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Why are Jews so upset by Jesus even 2001+ 25 years on? If the messiah came today instead of 2001+25 years ago, would Jews still call to have him crucified despite modern social mores?
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>>18365770
It probably has something to do with the synagogue of satan comment. But they should get over it, because that comment is not against jews. Its against people who claim to be jews, and are not jews. If they are true jews, then it's not a comment against them.
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>>18365770
I'll assume this question is asked in good faith, but I can only give you my perspective as an individual Jewish person. Since there is no Jewish hivemind someone else would probably have a different answer.
>Why are Jews so upset by Jesus even 2001+ 25 years on?
I wouldn't say I am "upset" by him, but I do not think he had any divinity, and was just one of many rebel rousers in 1st century Judea, a very turbulent and violent time and place, who wanted to change things and got killed by the brutal Roman and Jewish authorities as a result. That a cult was created out of his movement that survived and ultimately became the most successful cult of the Roman world is remarkable but a reflection of the energy and good works of successive generations of followers, not due to the prophet himself.
>If the messiah came today instead of 2001+25 years ago, would Jews still call to have him crucified despite modern social mores?
Well it would be very difficult for me to hail anyone as a messiah. I don't believe in such things, so it would require a lot to convince me. But I certainly wouldn't call for anyone's crucifixion for them claiming to be a messianic figure. That's barbaric. I'm against capital punishment entirely, and certainly I don't think someone should be punished like that just for saying stupid shit. Even Trump claims to be a messianic figure, during his 2nd inaugural address he literally said God had intervened to prevent him from dying during that assassination attempt, because God wanted Trump to save America. I don't think he should be killed for that, I just roll my eyes and think what a foolish thing to say.
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>>18365770
For jews its not enough to murder God and invent clever loopholes to try and bypass his rules (none work btw, hes not a fool), they also need to feel like they are victims when faced with his justice. From this false victimhood comes an immense hatred of all that is good in the world.
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>>18365773
>I do not think he had any divinity
Your words are aligned with the gospel.
The gospel is deliberately ambiguous on this.
“I will also ask you a question. Tell me about John’s about baptism. Was it from heaven, or of human origin?”
They discussed it among themselves... and then said, “We don’t know where it was from.”
Jesus said, “Neither will I tell you by what authority I am doing these things.”
>it would be very difficult for me to hail anyone as a messiah. I don't believe in such things
In regard to this, Jesus says this:
Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah"
Words can be manipulated and misunderstood, that is why we are instructed to judge false prophets based on their fruit, and not process words in a vacuum.
The things we discuss here online need context to have any complete and final judgement of its truth.
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Jesus according to the New Testament was convicted and executed for blasphemy. Something that (outside of a few shithole countries) doesn't happen these days. Plenty of people have claimed to be god and no one crucifies them, they generally get psychiatric care or become cult leaders.
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>>18365798
While executions remain rare and confined to a handful of countries (As you have pointed out), broader oppression still affects hundreds of millions, and occurs in dozens of nations. This includes imprisonment, torture, forced recantation, family/societal pressure, job loss, exile, mob violence, or legal harassment, often under blasphemy, apostasy, or "insulting religion" laws, or as part of authoritarian control over thought/morality. And this is just religion. If we expand the definition to God, to reflect a secular understanding of a moral framework, or logical point of righteousness, then over half the world's population (~4.25 billion people in 42 countries) lives where press freedom is in a "very serious" crisis.
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>>18365838
And many of the Christians here are very clear, they are fine with that as long as the religion it is illegal to insult or commit blasphemy against is theirs. They extend this to protecting the white race, something Jesus was clearly passionate about.
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So is your religion a TV show?
Because you have to compete for prices...
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>>18365770
Tbh the jewish neuroses is much less about the carpenter and much more about his followers. By himself, Jesus is somewhat unimportant to the Jewish religion, but European jews have a very long history of mutual hatred with European Christians, as you may know. And this leads to current jews being constantly on the lookout for anything smelling too much like a Muzhik or (god forbid) a Cossack. They perceive (wrongfully or not) expressions of Christian Nationalism (for lack of a better term) as a prelude to oppression.
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>>18365798
The coming of the messiah would be such a threat that rich and powerful jews would surely falsely accuse him of being a cult leader and assassinate him to shut it down. Or do you believe all those whistleblowers randomly fell out of windows?
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>>18365899
Assasination is an extralegal thing, I was talking about the Roman legal system which condemned Rabbi Jesus to appease other Jews.
