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The superiority of German civilization is plainly evident (yes, you can be superior and still lose).
Set aside all the German contributions to engineering, science, philosophy and aesthetics since the 15th century. The moment Germany unified into a single state, albeit without Austria, the British, French, and Russians put their differences aside made it their priority for the next 80 years to put down the Germans. And even then, the Germans still came out on top by dominating the EU.
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>>18362008
I think from the Fall of Rome, to the Fall of Berlin, it is pretty self-evident that Germans were the pre-eminent peoples in Europe. Not to say that throughout the entire period they were, but overall.
German contributions in intellectual and cultural fields are in the very highest echelon, probably #1 (sheer breadth; from philosophy and music, to mathematics and technology). Putting that aside. after the fall of Rome, it was (mostly) Germans who conquered Western Europe and established a new civilization in the ruins of the old. The Lombards in Italy, the Angles and Saxons in Britain, the Franks in France. Everyone knows about the HRE. Entering the new millennium, it was Germans who engaged in what was arguably Western Europe's (post-Rome) first age of exploration and conquest with the Ostsiedlung, spreading Latin Christendom and Western Civilization to Slavic and Baltic Europe. As the millennium grew older, German noble houses came to dominate Europe -- indeed, European nobility was synonymous with German nobility; German aristocrats at some point ruled virtually every country in Europe. German politics anchored European politics, being located in the central heartlands of Europe. With it gave rise to some of Europe's greatest movements, be it Protestantism, or the Romantic Age.
Germans also played a central role in Europe's defense. Against the Huns at Catalonian plains, the Magyars at Lechfeld, the Turks at Vienna. As a military power, once close to unified, consistently outperformed their enemies on the battlefield, man for man. With the notable exception of Napoleon, whose real decisive defeat came during the German campaign in the Battle of Nations. At Waterloo it was the Prussians that played the decisive role in defeating the Great Emperor.
Most of us agree that "Western Civilization" is completely different post-1945. Poetically, the Europe of old died during the Battle of Berlin. Standing in its ruins is something else entirely.
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>>18362008
>the British, French, and Russians put their differences aside made it their priority for the next 80 years to put down the Germans
This is a good point, however keep in mind the UK was fairly aligned with Bismarck's reich for the first ~30 years of its existence and only switched sides after Victoria died. Edward VII reversed England's historic policy and everything since then is a result of that decision
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>>18362370
KDR.
Only nerds consider map colors to be the defining feature of war.
>erm you lost
Your bloodlines aren’t coming back LOL.
Maps can be redrawn. People can not be.
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>>18362037
>it is pretty self-evident that Germans were the pre-eminent peoples in Europe.
Germans didn't even have a colonial empire, their colonies either outright failed or they ended up joining other groups. The dutch are far more useful than them. And they did not begin the reformation at all, that's a myth. If they were so great, they would have unified centuries earlier. You're brown.
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>>18362008
germans are insufferable bug people. all of them have a totalizing worldview (be it christian, fascist, or liberal), and a legalistic gigasperg hive mentality. honestly they embody the worst traits of westerners and orientals, actual nation of redditors
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>>18362008
Yeah, this thread definetly isn't going to filled to the brim with frothing /int/cels desperatly shitting on modern day Goymoney in order to heccin pwn some random 60IQ shitpost by Tyreese McMutt from Memphis
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>>18362008
I think it's more so just because they were/are a developed/industrialized Western European country with a large population relative to its neighbors, not necessarily because of some inherent superiority since Europeans are generally quite similar genetically.
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>>18362446
The HRE was heavily centralized early in its existence. It only started to decentralize around the 1300s.
Germany's "Colonial Empire" was within Europe's borders. Be it the Austrian Empire, the Prussians, and the general heavy colonization and development of Eastern Europe by Germans. As well as European noble houses being almost exclusively German.
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>>18362668
England was a unified country in the 900's and this had lasted until now. Most of those settlers were literally invited and kept ties to germany, and were much later almost completely expelled. So that's incomparable to the lasting colonies the british, spanish, portugese and french established, set up on a frontier based around self-sufficiency. Germans never achieved that, nothing they did ever lasted.
