>>18360704
He installed a theocratic dictatorship in Iran.
If it wasn't for him and his supporters Iran today would be a prosperous Communist power free of age old superstitions.

>>18360781
>prosperous
>communist

>>18360781
He did something cool and unique making a Shi'ite theocracy, how many goyslop Commie states were there in the world at the time? You have enough, stop being greedy.

>>18360804
>He did something cool and unique
His revolution was truly a historical anomaly. For the entirety of the Cold War up to that point, governments were either with the US or USSR, or played both sides. There was no such thing as non-alignment, and NAM was a cope. But Khomeini was actually hostile to both powers and wanted to create a third way, an Islamic bloc, Ironically this even united the US and USSR to some extent with regards to the emerging threat of Islamism. Very interesting

>>18360704
He was literally part Indian. Iranians literally sacrificed their lives so pajeet can rule over them. You cant make that shit up

Uh can anyone tell me anything of interest about the 1988 massacres in Iran?

>>18360821
>For the entirety of the Cold War up to that point, governments were either with the US or USSR, or played both sides
China was no longer under the USSR sphere of influence by that point.

>>18361353
Fair enough, but it was aligned with the US by that point. And before that it was still part of the communist world, if not in the USSR's sphere of influence. It wasn't proposing a third way in international relations in the manner that Iran was after the revolution

>>18361337
Just googled it. Apparently they executed thousands of commie terrorists trying to overthrow the government. Uhh, based?

>>18361389
>trying to overthrow the government
Theocracies have no right to exist, anyone who attempts to overthrow a theocracy us based

>>18361402
>muh theocracy

>>18360781
Would it be sovereign? Japan for example is supposedly high income in comparison to china, but Japan isn’t sovereign, and that’s a big deal

>>18360704
>he fought against slavery, colonialism, and apartheid
sounds like a cuck

>>18361415
It wouldn't have been. When a US-backed government was overthrown in the Cold War, the expected outcome was a reorientation to the USSR. The Iranian revolution was unique in that after the revolution Iran immediately also spurned the USSR. It was genuinely hostile to both the West and the East and had its own vision for international politics, which it put into effect.

>>18361427
>had its own vision for international politics, which it put into effect.
Such as receiving open support from Israel against Iraq and buying weapons from the US to fund the Contras?

>>18361478
Yes, they traded American hostages for arms while they were fighting a war against an adversary that also had US backing. Is that supposed to be a gotcha or something?

>>18361415
Let's look at foreign policy, as that is probably the key manner in which Japan today is not sovereign. Iran after its revolution started creating Shia militias, one of which being Hezbollah, which killed 241 US marines in 1982. Whether you like it or not, that's an expression of true sovereign control over foreign policy, because if Iran were in the Soviet sphere, I find it highly doubtful that the Soviets would permit such activities or operations.

>>18360704
>>18360704
>great man
>look closely
>cia funded globalist spook

>>18361415
>sovereign
You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means

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>>18361420
LMAO and he loved Islam too

>>18360704
Yeah, no. He'll go down forever in history as the loser subhuman pajeet he was. Try harder next time, rakesh poopshit.
>>18361594
You forgot
>Pajeet
>Illiterate
>Charisma blackhole
>Propped up by USA, UK, and France for muh democracy
>Consolidated power at the cost of getting KWAB'D by war against his fellow retard Saddam
>Kicked the bucket soon
>Khameni (KGB trained) sold the communist dictatorship with the disguise of theocracy to Russia and China anyway

Damn people are pissed about this thread

>>18361389
dangerously based

>>18361727
Iran sucks. Khomeini sucks.

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>>18361727
The guy is western installed puppet who bleed ''his'' country in war with Iraq and then sabotaged it from within and destroyed any military or technological progress that would help defend it.

>>18361773
The Kims were 100% redeemed by history. Get those fucking nukes no matter the cost, its the only thing that keeps bloodthirsty kikes and their golems off your back.

