religion is the only thing that matters

>>18362783
The Yugoslav Wars weren't fought over religion

>>18362786
Fanatical proselytizers are evil, Christian or Muslim, you are no different. The world would be better off without you people.

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I solved the Balkans.

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>>18362783
If the communists were serious about achieving a stateless future with no class differences they shouldn’t have divvied up the land based on religion or ethnicities but by random squares like we did in the USA when making states.

So instead of Catholic Croatia vs orthodoxy in Serbia and Islam in Kosovo- the red alternative would be just random squares every few miles like in pic related. Wyoming and Colorado are good examples. Then you wouldn’t have as much infighting today.

>>18362783
Croats and Slovenes do not want to share an economy and living space with e.g. Serbia and Kosovo because it's psychologically humiliating. Yugoslavia was kinda like the North-South Italy divide, except it was politically feasible for the richer parts of the union to secede, and there was residue simmering resentment from WW2

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this would be kino too

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>>18362801
That's how it was during the kingdom of Yugoslavia

>>18362791
Religious identity was fused with ethnic nationalism in the Yugoslav wars.

>>18362807
Yes but it wasn't the cause. You might as well say dialect caused the wars because it's a part of those national identities as well

>>18362797
enjoy hell ;)

>>18362783
Serbs killed it, but I guess Serbs might have been less retarded if they were Catholics or Muslims.

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>>18362802
>croatia
Only by a slight margin. Plus, it's a very shallow reason to give up continental relevance just to become a powerless EU state to Germany.
>>18362810
Except their dialects don't exist anymore, or not like they used to. It's as if Yorkshire would leave the union because the Mancunian accent was too unbearable. The only real thing that truly separates a Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian is religion. Saying you are an orthodox Croatian to any Yugoslav man is silly because that makes entirely no sense to them. In their eyes, you'd just be a Serb.

>>18362835
>The only real thing that truly separates a Serbian, Croatian, and Bosnian is religion
No it isn't, people here are effectively atheists, especially the younger ones

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>>18362835
>Only by a slight margin
Picrel is a typical post by a Croatian right-winger. These people aspire to be "civilized" like Germans and hate Serbs because Serbs have a Balkan/Turkish/primitive vibe. They do not want to share a state or a national identity with Serbs because they find it humiliating.

>>18363001
The role that Germany (or the Germanic race in general) plays in the South Slavic psyche truly cannot be overstated.
In Croatia for instance, both rightists and leftists are obsessed with Germany and want to emulate it. The right wing because of Germanic "high culture" and the left wing because of German liberalism and this perception that Germany got rid of its trashy nationalists.
Curiously enough leftists will often mock the Right's aspirations towards cultural Germanity out of spite, insisting Croatia is a primitive Balkan nation. Yet at the same time the Left also want to be Germans. There are in fact many self-loathing idioms in the Croatian vernacular that express this inherent racial inferiority complex, the psychological state of not-being-German.

>>18363001
s konja na magarca

>>18362783
>Their history is very closely linked
As neighbours, sure, but all neighbours are closely linked historically. You need more than that if you are to unify two or more ethnicities, even if they are so closely related that they should perhaps be called subethnicities. All-Catholic Czechoslovakia atleast had Greater Moravia in the early middle ages as a precedent, but by the 20th century they had grown apart too much, under German and Hungarian influence, to become one people again.
Yugoslavia, however, had no precedent whatsoever, atleast not one that included both Serbs and Croats. With or without the same religion it wasn't going to work and only happened in the first place because of the Italian threat. When the borders had been settled after WW1 major cracks immediately started to show.
Montenegro did have a precedent though as a statelet that had existed since the 17th century which was obviously enough for them to form their own identity, enabling their independence in 2006 after the Serbian rump state had become a pariah, and of course they didn't even have their own religion.
Only the Bosniak identity really did not go much deeper than religion, which shouldn't be surprising given they were literally only known as Muslims before WW2.
People underestimate way too much how much different historical paths undermines ethnic commonalities.

>>18363001
Serbia has sexier women

>>18363029
Too plastic

>>18362783
>their "languages" are only different in name.
To my understanding, this is partly because all four use a standard language based on Shtokavian; if the Croatian standard was based on Chakavian or Kajkavian, which are also spoken in Croatia, the difference would be more noticeable. (That said, it's true that Shtokavian is widely spoken natively in all four.)

