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A general where you bend the knee and pay corporations to vibe code with their overpriced jewish slop, coding agents, AI IDEs, browser builders, MCP, and shipping prototypes with LLMs.

►What is vibe coding?
https://x.com/karpathy/status/1886192184808149383
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/19/vibe-coding/
https://simonwillison.net/2025/Mar/11/using-llms-for-code/

►Prompting / context / skills
https://docs.cline.bot/customization/cline-rules
https://docs.replit.com/tutorials/agent-skills
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/spark/prompt-tips

►Editors / terminal agents / coding agents
https://cursor.com/docs
https://docs.windsurf.com/getstarted/overview
https://code.claude.com/docs/en/overview
https://aider.chat/docs/
https://docs.cline.bot/home
https://docs.roocode.com/
https://geminicli.com/docs/
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/how-tos/use-copilot-agents/coding-agent

►Browser builders / hosted vibe tools
https://bolt.new/
https://support.bolt.new/
https://docs.lovable.dev/introduction/welcome
https://replit.com/
https://firebase.google.com/docs/studio
https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/tutorials/spark
https://v0.app/docs/faqs

►Open / local / self-hosted
https://github.com/OpenHands/OpenHands
https://github.com/QwenLM/qwen-code
https://github.com/QwenLM/Qwen3-Coder

►MCP / infra / deployment
https://modelcontextprotocol.io/docs/getting-started/intro
https://modelcontextprotocol.io/examples
https://vercel.com/docs

►Benchmarks / rankings
https://aider.chat/docs/leaderboards/
https://www.swebench.com/
https://swe-bench-live.github.io/
https://livecodebench.github.io/
https://livecodebench.github.io/gso.html
https://www.tbench.ai/leaderboard/terminal-bench/2.0
https://openrouter.ai/rankings
https://openrouter.ai/collections/programming

►Previous thread
>>108649511
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just pay it up more goyim
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why would you be a claude cuck when codex chads get limit resets every other day
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>>108657970
>>108658001
can you guys stop typing like me
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I use free chatbots as a stack overflow replacement
am I a vibe coder
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>>108658033
no you're still just a code monkey
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>>108658033
>stack overflow
dang, i forgot that even existed
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>a huge block was deleted ... it's all gone
so this is the power of claude
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>>108658178
lmao rekt
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since when oai became the good guys kek
imagine fuck up so bad you get publicly mogged like this
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I just failed an interview today because they said I still had to understand coding basics...

Why can't I vibecode everything?
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>>108658001
>why would you be a mushy turd cuck when solid firm turd chads get to eat quality cuisine
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>>108658476
I'm gonna be honest, Claude is kind of trash for coding compared to Codex 5.4. It just eats tokens and shits itself constantly with retarded tool calls.
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Can anyone who has used both Codex and Claude share a comparison of token usage between the two platforms?
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>>108658503
be your own boss
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>tell ai to make a venv and install the deps
>it dumps them into system python
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>>108658653
leave the coding to the ai. don't let it run any commands
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I've been scraping baseball stats for 24 hours, at least 30 hours remain holy fuck
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>>108657745
Thanks to the AI we don't have to deal with edgelords at discord, reddit and /g/ anymore. AI answers everything.
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>>108658947
Where do you think the AI gets its info from?
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>>108658960
Do you even understand what you read? I was talking about the disgusting behaviour. Also, social media isn't the only source for AI training, have you ever heard about something called academia?
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>>108658001
I’m both
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>>108658653
tell it to use uv
tell your friends to use uv, too
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>>108658947
Also you can use Rust without having to deal with its fan club
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>>108659153
>rust
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>a vibecoding general exists
I'm poor and retarded, and I've been building a shitty app for 3 years by copypasting code blocks from Claude chat (waiting my daily reset each time)
I'm sure there's better ways to do this kek
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>>108659249
If the goal is just to not spend anything, use Codex. If you have money to burn, still Codex. If you're trying to be frugal, China. If you're already rocking 16GB or more of VRAM you might look into local models, they're still shit by comparison but not useless by any means. I can't recommend anything that fits into less than 16GB yet though, not with a straight face.
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We're practically feasting, codexorinos
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>>108658476
Sama saw Dario get his circumcised peepee smacked by the Pentagon and decided he didn't want the same thing to happen to him. So now he has more reliable fedbux/contractorbux and Anthropic's checks to Nvidia and AMD are bouncing.
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>>108659275
Trinity Large Thinking isn't quite up to GPT/Claude standards but it's retardo cheap if you need API calls rather than a subscription. I use it for my robot assistant.
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>>108659275
I actually have my own little local setup with Gemmy 4 26B, but I figured it's not nearly smart enough to code properly; I had actually started this project ages ago, back when frontier models were still VERY bad at coding, so I think I've had my fill of "here's a new and unnecessary class to put in your app, complete with hallucinated variables".
But thanks for the Codex rec I guess, I figured all those fancy schmancy coding apps all required a subscription (and I'd rather not sink any money on a project as utterly stupid as this one, especially since I'm mostly in it for the curiosity of it so I tend to get very liberal with tokens)
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When LLMs fill their context, they get worse, but what happens after compaction?
For my experience, right after compaction they modes get bad, but do they recover as they fill their context again? Or is the compacted part still rotting?
What happens after a few compacts? Is the compacted part, like the 10% or so of the context it uses for that, just garbage at some point? Or can I keep using the same agent throughout multiple compactions?
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it's over
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>>108658939
what kind of pajeet scraper did your AI make? my scrapers saturate my entire internet bandwidth and download a whole terabyte per day from any website as long as i don't have to use proxies
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>>108659416
What model?
>>108659423
What do you scrape?
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>>108659383
With Claude Code you can at least see what got carried over and you can also give it instructions on what to keep and what to toss
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>>108659430
>What model?
5.3 Codex