>>18361727
Israel is currently actively lobbying for Americans to fight Iran on its behalf, of course the shills will come out in full force. Demonizing Iran is literally priority number 1 right now

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>>18360868
Iranians and indians are the same lmao
>>18361662
>>18361737

>>18360704
He looks like the stereotypical evil jaffar vizier.

>>18360704
He took the Persian people and forced them to LARP as Arabs for the past fifty years.

>>18362009
Diaspora Iranian detected, nobody else can even tell the difference enough to care

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>>18362009
>saaaar ve are white aryans

>>18361849
>Tiktok screenshot
Thank you for discrediting yourself.

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>>18362625
So? Its true no?

>>18361773
>destroyed any military or technological progress that would help defend it.
Nigga the US is literally threatening to attack them right now because of their advances in missile and nuclear technology. What kind of next level diasporoid seething is this

The Iranian government follows an Abrahamic religion, thus by-default they are no different from Israel. Actual genuine anti-Zionism would be a complete rejection of all Abrahamic religions and return to paganism.

>>18363197
>palestinians are zionist
trvke.

>>18363197
>Actual genuine anti-Zionism would be a complete rejection of all Abrahamic religions and return to paganism.
Goofy, pls

>>18363197
True. But even paganism has the same problem embedded into it that has caused all the glitches in communication - Venus worship.
For Hellenism, it was trading Castor for Helen, or Ares for Athena, in Zoroastrianism its Anahita. And so on and so forth.

>>18363003
>their advances in missile and nuclear technology
do they have Nukes?
no? case closed

>>18363538
It seems you lack reading comprehension, so let me help you. One post said the Islamic government destroyed military technological advances on purposes. The second post responded and pointed out that they actually made many advances, and that these advances are the current justification for war. The second post wasn't claiming they made nukes. Hope that helps.

>>18363547
It seems you lack reading comprehension, so let me help you. All this ''advances'' mean nothing if they country is defenceless. It just give Israel drum to bang to ask USA for support.
No practical capabilities = just smoke and mirror.
Mullahs did nothing to increase iran power and the country and power structure is infiltrated by Mossad and their azeri auxiliaries.

>>18363554
Are you Iranian diaspora by any chance? I can't think of anyone else that would believe in these retarded conspiracy theories. But sure bro, they totally sabotaged themselves by developing missiles

>>18363560
No. Just have some extra insight into current situation.

>>18363565
Come on saar. You're parroting all the diasporoid conpiracy theories lol. Share some more insights about how le mullah regime's missile program was actually making Iran weaker the whole time

>>1836357
>have no talking points
>start saaring like a tard
Fuck off. I stand by my words. You may believe by any delusion you want. The fact is that country is practically defenceless and infiltrated from top to bottom. And mullahs had their part in it.

>>18363582
One conspiracy theory at a time saar. You said le evil mullahs sabotaged their own military tech advancement. At the same time, its the evil mullas fault for getting attacked by the US for making missile and nuclear advances. You have special insights into the diasporoid mind, please help us understand how these theories make sense

>>18363597
Its simple. Mullahs work for the west. All they did was bleed off and stagnating country.
>but muh advancement
Nothing come from it. Its just hoax to give Israel justification for invasion.

>>18363601
So the evil mullahs have been working to overthrow themselves the whole time? They made missiles to justify Israel bombing them and they enriched uranium to justify America bombing them? Groundbreaking analysis. Continue.

>>18363609
Pretty much even if they do not know it. They are just west backed satraps appointed to keep Iran down - which they did. Same goes for most(if not all) third shithole leaders.