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>>18363016
>Croatians really think that Hungarians and Germans occupying them for centuries was good because it made them slightly whiter than serbs.
Do croats really

>>18363118
Nobody here would use the term white in this context but that's the gist of it

>>18363023
>Yugoslavia, however, had no precedent whatsoever
The Kingdom of Bosnia and Stefan Dusan's Empire are some examples of a "shared precedent".Croatians, Serbs, and Bosniaks have all been under Ottoman or Habsburg rule, with counties shifting continuously between both giants. Still, a lack of a single medieval mega-state didn’t prevent nation-building elsewhere. Italy and Germany are both good examples that unified after centuries of fragmentation and deep regional identities.

>>18362835
>it's a very shallow reason to give up continental relevance just to become a powerless EU state to Germany
The alternative was a powerless subject of Milošević.

>>18363177
True. I have a question, though. Do you think Croatia would have remained if Serbia hadn't tried to centralise its power in Yugoslavia?

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>>18363118
Slovenes too. Recently they banned trumpets out of fear this demonic music might brownify them and make them less Mitteleuropean

>>18363205
the ban was really on gypsies from Kosovo or Serbia with trumpets and kettle drums going from bar to bar on Ljubljana's strand begging for change. And that is correct, Serbo-Croatian and Balkan culture is not native to Slovenia.

>>18363244
Oh I hate these people. When I was a waiter I had to kick these gypsy kids out every time because they were harassing the customers for money.

>>18363190
Nobody can know for sure. Nationalism already became mainstream in Croatia in the late 80s as an alternative identity to the dying communism but also if the Serbian government was less incendiary the break-up would've been avoided or at least more managed

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National identities explained

the more you learn, the more you realise that germanic people should just rule europe

>>18362835
Yugoslavia was formed in 1918 by Entente Rothschilds and Zionists capitalizing on the falling debris of the AustroHungarian Empire, with the bait of panslavism and stuff like that. Much like Czechoslovakia.

It has no depth, no roots, no history no nothing. Except a geopolitical, economical and cultural point perhaps.

It was an artificial constuct that couldn't just erase obliterate the factual narrative, the millenia that Croatia and Serbia historically existed in one way or the other, nor make croats or serbs forget their history and identity in favor of this new zionist creation disguised as Yugo-panslavism.

Slovenia, Bosnia, Kosovo, N.Mac and Montenegro are indeed unhistorical memes though.

>>18363811
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Committee
Don't see any Rothschilds there

>>18362835
There were Catholic Serbs in the Dubrovnik area. Even a Catholic Bishop was ethnically Serbian.

>>18362783
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslavs
Imagine if Tito had the balls to ban religion and had a cultural revolution like Mao, then there would be no Serbians, Croatians, Macedonians, Bosnians, etc JUST Yugoslavians vghhh

>>18362783
Seems like the biggest problem with Yugoslavia is that it was an ideology based on 'enemy of my enemy is my friend' and once the enemy was gone they turned on each other. The Serb ruling class wanted some revived Serbian Empire. Everyone else wanted a multi-lingual union similar to Switzerland.

>>18362786
*Race

>>18364045
A lot of countries formed like that. India had Britain, Italy had Austria, Germany had France. Heck even USA.

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>>18362783
>religion
you mean islam

>>18364002
It's not about religion.

>>18364083
That stuff doesn't apply to balkanic islam. Serbs acted like terrorists in Bosnia.

>>18364099
It literally is. Croats are just Catholic Serbians in Italian sphere of influence. Serbs are Orthodox Croats in Russian sphere. Slovenians are German/ Austrian sphere of Influence. Kosovo and Bosnia are just Muslim versions of Serbs. You’re all the same but balkanized (lol) a hundred different ways by outside powers.

>>18364160
Nobody cares about differences in religion per se. The average Croat has no idea what the Orthodox Church even believes or how exactly it differs from Catholicism. These aren't the Crusades

>>18364179
Religion has always been historically the biggest divider for south slavs. It shaped culture, holidays, political alignment, etc.

