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Ketef Hinnom Scrolls circa 600 B.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketef_Hinnom_scrolls

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Literally the Arron Priest Blessing .

okay so weird question, do you think the fact that they dug up a fortified city in the approximate location where Troy was supposed to be is proof that Achlles fought a river god nearby?
Why or why not?

>>18366632
The 2nd century BC Greek writer Eratosthenes dated the Sack of Troy to have specifically happened on June 11, 1184 BC (he used calculation methods that are unfortunately lost), and this actually aligns with what we’ve found in archeology. Troy was indeed a real city, it was originally known as Wiluša (which is also the etymological origin of “Ilion,” a euphemism for the city commonly used in the Iliad), it spoke either Luwian, Lydian, or some other Anatolian language and was a vassal state of the Hittite Empire. Around the time period Eratosthenes dated the Trojan War to, Wiluša was destroyed by the Mycenaean Greeks in a series of sieges that were part of the wider Bronze Age collapse in which several empires and city states across the Near East were destroyed by the “Sea Peoples,” a tribal confederation of seafarers who are believed to be of mostly Greek origin.

While some of the tribes of the Sea Peoples came from other places (the “Shekelesh” were Sicilians and the “Sherden” were Sardinians), most of them came from the Aegean area and some of their names actually correspond with names used for the Greek forces in the Iliad, such as the “Denyen” which corresponds with the Danaans and the “Ekwesh” which corresponds with the Achaeans (Achaean and Ekwesh also correspond with “Ahhiyawa,” the name used for Greece in Hittite records). There was also the “Lukka” who were basically Lycians and the “Peleset” which many scholars agree are the Philistines mentioned in the Old Testament and due to Philistine pottery having a distinctly Aegean look, it is believed the Philistines are of Greek origin.

After the Bronze Age collapse, Greece fell into a dark age and writing wouldn’t return to Greece until 800 BC. By that time, due to centuries of oral tradition, the events of the Mycenaean period would have essentially become legendary.

>>18366624
Apparently the Tower of Babel was actually a Ziggurat in Babylon, and the original story comes from a tongue-in-cheek commentary on the fact that the tower was never finished for whatever reason because the Old Hebrew word for confusion sounds similar to their word for Babylon itself

>>18366624
The fact that a lot of cultures around the world tell of a great flood.

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Mesha Stele: circa 840 discusses the God of Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesha_Stele

>>18366634
Did you run this through a AI or are you a fucking retard actually trying to communicate?

>>18366632
I am simply stating the fact that biblical Judea and Israel was a historical place and YHVH was a God we know was worship as far back as 1400 B.C.

I can not prove the events of the Bible but names of cities and places and names of people appear in historical record.

We can find evidence from foreign sources like Assyria and Persia that mention Israel. Almost every major period of the old testament fits the historical record.

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Jehu King of Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehu

Assyrian Obelsik depicts the capture of King Jehu the king of the northern kingdom of Israel. circa 841 confirming the account of 2 Kings 9
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Obelisk_of_Shalmaneser_III

>>18366646
Okay are we deducting points for shit that's in the Bible that clearly didn't happen, or is this just some super keen one-way analysis like they teach in the classrooms that smell like bleach and shit?
Why or why not?

No one denies that the Bible is based on real Hebrew history retard, they just deny that their God is real and the supernatural parts of the story happened.
>>18366642
A lot of the time these retards who sound like AIs are Indian esls who can speak comprehensibly but can't actually understand things they read, so they completely misinterpret things and give nonsensical irrelevant responses. That's my guess

>>18366660
why would you have some rodent man from the land of shit do this when an AI could generate these results for free?
Did you guys all wake up today and eat junk food so hard that your fucking brains melted?

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Ancient artifact of the most high 3450 bce

hey guys this map of hell's kitchen new york proves that Daredevil fought Electro

>>18366660
I know that but can you explain why we never explained any of this exists in school. There is just a complete blacklist on the history of the Israelite.

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Curse Tablet circa 1400 B.C.
Found at Mt. Ebal where arechologist were looking for an alter made after a battle in the Book of Joshua. They instead found a tiny folded lead tablet. Inside the tablet it says:
[You are] cursed by the god yhw, cursed.

[You will die], cursed – cursed, [you will surely die].