>>18363610
Thank you. Just goes to show you how emotional diasporoid analysis is. Will literally say the most illogical and contradictory things to make sure the evil mullahs are the bad guys in the end. On the one hand they supposedly sabotaged their own military tech advancement. On the other hand they’re evil for daring to support the missile and nuke program. They supposedly work for Israel and America even while they’re getting bombed by Israel and America. No matter what they do, they are le evil mullahs. Its just emotion driven analysis

>>18363662
Mullahs are either traitors or totally incompetent, maybe even both. In any way the difference in end effect is miniscule. Iran is defenceless and infiltrated and mullahs gonna sabotage anyone who want to change that.
There is nothing emotional about this.

>>18363664
Yes I understand your argument. One one hand they are traitors that secretly work for Israel and the US. At the same time, it's all their fault Iran is getting attacked by Israel and the US. Diaspora Iranians must have a huge brain to believe totally opposite things at the same time and it all makes sense in their head

>>18363674
When you come to the understandings that all politics is just farce, fake and gay you will see that I am right about them. Of course in your case when is never.

>>18363680
Politics is fake and gay, but the contradictions were in your own arguments...

>>18363684
There is no contradictions. you think they are but there is not.

>>18363689
Oh, you are right. They are traitors working for Israel but for some reason they're evil for getting into fights with Israel. They supposedly sabotaged their own military. Also mullahs are evil for making a missile program that gets them into fights with the US. No matter what they do, the mullahs are evil. Totally unemotional analysis here.

>>18360704
While he was at times an evil man, his treatment of the communists within Iran redeems him. The funny part is that they all supported him against the Shah, leftists will never stop being shortsighted when it comes to Islamism

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>>18360704
Wrong Iranian

>>18363704
>Islamism
Not really. The current regime basically got cyucked by several business interests and elites. Which in turn means that the state is very slow to produce the infrastructure and support for the middle class and below despite being financially well off relatively.

>>18363739
This problem is due to sanctions. When an entire country is under sanctions it necessitates the use of informal and opaque business networks. If you can't buy or sell goods on the open market because the US banned all banks worldwide from working with you, you have to use a clandestine system instead that is based on personal ties and disguised transactions. This obviously favours business interests and elites as you said, since they're basically the only ones who can do business.

>>18363723
Mossadegh was a former Qajar aristocrat who was salty about the Qajars being overthrown in 1925. The Qajars were incompetent buffoons who took L after L and Iran didn’t experience any kind of improvement until after Reza Shah overthrow the Qajars.

From that alone, why should I have sympathy for this guy? Any dispute they had with the Pahlavi dynasty was nothing more than inter-royal infighting.

>>18360704
Pretty based for building something that reshaped the entire region's (and accordingly the world's) trajectory. Few figures have that level of historical impact, whether you agree with what he did or not. He's undoubtedly on the level of Stalin or Mao in terms of historical significance.

>>18362009
iranians are shitskins

>>18364049
The shah was ruthlessly incompetent and sold out to the British oil interests. Mossadegh was a socialist who fought to nationalize their extractive operations.

>>18361849
>t. jasdeep

>>18364489
He wasn’t. Pretty much all slander of him are Communist and Islamist lies. He was literally a philosopher king, the ideal ruler according to Plato
>mUh OpPrEsSivE dIcTaToR
According to actual sources, only 3,000 people were imprisoned during his entire reign and most of them are the same jihadists who currently run Iran, including the current supreme leader. So the “both the Shahanshah and Ayatollah are equally bad” crowd can GTFO
>mUh LoW lItErAcY rAtEs
Contrary to popular belief, the imperial government actually attempted to reduce illiteracy. In 1925, the literacy rates were only less than 5% and by 1979, it was over 50%. Today's Iran having high literacy rates is only due to institutions that the Shahanshah put in place
>mUh ImPoVeRiShEd PoPulAtIoN
In 1979 the poverty rates were 20% and today it's 40%. While there was significant poverty, the imperial government at least made actual attempts to eradicate it via the White Revolution. Nowadays, the Islamic Republic meanwhile doesn't even acknowledge the mass poverty rates in Iran and instead focuses all funds towards funding Shia militias like Hezbollah and Houthis as well as building more mosques than needed
>mUh 1953 CiA cOuP
He was already Shahanshah before 1953 as he was crowned back in 1941 as the successor to his father. Iran wasn't even democratic before 1953 as the Shahanshah has always held insane executive authority for 2,500 years. While it did have a constitution since 1907, being a constitutional monarchy doesn't make a state democratic (see the German Empire). Mossadegh wasn't even “democratically elected” as he was appointed directly by the Shahanshah, not elected. Also, the coup was already being planned by the Iranian armed forces before the CIA got involved due to Mossadegh refusing to step down after the Shahanshah ordered him to (the constitution allowed the Shahanshah to do this btw)