>>18364179
>>18364196
Religion is just used as identity the same way Ireland is divided between Caths and prots. It doesn’t matter if the average person in Zagreb doesn’t know who the Patriarch of Moscow is. Catholicism is part of the Croatian identity to align with Italy and Europe while Orthodoxy is part of Serb identity to align with Russia.

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>>18363746
the last remaining balkan nations

>>18364160
It's not about religion but about vibes and geopolitical power relations. Saying that Croats hate Serbs because of Orthodoxy and that Serbs hate Croats because of Catholicism is like saying Anglos hate Indians because of Hinduism and Indians hate Anglos because of Christianity

In The Mountain Wreath Njegoš calls the Croatian nation "brothers", since they are Christian Slavs opposing the Islamic Turks.

Albnians also stick together despite religious differences.

>>18363029
lmao

>>18364697
Thats a bad example

>>18364809
Why?

>>18364810
English people hate Indians mostly because they are brown. Anglo-Indian conflict is mostly colonial, not religious. Anglos hate Paki's, for example, because they are muslim because hating muslims is part of European identity (also because they are brown). It's a very big stretch to compare with South Slavs.

>>18364834
>English people hate Indians mostly because they are brown.
Do you think Croats hate Serbs because they're Orthodox? I can tell you're not from ex-Yugoslavia.
Why do you think Croats are fine with Ukrainian immigrants and mostly support Ukraine even though Ukrainians are Orthodox?
>Anglo-Indian conflict is mostly colonial, not religious.
Yes, and Croat-Serb conflict is also geopolitical in nature. Go read the writings of 19th century Croat and Serb nationalists like Starčević and Garašanin, even back then they framed it all in terms of geopolitics and culture.

To understand the Balkans you have to understand what is an enemy, westoids have no concept of this

>>18364849
Reddit Orientalism

>>18364854
no, westoids percieve enemies based on interest and competition, we are enemies from birth and it's metaphysical

>>18364845
Wow, you are completely right, Serbia is totally like England, and Croatia is Indian. Their cause is indistinguishable. Thanks for red pilling me on this

>>18364866
Do you honestly believe that Croats and Serbs hate each other because they care deeply about the right way to worship Jesus?

>>18362783
>Can we all agree that something that is not true actually is true?
no, we can't

>>18364874
Not that guy but it’s a central part of their identity like how being Catholic is part of Irish identity and so is hating Britain - being Catholic and civilized European is part of Croat identity and hating Serbia and Russia too.

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>Yugos be like "It's not just religion"
Meanwhile the Slovaks who went there literally a mere 20 years before the start of Nationalism among would-be Slovaks formed two distinct nationalities in Vojvodina.
And guess based on what? The Greek Orthodox became "Russians" - Rusi, the Protestants became "Slavs" - Slovaci. Why yes, one of these even use fucking cyrillic... it's well beyond a fucking parody.

Utterly unhinged from the perspective of the people in Czechoslovakia or the modern states.
For fuck's sake, you could send English colonists there and find Anglican "English" fighting Catholic "Irish" and Evangelical "Americans" or someshit in a generation or two. Despite all being extracted from neighbouring blocks of Victorian London and speaking English to each other.
Can't forget Latin/Gothic/Comic Sans being the script chosen for their respective writing systems, just to drive it all home.

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>>18364972
>Yugos be like "It's not just religion"
Yes, the break-up of Yugoslavia wasn't because of "just religion". Idk what your cope about Slovaks has to do with anything

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>>18362835
Only Croats and Kosovars are happy Yugoslavia imploded

>>18365149
It's an example of a foreign ethnicity, exposed to the local environment and ideas, produced the exact same absurd divisions as the Negro-Bosno-Serbo-Cretins.

Identical language, geographic origin and history were all completely ignored.
They picked up the religion and built their ethnicity around their religion and solely their religion.
Just like their hosts had done and continue to do so.

>>18362835
Religion is sometimes used as unifying force to expand territory. Greeks consider any orthodox Albanian as Greek. That’s why their numbers in Albania are so inflated by Greek sources. This also goes for Çam in Greece that are all considered Greek because they are orthodox. The Muslim Çam were all exiled to Albania. In fact most Albanians don’t even know that there are Orthodox Çam.
t. Orthodox Alboon

>>18363016
>There are in fact many self-loathing idioms in the Croatian vernacular that express this inherent racial inferiority complex, the psychological state of not-being-German.
Such as?