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>>18363099
The Eastern regions of Germany were colonized in the 12th and 13th centuries and lasted until the middle of the 20th. So that's 700 years of colonization
>So that's incomparable to the lasting colonies the british, spanish, portugese and french established
None of these empires lasted more than 600 years
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>>18363121
Those "colonies", that were on the same continent and had close connection with the original german lands. Many of them directly next to germany. And where they were invited over by the aristocracy and protected by them. Not much of an achievement when compared to the settlement of america and africa.
>None of these empires lasted more than 600 years
The British empire lasted at about five hundred years and was centuries longer if you count various terrorists in Ireland. And there are still settler countries like Australia and Canada, and overseas territories that belong to the UK. Germany has none of that, germans could not achieve it.
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>>18363421
If modern America counts as a British colony then it equally counts as a Dutch, German, Irish, and Italian colony
>but muh Crown Commonwealth
Literally irrelevant, all are under America's thumb. England lost its last remaining world influence in the 1970s
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>>18363421
Then England counts as a German colony kek
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>>18363421
The British Empire was in a union with Hanover dumbass. Half of their monarchs spoke German as their first language.
I don't really want to pick a fight with Anglos though because I know you're only larping as one
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>>18362008
>the British, French, and Russians put their differences aside made it their priority for the next 80 years to put down the Germans
Not really. Two people are responsible for Germany alienating other major powers: Wilhelm II and Hitler. The moment these retards were gone Germany was again welcome by everyone
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>>18363532
>policies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tirpitz_Plan
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>>18363521
France hated Germany in both the Interwar period and the Cold War
>The moment these retards were gone Germany was again welcome by everyone
Germany didn't get 'welcomed by everyone' until the 1990s, and that was after the ethnic cleansing of the eastern regions and 45 years of partition
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>>18363548
Bismarck in the 1880s was the one who shifted Germany toward a colonial policy, needlessly antagonizing Britain while futilely trying to curry favor with the Russians.
I agree, it was retarded, but it was Bismarck's mistake not Wilhelm's
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if germans disappeared tomorrow, europe would become a garbage slum backwater overnight
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>>18363557
And?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuman_Declaration
>>18363558
Bismarck's colonialism did not antagonize Britain. In fact, the whole purpose of the Berlin Conference was to divide Africa in such a way that it wouldn't cause tensions between nations (it still did, but nobody can blame Bismarck for that)
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>>18363566
>it still did, but nobody can blame Bismarck for that
Why not? War with the UK was the natural consequence of Bismarck adopting a colonial policy.
Bismarck didn't want war with England. Wilhelm didn't either. Not a single person in Germany wanted war with England, and why should they? England had always been a historic ally of the Germans.
But the English perceived Germany as a naval power to be an existential threat to them.
It was still Bismarck's mistake to assume the English would be willing to accept Germany as a fellow imperialist power
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>>18363578
You're putting words in my mouth. Well, he may not have wanted war per se, but he did antagonize Britain willingly (fleet expansion) or unwillingly (Daily Telegraph Affair) which is why I call him a retard. No colonies were involved there
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>>18363580
You said I was wrong for saying Wilhelm didn't want war with the UK, so I took that to mean you were claiming he did want war with the UK.
>but he did antagonize Britain willingly (fleet expansion) or unwillingly (Daily Telegraph Affair)
Well I'm not arguing Wilhelm was the brightest bulb in the shed, just that he continued Bismarck's colonial policy, which he did.