>>18364582
>>18364489
>mUh ZiOnIsT pUpPeT
He was openly critical of Israel, the whole "hE wAs A zIoNiSt PuPpEt" line comes from retarded jihadists who believe that anyone who doesn't follow their specific ideology is automatically “Zionist”
>mUh 1979 ReVoLuTiOn
He was overthrown by Islamists and only because of his secularism. His land reforms via the White Revolution destroyed feudal remnants and stripped the clergy of their privileges and they threw a temper tantrum about it. Look up the Cinema Rex fire, Islamists set fire to a cinema and blamed the Shahanshah for it

>>18360781
>Prosperous
>Communist
Pick one

>>18364584
>Look up the Cinema Rex fire
I just googled it, is there any proof of this other than "the Islamists are so evil they must have done it"? These caricature-like depictions of "le Islamists" are abundant in the media (and transparent), and unless there's legit evidence you should be more critical and skeptical

>>18364584
>He was openly critical of Israel, the whole "hE wAs A zIoNiSt PuPpEt" line comes from retarded jihadists who believe that anyone who doesn't follow their specific ideology is automatically “Zionist”
Nigga doesn't his son go kiss the wall in Israel regularly?

>>18364678
The shah ranted about Jews and Israel all the time. Yeah his son might be pro-Israel, but he himself was certainly not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RH2wXQtFdo

>>18364689
Then why do Iranian monarchists love Israel so much? They protest in my city and I see the Israeli flag next to the Shah flag and they seem to love it. I'm doubtful they would do that if the king they miss so much really was anti-Israel. And didn't Iran supply oil to Israel before the revolution? I'm not even an expert and I found that off one quick google

>>18364689
If a rant here or there is your only evidence, then you haven't proven anything. Even Israel's allies in the region criticize Zionism sometimes, its nothing unusual

>>18364656
Vietnam > Thailand
inb4 >but they're not commies

>>18364656
70s USSR was stronger than America

>>18364730
Serious question because I'm not an expert on communism, but how is building iPhones and airpods rationalized and reconciled with communism?

>>18361737
The song Khomaniac by Artillery is pretty cool

>>18364732
No it wasn't.

>>18360704
Dude recorded statements saying you can fuck goats

when people rioted over food prices this one time Khomeni said "I cannot believe we made all these sacrifices so people could have cheaper melons."

>>18360704
>Spiritual cuckhold worshiping Arab man who’s people conquered and raped his people into becoming their lapdogs
lol

>>18367529
Iranian diaspora detected

>>18361415
>but Japan isn’t sovereign
I love when chinks say shit like this because they genuinely can't comprehend other countries having friends who want to look out for them

>>18368214
Japan could have and should have been the richest country in the world. When it was on the cusp of achieving this status, the US forced it to weaken its exporters by intervening in markets to strengthen the yen and help weaken the US dollar (Plaza Accords). This directly led to Japan's financial crisis and Lost Decades which they never fully recovered from. That isn't the act of a friend, that is the act of a master.

Japan shows how far you can go as a vassal. Your master can let you become rich. But you cannot go against the master, and you cannot grow stronger than the master. The US showed them that the hard way. China has no US bases on its soil or else it would have experienced the same thing.