>>18362783
American imperialism was the driving factor, but yes, religion was used to manifacture "ethnic" tension to fracture the whole in smaller pices so the conquest would be easier.

>>18367157
>American imperialism
Didn't happen

>>18362783
You mean judeochristians constantly trying to genocide innocent muslims in bosnia and albania?

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>>18367232
>byzantrannies
Lol, lmfao even

>>18367194
Thanks for your input Pakistani Vro

>>18362799
Italian calling someone a gypsie

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>>18362799
>>18367262

>>18367194
judeo christian term makes no sense and i don't like it

>>18367319
Yeah, "Judaism and Christianity but not Islam" is a gerrymandered category.

>>18367186
Lol, there are 3 military us bases in fry, and americans traffic drugs and humans, control the natural resources, and their other colonies control industry.

>>18362783
I'm friends with many a post-yugoslav and my ultimate takeaway is that marxism functioned as the religion to unify them all, but was sadly ripped from their hands after their Godhead Tito died and no one strong enough to stand up to the Three-Headed ZioBeast. I think the true cause of Yugoslavia's destruction was their failure to secure nuclear arms, it also would have ideologically strengthened them, as seen in France. If Milosevic had nukes the world would be a much better place

for some reason the powers that be really hate a balkan based power emerging, so yugoslavia had to go

>>18368764
>>18368774
>>18368776
Imagine being retarded enough to believe the US broke up Yugoslavia

>>18365631
>They picked up the religion and built their ethnicity around their religion and solely their religion
But they didn't. Croats built their ethnicity around sucking up to Germans while Serbs built their ethnicity about being a permaraped rape victim who has been raped by "the West"

>>18368793
>raped by "the West"
And also by the Ottomans

While I think the break up of Yugoslavia is dumb it’s kind of funny seeing Anglo countries of all people getting up in arms about it.

As if America/Canada, Australia/New Zealand, north/south Ireland, etc aren't almost entirely culturally/linguistically identical (arguably more so than Yugoslavia). In the end of the day national identities aren't based off of what “makes sense” but on history.

>>18362783
>tried to ethnically cleanse each other over something so incredibly petty.
The cleansings weren't because of different dialects or religious denominations but because of "antifascism"
>that guy is a fascist who wants to kill me, I better kill him before he kills me
See also: the war in Ukraine

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>>18362799

>>18362783
Skin idolater
>>18362786
fpbp

>>18362797
>Fanatical proselytizers are evil
>fanatical proselytizer for nazism

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Why did Yugoslavian "workers' self-management" fail so hard?

>>18368784
I honestly hope that some agency is paying you to shill, because i can't imagine the sorrow of a father whose son is as retarded as you.

>>18369033
>saar da yooesay made us chimp out saar

>>18368869
because yugoslavia was never socialist and was still dominated by then west and bourgeoisie

>>18362783
No religion didnt kill the region. Serbia is a nation thats only purpose is to kill the sultan - see Milos Obilic. Croatia is a nation that has no purpose and tries to define itself by showing how they're not like Serbs. Neither group is working towards their puprose and are therefore dysfunctional and once they achieve their goal they will be obsolete.

Everyone in this thread is either too white or too brown to understand.

>>18362810
true but the different identites were fundementally founded on religious differences since hundreds of years ago.
Religion was the greater divide, and then other divides such as dilect and nationality added to the list, but religion was the inception.

>>18363162
>The Kingdom of Bosnia and Stefan Dusan's Empire
Largely irrelevant for non-Bosnians and non-Serbs respectively, neither was anywhere near to being a proto-Yugoslavia.
>Ottomans
The fight against the Ottoman yoke is basically the only major shared experience they have between the ancient migration and the formation of Yugoslavia, but it ended already in the 18th century for the Croats while it carried on for the Serbs all the way until the Balkan Wars. The latter might honestly have been better off going for a union with the Bulgarians instead, though obviously that would have required a language standard based on an eastern dialect..
>Habsburgs
If Austria had managed to conquer Serbia Croats and Serbs could have formed a cohesive block within the empire, but they didn't. Instead Serbia got its own state that the Serbs in the empire wanted to join while the Croats only wanted greater autonomy under the Habsburgs.
>Italy and Germany
The Germans always had the HRE, which was never as meaningless as Voltaire would have you believe. Note that German nationalism failed to take root among the Dutch and the Swiss, i.e. the Germans who had left the HRE several centuries before its dissolution.
Italy is a bit weird to me though, or atleast Sicily(and Naples) is as I feel like such a large, distinct, and completely separate kingdom should have formed its own national identity. Whatever happened happened early though as it was during the Rennaisance that all of Italy got a common literary standard, the Tuscan dialect. Serbo-Croatian didn't get one until the 19th century, and even then they used different scripts, preventing the free flow of literature between them.

