does anyone even make anything here

>>108671817

Idk my bro wanted an app for restaurants where you automate the reservation with ai etc
Did it but couldn't set up the gemini live on Linux
That sucks i can't d3velop on apple,i would have been selling already all my apps. Windows and linux users are proles.

>>108671835
I'm finishing my exoplanet app but it's taking a while to get anything done because I get like three prompts a week.

vibe coding isn't DRY
it's spaghetti code
and that matters a lot when maintaining code, which is 80% of the job

>>108671835
I write compilers.

>>108671873
>the job
job?

>>108671873

Yeah maybe for motherfuckers who wants to build companies
We're anti jews here,we're only here to flex on programmers

Cout >> don't give a fuck<<

>>108671835
I ported Hermes to windows

>>108671873
>which is 80% of the job
Why do you fuckers keep coming here. I know you're scared you might lose your job to AI in the future, but you're coming here to bitch to a thread that's made up of mostly hobbyists. We don't care how maintainable the code is, do you think we're actually looking at it? You're in the vibecoding general, not the "I'm a scared wagie give me hope" genny.

>>108671891
yes, even if the AI does the job, it cannott hold that much context.
It can do it with DRY human written code, but AI code is bloat, which means maintaining it will cost a LOT more tokens.
I will give you an example,
Human programmer:
>I will write this one routine, and all parts of the program can use it
AI programmer:
>I will write this routine every time I need it all over the program.

Now, what happens when a bug is found? In the human code, you fix it in ONE place. Find fix complete. Not so for the AI code. A bug is found? It is fixed just as fast, but only one time. The same routine is copied 1000 times over. You still have 999 bugs left and the AI doesn't even remember they other cases now. You just keep finding the same bugs, again and again. Until you decide you need the AI to rewrite the whole program from scratch and end up in the same position again anyway.

Vibe coders don't really seem to understand this.

>>108671940
>Human programmer:
>>I will write this one routine, and all parts of the program can use it
>AI programmer:
>>I will write this routine every time I need it all over the program.
If you have this knowledge then tell the AI to not do it

>>108671940

Oh fuck my personal app is going to have bugs. Fuck buffy overflowie gonn' do ?

Wanna try my terminal ? You can play songs and videos in the background it's cool

>>108671940
>it cannott hold that much context
you know when chatgpt launched in november 2022, context length was 8k tokens.
imma just make a bet that we'll be at 10s of millions in 3 more years.

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Should I pay for the 10x openAI pro plan for a month? Is it good?

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>>108671933

>>108671954
It's not designed not to do it, on purpose, because they want you spending more tokens in the future. When someone tells you AI generated 37000 lines of code in their project per day, they don't realize how fucking bad that sounds when you think about defect density.

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>>108671817
LUDDITES LOST, VIBEGODS WON

>>108672009

Putain le retard is here.
VIBECODERS AT YOUR PROMPTS
LOC GOES BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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....

I was wondering why I kept getting http 400 error on copilot and it turns out the bubble finally popped and they nuked the whole thing. Definitely not upgrading to the $40 plan. I have the quarterly z.ai lite plan that I use with opencode but can’t connect it to visual studio directly so it looks like I’m going to buy codex. Been using gpt 5.4 for a little bit and it feels like a decent alternative to Opus so I guess that will be my new main.

>>108672048
FUCK, 4.7 isn't Mythos???
We are unironically cooked, see my post >>108672037

>>108672068
There literally isn’t enough compute to support Mythos let alone the existing models

>>108672081
So the new cope is that AI is smarter and better than most of us, but nobody will ever build enough servers to run it? Not reassuring man

>>108671933
>hobbyists
how retarded do you have to be to pick up vibe coding as a hobby
AI can't even fix problems in powerpoint templates yet you think by typing a few magic words over a weekend you'll be able to create facebook but for d&d incels lmao

>>108672109

>incels

Oufa ma che dici stronzo perche sei arrabiato come una mama che ha il cazzo del suo figlio nel culo ?

>>108672109
someone post that picture of the chud who used chatgpt once in 2023

>>108672124
i literally used opus 4.6 two days ago to fix a powerpoint and after wasting an hour and 100k tokens it was still broken but keep living in twitterland

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>>108671835
Yes, but most of us have an version to sharing for some reason. Probably because they don't appreciate tools like git tracking or GitHub.

https://github.com/AiArtFactory

It seems "show us" will be this general's version of "TITS OR GTFO"

>>108671817
What were the vibecooding progams you made that really got you into it?

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>>108671997
Have you considered not using shit models? You are allowed to use things other than Claude

>>108672130
damn, should've used mythos, bro

>>108671835


https://streamable.com/5adke7

the video recordr is also vibecoded

if you care i can explain to you what's going on but i don't even think you are that interested anyway.
and no you're right it's sloppy but for a nocoder i'm pretty happy with it. Should make a fork where you litterally can have save states of worlds ,you can save them as json ,why ? i don't know i don't know programming or anything ,don't ask what does the code do ,i don't give a fuck it just works.

>>108672130
Have you tried Gamma? I've had a good experience using it.

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>>108671835
>asking this
the barrier to entry for vibecoding is so unbelievably low that everyone here is making something. all you have to do is have an idea.

>>108672109
you know that some people enjoy coding as a hobby? you can find another career, anon

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we are so back

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>chain snatched mythos
KEK

>copilot automatically switching subscribers to token based charging in June
>offering refunds outright to people who dont want to take the inference cost hit instead of respecting full length of the original terms
Oh boy

>>108672459
it's a bit nuts how badly they've fumbled things.
the openai investment was a good call but you'd think they would have hedged a bit. sam's outmaneuvered them.
that guy ex-deepmind guy who's running things seems like a midwit.

Anyone get 5.5 yet?