Plenty of cult leaders are able to operate with impunity, Moonies and Mormons and Scientologists and Jehovah's Witnesses, for a few examples. Besides, Jesus said his "kingdom is not of this world" so he wasn't really a threat to the political establishment just a religious figure.
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>>18365900
Though the Jews when executing don't crucify, they behead. Crucifixion is a specifically Roman method of execution. Which makes the Bible's belabored exoneration of the Roman state and the Roman nation very funny in context. Leaving aside the obviously polemical parts.
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>>18365770
Over three quarters of Jews are atheists which makes that even sillier, there's not really a theological argument for it like Jesus was a false messiah I will burn in Hell for worshiping him like there might have been 600 years ago.
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The-God created Zionist lsraeI to break the backs of the Arab collective and to vanquish Christians from the Near East.
We will watch reluctantly, and once enough De-Arabization and De-Christianization has been achieved, we will take it all back just like we did every other time.
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>>18367418
It really wasn't. That's the Chrotian polemical account of Judaism, but the religion itself isn't really interested in dealing with Christianity any more than it absolutely has to, as demonstrated by how little the Talmud actually talks about Christians.
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>>18368035
Yes. And? It also says Emperor Titus had a massive gnat eating his brain and that's how he died. Does this mean Divus Titus is the one true God and the entire Jewish religion was created to Refute Titusism?
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>>18368059
By the way, iirc the Talmud alludes to jesus a single digit amount of times (fact check me if I'm wrong, though) often in passing. The Talmudic rabbis spend a lot more time raging about the two powers in heaven heresy, but you don't see anyone making a big deal out of that.
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>>18365770
Jews murdered Jesus because he told them they constitute only one branch of the family tree which is of God. The jews cope and seethe about it to this very day, and do everything in their power to corrupt the teachings of Christianity in order to position themselves alone upon the throne of heaven. Sadly, many have been deceived by the synagogue of satan and believe the lies of jews in this matter.
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>>18369928
>biblical jews are the same as modern jews who rejected the messiah
Christianity is extremely antisemitic so your claims are absurd. You are participating in a mossad funded divide and conquer psyop to turn the "alt-right" away from the "christian right".
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>>18369930
>circumcizes himself
>teaches moses to his kids
>donates to israel
>bows down to a rabbi
>venerates a pharisee
>calls israel the holy land
>kills people who do not adopt jewish culture and mythology
>fights wars for jerusalem
>i-it's not jewish
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>>18369942
Why haven't you addressed the bible quote in my image?
How many countries have jews been expelled from?
What is your idea of "substantial"?
When restrictions on Jews were lifted in the 20th century, was Christianity on the incline or a decline?
Why do jews screech, cry and have panic attacks over Christianity to this day as OP proves?
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>>18369963
>christjews lying about the true nature of their psyop cult
typical
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>>18369963
Truth. For 1,500 years when Christianity reigned Jews were totally powerless, lived in shtetls, and were routinely massacred and expelled. They gained liberation only since the Enlightenment when secularism triumphed.
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>>18369967
This is a christian lie as well
Under christianity jews were a protected and privileged class while they killed nonabrahamic faiths
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>>18369965
noahides aren't christians, jews aren't israel, and worship doesn't provide salvation
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>>18370005
this post is meaningless when 99% of christians suck jewish dick
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>>18370197
the bible explicitly forbids christians from usury and explicitly allows jews usury lmao
it worked as intended
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>>18365777
They dont murder god they just worship Venus who benefited from his destruction by intercepting everything of his. He "was" another orb that used to exist and is no longer visible. And now everyone confuses this dumb upside-down planet Venus with his place and benefit the great cunt.
Now they are desperately trying to convert Jesus into a woman and say Jesus and Ishtar are the same and its just basically miscommunication done by them for thousands of years.
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>>18367469
No the Jews are actually Legend of Zelda players and they want to prevent the Triforce from reuniting because it represents the Holy Trinity of Allah the Iranian people's spiritualism and the Second Coming of Jesus Christ who was none other than Supreme Leader Khamenei
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>>18370698
Christianity is 100% controlled by the Jews it's the one thing that got all of Netanyahu's biggest allies elected as right-wing politicians in America Italy and Greece just as Epstein planned! It's Shia Islam that's based and of course the whole Mahdi prophesy is much more faithful to the teachings of Jesus Christ than either the Pope of the evil Eastern Church of Russia's communist ever will be
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>>18370690
I mean there is evidence for a certain degree of toleration of pagans in the christian middle east well into the medieval period. That said the fortunes of (Western) European pagans tended to be rather grimmer.