>>18362783
"Religion" is a funny nickname for Bill Clinton tbqh

>>18369312
Yugoslavia was a perfect solition in theory,and it worked pretty well from 1946-1991, but if if's and but's were treats and nuts, we'd have a wonderful christmas.

>>18369355
Clinton didn't make JNA assault Vukovar

>>18363746
> Slavs are brown
Retard alert.

>>18369262
Croats and Serbs as tribes/ethnicities existed before the East-West Schism thoughbeit

>>18369651
Kind of but not really, what are now Serbs and Croats is a product of 19th century nation state building that incorporated multiple ethnicities in them. Western Serbia for serbs and Slavonia for Croats were always inhanitet by people that considered themselves serbs or croats, but it's highly questionable what people considered themselves in the restof the country trough hidtory

>>18369680
>what are now Serbs and Croats is a product of 19th century nation state building
The 19th century is overrated when it comes to this. Croatian and Serbian identities existed prior to it

>>18369692
Not really, those ideas of serbian an croatian states came about in parts that were 90-100% ethnically clean at the time, and spread on other parts that are part of those states that weren't.

>>18362783
we are just low IQ retards that would kill each other even if we shared one religion

>>18362783
In my understanding, the later conflicts were just continuations of the conflict when they first unified. The problem when they unified into Yugoslavia is that Croatia had an Austro-Hungarian background (with more wealth and Western education and ideas), whereas Serbia had a more Eastern background and had already been independent for a century. Because they had diverged for such a long time, there were important cultural differences (religion and language, especially) and it was impossible to pretend all parts of Yugoslavia were the same. The fact that the Serbian king decided on a unitary, centralized state based on the Serbian monarchy inflamed the Croatians (who felt entitled to better representation), and tensions were ignited even until the present day.

>>18369781
Formation of nation-states (or ethnostates in modern lingo) != national identity in general

>>18362786
Senoooor

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>ctrl+f: markovic reforms
>0 results
ITT: brainlet /his/ troons with a superficial knowledge of FNRJ/SFRJ writing 100+ posts based on maymays and YouTube videos they ingested over the years kek the country slowly began to fall aparat as soon as the Marshall plan money dried up, commie "self-governance" turned out to be a farce and all that transpired in the 90s is the messy divorce process in a essentialy bankrupt country between the republic commie parties. TLDR: economy crashed, berlin wall fell and the commies in charge needed a chimpout to justify the fact that they formed bew democratic parties out old republic commie parties filled with, you guessed it, same old commies

>>18369572
Tito's Yugoslavia "worked pretty well" by just suppressing any and all dissent, not by creating a unified identity.

>>18362783
>religion
Literally no one cares about religion and it didn't matter in the wars.
>history
Some parts were 500 years under a Muslim empire and others were 0, the difference is obvious even today. Even before the Ottomans Serbia was mingling with Bulgaria, Greeks and the Byzantine-Orthodox world more. Besides Ottoman era Serbian, Vlach and Herzegovinan immigrants in some parts of Croatia the two nations had no history prior to the 20. century.
>language
"Serbo-Croatian" is an artifical creation made for the sole purpose of creating Yugoslavia. The traditional languages and dialects had been diverging for centuries. Even today Croats won't understand each other within Croatia if they speak their regional dialects instead of the standard, and that's only within Croatia.

>>18370458
It would have worked if it lasted a couple more generations and Serbo-Croatian was pushed more heavily in Slovenia, Kosovo and North Macedonia

>>18370525
Tito should have chosen a strong successor and retired earlier rather than letting everything fall apart after he died

>>18370442
/thread

>>18363205
>>18363244
dubs of truth, or truthiness anyway.
trumpets have always had a place in European music and I doubt Laibach has a problem even with (say) jazz.
But gypsies roaming around scamming tourists and annoying customers like mariachis in bad Mexican restaurants has to be annoying anywhere.