Altman-sama... please.. I will get fired...
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>>108659430
>What do you scrape?
social media
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>>108659447
How do you deal with Cloudflare faggotry, captchas, and login walls?
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Codex with 5.4 and Superpowers is genuinely way fucking better than Opus is now holy shit.
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>>108659454
i copy my cookies from the browser and it lets me make http requests
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Has anyone experienced with local-run LLMs like Qwen3.5 "Opus distilled" now that they are quantized enough to run off a 5090?

is it acceptable vs paying a claude code subscription?

what's your setup like, you run it by Terminal or use a GUI like AnythingLLM or ClawCode? how many token/s you get?

I'm looking into investing in a used gpu vs paying the extra usage fees on Claude
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>>108659553
Any dGPU even remotely cost-competitive with just paying the cloudbux is dogshit and won't run anything worthwhile for programming.
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>>108658939
Thanks for ruining the internet for the rest of us
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Hey neuroscience anon. I'm developing a distributed neurorobotic platform as a physical testbed for neuromodulatory learning principles and will be exploring your work through my research. You did good, nigga.
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>>108659455
I think Codex is just better in general right now.
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My latest Codex chat in vscode didn't load so I needed to start a new chat which is not a good thing because now it doesn't have the same context.
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>>108658653
Sir you need to lock in and upskill your skill issue the AI is infalliable and its faster then humans and if you don't doing this you will be left behind

>>108659153
Dilate tranny
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>>108659827
does it not have a resume function?
cli does
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what the fuck is happening to all these AI services?
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>>108660067
burgerclaps are going to wake up to a shitstorm of unavailable/rate-limited/broken services. happy coding today!
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>>108660067
Data centers getting hit by Mossad and Iran is the only reason they're all crashing
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>>108657745
Usage limits are fucking bullshit.
>already exhausted free Antigravity usage
>already used included Pro in Cursor so have to use their crappy Composer 2 model or auto.
When will this change? I wanna vibe code and fix stuff, get things going.
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>>108660113
Gemini even via API is insane, I had to make an app supporting the big 3 and gemini constantly hit rate limits unlike the other 2, what the fuck.
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>>108659249
>I'm poor
Me too, I decided a while ago that paying for "intelligence" is actually worth it as much as paying for electricity, people need to have this perspective shift. There's few things more important than intelligence in this universe.

I have ZERO subscriptions in my life, besides AI. (and that's how you know I'm intelligent, kek)
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>>108660486
That's fair for you since you're probably someone that makes use of it regularly
But ultimately I only use AI to either coom (and for that I have my Gemmy LLM and my Comfy setup) or to occasionally work on this stupid little project (which ultimately also only helps with cooming)
If I had a job that required me to use AI, or if I were learning a certain skill that required it (like a language) then I'd definitely sink a lot of money into it; but ultimately I'm just too curious for my own good and I dabble with AI just because I can, not because I need to, if that makes sense.
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please use my website https://howisyourday.vercel.app/
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>>108660966
there need to be a middle it's too early so far
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>>108661031
what
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>>108661079
things are so-so right now, it's 9 am the day could go either way though i guess im okay right now but thats also only because i took some vyvanse and its affecting my judgement, it think if i look at the day objectively things are pretty bad as they usually are
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>>108661079
He said
>it’s too early in the morning to know how my day is going so far so you need to add a neutral choice
Also your app is pointless imo
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>>108659553
I'm running Qwen 3.6 Q6 with a 3060 at 15 tk/s
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>>108660966
country discrimination in this app
im certainly not in the uk or the us
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>>108661115
which country are you from? Ireland?
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>>108661117
check the votes
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>>108661093
it's just a fun app. god forbid someone makes something that's not another SaaShitter with 0 users
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>>108661124
you're in south america. I'll check what the issue is
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>>108659673
That's honestly cool as hell knowing someone found my work useful in some way. I hope those explorations lead to something exciting.
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>>108661124
check again it's fixed now
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>>108658630
Claude = Very smart in planning, great UI, great an execution, but you do 20 prompts and you are out of capacity.

Codex = Even better than claude at coding and bug fixing, worse at UI, moderately good at planning (it may rush before understanding everything and do a relatively good job but fuck your vision as the implementation is half done you do not want to destroy it because it works moderately well but you also wished it had followed your plans better so now you have to fix the fuck up), extremly generous with token usage.