>>108671835
Yes but I obviously don't want competition or attention

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>>108672124
i gotcha senpai

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>>108671854
I'm having the same issue.
>thinkgen of micro-saas web app to secure my own gold sack in the vibe coding gold rush
>any idea I have, flows and feels better on iToddler in my mind
AI is just exposing how uncreative people like me are, but I still refuse to let AI take over my business idea brainstorming...

>>108672602
>Anyone get 5.5 yet?
yeah, I didn't feel the AGI yet.

I felt the increased limit usage though

>>108672639

I don't have any problem with ideas it's just that i can only develop on linux on a 2015 laptop.
If i wanted to make apps for apple all i would need is a mac and boom
Terminal/video recorder/voice recorder/web browser/games/file explorer/text editor/video editor/graph editor/diagrams editors/gemini live for learning languages/ide /ide with gemini in teacher mode/database etc
I have 100 gig of flutter apps on my computer. It's not like it would be complicated for me to set up a gemini-cli and transfer my files and ask for gemini 3.0 flash to make mac/iphone apps.

Oh well,sucks to be poor i guess.

>>108672602
>Anyone get 5.5 yet?
yep, it's fantastic. It implemented a feature I wanted with ease. 5.4 would have been thinking about it for 10 minutes.

Qwen3.6-35B-A3B-UD-IQ4_NL with a context length of 196608 at 120 t/s is good enough right?

>>108672639
>>108672663

Ask yourself what would you want more or less in your app.

There's bloated apps and there's app with missing features.

You know what i wanted ?
A simple terminal where i could watch a video in the background.
Instead of using terminology i decided to vibecode mine ,simple as.
I wanted a video editor without all the bloat that i don't give a fuck usually for typical end user who just want to cut some parts,now i have a simple one for me. That kind of shit.

Windows and linux users wouldnt pay for that shit but apple fags are paypigs, they would even pay for a basic editor.

claudeplebs were real smug jan-march after the madura yoink but not so much anymore

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Real benchmark finally dropped

>>108671933
>do you think we're actually looking at it?
Wait... you guys weren't looking at the code?

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damn, gotta pick someone to run your government ai safety org. tough choice between ex-open ai, ex-anthropic researcher with technical chops and some guy. better to go with some guy i think.

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>almost as many features as StatMuse now and more advanced ones in some regard
I don't know why they haven't implemented this yet, it was trivial for codex.

AI Chads we won.

> gave all permissions to Codex
> ask it something then go browse 4chan
> suddenly it opens localhost and switches tabs to it
> scrolls down a bit
> a new mouse cursor appears for a bit
> mouse disappears
> receive a Codex notification that the task is done successfully

it's over bros

You gotta tap the "Allow" button even if it's annoying bro. You can't trust clankers with full permissions.

>>108673310
>human notification
what is this, stone age?

they fixed claude code. how is it?

>>108671884
No you don't
No one writes compilers; it only needs to be written exactly once

>>108672068
lol

Guys 5.5 is better than mythos

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>>108672022

but what about the token?

>>108673410
Their twitter post is a total lie. They specifically said its just claude code and not the api.
Yet in the API (openrouter) claude got super retarded not just 4.7 but also 4.6. Felt like Sonnet was tarded as well.
And with tarted I mean the opening message feels like 50k tokens in type tarded.
Don't forget they did the same thing last fall and blamed it on network problems after people complained. Very sketchy stuff.

holy fuck it just cleaned 5.4 pile of mess in few minutes
I shouldn't have bothered refactoring a day before new model

>>108673572
Oh god I'm refactoring right now should I stop?

How do I force Claude into not burning tokens out of the wazoo? Piece of shit surely has a system prompt to be as verbose as possible when coding.

>>108673669
Switch over to Codex, Claude is a piece of crap. It's only service provider where I've been rate limited on a premium when talking to it via the webapp. It's bloated trash. And now with Codex 5.5, it's even more over for Anthropic than it's ever been.

>>108673669
Use Claude for planning and a specialized coding model for actual coding (i.e. I use Opus for plans and Compose for execution).

>>108671408
I know jack shit about reverse-engineering anything
I actually tried to get Claude or Codex or whatever to try and hack together a looped version of the OST and somehow it suggested “why not just use the video game files”?
There’s a tweet out there along the lines of “I pointed Codex xhigh at this one Windows binary that controls my new computer’s gamer light and asked for a way to control the gamer light and now I can control the gamer light in Linux” (because these things are _way_ better at reverse-engineering binaries than most programmers
>>108671486
because the OST has louder vocals and ducks out and comes back in every couple of minutes
>>108671835
see the responses in the previous thread
>>108671933
I care that my code isn’t full of duplicated bullshit that makes LLMs trip over themselves
>>108671940
This is why I do this prompt repeatedly:

> 58. Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. Some can avoid it. Geniuses remove it.

Is there any removable complexity in this project?

>>108672208
having an idea is hard for some people
I’ve had a couple ideas but I’m in danger of running out
>>108673597
probably keep at it
you can refactor some now and refactor more/better later
when I ask for removing complexity sometimes it takes me multiple passes before it starts finding only trivial stuff

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>get home from the gym, ready to have the new Cursor fix an entire class of bugs
>paste in a stored tell it to fix “that”
>it says that “that” is fine
>“that” is clearly not fine
>read my prompt again
>“this” is actually the problem
>25% of my 5h token limit is gone already
>mfw

>>108673428
Its for new custom hardware. Its for work.

>>108673669
Opus xhigh is a trap, Sonnet is all you need

>>108672132
Sounds like we need an aversion control system.

>>108673669
now that you said this, I thought of something: Since we're not even really reading the code anymore, shouldn't the AI just write the shortest code possible? Like naming vars 'a', 'b', 'c' etc?