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>>18362783
>go to Zagreb, mittleevropan town called Agram
>expect to see clean streets, trimmed gardens, maintained Austrian-era buildings and civilized people, probably not as good as in Austria but maybe like Poland
>it's actually trash and holes everywhere, overgrown with weeds, collapsing buildings (please understand there was an earthquake billions of years ago) and the people are sunkissed with hooked nossed often called Jovanovich and Popovich that listen to oriental music very loudly in their cars and bars that they call kafanas, and when there is a party like a wedding they sometimes shoot guns in the air with their friends called komshie
>of course they are all Croatian patriots that love a guy called Thomson the most just like everyone back home in Livno and Mostar where bayraktar proudly waves the Croatian flags
>a random pakistani takeaway worker I find says the Croats condiser boorek and chevap their national dishes and that they are very nice people and it feels just like his home in Islamabad
TLDR Croatia was obviously always like Serbia. Making Yugoslavia was a good thing to unite likeminded nations from Varazdin to Skopje, from Opatija to Kragujevac. Hopefully Serbocroats realize this and call the prospering, democratic and very functioning city of Belgrade their capital again!

>>18370525
or if kosovo were just handed over to the Albanians (except maybe Mitrovica), and Macedonians just left alone to bugger sheep and annoy Greeks. Slovenia I dunno, they really did seem to want to be Slavic Austria.

>>18370579
The question of the thread is how Yugoslavia could have been preserved with full territorial integrity.

Otherwise I agree with giving Kosovo to the Albanians and "Macedonia" to the Bulgarians. Slovenia can do whatever tbqh

>>18370578
Outsiders are probably laughing their asses off at Croatian nationalism and the insistence that Croats and Serbs are culturally super duper different from each other

>>18370578
>bayraktar
barjaktar*
Bayraktar is some Ukraine war weapon

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>>18370578
>>18371040
Funnily enough it's now the Croatian left/liberals that are trying to damage control over this
>xyrrrr these are not actual Agramers or Zagorci xyrrrrr they are actually Herzegovinian immigrants iz Livana, Duvana i ostalih govana xyrrrr real Croats support trans rights and do not act like savages xyrrrr

>>18370442
Lots of words to say essentially nothing
>dood it was da economy
Already addressed itt

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>>18370578
>>18371040
>>18371059
>mfw the thread is filled with s*rbs larping as croats saying there is no difference between us corroborated by their imbecilic propaganda
kys turkish pieces of shit lmao jebem vam đojlensko-opančarske majke smrdljiva smrdska govna
>>18370442
it's interesting how nobody responded to the best post in thread, I would only add that it was the s*rb commie leadership who started with the jingoism in the 80s, refused to reform SFRJ into a confederation and tried to make a unitary s*rboslavia.

>>18371062
>Lots of words to say essentially nothing
interesting that you say that to one of the few posts in the thread that is actually based in reality and not memes
>Already addressed itt
outright lying sack of shill shit

>>18371066
>to the best post in thread
How is it the best post in the thread? It's pretty dumb
>TLDR: economy crashed, berlin wall fell and the commies in charge needed a chimpout to justify the fact that they formed bew democratic parties out old republic commie parties filled with, you guessed it, same old commies
So the wars were orchestrated by commie elites to... uh... justify their democratic makeover or something? This is just "ko nas bre zavadi" but dumber

>>18371066
>s*rbs larping as croats saying there is no difference between us corroborated by their imbecilic propaganda
Can you actually explain how Croats are more culturally Mitteleuropean than Serbs? Actual, concrete examples