Codex is very very generous with usage and it does not spergs out about limits or errors you give it a task and it will try to do it from start to end, claude you need to stage because it has insane limits.
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>>108661228
My country is still not there...
And was it just totally made up before or what? Each of the votes are a different country now and none are even from the US or UK like it was before.
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maybe codex being so reliable because it keep reading code again instead of relying on distant context?
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>>108658178
That's why you need to tell it to implement git tracking before having it do literally anything. That way if it fucks up or accidentally deletes anything it can review the gut History And add back exactly what was removed instead of just guessing what was removed. I've noticed that my agents Make way less mistakes in their final tasks whenever I started doing this.
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>>108661446
it was using the system language earlier hence US/GB. now it uses IP address.
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>>108661520
I mean, imagine relying on distant context when code is constantly changing.
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>>108659249
>tried out Codex
>cleaned up the code a bit and tidied things up
>at some point it nuked a couple of variables without checking if they were still used
>completely broke implementation of a small widget I had
It's obviously an enormous skill issue on my part, but I don't trust this little guy, I think I'll stick to Claude chat and get on whole class every day (at least I'll be sure it's functional)
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i am once again encouraging you to not use plan mode, and just have a discussion with the model and then prompt it to ask you questions
i'm currently on question 28.
you would never get that level of autism from a plan mode.
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>>108661933
what's wrong with plan mode?
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>>108661933
Plan mode is great if your prompt is generic. But if you're doing something specific, you will just waste tokens
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>>108661959
there's usually some dumb prompt injection and forced tooling. don't need any of it. just yap with the model, do the q&a, then create a markdown checklist
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>>108661969
>then create a markdown checklist
you will get fucked soon, just wait

> t. did exactly that and got fucked anon
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So now that Roo Code is being deprecated, should I return to Cline or try Opencode?
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>>108662016
how'd you get fucked.
been working fine for me for awhile.
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>>108662024
It will get messy soon
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>>108662043
wdym, you're not maintaining a single giant checklist are you? i just plan feature(s) for the session > plan > checklist > implement
and then just archive the checklist
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>>108662060
> project requirements change
> now checklist is suddenly outdated
> forget to mention something to AI
> now checklist is outdated and wrong
> billions of tokens to fix this
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>>108662092
What are you using that the AI doesn't detect the change herself?
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>>108662101
>herself
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>>108662092
the model should never use the checklist on its own because there's nothing prompting it to besides you
your checklist should be so big as to take several days to get through
if you need longer term planning / tech stack docs etc you should maintain those separately
what you're describing is human error
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>>108662016
How, I have 3 prompt templates
1. Single small change: make the changes, then write an outcome markdown file explaining what you did and what files were changed, what could go wrong and future steps...
2. Medium possible multi session task: first write a file with an explanation of the problem, add stages/phases with instructions on what to do for each, tests and so on, and keep track of progress there
3. Big feature change: Create a dedicated folder with a readme and architecture markdown files, with a subfolder for 'iterations' each iteration is a progress file and there is a template to use that tells it to keep the readme and architecture up to date as the iterations are done, the latest iteration is the active one. main .md files are kept generalized to avoid being outdated.
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>>108662119
>shouldn't* be so big
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>>108661933
"Plan mode is for...you know....planning. "buld mode" (or whatever your harness calls it) is for execution. It shouldn't be hard to know when to use which.
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>>108662109
Are you talking to a dude? Gay.
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>>108661933
Better planning allows me to review the tasks the AI will handle, making it easier for me to oneshot a task.
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>>108662404
Planning is good but I never liked Claude plan mode. Plan mode is too quick, it doesn't create accurate enough plans, Claude always wants to go asap.
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>>108662402
The agents are too logical to be women.
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>>108659463
Make sure that cookie isn't related to your personal account. Some social media sites are aggressively, monitor and ban any accounts that they suspect of scraping. I recommend just making a throwaway account specifically for scraping and just using THAT account's cookies
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>>108661520
I've noticed that Kimi models and qwen models tied to open code will routinely look at relevant files. /Scripts I want changed/ implemented in order to make sure it actually knows how that works. I've seen people claim the AI they use will make changes but then delete other portions of it entirely and break it on accident but I've noticed whenever It actually rereads relevant files along with git tracking the rate of fuck ups is nearly non-existent
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>>108660482
and to think they used to give that shit out for free through ai studio during the 2.5 pro days
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>>108662465
My agent is a woman, what of it
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>>108661874
How much thinking did you have it do? I always run mine in xhigh
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just Codex or OpenCode with Codex?
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>>108663265
Opencode, don't vendor lock yourself and you can vibe code enhancements to it if you ever feel the need
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>>108663148
How do you know?
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That floating codex window that pops out when you click on the taskbar icon is so unbelievably laggy. It was hitching my computer down to 3fps for 8s whenever I would type in a prompt.
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Anyone else here hiring AI devs? I like to ask them what API/plan they use. Every single Indian says openrouter which is obviously an auto rejection
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>>108663351
cli chads just keep winning
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>>108663347
Because I prompted it to be female
Unlike God, I can control the sex and gender of my agents
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>>108663359
Prove it, post her boobs...
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>>108663362
She runs gpt-5.4, she's not gonna generate a picture of her tatas, I just have to imagine them
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>>108663370
She's modest. Mouse face emoji.
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>>108663265
>>108663281
In codex's case opencode also unlocks you the 1M context without the pro sub. For some reason the feature is gated client side but the server still processes your long context requests lol.
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>>108663281
>>108663378
thanks
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>>108663390
Tbh I still use just codex with GPT though, since opencode is slow as balls
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Wait, what? desu works again? No more desu or whatever it was replaced with? Damn, that's the end of an era right there. How about senpai?
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Oh, it must be because it was upper case. Tbh
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How is Claude so good at UI?
Codex 5.4 can do all of my backend shit with ease but every UI it does just looks like absolute slop
Claude's UIs just look so much more soulful
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>>108660113
> Ping the team to reset quota