The truth is the UK was never going to accept Germany as a colonial power. England can accept the existence of France or Spain as colonial powers because those don't poise the same existential threat to them. It's a tacit admission of the fact Germany is the strongest country on the European continent
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>>18363587
My point is Wilhelm II was to blame for war with Britain, whether he actually wanted it or not. Hence, a retard
>he continued Bismarck's colonial policy
Not really. Bismarck famously opposed acquiring colonies and only did so both under pressure and to use them as bargaining chips for negotiations
>the UK was never going to accept Germany as a colonial power
No evidence for that. Britain only cared about not being challenged in the high seas, which is exactly what happened when Germany started expanding its fleet under Wilhelm II
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>>18363599
Britain viewed the existence of Germany's naval industry as existentially dangerous due to the long term potential it had to surpass the Royal Fleet and starve the British Isles.
It is not possible for Germany to be a colonial power and not have a naval industrial base, therefore it is not possible for the UK to accept Germany as a colonial power.
The UK doesn't view France or Portugal in the same manner because those nations never had the ability to surpass England's naval capacity. Hence why Britain is fine with France or Portugal having colonial empires but not Germany having a colonial empire.
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>>18363616
>Britain viewed the existence of Germany's naval industry as existentially dangerous due to the long term potential it had to surpass the Royal Fleet and starve the British Isles
Anyone who would start expanding their fleet would be seen as a threat by Britain, it's not rocket science
>It is not possible for Germany to be a colonial power and not have a naval industrial base
It was possible for France
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>>18363616
>>18363627 (me)
You're trying to present Germany's fleet expansion as inevitability, which it wasn't at all, it was a conscious choice by Wilhelm II because he was a retard who couldn't see the consequences of that decision. France had a colonial empire much larger than Germany yet they had no need to expand their fleet unlike Willy The Retard
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>>18363627
France did have a naval industrial base, it just wasn't a serious threat to the British. France unlike Germany lacked the industrial power to theoretically starve the British Isles.
Even though France was more of a threat to British colonies than Germany was, Britain still favored France in the world wars because they never considered France a potential danger to the British Isles themselves
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>>18363630
France lacked the industrial potential to expand their fleet to the same size as Germany or England. It's a skill issue, not because the 19th century French were more Anglophilic than the Germans, which is a laughable assertion
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>>18363636
In any case Germany's fleet was never a threat to the British Isles either, as evidence by the fact it was completely useless in WW1. The British weren't afraid of the fleet itself but of the industrial potential which had produced the fleet and could theoretically continue building it up until it one day surpassed England's in power.
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>>18363636
No, it was a conscious decision by France. Unlike Germany, they chose not to antagonize Britain where they could, like in the Fashoda incident, which is why Britain ended up in the Entente
>>18363638
>Germany's fleet was never a threat to the British Isles either, as evidence by the fact it was completely useless in WW1
This is a post-factum knowledge
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>>18363640
France famously antagonized Britain after the Fashoda incident, in fact they tried to form an alliance with Germany against the English, and they strengthened their existing alliance with Russia.
>No, it was a conscious decision by France.
Do you have evidence of France mitigating the growth of their navy in the 19th century to appease the British? Or is this another 'fact' you pulled out of your ass?
I'll grant you one thing: the French-British rivalry was always a charade in the eyes of the English. But to the French it was very real.
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>>18363643
>France famously antagonized Britain after the Fashoda incident
Never happened
>they tried to form an alliance with Germany against the English
Never happened
>France mitigating the growth of their navy in the 19th century to appease the British
Wdym "mitigate"? Fleet growth is not something that just happens naturally, the government decides to expand the fleet if necessary. That's what Britain was doing with their two-power standard, that's what Germany did, engaging directly in the naval arms race with Britain, that's what France did NOT do
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>>18363650
France didn't grow their fleet because they lacked the industry to.
As I said, it's a skill issue. France is less industrialized and has a smaller population than Germany does. That is why England is fine with France existing as a colonial power, but not Germany existing as a colonial power.
>Never happened
Literally the only reason the Fashoda incident is famous is because France threw a hissy fit over it. I have no idea what your point in bringing it up was, to prove this alleged Anglophilia of the French?