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>>18371071
you either lack the attention span to understand his post or you're dumbass s*rb retard. the commie elites managed to split tens of billions of dollars worth of property outside of SFRJ without problem, the problem arose inside SFRJ because AVNOJ internal borders weren't Internationalu recognized and filthy s*rb commies (controlling the JNA/KOS/TO structures) wanted to reform the country into a unitary state. answer me why did the SRH UDB returned passport to Tuđman in late 80s and organized his trips to WEF in Davos and his tours to croatian ultranacionalist emigration in Canada, USA, Australia, Germany etc.
>ko nas bre zavadi
dumbass s*rb piece of shit kek
>>18371074
>mfw this retard thinks the only difference between Croats and s*rbs is the fact that the former spent 800 years under austro-hungarian rule and latter spent 500 years under ottoman ruke
you do realize that there is a dominant mediterranian influence in all of coastal Croatia? of course you don't, you landlocked turkish cumrags kek you s*rb subhuman retards simply can't cope with the fact that you pieces of shit STOLE our language and you are so braindead that you claim that using the "same" language we are the same. explain to english speaking posters how come Croats published their grammar/dictionary (Vrančić/Kašić - both belonging to mediterranian cultural circles) 200 years before a certain uneducated s*rb peasant (Vuk KS) went to Vienna to write s*rb grammar/dictionary outright saying in the ingroduction that he copied the works of croatian jezuits LMAO now fuck off you s*rboturk piece of shit, you will never be like us and you will always remain a schizo landlocked paria, seethe and cope

>>18362783
>Can we all agree that religion killed this nation?
yes and that religion is called being a serb

>>18371078
>Croats published their grammar/dictionary (Vrančić/Kašić - both belonging to mediterranian cultural circles) 200 years before a certain uneducated s*rb peasant (Vuk KS) went to Vienna to write s*rb grammar/dictionary outright saying in the ingroduction that he copied the works of croatian jezuits
How is this relevant to anything?
Croatian literature is older and more advanced than Finnish or Dutch literature. Is this supposed to mean that the Netherlands is culturally closer to Serbia than Germany?
Why is it relevant what a handful of educated elites were doing centuries ago when Croats and Serbs have the same language, listen to the same music, have the same general cultural points of reference, etc?
Literally the only difference is (geo)political, in that Croats want to be fully integrated with whatever Western Europe is doing at a given moment while Serbs are into petty imperialism against their neighbors. That's the only difference that matters and is at the core of everything.

>>18371078
Yes, I see, the Serbs are schizos, thank you.

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>>18371117
>How is this relevant to anything?
it is relevant because the MAIN argument that we are culturally the same is that we share the SAME language you brainlet
>Croatian literature is older and more advanced than Finnish or Dutch literature. Is this supposed to mean that the Netherlands is culturally closer to Serbia than Germany?
no, nor did I imply that you cretin
>Why is it relevant what a handful of educated elites were doing centuries ago when Croats and Serbs have the same language
OUR language they STOLE
>listen to the same music
literally not true, croats from BiH mostly listen to shitty oriental-turkish piece of shit s*rb music
>have the same general cultural points of reference
but we don't you fucking retard, we are connected by catholicism and AH monarchy to the west, s*rbs are connected by orthodoxy and turkish occupation to the east
>Literally the only difference is (geo)political, in that Croats want to be fully integrated with whatever Western Europe is doing at a given moment while Serbs are into petty imperialism against their neighbors. That's the only difference that matters and is at the core of everything.
it is not, you're a s*rb and you can cope and seethe all you want because you're a part of a schizo nation that is the main instability factor in the western balkans for the last 200 years

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>>18371040
Croatian far right, neonazis and such base their political belief on Ante Pavelić, a Bosnian man that loved islam and it's culture and hated Serbs for some reason (even though Serbs are culturally borderline islamic gypsies). The fact that Croatia is now flooded with nationalistic Bosnian Catholics from the shitholes of the Ottoman empire that behave like Serbs, dance with Serbs, talk like Serbs, have the same names like Serbs, consume Serbian culutral outputs but really really really want to make you believe they hate Serbs is actually so hilarious and sad. Mind you this only happened in the last century, before that they were contained within the military frontier and Bosnia but now they squat in all major Croatian towns. It's like negro culture in the US and negros claiming they were oppressed while they are literally everywhere and you can't escape their obnoxious negro music and rituals.

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>>18371078
>>18371149
Croatian right-wingers will angrily type a gorillion words to prove they're not like Serbs and then import like half a million immigrants from Nepal, India and Philippines.