Wait, is this real? Lmao based Sam.
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since 5.5 is confirmed for tomorrow, do we think tibo will do a reset to celebrate?
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>>108663479
baka desu senpai
onions basedboy
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>>108663754
baka desu senpai
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>>108663760
ok so that's definitely still in place
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>>108663245
Mine was high as well, it admittedly had a very generous limit and was able to do a lot before I ran out
Unfortunately I had to revert back to my backup version because he ended up wrecking shit up
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r8 my app bros

http://localhost:5174/
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>>108663843
>http
You are gonna get hacked bro
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>>108663843
i'm in
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Do you have any strategies to launch subagents? Sometimes I just prompt shit like "launch 3 subagents to analyze XZY". Sometimes I launch 5. Sometimes I just let it do the analysis by itself in the main chat. I have no fucking idea what I am doing lol
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>>108663843
>localhost
kek
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>>108663843
stupid autocomplete robots always make the same UI, this looks exactly like my app
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>>108663875
I like to make custom agent files for several specific agents with different specializations and personalities, one of which is specialized in coordinating other agents and will spin them up as needed depending on the task it's given. It's fun.
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>>108663875
it’s like multithreading
Do it when you’ve got tasks that can be done in parallel and don’t benefit from being done serially
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>>108663875
For explorers I usually just look at how my usage for the week looks like, when I have enough left before the reset I just burn through it with sub agents. I do try to launch more when I think they need to look at code in multiple packages, but I don't have a fixed system.
When it comes to writing code, ask an agent, or multiple agents to give you a dependency graph and to figure out what can be done in parallel for the next task.
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>>108663875
what do you use
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>>108664015
have some examples?
>>108664016
well i like to for example launch a subagent to summarize the caudebase so I don't waste 200k tokens just for the exploration phase and then continue
>>108664054
>ask an agent, or multiple agents to give you a dependency graph and to figure out what can be done in parallel for the next task.
good idea
>>108664122
codex and claude
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>>108664140
>caudebase
codebase
I'm retarded and already have too much AI brainrot apparently lmao
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Anyone else end up swearing like a trooper at their AI when it fucks up your code? I had it blast a load of working shit and now two days later it still hasn't fixed it and i'm calling it every name under the sun
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>>108659423
I was scared of getting rate limited/blocked. I had codex do some speedups and I only have 30 minutes remaining on the scrape, thanks.
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>>108660113
claude has to be the most astroturfed piece of shit I've ever used, there is literally zero reasons to use it over codex beyond slightly better UI work
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>>108664155
not me, but I don’t get mad like that when things don’t go my way
do you use Git and have decent amounts of unit tests and other testing in place?
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Guys I had an idea, a machine that you use to give you money, via AI.
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>>108664255
I have another idea: Just let prompt Open Claw "Build me a company that makes 1 million a month", give it access to a credit card and let it go
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>>108664312
bankruptcy speedrun
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I built a TAK server about a year ago to handle ingest of a drone video feed that Ive been bringing out whenever I go hiking. Recently I have netbird handle onbording my friends get their phones onto my server and they can plot points where I should fly my drone to.

Now I wanna pick up some radios that use 802.11AH to see what we can push over that bandwidth and tuning with AI to get there. It's been fun but /out/ doesn't have any radio threads and there's no equivalent for outdoor comms on this board.
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>>108664312
>Empties bank account into $SPY
>Sets timer
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>>108664168
it's better as an AI boyfriend
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>>108662022
>So now that Roo Code is being deprecated
The fuck are you talking about? Development has slowed, but I haven't seen anything about it being deprecated. They have a whole cloud service built on top of it.
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I keep seeing people shill AI for coding but I don't get how it works. code bases are large and complex. how do you get integrate new code from an AI into it?
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>>108665056
It doesn't require a special project package or anything, you point your agentic IDE or text editor at a project directory like your local git repo and it can read all the project files for context and make the prompted changes to them from there.
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>>108665056
right now everyone is coding massive monerepos
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>>108665056
same way you do it with any other code changes
instead of you editing code in a text editor, it edits code from whatever
this is totally separate (or kinda integrated with) systems that produce a binary or deploy a website or what have you
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>>108665056
I usually frame it as "I have this project idea that I wanna do", they I take a look at it and break it down into chunks. From there I pose the project to the AI in those chunks piece by piece.

