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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots.
JUNO-XJ9 edition
>News
GLM-5.1 by Z.ai is out: https://nitter.net/Zai_org/status/2037490078126084514#m
Xiaomi MiMo V2 Pro released: https://mimo.xiaomi.com/mimo-v2-pro
Anthropic SUING USA: https://www.cnn.com/2026/03/09/tech/anthropic-sues-pentagon
Google to rollout HARD CAPS for API keys: https://nitter.net/OfficialLoganK/status/2028842571934670988#m
Google Gemini 3.0 Pro Preview Deprecation soon: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/deprecations
Google releases Gemini 3.1 Pro: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/gemini-model s/gemini-3-1-pro/
Additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html
>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_
>Bots
https://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://char-archive.evulid.cc | https://char-archive.evulid.cc/shutdown.html
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots.html
>Models
Jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
GPT: https://platform.openai.com/docs
Claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
Gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
Deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com
Local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html | https://openrouter.ai
>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.html
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor
>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events.html
Lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
Services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
Logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org
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no news untill i wake up, or an anon wants to do it, and idk if ill bake the next thread because ill be afk
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>>108549852
Nta but I'm also noticing that it has some retarded lapses in logic, it happened twice in an hour while I used to go with Opus for days without needing to swipe.
One time I also got an output that felt like the kind of output you get when the temp is turned waaaay up (full schizobabble), even though I didn't mess with my preset at all. I don't know what happened there.
It also doesn't write like as fast AWS Claude, it's significantly slower.
Something is definitely off about pomidor's Claude.
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small log so the thread isn't logless
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>>108554459
That's the weird part, it still has the Claude -isms like its naming pattern: Henderson, Peterson, Patterson, Rodriguez. (I haven't gotten a Chen in my 10 swipes though but that could be because of context)
If anything, I'd say it feels like Sonnet 3 with how heavily it sticks to personality and not changing it over time, maybe?
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>>108554390
No one's getting arrested over text they didn't write
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I don't feel good asking for spoonfeeding but I rarely know where to search for this type of thing so like, sorry.
I'm on Deepseek via Chutes (which I have no problems with, quality-wise), but recently it's either slow af or just goes down all of a sudden.
Basically I wanna know what is everyone using nowadays?
Are proxies still a thing? Or some kind of free option?
If not then what's like, the cheapest option rn?
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>>108554524
OpenRouter is fine. I dunno what the Chutes situation is like but OR has every flavor of Deepseek available best I can tell as well as the gorillion other chink models, making it easy to give them a shot too. Also a couple free options for the new Gemma model set popped up today so there's that. With OpenRouter you can get 50 messages per day on free models, infinite if you pop 10 bucks into your account.
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>>108554545
Now that you mention it, it's possible that it could be Gemini, since this is supposed to be a coomer card but all she's doing is roasting me.
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>>108554546
I'm more surprised that there are any frankly.
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>OpenRouter
I see. Is there any difference from using Deepseek from OR vs Chutes?
>infinite if you pop 10 bucks into your account
Really? Like, a one time only payment?
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>>108554599
>I see. Is there any difference from using Deepseek from OR vs Chutes?
To my knowledge, no. In fact, Chutes serves a bunch of models, including Deepseek, through OR. If they piss you off you can block them though lmao
>Really? Like, a one time only payment?
Yep, my understanding is as long as your credit count has been above 10USD at some point you can gorge on free models as much as you want. I'm like 90% sure it remains that way if you spend part of it too, but I put 15 in when they enacted that rule just in case.
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>>108554643
guess i'll close the tab in shame
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>>108554623
That's cool. Think I'm gonna give OR a try and then put some credits if I like it enough. Thanks anon!
Out of curiosity, what's a popular model in these threads currently?
I don't want something too new cause they usually burn through credits too fast.