>>18371149
>but we don't you fucking retard, we are connected by catholicism and AH monarchy to the west, s*rbs are connected by orthodoxy and turkish occupation to the east
I ask again, what does this mean in concrete terms?
Because it's just vibes really. It's just that Serbs have a goofy hick-sounding accent/dialect and that's it. Croatian hate against Serbs is like coastal American hate against Southerners. Serbs and rednecks sound uncouth or something

Luka Buljanović

>>18371152
>>18371157
>>18371161
degenerate serb hands typed all these posts lmao

the amount of serbs in this thread is disturbing, mods please ban the schizophrenic imbreds shitting up this board with their pilpul

doslovno niko ne želi da ima veze s vama retardima arogantnima jebem li vam đecu prokletu i retardiranu

t.crnogorac

>>18368784
That's lieterally what happened tho

>>18371370
It literally isn't

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>>18363001
Both Croatia and Slovenia are culturally void (the exception is Dubrovnik, which was, incidentally, a massive Pan-Slavic hub and a center of Slavic learning after the traditional centers of Slavic civilization, Serbia and Bulgaria, were Ottoman'd), and were never culturally superior to the Serbs. The fact of the matter is that the Unipolar West (meaning, us Americans and our doggies) destroyed Yugoslavia because Yugoslavia repeatedly refused to join NATO and the West, and we didn't want to leave the only OTHER* global power standing in the aftermath of the Cold War. The problem is, Germany prevented Yugoslavia's accession to the EEC in late 1990 and triggered the Yugoslav Wars, and repeatedly prevented the implementation of all peaceful resolutions of these wars. I mean, we did install Milosevic to internally destabilize Yugoslavia and make it evident to Ante Markovic that he has to steer the government towards the West, even if it means accepting the confederalization of Yugoslavia (read: we get to lobby within the federated republics with even greater effect to cripple Yugoslavia's foreign policy and gain access to their resources and industry, steering them even more to NATO). With Yugoslavia destroyed and the Soviet Union and China surrendering to us like little hussies, the entire planet, even the NAM countries, became USA property. The problem is, we overextended in the 1990s, and we kept doing so, and now, we're risking it all with Iran and Israel.

This shit wouldn't have happened if Yugoslavia were still around, and paradoxically, a people so aggressive and choleric within their own borders have had a globally stabilizing effect, especially in the Third World. TLDR: Germany killed Europe and the West.

>>18363016
>South Slavic psyche
That's just Croats and Slovenes after Matica Hrvatska was created (before that, Croats were giga Pan-Slavists and opposed to Germans).

>>18363001
>Germanic countries
>high culture

>>18362783
No, Germany's foreign policy, which, in Europe, relies heavily on the systematic destruction of the South Slavs, especially any united, powerful South Slavic state, killed Yugoslavia.

>>18371370
Homeboy, our own Deputy Secretary of State had outright admitted that it is so back in 2005. >>18371420

>homeboy
goat of /cum/gen larping as multiple foreigners having strong opinions on this issue will never stop being funny

>>18371447
:))

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>>18362783
That's not true at all. The Slovaks were so Germanized, they would have basically never left the Austrian Empire, if not for outside intervention. Half of them already assimilated into Austrians long ago.

Then there are the Croats. They were culturally Germanized and thus became more Western. They are the most Western of the Balkan people, besides the Slovaks. They became influenced by German Pan-Nationalism and wanted to try it in their own country. They actually believed in the lofty idea of having a unified nation-state, they thought the Kingdom of Serbia might be their Prussia. They were living in a romantic fantasy world. They came up with the intellectual origin of Yugoslavia. They were the first advocats for a Yugoslavia. Blue-eyed, naive, high trust, almost like the Westerners.

What they got was a nightmare. The Serbians are an Eastern people. Like all Asiatics they are naturally inclined towards Despotic rule. They looked at the bright-eyed Croats offering them their country and just annexed and oppressed them. The idea of Yugoslavia might have been theoretically many things, but for the Serbs it just meant every Croat should turn into a Serb. It was purely one-directional. The Croats were betrayed. No wonder they sperged out at the Serbs later and genocided them for a bit. They basically voluntarily joined a tiny version of the Ottoman Empire after always avoiding that fate throughout the last half a thousand years.

Vojvodina is also a tale for another time, but the Serbs were basically accepted as refugees, who fled from the Turks and then decided to steal that territory from Austria/Hungary like the ungrateful thieves they are. And they did similar things in every single region in the balkan, where they are the majority, trying to steal as much from Croatia as possible.