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>>18363653
France did not need a huge fleet to protect its colonies. That's the whole point. Germany didn't need to expand its fleet for an even smaller colonial empire, and it wasn't something that just happened naturally, it was a conscious choice by Tirpitz and Wilhelm II. I don't know why it's so hard to understand
>>18363653
>the only reason the Fashoda incident is famous is because France threw a hissy fit over it
There was no hissy fit. The French sent an expedition to try and snatch some territories, it got stopped, the French weighed their chances and backed down, like rational human beings and not retards
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>>18363663
You're right on some level. The extent of French naval power no where near justified the extent of the absurd French Empire's landmass. But that's because you Brits went easy on them. It serves your interests to allow France to coexist as an artificial imperialist power, when in fact they are entirely undeserving of this status.
Oh well. It's not as though our favoritism of Italy is any different. We all have our personal favorites so I can't blame you
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>>18363668
I'm not even British, lmao. After the Berlin Conference all colonial disputes were handled diplomatically because nobody wanted war. Same way WWI happened not because Britain wanted to take German colonies for themselves, but because Wilhelm II acted like a retard again and declared war on Russia, France and Belgium
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>>18363672
You're changing the subject. The Great War, as in, a war between Germany and the French-Russian coalition was always inevitable, ever since Bismarck failed to strike the finishing blow against France. You could imagine this war breaking out at a different point other than the Austro-Serb conflict of 1914, but that's simply irrelevant speculation.
The question is why Britain ended up aligned with the French-Russian coalition, and this has to do with the policy of Edward VIII. It has nothing to do with Wilhelm, who came to power in 1890 (24 years before the war) and simply continued Bismarck's policies.
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>>18363681
It's simply a result of Germany having a superior industrial base. The fleet would have grown with time regardless of who the Emperor was, unless, like Hitler, they make a very deliberate policy to prevent the growth of Germany's navy.
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>>18363688
And I accept yours. A weak nation like France will never have the industrial capacity of Germany, and that seems to bother you on some level.
You want Germany to put shackles on itself, but do not want to admit that is what you desire.
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>>18363713
Germany lost most of its coastlines in WW2 because they got ethnically cleansed. But you're right. Without a significant coastlines, Germany is no serious threat to the UK and we can be grateful for that.
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>>18363717
What Freundship ?
Germany speaking well or neutral on Britain was always political play.
In reality Britain was scheduled to colonisation and Germanisation or resettlement in another continent, if they ever tried leaving their rainy island to spread the disease of homosexualit-- I mean english mannerism.
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>>18362008
>since the 15th century
Interesting how almost every Nordicist thread on this board has to include this little caveat. I wonder why they don't like to acknowledge the previous 20~ centuries of civilization in Europe.
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>>18363728
You have already admitted you aren't British so let's not get carried away, hm?
When dealing with the French I've realized slipperiness is their sole virtue. It's amazing how a nation so weak has been able to survive a thousand years simply through diplomatic sleights of hand
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>>18363427
It does not. German culture lost to anglo culture. As did irish culture. That's the difference here, german culture fails, their colonies and attempts at spreading their culture fails. And they can't even keep up their culture themselves.
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>>18363438
>the monarchs came from a german line and knew german therefore germany can claim britush achievements for themselves
You're absolutely ridiculous. By the same logic then russian achievement are british. And there are only two or possibly three british monarchs that spoke german natively. Don't lie again.
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>>18363587
>t's a tacit admission of the fact Germany is the strongest country on the European continent
If that were true then they'd have achieved a colonial empire, britian simply didn't desire another rival. Stop posting absurd delusions.
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>>18362008
German civilization does not exist. You cannot convincingly separate it from the rest of Western Europe and still have a complete unit.
That said, the Germans do deserve their accolades. These were very much their centuries.
>the British, French, and Russians put their differences aside made it their priority for the next 80 years
This was the direct result of very bad imperial foreign policy during the prelude to WW1, the UK did not mind a unified Germany by itself and Russia's relationship with Germany only soured after it kept backing Austria Hungary on the Balkans. And after that, german revanchism. Though anything after 1945 could be seen as just a trauma response to WW2 more than anything else.