Cursed [you are] by yhw – cursed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Ebal_lead_object

>>18366676
Because teaching the Bible is considered a violation of the separation of church and state, and Hebrew history not covered by the Bible or relating to the rise of Christianity isn't important enough to justify replacing other parts of the curriculum

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Coral formation in the form of chariot wheels found in the Red Sea.

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Joash Stone. Stone found near the temple mount is one of the oldest and cleanest example of paleo Hebrew. It also has one of the oldest known examples of the name Y-H-V-H (found on the bottom line). circa ~800 B.C.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehoash_Inscription

>>18366689
Suddenly Israeli must be treated as religious history. Israel is a part of secular world history and should be treated like every other nation.

We cant teach English history because of Odinism. Roman history with because of Jupiter. Greek history without the Ekklesia of Zeus. Separation between church and state.

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Widows Mite circa 100 B.C. - 100 A.D.
Commonly found coin with the name of John Hyrcanus the Maccabees ruler of Judah from the book of Maccabees. This coin proves the Jews won self rule during the Greek period as record in the writing of Josephus and the Book of Maccabees.

This coin is easy to purchase online.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesson_of_the_widow's_mite

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Jehovah and his wife Asherah
Found in northern Israel a drawing that depicts JHVH with a wife. Ancient insciption with the name YHVH

https://www.historicmysteries.net/p/asherah-did-the-god-of-the-hebrewhttps://www.historicmysteries.net/p/asherah-did-the-god-of-the-hebrew

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Altar of the Golden Calf of Arron.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_calf

>>18366698
>Israel is a part of secular world history and should be treated like every other nation.
Outside of creating Judaism and Christianity pre modern Israel is super irrelevant compared to contemporaries that could take up that classroom time, like Egypt, Rome, Babylon, etc.
>We cant teach English history because of Odinism. Roman history with because of Jupiter. Greek history without the Ekklesia of Zeus.
These are religions that absolutely no one in the modern world actually believes in beyond maybe a couple 10s of thousands at the absolute most(yes paganlarpers we know you're full of shit).
Better comparison would be Buddhism, Islam, and Shinto, which also are not taught in schools.

>>18366660
>No one denies that the Bible is based on real Hebrew history retard
that isn't true, plenty of people deny that.

>>18366636
>humans need water to survive
>humans site camps near water
>camps grow into to permanent settlements
>settlements flood when it rains more than expected or glaciers thaw
>repeat
>across every settlement in the world at some point
>whoa man, what if it rained ALL the time and the ENTIRE earth was flooded and not just out little town?

>>18366757
Also pretty much every single ancient civilization lived around very floodable rivers

>>18366680
>Curse Tablet circa 1400 B.C
Christian schizo behind this post. There is no proof that this tanlet says these things. There is no proof that a hebrew inscription existed during that time.

>>18366693
>chariot wheel
>red sea
There is no proof for that. This is a common christian apologetic myth. A chariot wheel in a sea also proves nothing but a likely shipbreak there.

>>18366695
>modern day forgery

There's zero reason to believe anything jews wrote is true

>>18366676
I also don't remember learning about ancient chinese history and archeology in school.
Does that mean that it's blacklisted too?

>>18366624
Do you have anything on the Exodus from Egypt?

And there's still none for Jesus.

>>18366873
The point is the Jews wrote, not that anything they wrote was true. YHVHism and the kingdom Israel are historical.

YHVHism predates the worship of Zeus. The olympians replaces older Greek deities at about 800B.C.

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>>18366946

Exodus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dzb2Rxt6o0A

Red Sea Crossing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28gDoxXUqIs

Mount Sinai (Arabia):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfGkeeHqjo8

Archeological evidence shows that the events of Exodus and the Israelite conquest of Canaan never happened and instead the Israelites were originally a Canaanite tribe from the Judaean highlands (modern-day West Bank). The earliest known reference to “Israel” is the Egyptian Merneptah stele from the 13th century BC which refers to “Israel” as one of the many Canaanite tribes pharaoh Merneptah conquered and subdued (something curiously omitted in the Old Testament). The Hebrew language itself is a Canaanite language, no different from Phoenician, Edomite, Moabite, and Ammonite. It was even written in the same script as other Canaanite languages as the “Paleo-Hebrew” alphabet is just the Phoenician alphabet, the independent Hebrew alphabet we know didn’t emerge until the 2nd century BC.