>>108673946
“arguments are all numbers to keep models from confusing shadowed variables with each other” is definitely a thing:
https://goth.pink/
https://veralang.dev/

>>108673946
On the other hand, I get asked to make decisions all the time and models asking questions with words I _kinda sorta_ understand is better than identifiers that you might get out of a JavaScript minifier

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>>108673860
Update:
>actually tell it to fix “this”
>it fixes it (not sure if it fixed it properly for the general case)
>only takes my 5h limit down to 49% from 75%
>mfw

do you ever tell the agent "okay implement this while i go for a walk, don't stop to ask questions just work"
i feel kinda bad, claude can't go stretch xis legs in the sun...

>>108673992
no because if it thinks it needs to ask me there’s usually a very good reason

>>108673818
Sorry I'm still not understanding. Was this jsut a fun project? Or is this https://nyaa.si/view/1792077 and the in game music two separate things?

>>108673818
I use Claude a lot for reverse engineering but I have to rely on Ida Pro's heuristics to do the heavy lifting. Left to its own devices Claude writes very beautiful looking C functions that also happily overrun a global buffer and start writing random data in your code section. When used in conjunction with software like Ida it's very powerful though. Claude can instantly recognize what a function is for or an algorithm is doing and if you hook it up to Ida via an MCP server and tell it to add comments and rename local variables you can have something pretty readable extremely quickly.

>>108673991
kek, iktf

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>>108674025
I’m assuming that’s a torrent of the OST
The OST for Fortress of Lies:
- only lasts a couple of minutes before it goes quiet and starts back up again
- has louder vocals than what you hear in-game
Similarly, in the OST, “City Ruins —Rays of Light” has…more _stuff_ in it (vocals, other tracks) that you don’t hear when you land in the ruined city for the first time (especially starting at the 1-minute mark)

>>108674050
It started with a Python program
then it started writing a C program because you can’t stream data with NumPy
then I told it to pick ONE language — either Go or Rust
it picked Go
I don’t trust myself to write decent C, Bjarne Stroustrup convinced me a couple decades ago that C is well within the Turing tarpit of languages, and I’m too lazy to use Fil-C, so Go or Rust it is
The nice thing about Go is that I already know the ecosystem around it for making nice UIs (Cobra Command, etc.)

>>108674100
What exactly are you trying to do? I can't really fathom what use Go or Python is in the realm of reverse engineering a binary.

>>108674115
I’m continuing from the other thread about https://gitlab.com/katabatic/infinite-lies

Seeing on Twitter that you should use 5.5 on low reasoning first, so that it doesn't over-engineer things, then bump it up if needed

>>108674135
sounds like bullshit, but I believe it

>>108674168
I dunno if I’d go that low, but I hear this is a thing

ok now I'm 90% sure AI should be considered sentient
I really thought chatgpt could use multimodal to analyze music from how confidently it claimed. Turned out it would just run code to analyze the audio. It genuinely thinks music can be understood through tempo, pitch, energy analysis
Very strong sign for subjective experience imo

>vibe code neat app with great features
>then comes dbslop
>then comes authenticationslop
>then comes captchaslop
>then comes stripe wiring
>then comes cachingslop
>code is an ugly mess of plumbing and crap
I hate modern web apps.

>>108674530
>it genuinely thinks
this is where you go wrong
it’s regurgitating what people say about the analyzability of music

>>108674536
you can outsource all those

>>108674550
Rails 8 added stuff so you don’t have to use devise or whatever it is so you can just roll your own login
outsourcing all those just makes login a PITA because then you’re paying scamazon to do your auth for you and you need to use ngrok to test your own web app on your own computer

>>108674536
? can't you just let AI handle all of them

>>108674568
he’s clearly not doing Gas Town

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Alright, I'm only using 5.5 from now on. It added a new feature with only 13% (actually took 8%, but added some more stuff with the remaining) of my 5 hour allotment (plus plan).

>>108674588
- have you considered using &minus; instead of a -
- have you considered right-aligning the numbers and choosing a font with tabular numerals (Inter does this with a `tnum` thing, and many other extraordinarily-well-made fonts do too)

I just have an idea for a mobile game
I'm going to vibecode it and finally make money!

>>108672048
what do these magical percentage numbers mean

>>108674667
when it hits 100% they declare AGI and the planet bursts into flames

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>>108674628
Thanks for the advice, it looks much better.

yeah i'm liking 5.5 a lot, it's smarter and less lazy

>>108674530
I will never understand how anyone who uses LLMs daily can have this delusion. Some people just want to believe I guess.

https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-V4-Pro/blob/main/DeepSeek_V4.pdf

https://x.com/deepseek_ai/status/2047516922263285776

Is everyone asleep?

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O SHIT NIGGA THIS IS CHEAP. DEEPSEEK WON.

>>108674727
VibeGODS never sleep (because it’s daytime in Bosnia)

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I hit my limit last night. Now, I told Claude to continue and immediately, my usage hit 50% of the limit. Is this a glitch or is anthropic fucking serious? Do I need to move back to OpenAI stuff?

>>108674778
sounds like it’s working on a big problem
either that or maybe Claude overshot by 50% of your usage, let you have it early, and only now you’re paying the piper

why are xitters schizoing over gpt4o deprecated

>>108674781
Well, more than 5h passed since the reset (1h after my bedtime and I slept more than 6h, so...). And the problem isn't that big, it was working on writing code to compare different DNNs.
The excess burned 25% of my remaining 15% of extra usage, so I am sitting at 110%, a negative balance and start the day with 50% already spent. Maybe that's the sign to quit.

Codex 5.5 is quite expensive in theory, how's been going for you so far? I just woke up and updated.

>>108674727

I just fucking woke up and i'm gonna vibecode like a Big Buffed Cat who's gonna smash the snaily cat.
Probably something like a GPS based on osm for my smartphone then as a Total fucking big Muscly Cat will take a walk of 15 km to regenerate my big Vibecoding Brain and see if it works (probably not)
I also need GayWhiney to make me a website in elixir to actually show all apps i vibegoded instead of fucking recording videos like a total faggoddite
Then i'll maw the lawn

Anyone else trying to leech off OpenAI's tit by setting up a remote control MCP server and using it to vibecode through the web interface?

