up fast.

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>>108303576
>Max Headroom used Amiga
yeah, I don't dispute the Amiga had a niche in broadcast graphics, nor that they could (and should) have built on it. But SGI eventually stole their lunch, till they fucked up, probably in pretty much all the same ways as Commodore (incompetence/greed/idiots in charge).
But Max was a Special Case as the GFX were supposed and intended to look 'rough' - they also tried Chyron on PC, ditched that, and didn't want to spend $250k on one 'proper' system.

>>108303511
>If I add 2 additional CPUs to my Amiga 1200 I can (almost) match the performance of a 33 Mhz 486 from 1993
>check mate, guys

>>108303661
See >>108303471
>The cult kept Amiga alive even many years after its death. Some people still used Amigas as their main computer until early 2000s.

>match the performance of a 33 Mhz 486 from 1993
Retardbro.

>>108303661
>literally talking about enthusiasts and well expanded hardware
>hurr but two cpoooz?
you're brown

>>108303633
Zen beat Intel in practice, and that was a huge win for AMD, not just winning on paper. Your Zen money got you a cpu competitive with like 2-4 marketing levels of Intel back then. I could find archived magazines if you want.

Euro manchildren either trying to prove Doom could actually run on the thing or else that Sanic games from Mega Drive could run on them.

>>108303689
and they managed both

>>108303689
The Master System Sanic games were doable on Amiga, the Genesis ones certainly not it's just not fast enough.

>>108303656
Of course SGI stole their thunder, Commodore management shot down every single actual improvement the hardware teams were doing on account of it requiring actual investment to bring to market. It took them until 1992 to finish the AGA which was just a small step up, when Jay Miner had something comparable already done by 1987.

>>108303705
>the Genesis ones certainly not it's just not fast enough.
??

>>108303705
>>the Genesis ones certainly not it's just not fast enough.
>same CPU
>better graphics capability
lol?

you will remember that Commodore needed a next-gen 16-bit computer in a hurry so they just bought the chipset Miner's team had designed for what was supposed to be a next-gen game console and instead built a computer around it

>>108303728
You don't get it, anon, the Amiga wasn't as fast as a Genesis!

>>108303731
Miner was designing a whole computer not just the chipset.

>>108303680
Zen only beat Intel in core count, and the fact that it did not get its performance slowed down more and more by vulnerability patches (with all security patches running, an FX 8350 can outpace Hawell). I've been using Ryzens since Zen+, believe me, it was nowhere as rosy as you make it look like. In fact it mostly sucked up until B550 and the 5000 series.

>>108303728
Ha no the Amiga is actually a little slower, it's 7.1Mhz while Mega Drive was 7.6Mhz on top of which it loses 30% of the CPU cycles due to the shared video/CPU RAM. You can also scroll the screen around on Mega Drive faster and with less CPU cycles needed.

>>108303728
it's the genesis that had better graphics hardware, at least for what sonic needs
someone is trying to port sanic to the amiga, see him struggle
https://youtu.be/k6ROHHcF2rU

>>108301808
Workbench 1.0 was shit and by the time CBM got their fingers out of their asses and released a usable revision of the OS the platform was effectively dead. Also the high rez (for the time) monochrome display Apple had was better for doing actual work on than either Amiga or IBM's fuzzy color displays.
(IBM got a high rez monochrome option pretty soon after, but fuck all software actually used it properly.)

>>108303728
>>108303719
Genesis had a faster video chip with more background layers, better sprite capabilities, tilemaps, and didn't lose as many cpu cycles updating memory. Also the whole chunky vs planar thing.

>>108303759
Like he said, the OCS chipset was from 85 so it's really more Master System level tech.

>>108303775
who said OCS? the guy in the video is using AGA

now the Amiga was a computer so it was better at computer kinds of games that need a keyboard and lots of rewritable RAM, but half the library was just crappy Euro attempts at porting console side scrollers

>>108302355
>What could have been....
But Acorn rules the world now? That's what ARM is.

>>108303771
even the Atari ST had the optional monochrome monitor+640x400 mode for business software

>>108301808
c'mon, the mac was everything in one single unit that you could pick up and carry anywhere you wanted. and don't forget the 1984 commercial that aired during the superbowl. commodore sure wasn't spending money like that, and marketing fucking works.

If you compared WorkBench to the Mac OS...there was a huge difference in the UI and the design and overall thought that went into the Mac's. WorkBench just feels amateurish.