>>18367283
(Cont)
Yahwism, aka proto-Judaism, evolved out of Canaanite paganism and based on textual analysis of the Old Testament, certain elements of Canaanite paganism are still present (Deuteronomy 32:8-9 and Psalm 82). Yahweh was originally a local Canaanite god who belonged to a pantheon of 70+ deities where he wasn’t even the supreme god (that would be El) and he was originally just the local god of Israel and not the god of the whole universe; other nations were believed to have their own deities assigned to them (e.g. Moab had Chemosh). Yahweh only later became the supreme deity as a result of being syncretized with El (El’s name is also a generic word for deities and in fact, Elohim is actually the plural form of it) which is also why Asherah was later depicted as Yahweh’s consort since she was originally El’s consort. The demonization of Baal comes from Yahweh replacing Baal as the pantheon’s storm god and many of Baal’s functionalities were actually reassigned to Yahweh (e.g. Psalm 29 was originally a hymn to Baal and Psalm 68:4 refers to Yahweh as “he who rides the clouds” which was originally an epithet of Baal). The Israelites didn’t actually become monotheistic until after the Babylonian exile. While it is true the Old Testament already says that the Israelites embraced polytheism at certain points, the Biblical narrative still doesn’t align with what we know. According to the Old Testament, the Israelites started off as monotheistic, then fell to polytheism (while randomly switching back and forth between polytheism and monotheism depending on which king ruled), then finally settling on monotheism. But according to history, they were polytheist from the start and their transition to monotheism was a gradual one that took place over several centuries. Proper monotheism as we know it didn’t exist at all prior to the Babylonian exile.

>>18367286
(Cont)
The events of the Old Testament are at most based on a distorted memory of real events or outright myths. The Book of Jonah claims that the prophet Jonah converted the peoples of Nineveh around the 8th century BC, but according to actual history Nineveh never converted to Yahwism at any point and still worshipped their native gods until the Christianization of the Assyrians in the 2nd to 3rd centuries AD. King David probably existed, but he was most likely very different from how the Old Testament depicts him (similar to how Gilgamesh and King Arthur might be loosely based on real people). Only the Israelite priests were taken to Babylon, not the whole populace. The Philistines are mentioned in Abraham’s time (18th century BC), but they didn’t exist until after the Bronze Age collapse (12th century BC). Much of Genesis is derived from older Near Eastern myths as the flood story was taken from older Mesopotamian legends and the Garden of Eden story has parallels in Ugaritic texts. The events of Exodus are most likely based on a distorted memory of the Hyksos being expelled from Egypt (the Hyksos were a Canaanite peoples who ruled over Egypt as its 15th dynasty from the 17th to 16th centuries BC and were later overthrown and driven back to Canaan). I’d argue the Old Testament is equivalent to the Song of the Nibelungs; a bunch of scattered myths and unrelated historical events all conflated together into one thing because of semi-illiteracy and nobody at the time of its composition could dispute it because of said semi-illiteracy.

>>18367288
(Cont)
“Judaism” as we know only fully emerged during the Hellenistic period. The Torah might have been completed sometime during the Persian period, but the rest of the Old Testament wasn’t written until much later; for example the Book of Daniel was not written by “Daniel” during the Babylonian exile but rather in the 2nd century BC under the reign of Seleucid king Antiochus IV Epiphanes, long after the events it was supposedly “predicting” and even these “prophecies” start to get certain details wrong and become extremely vague at a certain point, so we can pinpoint precisely when it was written; sometime between 167 to 164 BC. Along with the non-canonical Book of Enoch, the Book of Daniel was specifically written in the context of the Maccabean Revolt. Daniel himself most likely never even existed and he was probably derived from the earlier Canaanite myth known as the Tale of Aqhat which centers around a righteous ruler also called Daniel.

Daniel managing to predict the life of Antiochus
Please ignore the part where it goes off the rails

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>>18367283
Or Phoenician is just Paleo Hebrew adopted by the surrounding tribes. Also Hebrew is similar to Akkadian. Akkadian burrowed its wedge from Sumer who made them originally from pictograms.

The Sumerian pictograms look eerily similar to proto-Sinaitic the language of Moses. Akkadian is also almost identical to Babylonian and Assyrian cuniform.