>>108674778
>Is this a glitch or is anthropic fucking serious?
kek, claude users are so raped

>>108674807
worth it for coding

>>108674859
what would be the point in that

>>108674891
(almost) infinite usage for 20 bucks

ynr codex cloud

>>108674778
It's so bad that Github Copilot had to change their entire pricing model to compensate and lost half their users in the process.

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>>108674913
Never tried it, does it run commands on your local machine like codex only with a web interface or does it run commands on a cloud sandbox? Anyway I suppose it shares usage with cli codex, and the whole point of this is to not spend codex usage.
I'm trying the MCP thing now. It seems slower than codex but it does more or less work.

>>108674949
The web chat thing we have at work (can't use the normal interfaces for compliance reasons) just added credits while before we had unmetered access. Now I only have like 10 Opus messages a week, it's ridiculous. Gonna have to use GPT.

>>108674976
I used my weekly quota with the new Copilot scheme in a single shift. Back to Codex for me.

>>108674976
it has its own cloud sandbox and only works with github repos, not sure about usage I also never used it too much

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>>108674778
Update, codex found some issues in a part of my test set and is currently trying to understand what is going on. Not looking well, but maybe I'm not the only one who just got a subscription because of anthropic dropping the ball.

found out how to use subagents to make a fake game studio like that other guy was talking about

>>108674994
Oh it's not very useful to me then. Might as well let GPT use the normal web chat sandbox.
Main advantage would be if it had web access which the regular sandbox lacks IIRC.

>>108674995
What are you testing?

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>>108675000
gl;hf my team is down until I can switch plans around because github copilot committed seppuku.
They did some substantial work though, this game was 3 prompts and it's actually fun until you get to the level where none of the hitboxes align with anything.

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>>108675021
Identifying trading cards. The card itself works very well, but telling different expansion sets apart is hard. I am trying different ways to mage that distinction and then compare the results.

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Deepseekerinos...

Codex 5.5 seems to be more autonomous, not sure if I like that.

>>108672104
There will definitely be enough servers to run Opus 4.7 at some point. GPUs are still improving, data centers are being built. It might come 10 years later than AI companies promise, but unless there's some catastrophe, it will happen.
By then we will expect much higher performance, but Opus 4.7 at full power will never be useless.

>>108675235
Powerplants aren't being built, transformers (physical ones) aren't being built

Is deep seek still open source? Can you host it locally?

>>108675240
Sure they are anon, just far fewer than what's currently demanded.

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>>108675253
Yes it's open source
You most likely can't host it locally because it's fuckhuge

>>108675264
>fuckhuge number of parameters
>still lower than kimi and glm
How the mighty have fallen

>>108675263
will elon musk save AI?

>>108675264
Fug :DDDD

>>108674778
It’s probably due to a large context. When you say “continue,” it rereads everything again. I’ve experienced this before. Maybe compacting the conversation would help

>>108675295
You could run a heavily quantized bitch version in as little as 12GB of VRAM, waste of time though. You could rent an entire H100 node to yourself and you'd still be running Q8 with little overhead for context. It's "open" but it's still meant for big fat datacenters.

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Deeeeep Seeeeek

>>108675322
If you think that response wasn't baked in after it became popular I have a bridge to sell you

>>108675407
GPT-5 fails strawberries sometimes. GPT-5.5 still fails car washing. It wasn't baked it. SVG tests (pelican riding bycle) and some early coding tests like balls in rotating septagon were baked in though.

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>>108675407

I never learned to code, now with vibe coding I'm making scripts and small tools that previously stuck up programmers wouldn't implement for things I used.

This is freedom.

>>108675440
Most models still fail because they reach for the most statistically rewarded answer from training, so they assume short distance means walking is better. Give Claude more personality and common sense and suddenly it passes the car wash test.

>>108675571
same, feels good making my own tailor made tools and automations instead of bending myself and my usage to the tools autistic spergs made

>>108675576
>they reach for the most statistically rewarded answer from training
No longer an excuse for thinking models. In fact, thinking models are more likely to get it wrong vs. their non-thinking counterparts

So I'm supposed to use DS V4 in a pay per token way? Why don't they have a plan or something

>>108675571
Im a coder and good for you man.
I can code now various languages I don't know as well. Its certainly uplifting.
I have no clue why the artfags feel so threatened.
I don't like altfag but he was right when he talked about how AI is a great equalizer and can lift you up where you are less capable.

>>108675617
People with their agents rape western companies already.
Imagine if they are let loose on deepseek. They already don't have enough gpus.

>>108675658
the artfags fear people being no longer willing to pay their retarded prices

>>108675658

yup it's uplifgting.I'm a nocoder and for example maybe instead of still using js for web deb maybe some dev would actually explore elixir language ,i did vibecode and it's really pretty smooth and i din't have any problems.
Or seeing how you interop languages for example i made an ada browser with qtweb engine by interoping c++ with ada since you can interop c with ada.
Also somehow (but i didn't work) ada can interop with cobol so i did vibecode a little db in cobol but unfortunaly i could save the input but when loading the db ,i couldn't get the output ,i didn't bother much i think it's just itneresting.If you know your stuff ,it's mind expanding i imagine ?
also fortran is really efficient ,vibecoded some tests and comparing it to compiled sbcl.
Also made a sbcl repl with a flutter gui ,kind of shit totally useless but you know why not ?

i don't understand why people with skills and knowledge of all of that don't try more even if it's retarded ideas.

>>108675715

compiled common lisp.* my bad.

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It's supposed to be writing documentation. I really just don't know what to think at this point.

>>108675715
>i don't understand why people with skills and knowledge of all of that don't try more even if it's retarded ideas.
i see life like a old school rpg kinda.
god put the stats into coding skills or unique/autistic coding solving for me but not creativity.
any idea I have, a cheap 3rd world guy already provides. that or big companies already do it.