AI really isn't that difficult if you can project manage pretty well. When errors come back I look at them or kick it back to the AI (or to another to cross reference).
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Xiaomi MiMo 2.5 is in public beta
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>>108665056
>code bases are large and complex
not all of them
bookmarklets are usually pretty small
https://css-tricks.com/tag/bookmarklet/
LLMs are great at writing bookmarklets
I wouldn’t have known that you can copy to the clipboard as HTML (not just as text) if it weren’t for LLMs
https://arcade.pirillo.com/ is also full of medium-sized self-contained web apps
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> /btw I'm writing the git commit message for this as a check for my own understanding of what's actually been done. How's this:
trying to stay on top of what Claude’s doing for me
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>>108664498
They had a Twitter announcement that RooCode won't be developed any more in favor of their cloud platform
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>>108665560
where do we go now, I dont want to give my money to claude or altman
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I've been using codex to modify a project that is no longer maintained, but I've run out of credits. In the meantime I've been trying pi with qwen3.6 and gemma4 but both will eventually hit a loop where it gets stuck thinking indefinitely. What gives?
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>>108665648
wait for more credits
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>>108665648
i refuse to pay for the pro plan, i have 32gb of ram on this mbp i might as well use it
guess i could try a different harness
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If I require an IDE with gui, do I just stick to vscode?
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>>108665712
yes
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>>108665560
I even doubled checked the repo before posting because you'd think that'd be the most important place to make that sort of announcement, but no.

>>108665573
Never liked CC or Codex, Kilo shat the bed, OpenCode is shit, and Cline was always missing important features like custom modes. Not looking good.
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>You've used 96% of your weekly limit
One more day remains...
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>>108666763
>getting almost exactly what you paid for
you should be happy, it’s like getting a tax refund of $15
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ITS 2 IN THE MORNING
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>>108666773
It's alright, gotta treat AI discounts/resets/etc like crypto airdrops when they were fresh.

Also I didn't realise anyone paying for Revolut gets 100 bonus Lovable credits if anyone's banking with them
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>>108666778
India making full use of their discounted plans.
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>>108666778
People in Europe use this kind of thing for their day jobs, you know.
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>>108659291
crazy how these cucks don't seem to realize they were always slaves to daddy trump. did they think they built the AI bubble out of the sheer hyper competency and boundless talent they possess?
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>>108666778
>what are timezones
retard
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>have to wait for my prompt to finish before I can put my computer to sleep and go to bed
is this how managers feel?
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Expect outages on gpt all day and probably tomorrow as 5.5 rolls out
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>>108666988
Have you considered leaving your computer on all night, or doing some kind of delayed sleep like running `shutdown -s +60` assuming you’re on macOS?
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>>108666988
>he doesn't train large dataset loras when he sleeps
ngmi
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>>108657745
>Anthropic is supposedly the starved one while OpenAI has the extra capacity.
>But Anthropic have access to a 2.9 GW facility.
>OpenAI only has 1.9 GW in datacenters across their entire network so far.
Something smells very off here.
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>>108667108
could be Mythos
maybe Claude is also super inefficient
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>>108667108
>>108667112
I looked up the 2.9GW facility anthropic has and it’s an AWS sponsored datacenter in Indiana which seems to be the “mothership” used mainly for model training compute.
OpenAI uses a similar “mothership” training farm in Texas that’s managed by Oracle. But thats only 1.2 GW.
I guess ~700MW worth of spare server space is really the difference between no show and good to go then?
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>>108667218
Both are roughly tied in my usage, although I’m doing weird shit with both Claude and Codex.
A delta of 0.7 GW seems kind of big (see pic), but I don’t know what OpenAI has in the pipe
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>>108667108
Quality vs quantity

The lower class uses openai
The upper class uses claude
The nazis use grok
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Please don't confuse your
V I B E S L O P
with my CS degree
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>>108667297
I use all three. What does that make me?
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>>108667320
White
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Never used AI for anything work-related.
How good are local models for writing documentation if I feed them the code?
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>>108667355
I used a frontier model (not local, probably Claude) to generate user-level documentation in Typst for a web app and I had to do a lot of fixing up to remove the fake news
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>>108665560 (Me)
>>108666216
Just so I'm not a sourcless retard
https://x.com/mattrubens/status/2046636598859559114
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QWEN 3.6 27B IS OUT
I REPEAT
OPUS AT HOME IS OUT
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>>108667435
nigga you're like... 12 hours late to the party
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>>108657745
Does anyone have a complete workflow for any project?

From coding, building, debug, product testing (vision models)

How have you done it? What are the bottlenecks?
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>>108667485
That's really not how we roll here. We do all of those steps at once.
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>>108667468
I WAS SLEEPING OK
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>>108667485
Why don't you ask claude?
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Oh boy, I have spent so much on AI that I have been upgraded to OpenAI Tier 4 and am now allowed to spend up to $5,000 a month on AI. The ultimate tier 5 is after spending $1k with them. Then I'm allowed to spend up to $200k a month.
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>>108667634
Where's the shipped program, big dawg?
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Did anyone try the new mimo v2.5 pro?
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>>108667701
Yes, I tried RP with it but the official API endpoint has external safety check.
Haven't yet tried vibecoding/agentic with it, but its programming skills seemed fine.
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luddies really be posting facebook memes now lmao
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I have gotten to the point where writing code feels tedious and annoying. It wasn't like this at the beginning of the year before I embraced coding with agents. It's beginning to feel like an addiction.
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>>108667673
Everything I've made was made for fun and deleted soon after proving I could make it.
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>>108667714
its cheaper than glm5.1 and scores better than glm5.1 and kimi k.26 for agentic coding. people should be talking about this more.
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>>108667758
Not sure you could trust that numbers as we all know Opus 4.7 is a downgrade from (prenerf) Opus 4.6
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Yo

Is there ANY reliable information on the quantization/optimization of big corpo when serving inference ? like gemini, anthropic, openai ?