Lets not forget Imperial Aramaic and Arabic, are also very similar to Hebrew. Arabic is still spoke today by almost 2 billion people. Why is this language spoke written on this statue in Egypt still being spoken today and why is this ignored by the western education system.

>>18367283
>>18367286
>>18367288
>>18367290
>>18367301
Next they will need to say Daniel was written in 2026 because it predicted current events.

>>18367311
did Antiochus die in Judea, yes or no?

>>18367313
I am not sure. According to Maccabees, he died in Persia from a gut infection.

>>18367316
looks like Daniel (the prophet ordained by god) got it wrong then
>And he will pitch his tent at Ephadano between the seas toward the holy mountain of Sabain. And he will come to his destiny, and there is no one who rescues him

Hard mode

>Exodus

>>18367328
that has been the classical interpretation.
weird god would let vagueness like that slip into his holy book

>>18366632
Achilles certainly fought something and neither the city nor the man remain questionable for those of good faith.

>>18367317
Daniel 11 is not necessarily about Antichous although many people have claimed it is. Its the final chapter of Daniels Prophecy of the antichrist so that would mean that the universe ended with him since this is the final verse before the ending with Michael.

>>18366655
Why are you angry?

Ancient Hebrew religion started out as polytheistic before morphing into monotheistic. This is one of the main facts that debunks the legitimacy of the Abrahamic religions.

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>>18367330
Also note verse 30 speaks of the Ships of Kittim. Kittim is understood to be Greece. Maccabees 1:1 said Alexander son Philip was from the land of Kittim.

>>18367347
how does it debunk their legitimacy?

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Gezer Calandar: earliest example of a Hebrew calandar. circa 10th century B.C.
Note the word Yerech is still used by Jews, Muslims and Aramaic speaking Christians to mean month or Moon.


𐤓𐤏.𐤉𐤓𐤇𐤅𐤋𐤒𐤔
𐤉𐤓𐤇𐤏𐤑𐤃𐤐𐤔𐤕
𐤉𐤓𐤇𐤒𐤑𐤓𐤔𐤏𐤓𐤌
𐤉𐤓𐤇𐤒𐤑𐤓𐤅𐤊𐤋
𐤉𐤓𐤇𐤅𐤆𐤌𐤓
𐤉𐤓𐤇𐤒𐤑

𐤀𐤁𐤉(𐤄)

Which in equivalent square Hebrew letters is as follows:

ירחואספ ירחוז
רע ירחולקש
ירחעצדפשת
ירחקצרשערמ
ירחקצרוכל
ירחוזמר
ירחקצ

אבי(ה)

This corresponds to the following transliteration, with spaces added for word divisions:

yrḥw ʾsp yrḥw z
rʿ yrḥw lqš
yrḥ ʿṣd pšt
yrḥ qṣr šʿrm
yrḥ qṣrw kl
yrḥw zmr
yrḥ qṣ

ʾby[h]

The text has been translated as:

A couple of months (yarḥêw, in the dual) of gathering
A couple of months of early sowing
A couple of months of late sowing
A month of making hay
A month of harvesting barley
A month of harvest and finishing
A couple of months of vine pruning
A month of summer fruit.[9]

Abij[ah][10]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gezer_calendar

>>18367400
𐤉𐤓𐤇𐤅𐤀𐤎𐤐.𐤉𐤓𐤇𐤅𐤆

Missed the first line.

>>18367347
>ancient hebrew religion developed exactly as the bible says it did
>this somehow debunks its legitimacy

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Numerous Greek references to the Jewish from antiquity

>>18366642
>>18366660
The post had proper grammar was perfectly comprehensible

>>18367726
and was*
The irony isn't lost on me kek

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Eber-Nari (Persian providence of Israel)
Proof the nation of Israel existed before Roman and Greek Empires. It was one of the one hundred and twenty seven provincies of Persia. Used Aramic and had coins with the name Eber written on them. Mentioned in Ezra.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eber-Nari

>>18367726
Yeah esl retard, I SAID it was comprehensible, but as you've just demonstrated, while you can speak English you clearly can't comprehend it and basically just guess at what other people are saying instead of giving appropriate and relevant responses. That guys post didn't answer his question at all

>>18367831
I'm nta

>>18366636
No they don't. The Jewish flood tale is a direct ripoff of the Mesopotamian and the Chinese one is just a simple man vs nature tale.