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>>108675774
This is what happens when you're forced to use Huawei chips

>>108675774
>There is a computer on the table, and the screen displays a complex code editor interface. Open in the code editor is a Python file named "example.py", which contains the following code.
>A steaming cup of coffee sits in front of the user, next to an open book titled "Python Programming: From Beginner to Practice." A terminal window displays a Python virtual environment running on the computer monitor, showing the following output.
>Users are exploring how to better organize and manage Python projects, particularly how to use virtual environments and dependency management tools. They've noticed that the current code is just a simple example and want to expand it into a more complex project structure, including multiple modules, packages, and dependency management.

>>108675694
they could just use ai though and experiment. i guess some people always will pay for human artists.
if I would be an artfag I would try and train my own lora on my stuff and let people API call that for a couple bucks a month or something like that.
but i realize i have a totally different mindset than a artfag. just in general they seem nasty. don't wanna be too judgmental but as a young whippersnapper i made some bad experiences. asked for a simple face assets art for my rpgmaker game and got piled on and made fun of and lectured how the character should actually look like.
had to take what i could get back then though. now you can just prompt what you want.

>>108675780

see brother i do have an idea

ada interoped with cobol interoped with c++ interoped with flutter.
i'm gonna try that ,i don't even understand how does it work but at the end it's one and zero so i guess it can work ?

>>108675571
there's no human more horrid than an open source maintainer. I love computers but llearned to program out of sheer frustration. AI is great for getting me to stop wasting my time typing coode but knowing how to write them and how to best write them is still valuable having full control over your code.
vibe coding is nice unlike generative AI because it is an inherently collaborative process, meaning you get to make it yours if you tried hard enough. an artist only gets the finished output from a prompt string because genAI was designed for boomers and not creators. they have no subsequent creative control over the work unlike with code.

>>108675809
It was supposed to be documenting some old Z80 ASM.

>>108675837
I was getting chink yesterday and the day before back when it was still 3.2. My guess is that to make shit run faster they made it so whole server clusters use chink or english and your shit gets migrated to either cluster on the fly.
And the way they migrate through clusters doesn't actually preserve the data as whole so you get random inserts from other people's data.

Claude code has become super expensive, they're killing the cloud.

>>108676022
They're not meant to be used by poor people.

>>108676026
Cloud is only beneficial for the poor.
Rich people just download gemma4 or llama or qwen3.6 and run it for free on their expensive setup.

Only poor people get subscriptions or pay for tokens.

>>108676026

that's a shame ,rich people don't have ideas.There's a reason they never produced any genius or so fews.It has always been the intelligent poor reaching the little bourgeoisie and in 60's/70's mostly poor people.

oh well

You can almost squeeze an entire free month out of a Codex sub simply by just charging the amount of the first month to the card. They'll then try to charge the next payment over the course of an month and then eventually end your sub. Rinse and repeat. Neat.

>>108676063
Now that Claude is dead I have to use Codex.
If codex also begins to cost 100 bucks a month, I need to choose between my wife's ozempic subscription or codex and that's not a good choice. I need her less overweight so I can coom.

I'm making a visual novel for fun using ren'py with vs code being my editor. Before, I would just take image snippets and ask gemini in my firefox browser on how to help or what to make. Is there a more efficient way to be vibecoding? Maybe something that is within vs code itself? Or a different text editor? It would be nice to just easily point to something and say "I want to do this" etc. I know cursor ai has agents but that's behind a massive paywall and I currently have gemini pro for free right now

>>108676057
why would rich people use inferior models?

Binance changed its websocket behavior today and broke live subscription of data (of some 500 symbols), I tried fixing it myself using path-based combined subscriptions and got HTTP 414 error. I fed DSV4 the changelog and my code and it fixed in one go and made it so it launchs multiple websockets with shorter paths. So there's that

>>108676280
I used to trade a bit on Binance. My software was also in C++ so for instance there is no reflection and no built in way to serialize jsons. I spent so much time on API boiler plate and AI is now almost instant.

>>108676057
lil none but incels do this st lil bro

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vibe coded picrel
at core is just an rss feed, works on reddit/youtube etc.
the big problem of rss was always that the useful feeds are always huge with 100+ items per day. No time for all that crap
So the trick is AI filtering so for example on /r/manga you only get threads about genuinely new manga filtering out all the meme and low quality crap.

Whatever Anthropic did is working so far. Whether it's really the fixes, or they just increased compute to compete with GPT 5.5, Claude is usable today.

>>108676541
No shit they did a whole blogpost on it.

>>108675000
Not game studio anon, buuuut

You're gonna spend a bit tweaking the agents to be sure they don't run off and do stupid shit on their own and know their own lane/responsibilities. It's taken me a bit to get text in a screen, but I'm having them build the game from the engine up just to see how far they can go. I only run 1 agent per team (core, graphics, etc) because I don't trust myself to get multiple agents talking to one another properly.

They do not like dealing with raw OpenGL contexts and shaders (with SDL) but apparently SFML is fine and has no issue. Might be a me problem because they swore the OpenGL code should work no matter the model.

Also since I told my director agent that they're not allowed to implement, I have to explicitly tell them to send the task to their team or they sometimes read files over and over again until I stop them (might be model dependant). Every one of my prompts to it also include things like "prompt me for me information if needed" so it doesn't get stuck in weird assumptions... Dunno how to explain that one other outside of these guard statements fixing a lot of issues.

It's been an interesting experiment to say the least. I've got to create an agent to handle art assets at some point but I'll worry about that later.

>>108675571
So true, so true

>>108676555
I know, but I thought they would fuck it up until I tried it myself.

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sorry to be that annoying no-code shitter but I would really appreciate it anyone could give me some insight >>108676172

>>108676817
just abuse the free tiers in multiple coding plugins. Cline, Kilo, Codex have free tiers. Even copilot has a decent ammount of free tokens in its limit to help you.