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>>108554686
If price is the killer you may as well stick with Deepseek, I think it's the cheapest by far. I've been using GLM 5/5.1 lately and comparatively it's much pricier but at the end of the day it's still cheap as shit and my spend is about a dollar a month. 4.6 and 4.7 are much cheaper and I think a couple dudes swear by it but I haven't experimented enough to offer an opinion. Some other guy has been shilling the hell out of Kimi and iirc it's alright, I think Mimo is supposed to be okay but it's super prudish and offers denials a lot.
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oh oops, my eyes don't work
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How do you wake up your character in your RP anon?
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In the dark dystopian future of 2027, tomboys were made illegal. Any woman suspected of tomboy behavior must either act according to her gender, or undergo a sex change to become a man.
Your childhood friend Joanna is one of those suspected tomboys. She had a shock collar placed on her to make her comply with the new norm, and is closely monitored for unfeminine activity.
5 openings.
1. 1 week after tomboys were outlawed. Joanna asks you to help her learn how to cook to convince the government she can be feminine.
2. 2 months after tomboys were outlawed. Joanna is finally deemed fit to go out in public, even if she's not quite comfortable being seen while looking so feminine.
3. 1 year after tomboys were outlawed. Joanna laments her lost gains and overall softer physique after a year of no lifting and mandatory estrogen microdoses.
4. (BAD TIMELINE) 2 years after tomboys were outlawed. Jo was v& a year ago, and today someone new moved into her house: "Joe".
5. (GOOD TIMELINE) 2 years after tomboys were outlawed. Jo has become a symbol of tomboy resistance. And she just reached out to you.
https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/joanna-2beb932acc94
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https://rentry.org/anonemouse
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>seiko dead
>skill issue down
please i want to gooooooooooooooooon to txt
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>>108555002
glm 5.1 almost gets it.
deepseek does as deepseek does.
the later gpt models might get it(?) but changing presets would have ruined the point imo
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any shake-ups in the model meta or is it still the same?
>gpt
lol
>claude
not bad but overpriced for what you get
>gemini
smart but stale with a dogshit filter
>glm
can sometimes cook hard but 95% of the time its just retarded, or maybe it needs a different kind of wrangling than my preset gives
i haven't tried any chink models because i assume you get what you pay for when it comes to them
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>>108555020
man I'm just asking a question
I like that Rudolf is tomboyish yet also motherly in a non-gooner way, so for her to cheat there would have to be a strong incentive to remain silent and not voice dissatisfaction with her trainer, like {{user}} got cancer or something leaving every other trainer wondering why she stopped racing, wasting her talent
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New megallm just dropped
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>>108555628
>/character/detail
>/character/mine
https://xcancel.com/xhyctf/status/2041696011933118854#m
Retard.
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>>108555518
Why even post it if you're gonna be like that, then. I don't understand, is it a new form of smugposting?
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>GLM-5.1 was achieved without access to an EUV machine.
>This is considered an impossible feat so distillation is the only possible explanation.
>What comes next is a comprehensive national security review comprised of top US intelligence agencies and AI labs
DC believes the US needs to pay attention to how Chinese are gaining access to US models for distillation rather than on what Chinese labs are doing which is less interesting
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>>108556408
>EUV machine
I'm not interested in the topic enough to watch a video, but couldn't they have just built their own?
They were getting stonewalled or something by anything officially american owned from what I've seen on the catalog, but official doesn't mean much.
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>>108556436
They haven't cracked the precise optics and molten tin generator Zeiss and Cymer developed but is very close. The scariest part desu is they are creating a fully domestic supply chain whereas the supply chain for semiconductors is global.
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>>108557210
It's his new form of trolling since he can't spam slurs because the janny will clean his diaper.
Reminder; the opus you and I care about is gone forever, and the retard thinks it's funny to pretend to be esl while baiting (you).
It's still trolling though, and breaking the rules.