>>18368354
The Plaza Accords affected West Germany as much as it did Japan, yet neither West Germany nor its unified successor experienced anything similar to the Lost Decades

>>18368404
I was making a point about sovereignty, I wasn't starting a debate on economic history. The key point is that Japan's exporters were too competitive and it was forced to weaken them because it's not sovereign. It had to listen to dictates from its master. Do you think the US can dictate Chinese monetary policy in the same way?

>>18368214
>chinks
mindbroken

>>18360781
Based, if the Iranian Revolution hadn't had this evil fuck steering the cart towards Shitslam, Communist Iran would have been hand in hand with Ba'ath Iraq and provided wholehearted support to Khalq in killing every last Mujahideen caveman terrorist fuck in the making before Pakistan and the US could ever get their grubby paws over Afghanistan

Literally the saved timeline for the Middle East and the world really, no Afghanistan means no huge impetus cracking the Soviet Union just as it's starting to reform
Imagine a politically and economically far left Soviet Union. The US would literally have collapsed by now

>>18368406
You haven't demonstrated it was to target Japan specifically any more than it was to target West Germany or the other participants

>>18368421
Iraqi Baathists couldn't even get on with Syrian Baathists, you really think they would get on better with a neighboring rival lol

>>18368422
How would that alter the point being made about sovereignty? Yes, Japan, West Germany, and any country that is forced to weaken its own export sector because it is too strong cannot be called sovereign. That is truly at the heart of sovereignty. China's exports are similarly competitive today, but nobody can force it to double the value of the yuan the way Japan was forced to double the value of the yen.

>>18368429
>China's exports are similarly competitive today, but nobody can force it to double the value of the yuan the way Japan was forced to double the value of the yen.
NTA but I don't even think anyone wants to at this point. The Plaza Accords were drafted by retarded boomers that still thought being a manufacturing economy was worth it when if anything China is proof that it really isn't given how poor their per capita GDP is. And the asset bubble in Japan that followed the Plaza Accords was their own fault because they tried doing their own post-industrial thing and failed

>>18368431
Actually Europe and the US still complain about the Chinese foreign exchange rate. This was literally a topic during Merz's recent trip to China. But they can't force China to do anything, which is the definition of sovereignty.

>>18368431
>retarded boomers that still thought being a manufacturing economy was worth it
Boomers were the ones who deindustrialized America. I hope AI takes your job

>>18368425
This, unironically Iran-Iraqi ties became closest on the basis of religion after Shias took power in Iraq

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>On 7 January 1989, Ruhollah Khomeini, supreme leader of Iran, sent a letter to Mikhail Gorbachev, the General Secretary of the Soviet Union.[1] This letter was Khomeini's only written message to a foreign leader.[2] Khomeini's letter was delivered by the Iranian politicians Abdollah Javadi Amoli, Mohammad-Javad Larijani, and Marzieh Hadidchi.[3] In the letter, Khomeini declared that communism was dissolving within the Soviet bloc,[4][5] and invited Gorbachev to consider Islam as an alternative to communist ideology.[3][6]

What if Gorby had taken him up on it?

>>18368214
LOLOLOLOLOL

>>18368214
Japan literally is not allowed to have an army because of your country Amerimutt.

>>18368551
It’s interesting to think about because the Iranian revolution had revolutionary effects across the region and the muslim world. It inspired mujahedin in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and obviously it transformed the Shia communities of the region to the point that a guerilla movement defeated Israeli occupation in Lebanon. If the USSR converted to this powerful new ideology instead of fighting it, maybe it would have overtaken the US

>>18360704
I support Khomeini conceptually but he didn't know how fucked the ulema was and thought Plato's ideal could be established overnight.