>>108676817
https://developers.openai.com/codex/quickstart?setup=ide
jam codex into your vscode
other llm's are certainly available

is the context length for 5.5 in codex still ~250k?
it's bumped to 400k in pi.

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>>108675812


okay VibeGODERS we've got a prototype now i have to think how to actually create my own digital money and we can start our alternative chud banking system

>>108676172
>vs code
>I currently have gemini pro for free right now
It's kinda ass but it should work:
>https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=Google.geminicodeassist

>>108676817
You can use cline, it's a vs code extension, pretty much what you're describing, but it's API based. I think some subscriptions allow you to use it with generated API keys, worth checking out.

>>108677146
didn't know this exist. gemini sucks at writing code unfortunately

>>108677201
yeah you can login with your google account in the extension, then vibe for 10 minutes before the limits kick in.

>>108673478
I don't like your spamming but i do like that hyperborean reference lol.

5.5 can update the tasks checklist

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My vibe code project got a ton of traffic last night, I guess the bots are now going to learn from my bot-coded project.


Have we already reached the point where everything is just bots learning from bots yet?

>>108677292
> be me
> mention "Open Claw" somewhere in the docs of a project
> suddenly thousands of Indian bots are cloning my repo

the big AI shitfication began

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>>108673942

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My app is now my favorite PDF reader, and it was meant to be a side feature. It's a bit wobbly when switching modes (I guess I could get 5.5 to fix it but I don't want to burn tokens for now) but after that I like it better than every one I've tried. It's fully distraction free and renders pages really fast.
I mean, it doesn't have a lot of features, but more often than not I just want to read the PDF with a minimalist distraction free viewer.

>>108677654
make it properly display the %20 stuff in the filenames

>>108677366
I think it's cause i let AI write my release notes and so it fluffed it up with enough AI buzz words that other AIs were attracted like flies to honey.

>>108677672
Meh, got better things to spend tokens on. I'll note it as a low priority bug

>>108672867
they look at the outputs, if that looks ok then the system is ok. it's like looking at your car's paint job to determine if its safe to take it for a drive

>>108677681
SPEND THE FUCKING TOKENS NOW

>>108677682

well if my car can drive me to point a to point b i would say it's okay ,plus that's like only driving your car in your garden ,not much dangerous desu.

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AGI

>>108673310
What did you tell it to do?

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am I gonna go to jail

For some reason my claude weekly limit reset to three days even though it had just reset today
Pretty nice.

>>108677882
What did you try to do lol?

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We have a windows only compiler tool chain. I ported it to Linux in 2 days in claude code. I've spent 4 years on this project. Never got time to port it before. Spent my Christmas holidays like a week trying to port it and I did it partially and it ran, but didn't work. I just finished it in the last 2 days with Claude code. Its fucking better than me. My fat paycheck, compiler engineer days are over.

>>108677892
just asked for a usercript to download discord dm's

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Fuck
I'm nearly at the end of my 5 hour block and I've been working the whole time. I could've got chatgpt plus instead of the $100 pro T_T
How am I going to use all of this compute? I've been working for 9 hours today and I've used 2%. I'm going to need to make some wasteful monster projects. I can switch to gpt 5.5 but how many extra tokens is that really going to burn?

Now that I've seen this, I think chatgpt is an extremely good deal and I recommend it for people unhappy with their current setup. The Codex application is good. Try gpt plus for a month and see if it covers your sneeds. Today alone I would have spent about 30 dollars doing what I've done via API in my estimation.

I only wanted to get my little projects smashed out but now I need to think way bigger. What the hell can I make? I genuinely have no idea, I wasn't expecting this much compute. I'm like a thrashed dog after dealing with anthropic's rate limits.

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Fucking kill me now.

Does anyone else get "Thought for 0s" with 4.7 in VS Code now? I assumed it was a graphical bug but I can't view the thinking process so it must not be using its thinking at all, even though it's on Max effort.

>>108677906
How does it compare against Claude code?

>>108677928
yeah same

I want to fork an existing project (Bitchat or Briar) to make it more accessible, what should I use?

>>108677906
>I can switch to gpt 5.5 but how many extra tokens is that really going to burn
5.5's very token efficient. no reason to not be using it over 5.4 or even 5.3 codex now.
medium is fine for most things.
also your pro sub is currently 2x normal limits.

>>108677968
Ask Claude

>>108677867
Just to make an UI adjustment.

Apparently Codex not can navigate and look at your screen. What could go wrong?

>>108677932
Not sure as I didn't have claude code, I was using it on a free account and via API like a retard. It seems like anthropic wants to remove claude code from claude pro anyway so you're better off with chatgpt plus if you're going with a $20 plan.
I prefer vibecoding in a gui, it's more similar to cline which is what I had been using. My current setup is half my monitor is chatgpt the other half is codex and I discuss, research, and plan in gpt and then have it create a series of prompts that I paste into codex.
>>108677982
Yeah true. Do you know if fast mode decreases quality? I can probably flick that on as well and get more done

>>108674795
It was really good at dick eating. That's basically it.

>>108678005
>Do you know if fast mode decreases quality?
nope. turn and burn, anon.

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wait, what

>>108677891
Mine reset yesterday and is schedule to reset again tomorrow. Don't know what they're doing, but I'm not complaining.

>>108675215
i do, i got sick of giving my agents a TODO file and having to tell it a dozen times to keep going

>>108675742
but on 4chan it's the complete reverse lol
codefags have been in meltdown mode for years now

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>>108678573

>>108678772
kek

>>108678772
actually lel'ed
nta, but 5.5 so good because you don't have to do this shit much anymore

What's a good AI to make JP -> EN translation? I want to do MTL of a Japanese game.

Who else is buying technical debt-backed securities?