>>18366757
>>18366780
I wonder if there is a correlation of humans having a flood myth and living on coastala areas and that the flood myth was a way to explain the oceans and seas.
Like this guy said>>18367928
the hebrew flood myth is very similar to the mesopotamian one but both influenced each other. There is a greek flood myth very similar to the hebrew one but the greeks and their mythology were heavily influenced by phoenicians, a levantine group. Most flood myths don't seem to be the "a God becomes angry about humans and creates a great worldwide flood and one family and their servants survive" kind of flood myth. Of course it also could have something to do with the end of the ice age and the floods that came out of it.

>>18366757
>>18366780
this is a very post-hoc modern view.
>THE BIBLE SAYS THE WHOLE WORLD IF ITS NOT THE WHOLE WORLD AT ONCE ITS ALL WRONG
no one would do this with Herodotus or with a 1990s textbook.
Why this hyper aggressive stance on The Bible?
dont tell me youre a troon??

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Thoughts on this theory of Exodus?
Been around a decade since I read, but the tl;dr from what I can recall was that the Exodus occurred but only with a small group of priests from Egypt and their families who would go on to become the Levites.

>>18367972
You mean the idea that some Akhenaten priests fled after his death and restoration of the old priesthoods power?

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>>18367949
The more interesting coincidence is the amount of flood myths in the new world. In the middle east you could at least claim they influenced each other(which, with the similarities between the stories of Utnapishtim and Noah is undeniable), but there's myths about global floods all over the Americas, even among people with virtually no contact with one another. Many even share deeper similarities like talking to animals to enlist their help in finding land or rebuilding civilization, or the flood being caused by the gods seeing mankind as wicked and wanting to restart everything but sparing a few good people to rebuild humanity.
>>18367960
>THE BIBLE SAYS THE WHOLE WORLD IF ITS NOT THE WHOLE WORLD AT ONCE ITS ALL WRONG
Uh yes, if it makes a claim and that claim is false then it is wrong, that's what wrong means.
>no one would do this with Herodotus or with a 1990s textbook.
People shit on Herodotus and older scholars all the time, you'd know this if you actually engaged with academia at all
>dont tell me youre a troon??
No schizo, I'm not. Honestly how many fucking trannies do you people think there are, especially on 4chan? They're like 0.0001% of the global population but every time anyone disagrees with someone here they MUST be a tranny

>>18367974
Not exactly, I remember he discusses the Akhenaten and Freud theory and ultimately pointed out some issues but I can’t remember for the life of me. At most I think he says it could have been some remnants of that tradition decades later. I guess it’s time for me to reread it lol

>>18367984
At the time of Akhenaten most of the Levant was still Egyptian, no point fleeing to lands owned by the one you're fleeing to. Better options would by Cyprus and Crete.

>>18367972
Look up Hyksos and Irsu. They are the most likely inspirations for the Exodus myth and Moses I think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irsu

>>18368001
At that time empire didn't have absolute control over their territories and the levant was more like a group of tributary states for egypt than being actually controlled by it

>>18368046
Didn't keep them from sending armies all the way to fucking Turkey.

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Seal of Hezekiah:
Wax seal of King Hezekiah grand father of Jesus. Notice the ankh and the depiction of an angel. The Book of Kings says Hezekiah did away with Idols and pagan worship during his reign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Hezekiah_bulla

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>>18367972
>>18368041
Indeed, I think it's most likely that the Exodus and even late Genesis Joseph narrative represent many centuries of back and forth between Egypt and West Asia throughout the Bronze and early Iron Age periods. I think there are several layers of historical memory contained therein including notably, those two you mention.

>>18367981
>myths about global floods all over the Americas,
I suspect much of this can be explained by European Christian influences seeping into their traditions. We'd need to really critically examine each of the myths and groups in question and reconstruct what they might have looked like pre-contact vs post.

Beyond that, it's not exactly an unintuitive line of thought. Humans all over the world experienced floods and humans all over the world have the same brains and might react to similar events in similar ways. Flood happen long ago? Must have been punishment from the gods and we descend from the lucky/chosen survivors.

>>18368046
Why would Egyptians flee from the Nile? To them the Nile was everything.