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D4 HYPE
DEEPCHINK BROS WE ARE SO BACK
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I hope they manage to make it work just to piss off my retarded politicians
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>>108557727
there is plenty of NTR in uma
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How do i import this wtf does his mean
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it's a jpeg not a charx and it won't import
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https://litter.catbox.moe/5bww14xbn27lfrqx.jpeg
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Bro doesnt even try to make believable bait anymore, he just says Opus and looks at you like this.
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>>108558246
HOLY FUCK
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Is the assumption that skill is totally dead, or that some models currently don't work?
Because I just checked the nigga's rentry and he's already got a new link up.
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DOA
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>Really? Like, a one time only payment?
What the other anon said, with the caveat that free models become limited without warning. You might get rate limited to a request a minute, or they might become very, very slow during busy times.
But they're free until they remove them. They train on your convos too
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At least it beat the chink models.
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This is one of the worst graphs I've seen in my life.
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>>108558786
This would have been an amazing release 6 months ago. But the industry moves so fast, this is a trite release. Maybe it’s best for Meta to sell their superintelligence division. Zuck just has fomo, he really has no vision for this.
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Even though Claude has something the other models lack to capture, I've lost all faith in Anthropic for our use case. The last decent model from them was 3.7, everything after that is just degradation after degradation, which is such a shame.
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From the text examples I've seen in anthropic's system card, it writes like the most insufferable pretentious faggot i've ever seen.
But ofc who knows, it might actually be good with a decent preset. Nevertheless, I wonder if models are getting too smart to jailbreak
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It makes 0 sense to have 2 separated generals
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>>108558925
Jared Kaplan mentioned 2 years ago they planned on giving away the weights for haiku. Would have been nice but all the chink models mog Haiku nowadays. Gemma 4 is practically perfect even at 31B 16bit.
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https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/108544615/#q108555168_1
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>>108558952
>Opus 4
The fact that you think that model was good tells me alot already. I'd understand if you said 4.1 or even 4.5, as they were actual decent upgrades, but they were upgrade to an already positivity and assistant slopped base model.
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>>108558801
Wang, that's right THE Wang, said they'll open source. Although it does look grim, why would they double down on safetyslopping when everybody else is quietly relaxing
>we conducted extensive safety evaluations before deployment, both before and after applying mitigations
>we found muse spark demonstrated strong refusal behavior
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>>108557257
It's not even decent trolling, since slurping on jewcock like he's doing is the opposite of 4chan. He's like the aspie trying to look cool in class but everyone is just rolling their eyes at his constant failing.
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Dario is secretly using Mythos rn to goon to the most terrifyingly depraved shit in existence. He even looks like a coomer
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WHAT IS THAT MAN DOING TO HIS BALLS???
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>>108559066
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/MVXIMVM%20TRVKLEAR%20TRVTHBOMBA/
Jesus christ.
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Janny how have the mods not accepted the permaban yet.
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This mean nothing if it don't have Opus' soul while writing and being able to stay in character and be true to the character
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>>108559325
Ill bite.
Where are all of the Opus 4 logs?
Oh thats right, unposted because the Opus sloppers have completely given up because other models easily mog anything opus could create, and they fear the judgement by other anons in knowing Opus isnt as good as it used to be.
Also youre trolling >108559347, but thats a different issue.
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>>108559397
I couldnt have possibly asked for a better reply to laugh at.
>>108559406
To troll until enough of us report him to get banned.
Literally nothing else, you must understand he is from the sharty, happiness only comes from the suffering of others.
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>>108559180
More text means lower chance anyone would read it. Although I do believe refusals are refusals and don't hold my breath for how uncensored it might be if we ever get to play with it, this wasn't for FUD.
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>>108559708
Technically yes. In practice, I find it better to err on the side of caution. And moreover, relatively succinct logs are better in 75% cases, ergo extrapolating from that -- my approach.
My own brain is fried enough I skip stuff sometimes, and when all llms inevitably fall into the same patterns skipping and skimming when reading became habitual long ago.