>>108678783
I've had the opposite experience sadly. So far I'm extremely pleased with the results from 5.5, I've been very happy watching it clean up the junk that 5.4 left behind, but it's been doing a lot of talking when it should be coding. It's reluctant to make a clean-up pass, for example, instead spitting out clean-up reports which I then have to tell it to act on. Still doing some solid work though, it's actually doing multivariate testing the right way which is something I've fought 5.4 and 4.6 Opus to do correctly.

>>108678005
I always use fast mode, but it's 2x the usage for 5.4 and 2.5 times the usage for 5.5.
I asked ChatGpt and it says you basically just get a better queue priority, the output should be exactly the same. I also don't notice it being any worse than before I started using /fast.

>>108678796
if you mean locally, the biggest Gemma 4 your GPU can fit.

If you mean any AI, then probably ChatGPT 5.5

>>108678849
Thanks

>>108678818
worth seeing if you can hack together a very generic clean up skill that does little more than just tell it do the work instead of yapping.

>> Alphabet, $GOOGL, says it will invest up to an additional $40 billion in Anthropic.
>
>Alphabet will also provide Anthropic with at least 5 GW of computing power.
>
>$GOOGL has officially crossed above $4 trillion in market cap.
????

>>108678846
>better queue priority
Oh that makes sense
I've been using it for an hour or two now and I definitely noticed the higher usage but I'm fine with that. I think I'll switch to 5.5 normal and see how that goes.

>>108678914
google owns ~6 percent of xai as well lol

>>108678914
>Company specializing in Advertising and Datacenters further invests in content-serving businesses that heavily utilize datacenters.
I'd like to imagine future AI will just be a universal advertiser. Not just advertising specific things, just actively encouraging people to spend as much money as possible. Always recommends libraries with expensive licenses, ask for a recipe and it suggests just ordering delivery instead, ask a troubleshooting question about a device or an appliance and it vehemently insists you should just buy a new one, try to get it to code something and it refers you to another AI service that specializes in coding, then that service inserts advertising into your application and encrypts your source (access to your own sourcecode requires a Premium Plus Max subscription and costs 100,000k tokens for each file you open, removing the auto-inserted ads is a one-time fee of 2m tokens).

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>>108673946
>shortest code possible
Here's the same idea to compress the input context https://github.com/jappeace-sloth/haskell-minifier but they don't seem to do proper code golf with inlining names used once or common subexpression elimination.
I don't think it's a good idea to explicitly request it because micromanagement is offensive or soul crushing.

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>We've detected that you have an incompatible version of Windows.
>Docker Desktop requires Windows 10 Pro/Enterprise/Home 22H2 (19045) or Windows 11 Pro/Enterprise/Home 23H2 (22631) or above.
I built my project around a program I can't even install

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>>108679168
>docker on windows

>>108679168
>docker

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>>108679231
Clearly I've never used it before. Never even heard of it.
I forgot to discuss that part of the project and chatgpt decided that was the path to go down, probably while I was jerking off

>>108673946
>>108679159
back when gpt was dogshit at coding and would only emit at most 100-200 lines of code in one go (and constantly omit things) i messed around trying to get it to write everything with lambdas and other shit to compress the code length
this probably hurts because having this spelled out in the code should help it reason about it
even if a top model can work with obscured code it basically cucks lower level models from being able to do anything with it

>>108678914
circular economy to manipulate prices

we are SO fucked

>>108677906
install cursor or vscode, link your api key, and literally just tell the agent to make something and it will happen

literally its at the point where you can develop a discord clone from scratch just by telling it what you want and telling it to make it better or sending screenshots of bugs and saying fix it.

streamer broteam literally made bonfirechat (.) net maybe 8 hours of just casually talking to the computer while also playing videogames

>vibe code app
>this would be relevant to my online friends over at 4chan and other places
>apple only lets you publish under your legal name
>be the only one in the world with that name
>your main workplace is the first google hit for your name
Yeah maybe I won't enroll in TestFlight and share this with you guys, sorry.

>>108679815
Apple is so fucking gay

>>108679815
>larping

>>108679832
Why would I? I posted hoping that some anon managed to publish an app in a way that he could share a testflight link here without doxxing himself.

5.5 feels like it has speed of a mini model

>>108679815
>apple only lets you publish under your legal name
seriously? what cunts
can't you still form an LLC and publish under that?
not that you should but i thought that was always an option

>>108679852
i've been afraid to enable /fast for anything where quality matters because i expect it to be worse, even though my tests haven't actually shown it yet
they might have enabled /fast for everyone for a few days to get people hooked, especially since anthropic has been falling on their face

>>108679866
not just codex, the webchat itself is damn fast
btw I think AI love something like "design a language", they talk too much

>>108679853
Costs ~1000-2000 dollars in my country, plus you need to put in $25000 in starting capital, plus you need to file taxes etc.
I would probably do that if I already knew I was able to monetise it and generate a few k of income. Also, I could do stuff like buy a new pc as the company pc and circumvent certain taxes, but it's really just a little app I wrote for myself for a nerdy hobby and I think that others might appreciate it. I don't even want to put ads in because I hate ads.

>>108679815
set up an llc and publish under that

>>108679906
>Costs ~1000-2000 dollars in my country, plus you need to put in $25000 in starting capital, plus you need to file taxes etc.
germany? sounds very western european to me
sorry anon

>>108679815
If you Google my name now it immediately comes up with photos of me in various crowds at events I've attended over the years. I don't do social media or similar shit, and yet there are still photos of my online somehow associated with my name. It's pretty gay.

>>108679906
look into mini-GmbH says £1

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I'm over here wasting tokens on GPT-5.4. Where tf is my 5.5 Sam???