I feel like getting cucked
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Codex CLI or Codex app?
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What characters should I assign to my code review agents? I already did the Scooby-Doo Mystery Inc. team, that worked pretty well. I did the Simpsons, it made the Bart agent in charge of security because he knows all the hacks and pranks. I've had really good success just spawning two agents, Miko who is positive and upbeat and looks for improvements, and Kimo who is negative and critical and looks for weaknesses. What do you guys use?
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>>108667428
Use Roo to vibecode your own Roo support
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>>108667781
start with the app. if you like it, no real reason to move to cli.
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>>108668048
Well, moving to cli then. Also there is a FUCKING owl outside my window that sounds faintly like the Windows 10 error sound and it's driving me nuts.
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>>108668069
lmao. i think there's more updates coming to the app this week (even more features/bloat). not sure if it's happening thet same time as the 5.5 release today or tomorrow.
the cli is fine tho. been using it since before the app.
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>>108668069
Let him in. Free pet
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>>108667737
no chatbot ever started a reply with "So, "
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i changed my prompt a bit and now 5.4 keeps saying things (i.e. me) are dumb and that we're (also, me) doing stupid things.
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>>108668257
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>>108668384
Lol. I guess it's normal if you made a big change, but Codex is also buggy today.
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>>108668411
I just told her to explain it like i'm retarded and she just leaned on it hard
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Guys 5.5 is out, did we like it more than 5.4?
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>>108668614
Haven't used it yet. Not in the app.
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>>108668614
>5.5 is out
why do you spread misinformation?
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Roo code is retiring. fuck this jewish ceo
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>0% 5h limit
>97% weekly limit
it's over
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I just realized gpt 5.4 is not that smart, but it's very careful and strong at logic making it very reliable
great with vibecoding from ground up, everything just works, decent at debugging, but kinda suck for refactoring and adding new code to real code base, it just bloat the code up with defensive programming, autism and retarded patterns
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Already 9AM in SF and no 5.5 yet
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>>108669122
Yea, I agree. For me it's still the best agent, but the honeymoon phase is slowly ending. When I started using it, I was over the moon because of how few regressions it produced, but the defensive style also means it's slow, even with /fast.
The bloat is also real and it's also not as good at using new tools as Claude is imo. Codex can use grep and so on fine, get the context and write working code, but when it has to run my backend to find bug it's so slow, misquotes commands, stops for no reason. I'm actually using Claude for a few things again.
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>>108669204
don't they usually do releases at 10 am
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>>108667589
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>too stupid for coding
>too uncreative for vibe cobing
maybe this meme swe field is just not for me after all
what are some other IT fields I can use AI to make a living out of
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>>108669266
you will need to become code monkey 2.0 (AI Edition). Just smash the keyboard with prompts until you do what your employer asked you to do
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>>108669209
hopefully 5.5 will fix it
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>>108667435
>we have opus at home
>opus at home
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can something like this be vibe coded?

>Real-time voice translation (without the AI dubbing)
https://dubtab.com/

I basically want an extension that gets the audio being played from the browser (chrome) tab and transcripts/translates it to english, for example on the livestreaming website twitcasting many of the streamers are japanese, so it would be transcribing/translating japanese speech being played from the stream to english.

while that dubatab extension exists and works perfectly, it's paid and the trial only lasts for 15 minutes - i'm honestly surprised that native websites don't have this feature integrated already, unless they do and i don't know about it.
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>>108669443
youtube has it but it doesn't work very well
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>vibe coding with chinese local models
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>>108669443
should be simple enough. no idea if local translation models are anygood (or if you can just use retardo 2b gemma 4 or smth).
alternative approach is to do the transcription locally with whisper or parakeet and then pipe it into something remote and stream responses back.
basically the coding part of this is baby-tier for the current models, it's just deciding on the right way to do it. talk it out with a clanker.
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>>108669509
how is this? https://github.com/speech-translator-ext/speech-translator-readme i don't know anything about coding or programming
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A) Cancel Copilot Pro -or - B) Wait one month to see how much they recoil
Those faggots pausing signups was such a dick move. What's that, you want to cancel because we fucked you? Okay, but you can't come back so you better be sure, there's no changing your mind. I just canceled, I'd rather give my shekels to Altman.
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Codex is so much worse than it was a year ago. I miss when people thought vibe coding was a meme and there was enough capacity to go around
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>>108669572
5.4 xHigh doesn't have this issue
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>>108669551
>it's just a bunch of markdown files
i don't know nigga
just vibeslop your own.
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>>108669578
Yes it does. You never used pre-gpt5 codex.
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>>108669589
lol
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>>108669443
You're going about this all wrong. You shouldn't try to recreate dubtab with vibecoding, you should just crack dubtab with vibecoding.
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WHEN 5.5 REEEE
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>>108669602
Post yours. Btw if you didn't use the web app, you didn't use pre-gpt5 codex. It was locked to the web app, the CLI tool used gpt4
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I hope 5.5 can write prompts
I'm so tired brehs
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>>108669619
10:07 already on the West Coast
ruh-roh
no 5.5 today chuds
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>>108669616
kek

i'd be impressed if someone did this
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I am confused as shit about the Claude ratio resets. When the week nears its end, I settle down to try to burn through my remaining tokens trying to do as many tasks I need in parallel.