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>>18363616
>It is not possible for Germany to be a colonial power and not have a naval industrial base, therefore it is not possible for the UK to accept Germany as a colonial power.
Nigger you basically admit that you are wrong here.
It is possible to have a colonial empire, without a fleet so big it can rival the British.
Now shut the fuck up.
It was the navy build-up that made Britain go apeshit at Germany, not the colonies.
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>>18363965
And for the record, all of continental europe underwent massive economic recovery in the immediate aftermath of WW2. Aside from the initial plundering, German economic development was not impeded by the allies.
The soviets did strip east Germany for parts. But that was less hatred for germany per se and more to do with the lack of industry back in the metropole.
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>>18362008
The Js get so fuckin mad when you point this out it's funny.
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>>18362008
What a retarded map.
Germany had no design on annexing Norway, Denmark, Netherlands etc.
They also had no design on annexing that much of France. They wanted Alcase-Lorraine, not half of Ile de France, Picardie and Champagne.
Also the swastika is all wrong, which adds to the fact that a moron redditor made this.
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>>18364042
Britain might speak a germanic language (and even that it's a stretch since most of its lexicon comes from romance languages) but it's not ''germanic'', germanic countries are only Germany, Netherlands and the Scandinavian countries
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>>18363934
British culture lost to American culture. Actually, everyone lost to America
>>18363938
Learn to capitalize "Russian" and "British." If you're going to larp as an Anglo then at least learn to write in English properly
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>>18362008
krautggers are only good for scat pornography and wearing furry costumes, every time they try to go to war it ends tragic for them
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>>18364297
American culture is anglo culture, its a british invention. It's like claiming afrikaners are separate to the dutch
Why do you keep making these accusations that people are pretending to be ethnicities they are not, when they haven't even said anything? And stop policing people on how they get to type.
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>>18364315
The later russian monarchs were descended from victoria
>most of Europe had a German upper class.
No. That's not even close to being true. The royal families were heavily mixed with the upper classes of other countries, they're not ethnically german they're mixed like white americans are. Germany is just in the middle of europe so many mixed with them. The aristocracy of britain is heavily british.
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>>18363970
No, it's not. I don't mean Danish, Swedish, Norwegian etc., I mean German. Not Germanic. https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/26778/why-are-most-monarch ies-in-europe-of-german-descent
German, without the -ic. German.
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>>18364455
>American culture is anglo culture
As an Anglo I'm deeply offended
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>>18364560
If you don't like americans then you shouldn't call yourself an anglo. America was founded by wasps who are arguably more anglo that brits themselves. They realized the anglo-saxon values of freedom and individualism far more than anything directly in the UK. The majority of white americans aren't reliably anglo though.
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>>18364522
That doesn't change the fact that the base culture was built by anglos, as well as all the institutions and infrastructure. And nigger worship is widespread throughout the west, it's not like only america endures it.
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>>18364596
Who here is pretending to be english? You keep making that accusation, but it doesn't seem like anyone here is doing it. And fortunately attacking people personally doesn't change the fact that all your arguments have been refuted.
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PoleGODS won, even thread that was supposed to be about germany only talks about Poland
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always felt like german/nazi wank is some sort of weird american propaganda
Germans were historically quite backwards with a few exceptions. Look up Naturphilosophie, they were still wasting their time with this embarrassing bollocks well into the late 19th century.
The country is heavily populated and right in the middle of europe, thats why its somewhat wealthy. Even by those standards its nothing exceptional.
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>>18364276
Also forgotten dispute on old Nile question.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Lever
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>>18363575
Wilhelm did nothing wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEvXoNFPsyo
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>>18365925
Ethnic Germans actually, both in Germany and abroad.
jews unironically steal or claim German achievements because they are ethnic narcissists.
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>>18365964
it was the other way, germans were stealing and leeching from Jews
https://blogs.loc.gov/copyright/2022/04/the-seizure-of-jewish-intellec tual-property-ahead-of-world-war-ii /
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>>18363643
I mean there pro-Russian faction within Germany, including chancellor-prince Bülow. Meaning Germany opportunity could joined Entente instead Britain.