>>18368571
His establishment of the IRGC seems like a pretty perfect execution of Plato's vision of the guardian class though

>>18368551
In the Middle East at least, the USSR's main problem was that communism was a totally alien ideology and the mostly Muslim population was unreceptive to it. Every single socialist republic in the region either adopted some form of Islamism or was overthrown by Islamists, with no exceptions I can think of. So instead of being stuck fighting in Afghanistan, they could probably do what the US did to them and start promoting Islamist insurgents in the US allied gulf countries, which would be easier if they had a better connection the native populations through shared Islam. So it would probably reverse history if Gorbachev managed to convert the USSR somehow

>>18360704
Now that the ZOG war started and these niggas had the balls to bomb US bases in multiple countries simultaneously, we must admit Khomeini was based beyond comprehension

>>18368569
Except such was their punishment for being one of the three major axis powers.

>>18368813
You realize you're agreeing with him? That's the point, they lost the war and their sovereignty along with it

>>18368421
Baathists are fascists.

>>18368569
they will have an army and nuclear capabilities when the US goes ahead on it's plan on encircling China

>>18368843
The US will burn its capabilities trying to encircle Iran right now. This is the last war. Debt is $39 trillion BEFORE the war. This is their last shot and they might win but after this, it's China's world.

>>18361389
But why did Reagan refuse to do in 1988 what Trump would do in 2026?

>>18368854
>>18369246
No retard we all know that 39 trillion $ debt is owned by Jews who win all their wars! America won't be able to reject their plan to nuke China and of course they always win
>Leonidas killed by Xerxes
>Seleucus killed by Ptolemy
>Maxentius killed by Constantine
>Frederick Barbarossa killed by Kilij Arslan I
>Qutuz killed by Kublai Khan
>Charles I of England killed by Oliver Cromwell
>Louis XVI of France killed by Napoleon
>Hitler killed by Trotsky
>Stalin killed by Einstein

>>18360704
colonialism and apartheid were good things though.

>>18369250
True

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>>18369248
Based jews making brown retards cry again

>>18369276
>your free money, sir
Always gets me

>>18360704
they killed him because he was even more conservative than them so they were threatened lol

who else clicked on this shit thread after hearing the news of KWABmeini death?

Who?

POS who thought turning Iran back into 6th century beliefs was the most "optimal" way of running a country. The small nation of Israel managed to kill-off most of these old, low IQ arab-worshipers, without any damage. The technological ability of the west is outmatched, and the fact these retards thought they had a chance, is a complete joke. Absolutely pathetic, this is like if a powerhouse of a nation such as Germany, is defeated by some meme-tier country like Belgium.

>>18370081
If they are so "weak", then why do you need the help of the US? Why can't you do it alone?

>>18370081
>arab-worshipers
You're obviously Iranian diaspora, and I hate to break it to you but you guys are literally as brown as arabs if not browner. Also the most cucked people, I've never seen such enthusiasm for seeing one's own country get carpet bombed

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>>18360704
>Implying slavery, colonialism, and apartheid are "bad"

>>18360704
British plant, the assassination was actually a USA Vs Europe power struggle

>>18360704
>slavery
allowed in islam and actually legal in Iran but disguised as something else
>colonialism
massive campaign on ethnic wipeout of Iranian Azerbaijanis, abolishing their cultural heritage in the name of some religious bullshit. On top of actually making ethnic Persians victims of Arabization through the desert death cult.
>apartheid
Iranians today are the biggest victims of apartheid because their ruling regime is hell bent on sowing chaos and destruction everywhere, including Europe. Because of this, ordinary Iranians who are sick of this bullshit can't get on a plane and leave. And don't forget - even if they could - the gross mismanagement of their closed economy causes currency to plummet to the point that any semblance of normal life is gone. Real Weimar style collapse except you get religious insanity instead of godless degeneracy.

>>18360704
I hate him despite those things, not because of them. I usually like those types.

>>18360704
why would anyone hate Santa Claus?

>>18364582
those are all valid points and I agree with them. Still, Pahlavi dynasty is illegitimate. Qajars are the rightful heirs to the throne.

The Shah wanted to bring Iran into the future, Khomeini wanted to drag it back into the past.

>>18371488
Why can't it just chill in the present?