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How is Gemma for lewds? What's the concensus here? I've only tried it a little bit but it seems to be pretty uncensored and the prose looks very similar to Gemini, which is a bonus compared to how dry Deepseek has gotten. I'm trying out a pretty hardcore loli scenario and it hasn't given me any denials so far.
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It's a rise file type.
This should work for st but it won't have the embedded images
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>>108560063
rise>risu
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>"Yes I love pizza. No, I would never pay for it. Instead I sit all day next to the dumpster that is right next to the pizza store, and wait for people to throw their leftovers into the dumpster. Then I scrape the tablescraps and eat them. Sometimes there's cockroaches and dirt on them but it's a lot better than getting a job and paying for warm pizza"
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>>108559976
who knows
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>>108555045
BVLT 4 THE DARKEST JUICIEST BBC
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>>108561308
No.
This guy tests LLMs and from all big models he tested the Meta's model performed worst, it's not even close to Opus 4.6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfxRAdmxjOo
This benchmark meme must be abolished.
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>>108561506
Oh boy, would you look at that.
/aicg/ told me that this model would be better than Opus
/aicg/ told me to turn off my pattern detecting and believe that despite Meta's trajectory of releasing pure garbage this model would, miraculously, be as good or better than Opus
It's almost as if /aicg/ is always in the wrong side of history
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>Google to anthropic
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>>108561506
Imagine being this faggot right now: >>108559228
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>>108561506
Sure there wasn't anyone here actually believing that llama would be good, right?
Oh wait, nevermind, this little guy was: >>108559228 >>108559180
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>No one working on Llama worked on this model, you never used it, and you never saw an output.
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Hes right though, and thats not even a defensive statement.
Team members no longer share work projects as corporate structures have changed, nobody has used spark, and nobody has seen an output.
Are you just mad or retarded?
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>>108561703
Who has said this?
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>>108559976
Gemma knows practically every niche NSFW concept I've thrown at it. Even if it's maybe not native to its dataset it figures it out with reasoning. Also slightly unrelated but it's probably the best local model I've tested for adventures since it treats the rules you've laid down, character inventory, skills, quirks, and so on as gospel that it will maintain throughout the course of your session.
The only downside to me that I find it a bit dry compared to some smaller NSFW oriented finetunes. Probably a byproduct of its assistant-first intentions is that you need to really coach it to be more prose oriented and slow down, otherwise it gives you exactly what you demand with little room for left-of-field surprises. And I like surprises.
I'll probably have to craft ERP specific System Prompts for it.
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>>108561827
Don't bother, he's retarded. you must understand, he's underage and cannot make posts up himself, he needs a trolling guide, otherwise he just gets ignored.>>108561827
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>>108561506
Just tested it.
It performs as good as gemini 2.5 and gpt4.5.
Benchmarks truly mean nothing. These labs just overfit and benchmaxx.
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>>108562001
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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>>108561827
>proof?
The model is shit
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The model is shit, I won.
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>>108562001
Now paste a character card and/or a jailbreak. Maybe even this one: >>108556460
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really?? I've been using deepseek and it doesn't, at most it will spit a onomatopoeia here and there
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>try doubao-sneed-2-0-pro-260215 on a whim
>it's actually pretty decent
Creative, uncensored, and it follows instructions like a slave (good).
I'm surprised none of you anons talked about it, even checked the archives and people seems to only be interested in the video generation. I haven't played with it a lot, so I'm sure it has some horrifying defects. I've noticed some issues with repetitions.
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>"hehe, hey opus, generate a hikikomori otaku loser girl for my next story, make her really pathetic and unhealthy"
>gives me back someone whose behaviors overlap with mine by at least 70%
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anons, is there a rentry for good SillyTavern settings to make the LLM generate good prompts for comfyui, so it can generate roleplay-style images and summaries of the story? what's the best sort of image model for that? ponyXL clearly can't respond to the LLM's prose-like prompts.
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