>>108303795
the amiga had better graphics hardware than say, a PC back then, pc's only won out eventually through brute cpu strength. after a certain point having a fast cpu with simple graphics output was more beneficial than a slow cpu with complicated graphics output

>>108303807
For some reason Commodore had this idea that their customer base for their new high end machine would still want to use a TV as their monitor, so everything was designed to work around that. That's a large part of what went horribly wrong with Workbench initially too.

>>108303774
>better sprite capabilities
80 16x16 sprites with 32 sprites per line while the Amiga had just eight sprites that were 8x200.

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>>108303812
>marketing works
The true genius in '1984' was getting the BladeRunner dude to shoot it. Now we just get actually dystopian Superbowl ads.

>>108303775
Genesis was three years newer, back then three years was a huge difference. The Amiga was able to do ports of mid-80s arcade games like Commando pretty good but by 89 it definitely couldn't keep up with the latest stuff.

>>108303834
80x16x16 = 20480 pixels
8x8x200 = 12800 pixels. Genesis wins.
That's before getting into shit like updating tiles in memory to do animation, or updating palette each frame to do animation, or updating palette mid-frame for the water effects etc. Or that you have two playfields and the Amiga can't do that without very serious color limitations.

And Sonic is extremely sprite heavy and takes advantage of all those sprites, so on Amiga you are fucked either way.

In such fairness of course Euro developers were able to put out Mega Drive games easily since they had a lot of experienced 68k coders thanks to Amiga and Atari ST.

>>108303834
>while the Amiga had just eight sprites that were 8x200
it's basically just like the Atari 8-bit sprites but more colorful and there were more of them. also they got rid of the player/missile thing.

Test

>>108301934
Commodore's peak moment of retardation was getting rid of Kit Spencer.
People forget the importance of marketing in the 1980s, and Spencer was the real reason the C64 was the huge success that it was.
Without him there to oversee marketing for the Amiga, the result was wholly predictable.
>>108302423
Jack Tramiel was infamous for being a penny-pinching jew.
He actually had the opportunity to buy Apple for about 250k, but he thought that would be a waste of money.

>>108304052
he also grifted Microsoft in the late 70s and almost bankrupted them

>>108303759
>>108303785
????

https://retroric.itch.io/sonic-the-hedgehog-amiga-tech-demo

>even the weakest amiga with just RAM upgrade can play it

>>108303831
>For some reason
Poorfags. Majority of userbase had just a stock A500.

>want to use a TV
And they were right with the budget machines.

the Amiga sadly was ruined by awful copypaste Atari ST ports and terrible shovelware from grifters like US Gold/Tiertex.

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>>108302215
The X68000 was another machine doomed by stagnation. They stuck to the Motorola 68000 for too long, even their 1993 models only upgraded to the 68030.
Pic unrelated: a Mac from 1988 with a 68030.

>>108303759
Just add a $1,000 68060 card and you might get Sanic to run at 15 fps.

>>108304356
Motorola themselves got doomed by stagnation because they got so fat and lazy off the 68000 cash cow that they just forgot to invest in new tech.

>>108304214
>no animated flowers/waterfall/tiles
>flickering rings
sure, and game gear can play sonic, too. the point is can it run it as well as the megadrive?

Talk shit on the Amiga when this was at a time when PC "games" had pink and aqua colours and bleeper sound.

>>108304442
but PCs also had real software you could do work with

>>108304356
That IIx also cost almost as much as a small car.

>>108304373
>what is AIM and PowerPC
Motorola used to make PPC CPUs too

>>108304875
That was really an IBM design that Motorola just manufactured.

>>108302864
>Meanwhile all your Amiga had was games and an awful UI.
also a low res eye rape color monitor

if you saw those Amiga ports of Colonization and X-COM they were painful. the OCS chipset was a museum piece by the time those games were out.

>>108305007
they had an AGA version of X-COM I thought? i know the OCS version was very cut down due to technical limitations.

>>108303080
but tramiel also didn't want anything like the amiga because he was himself another kind of penny pincher that went on to make the Atari ST, essentially the 16/24 bit ZX Spectrum with exactly nothing to offer (aside of midi which was more of a happy accident of the input controller than an initial design premise). The main thing the ST provided the world was being so shit that both it's games programmers and it's demoscene provided programmers that created absolute masterpieces on other hardware because they knew every trick the 68k had, since nothing would work without pulling every possible trick. One was lucky to buy Amiga and the other was lucky MIDI took off and they had a niche for a while but Commodore and the Amiga were doomed to fail under either of them.

>>108305110
the ST was more meant to be a 16-bit successor to the PET as it originated from Commodore designers