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>>18363557
I think mostly west Poland or Belarus
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>>18366857
No, France hated Germany's guts for annexing Alsace-Lorraine. Also the three emperors' alliance fell apart because Russia and Austro-Hungary competed for the Balkans and Germany threw its hat for the latter
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>>18366870
>The Fashoda Incident also had broader implications, including a temporary turnabout in France's revanchist policy toward Germany and the potential for a Franco-German alliance against Britain
France never care about Alsace-Lorraine at that time.
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>>18365418
>not particularly German
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>>18362008
>yes, you can be superior and still lose
Hilarious cope and admitting this undermines your argument.
Germans are livestock. They exist to perform labor. They cannot create, they cannot learn, and they cannot rule. But as human labor they are perfectly solid. Most of Europe understood this. Even Hitler was Austrian (Aka: Not real Germans).
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>>18362446
>Germans didn't even have a colonial empire
Yeah Britain had 20x more colonies and Germany was still superior in 1900. This is how powerful the united German Empire was. There is no shame in admitting that.
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>>18363733
Germnigger, at those thousands of years, the only point in time where Germany was stronger than France was in the second half of the XIX Century and first half of the XX.
Before that It was weaker and even the inheritance of Spain by the hapsburgs didn't save It. First the spanish hapsburgs were removed and latter the HRE was put out of It's misery by Napoleon. After that, aka today, Germany exists as long as France doesn't want to nuke It into oblivion.
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>>18362013
I don't care about whether Hitler was a retard who made mistakes that destroyed his country during WW2 I know that French people are almost identical to Germans and they refused to kill an 86 year old man after they arrested him for treason yet Israel kills Iran's Supreme Leader so even though I disagree with Nazis over their attempt to impose fascism in the entirety of Europe I agree with them about Jews not being human
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>>18362013
>Imagine if they actually had a competent leader
>German equivalent of Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
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>>18362008
>And even then, the Germans still came out on top by dominating the EU.
WE are not dominating the EU. It might seem like that is the case from a barely literate Eastern European working class person, who drives trucks for a German company, buys in a German supermarket and has his country's economy propped up by us. But that is just economics. Today we are a completely geopolitically neutralized country. We have no Grand Strategy. We are not dominating the EU to do anything in particular. Effectively we are just sponsoring France's little Imperialism project and preventing them from collapse, because their spending and debt is completely out of control.
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>>18362037
>With the notable exception of Napoleon, whose real decisive defeat came during the German campaign in the Battle of Nations
Wrong, you dumb fuck. It came in 1812, against the Russians.
Battle of the nations was only won due to Russian support, and Waterloo was irrelevant.
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>>18364586
You have no proof of him even being Polish, kek.
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>Make a thread to prove german superiority
>it's just filled with crying about muh poles muh browns muh russians muh french
Is german culture solely based on hating other countries?
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>>18369695
>Today we are a completely geopolitically neutralized country. We have no Grand Strategy. We are not dominating the EU to do anything in particular. Effectively we are just sponsoring France's little Imperialism project and preventing them from collapse, because their spending and debt is completely out of control.
That's because the EU has historically relied on the US for security, but now the tides are turning, as Germany rearms and will be the foremost military power in europe in addition to the foremost economic power. Your characterization is correct, but Germany chooses to maintain France's project. They have the power to do an about-face, and then the whole system falls apart without them.
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>>18370639
Black Lives Matter and so does every other human life! But of course Jews were never even human in the first place
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>>18370642
>Invades Poland
loses half of his territories forever
>Invades Iran
still the undisputed leader of all NATO countries
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>>18369726
>1900
Did you know Kaiser save Britain?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVuvUR3XEEY
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So to sum up this entire thread:
France > Germany
I don't give a fuck about capitulation after six weeks or propaganda produced by the Bush administration, France won culturally and has nuclear weapons. Germany is garbage.