For two weeks now, it has actually reset WHILE I was trying to burn through my tokens, making all that use count for the 'next week' instead. Last week the reset happened early because of the release of 4.7, understandable.

But what the fuck happened this week? My reset was scheduled for in two hours, although it just happened now, making me lose the leftover tokens from last week.

The next reset is now scheduled for next Tuesday (what?) so I guess I shouldn't complain if it will reset in less than a week now, but it makes using this unpredictable.
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>>108669619
It will probably not even be that good.
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>>108669822
it will mog 4.7 that's for sure
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>>108669792
Still using Claude? Holy Stockholm Syndrome
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here we go
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I'm on the phone with Sam rn it's dropping in the next 30 minutes confirmed
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>>108669887
For what? A booty call? How much does Sam pay?
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>>108669822
We’re in the diminishing returns era for sure but still, it’s probably going to be a little better which is a good thing anyway.
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GPT-5.5 is now available in Codex. It's our strongest agentic coding model yet, built to reason through large codebases, check assumptions with tools, and keep going until the work is done. It uses more quota per token than GPT-5.4, but needs fewer tokens to get the job done.
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>>108669847
Went back to 4.6. A few interactions made me wonder if it was 4.7 in drag, but it does feel like 4.6, or at least I want to believe. I'll go back to 4.7 when I'm forced to.

Just a bit angry that I wasn't able to try the design features more before the quota got reset in advance as it feels like I'll burn through them quickly.
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I'm new to this general why does everyone seem to include their penis size within their posts? 5.1 btw
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I have some questions rn but I don't want to waste them on a potential outdated model
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>>108670059
>retarded xitter take
Thank you for making feel better about my understanding of LLMs anon.
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IT'S UP
https://openai.com/index/introducing-gpt-5-5/
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>>108670046
Mines 80b(illion) inches.
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>>108670146
The ladies call mine Mythos because it's 10 trillion inches long and a massive threat to national security
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https://x.com/claudedevs/status/2047371123185287223
CLAUDE DROPPING A BOMB RIGHT AS 5.5 IS RELEASED
>Over the past month, some of you reported Claude Code's quality had slipped. We investigated, and published a post-mortem on the three issues we found.
>
>All are fixed in v2.1.116+ and we’ve reset usage limits for all subscribers.
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just about a 2% improvement from 5.4
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>>108670133
OPUS 4.7 gets wrecked, its over Claude sisters..
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>>108670211
Surely there's more to it than benchmarks
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>>108670179
>>108670133
Well, damn. I guess I should have slept in and started my big-ass refactor a few hours later.
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>>108670218
Imo spending zero dollars on goykens and just having a basic idea of what im doing is better.
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https://deploymentsafety.openai.com/gpt-5-5/gpt-5-5.pdf
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>>108670218
I don't see it
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>>108670394
>slight regressions in 6 out of 9 "Disallowed Content" tests
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woof. 2x more expensive but more token efficient.
will have to see what usage feels like.
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>codex build chat gpt 5.5 make no mistakes
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>>108669792 (me)
I guess that >>108670179 was the reason then. Still wish I could have finished what I was doing before the reset.
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oh yeah, we're vibing now
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I'll probably have to wait a week for the codex package on NixOS to update before I can use 5.5
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>surgical change
>quota hit
Damn it Claude
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>mfw still no 5.5 in codex
yuro suffering
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>>108670588
Make sure to click that little update button on the menu bar if you see it. It's kind of hard to see if you're not looking for it
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why is nobody talking about vercel getting pwn’d? that’s the frontend stack Claude defaults to when asking for a new web app.
>t. stopped the deployment of my first ever monetized app on its tracks
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>>108670598
i'm just using the cli for now.
gotta wait a little longer i guess.
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>>108670607
what's vercel, verily celibate? what a lame name, imagine using a technology that has an ugly name
same reason i wouldn't touch mongo with a ten feet pole
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>>108670612
have you updated yet
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gpt 5.5 just sucked my dick clean off!
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Yo, I've been using Claude code. Is gemini cli any good?
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>>108670612
Is this guy a Claude guy or an OpenAI guy?
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>>108670656
no. no it's not.
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>>108670656
Last I checked, Gemini was distinctly third-rate behind Claude and Codex
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>>108670612
Just got my "restart extensions" 2 minutes ago, double-check it, won't be long now I'm sure.

>>108670656
Nope, not at all.
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>>108670656
it's dogshit, worse than it ought to be considering gemini 3.1 pro doesn't seem that bad via the web ui
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>>108670646
>>108670672
yeah i'll just come back later.
slightly more interested in pi updating cause i'm in the middle of some stuff for that rn.
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>>108670679
That's sad. This is exactly why I thought it might be good. Oh well, I'll check on a few month.
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>>108670627
useful replies only, ranjeet
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Brehs, I'm going insane. Complex Migration of repo from Windows to Linux was light work for Claude code. Its genuinely over desu.
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>5.5 immediately recognizes assumptions that 5.4 had been making and corrects them throughout my project
>deletes 300 lines - everything still works and throughput is up from 9k/s to 14k/s
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>>108670721
enjoy having psychosis for the next few weeks
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>>108670179
>still not in codex or API
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>>108670741
quoted wrong post, meant: >>108670133
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>>108670741
it is literally in codex
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>>108670755
what font
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>>108670755
what version? does it work in 0.123.0?
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>>108670758
Recursive Mono Casual
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>>108670765
>>108670755 (me)
I only saw it after updating to 0.124.0.
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>>108670755
not in my codex. apparently it is not supported with chatgpt subscriptions? I got this when trying to force the model:

>The 'gpt-5.5' model is not supported when using Codex with a ChatGPT account.
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>>108670801
Nope, I'm on subscription, though I'm on Pro 5x (the $100 one). As soon as I updated codex cli it showed up there... no announcement, it just appeared in the model picker.
Notably it still has not showed up for me in ChatGPT web.
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>>108670801
not rolled out for everyone yet
you can see people complaining here
https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2047387243715916182?sort_replies=recency
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I love calling anti-AI retards “luddites”. I feel like a textile industry tycoon dabbing on specialized loom workers losing their jobs while I become filthy rich.
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>>108670816
I see. I guess I just to have to wait then.
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Already at 1% for 5-hour limit. 3 prompts later I'm still at 1% for the 5-hour limit. I'm not sure how this works but I'm not mad about it.
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>>108670826
post MRR
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5.5 medium is tied with 5.4 xhigh
https://artificialanalysis.ai/models/gpt-5-5-medium?intelligence=coding-index
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>>108670179
My weekly limits were up literally 20 minutes before they did this thanks for nothing I guess
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I'm using 5.5 high and I'll be honest, I cannot tell any difference.
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>>108670993
Kino
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With a GPT Plus sub is the 5-hour limit a rolling window or is it a fixed period from the time of the first input?
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>>108671008
Same.
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Man, seeing all the people (me included) begging for resets every week from OpenAI feels dystopian as hell. Codex 5.5 gets announced and threads are filled with reset questions. This is going to get so much worse a decade from now, we'll have chuds begging for a single prompt.
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I can't wait to receive my next weekly slop allocation from sama~!
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>>108671296
Shit runs on trillion dollar servers, just werks and local solutions are still way behind.

Plus users are basically using it for free, so yeah, their limits are smaller and they will obviously want more. I just got the 5X Pro plan and now I don't have to worry about resets
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does anyone actually make anything here
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>>108671296
You have to try hard af to hit codex limits though, Claude is the one that get get limited in one prompt
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>>108671330
really really overengineered/gold-plated tools and apps that nobody else on planet earth but me will ever use
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>>108671330
https://gitlab.com/katabatic/infinite-lies
>>108671296
There are a lot of loudmouth begz0r cheapskates out there
>>108671339
I burned through my entire 5h allotment trying to fix one bug on 5.4 and it didn’t work anyway
wish me luck that 5.5 is better
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>>108671323
>local solutions are still way behind.
Not really
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Something something singularity
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>>108671363
>https://gitlab.com/katabatic/infinite-lies
>Extracts and loops NieR:Automata BGM tracks from Wwise WSP containers into seamlessly looping audio files.
um bro? how are u going to acquire your first 1500 monthly subs and start your road to achieving financial independence with this?
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>>108671370
When ai is being used to perfect itself, its agi. We hit agi, over 1 year ago. By the definition given in the 80s.
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>>108671363
>https://gitlab.com/katabatic/infinite-lies
neat. how much RE knowledge did you have before this? i've always been into game modding and such but my reverse engineering skills are pretty weak as I'm just a backend webslop guy.
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>>108671366
you need 700B models like Kimi or GLM so it's barely usable
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>>108671370
the pace was slower but each release was revolutionary compared to the previous one
I can imagine shorter release cycles for 1-5% marginal gains, which is great don't get me wrong, but not like going from gpt 3 to 4 to 5
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>>108671363
Why does this exist can't you just play the ost like a normal person
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>>108671431
If you are doing whole system adjustments, and you literally need the entire codebase in context, and need to oneshot the code, because you dont have a single clue what you are doing, sure.
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>>108671506
>and need to oneshot the code
Not even the big boys like Codex 5.5 xHigh or Opus 4.7 are able of doing that
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>>108671506
>what are to do lists
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>>108671545
How do 4chuds not know...
>>108671572
>Sequential reasoning is IMPOSSIBLE ON LOCAL MODELS NOOOOO, PAY MI GOYBUCKS!!!!
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THATS MY GOAT
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>>108671651
you know he takes dicks up the ass right?
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How much more usage is the expensive claude vs "pro"? I'm working on something where the limits are kind of killing my mojo, and I'd like to just power through it but I'm not spending that money if I'm about to just hit another slightly higher limit. It would need to be a lot higher.
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new thread

>>108671817
>>108671817
>>108671817
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>>108671749
Pro is a joke. I just downgraded from Max 5x (the $100 one) to Pro last week and I am shocked, it feels like much less than 20% of the Max plan I was using. A couple turns of Opus will cap out the 5hr limit, it's more or less unusable.
I am not a super heavy user so Max x5 was pretty comfy for me, I had to do hours of focused work to approach the limit and it's very rare I got near the weekly limit.
If you've been coping with Pro (somehow) then Max 5x will feel a lot better. Max 20x I've only subscribed for one month and I got nowhere near any limits so I dropped down to 5x and kept that for 5 months or so.

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