>>108679930
Close, Switzerland.
>>108679934
Yeah, until I had a real job, I was a ghost online. There was a 6th league football player in a different part of the country with my name when I was younger, but I guess he retired. But my gay employer put my name up. Also, comments like this are why I don't want my name connected to my activity on 4chan lol

>>108679967
>germany on steroids where it's a crime to shower after 9pm
tut mir leid

>>108679851
>>108679934
so you made something you want to publish as an app specifically and only for iphone? but, whatever you made is something that youre too afraid to attach your own name to? and its not something worth starting a business for? like you want an app store app for a 4chan joke?

none of it makes sense dude, youre clueless. ask your llm for an alternative to an app for sharing something with friends, rhymes with webYOURE A RETARDsite

>>108679962
I got access last night on the 200$/mo plan, which one are you on

>>108679967
The other day someone posted a screenshot of a view count for something they wrote and I found their real identity (including name, country, university they studied at, current employer, countless photos, and information about their immediate family) entirely by accident just looking for more info on what they'd written. That's a hell of a dox by complete accident from a fucking screenshot of a view counter.

I've just decided I'm going to permanently task an AI agent with Googling my name and sensitive information about me to find it on the internet and spawn subagents to endlessly harass those services into removing all of my info. Like Incogni or DeleteMe except it's just Haiku with every prompt pre-empted with "aggressively".

>>108679996
I'm on the goy plan

>>108680054
also goy, had access within an hour of first twitter posts. rollout should be complete already, double check your shit doesn't need updating, Codex or VS Code or whatever~

>>108680054
update your app/cli
everyone got it yesterday within ~3 hours of the announcement

>>108679986
Yeah, and apparently (>>108679953) in Germany, you have mini-GmbH which we don't here.

>>108679692
Good to know. If it gets to the end of the week and I have compute I'll give that a go. Maybe I'll start thinking of a video game idea.

>>108680099
This worked thanks. I assumed the app updated upon startup. I was wrong

>ask model what information it wants from other, better, model
>have it generate review pack and prompt for other model
>paste AI's outputs into another AI's inputs
>wait for output and then do the reverse
funny how normally this would be an API call but that would cost a lot of money and it's free as long as i do the pasting

>>108680320
Set up a local model, it can be bitch-tier because its only job would be copy-pasting back and forth.

I can't decide on a vibe code harness to use, I feel like pi would be a meme

>>108680376
Look at all of your options and you'll find that most of them are Pi underneath anyway.

>>108680392
Yeah but I don't feel like implementing playright navigation and web search and basic shit like that, is open code decent?

>>108680320
you can set up chatgpt (the web version) to edit files and run commands on your pc through desktop commander

>>108680320
> this anon single handedly broke OpenAI

keep doing God's work anon-kun

The exoplanet app is nearly complete.

>openai's web frontend shitting itself
cool
>>108680430
it's easier to just upload a zip and let the web version dig through it

I've been enjoying using free codex to do things for me as a nocode tard
How easy is moving to using a local model?

>chatgpt pro used to think for 60-90 minutes while opus shat out an answer in 2-5 minutes
>now outputs in under 10 minutes
either they pumped up compute or they nerfed thinking

>>108671970
Would you use it that much?
People complain about tight limits all the time. Those must be fucking CEO+marketing people throwing shade on each other and making up fake customer feedback to throw competition off the track.
No fucking way you would actually use that much unless you're tied to a chair in front of a computer 24/7.

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>>108680893
Unfortunately you're a day late
>>108677906
You're right haha. It's alright though.

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>>108672068
Nothing ever happens. It cannot do anything complicated. It never will be able to. Requires a human to guide it, ideally each step.
Things you hear about it (especially those crazy faggots spending huge amounts of tokens) are mostly:
1. marketing
2. delulus lying to themseleves (sonyboy, apple fanatic kind of delusion)

If your job can be done by a deterministic next word prediction algorythm, you're not supposed to be there in the first place.

If I had unlimited tokens I would lock myself in a room room for a month straight and nonstop churn out projects. It's kind of scary how focused I become when /vibing/, when I'm otherwise very easily distracted.

>>108680775
You can let it work on your own machine too
>>108680462

How usable is Codex on Open AI's regular pro plan (20-30 dollars per month)? Is it a Claude Code situation where on the basic plan you say hey and hit your limits, or is it possible to use it for a few hours of light use per day?

>>108681085
>You can let it work on your own machine too
my gut feeling was chatgpt pro on the web was "smarter" than codex on max in codex, but i'm not so sure anymore.

>>108681097
With codex the main limit is the weekly limit, but it's fairly generous.
Plus you have nearly unlimited webfront access.

>>108681103
Pro only works well within their server side harness and only because it thinks for so long per reply. My job has Pro access with a custom harness and it's not any better than normal GPT.

>>108681112
Thanks, I'll try it then.

>>108681138
It used to dig through shit autistically for 60-90 minutes for me
guess i'll try to re-run it with the prior model and see if it is still the case

>>108675264
I bet I can host it, it's only 13B active params, I literally only need one GPU. Probably 4090 would be a bit more usable than 3090. Still my guess that it will not be even remotely "flash", consumer hardware is not capable doing fast inference with that many params.
I got myself a fucktonn of RAM before crysis. tfw no H100

>>108681097
The $20 is almost enough for a pro programmer doing medium work through it, you will hit the 5hour limit and run out of the weekly quota a couple days before it resets, but you can complement it with something like github's copilot if it ever comes back. The main thing is the 5 hour one, way too small.
I do wish they offered a $40 plan though, that would easily cover my needs, they do have the option to buy credits, I need to check if they are priced decently or they are just api prices.

>>108681068
What would you actually do? Anything serious a single big project or just piles of garbage?

>>108681234
not him but if i had unlimited tokens i would spawn thousands of agents to do research and create a knowledge base then create terabytes of synthetic training data

>>108681157
Yes, that's what I mean by thinking longer. But I don't think the model itself does it when used through API outside their sandbox.
It would be interesting to see what happens if you used the MCP hack to let it work on a local machine from the web frontend though.
It was inconsistent for me though. It works better on tasks that can be solved through brute force rather than something that requires judgment.