>>18367981
>if it makes a claim and that claim is false then it is wrong, that's what wrong means.
so we should discard an entire text if one part of it is wrong?
>people shit on Herodotus all the time
and yet he is considered the first historian, youd know this if you went to college.
>schizo
yeah youre a troon, you troons are always getting angry at people who dont even think about you.
youre candidate for being a troon because youre irrationally anti-Christian and anti-historical.

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>>18369093
>so we should discard an entire text if one part of it is wrong?
If it claims to be divine wisdom from an infallible omnipotent god, yes, absolutely. If you claim you know everything, and get one detail wrong, that means you don't know everything.
>and yet he is considered the first historian, youd know this if you went to college.
Yeah no shit, anyone who knows who Herodotus is at all knows that. But its universally agreed that he wasn't entirely accurate, he constantly embellished things, misinterpreted things due to language gaps, or just straight up made shit up. Unless you believe in Libyan dog men and blemmyes?
>yeah youre a troon, you troons are always getting angry at people who dont even think about you.
I'm not a tranny but this is the funniest fucking response you could have made after randomly accusing someone of being a tranny on a history discussion board. I don't think about trannies at all when I'm discussing history, the thought that someone I was talking to here might secretly be a tranny would never even enter my mind. You absolutely think about trannies, you're obsessed, and its fucking gross. Stop thinking about dudes dicks, faggot

>>18368913
That's more of an old kingdom thing, apprently if you died far away your soul wouldn't find back home. By the 18th dynasty they were perfectly fine with traveling away from the Nile.

>>18367960
>Why this hyper aggressive stance on The Bible?
Indeed there is a weird double-standard. The Bible is treated with this hyper-skepticism for ideological reasons. At this point, the minimalists/skeptics are arguing against the evidence and they're falling more and more out of favor.

>>18367960
>Why this hyper aggressive stance on The Bible?
Because if the bible is true then it is the most important book ever written, it concerns the fate of all of humanity for eternity, no fucking shit it'd be hyper analyzed and people would demand it be able to stand up to scrutiny. The origins of modern archeology are all built on trying to prove or disprove the bible, literal wars have been started over how to interpret it, LOTS of them. This is not a modern phenomenon.

>>18366824
Why do you think so?

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Yeho'ezer ben Hosh'ayahu seal:
circa 700 B.C.

Seal with the image of one of David's Mighty Men, Azariah ben Hoshʼaya. Jermiah 43:2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeho%27ezer_ben_Hosh%27ayahu_seal

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Seal of Matanyahu: circa 700 B.C.
Seal discovered. The name Matanyahu contains the name YHV making the seal one of the earliest examples of the name being used.

https://www.sci.news/archaeology/article00291.html

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Masada 70 AD
Site of a famous battle with the Roman Empire. Witnessed by Josephus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada

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>Israelites existed therefore there is an omnipotent all powerful magic sky man guiding all of reality
Thats fucking crazy...wait hang on, Troy existed, so Zeus is real too!? Uruk existed so Ishtar and Utnapishtim were real too! Teotihuacan is real so Tlaloc is real too! Lake Titicaca is real so Inti is real too! Out of those I'd say Tlaloc is the coolest so I'll probably follow him.

>>18370189
The Israelites are older than thatbmask be centuries.

>>18370404
Your point? Tons of places are older than Israel too, but you don't see a lot of people praying to Anu, Ra, or Ahura Mazda anymore.

>>18366646
>I am simply stating the fact that biblical Judea and Israel was a historical place and YHVH was a God we know was worship as far back as 1400 B.C.
>judea and israel
but that's not true. "israel" existed alien to the biblical narrative of the kingdom of israel. it had nothing to do with hebrews. judea had nothing around that time
you don't even have proof that the name "SR" means iSRael, for all we know it couble be just SyRia. fucking PALESTINE predates actual ISRAEL

>>18370489
It means prince of AL. AL is th original name of God.

>all those posts about yhwh
you do remember that yhwh predates the so called hebrews, right?
the egyptian knew of him already through the shasu
yes, the israelites were simply Canaanites that adopted yhwh through the shasu
canaanites already had yhwh since 1800 BC. the bible is completely irrelevant, the biblical cult to the old religion what mormonism is to the biblical cult
great. we know they wrote fanfiction years before the greek pantheon, do you want a medal for that?

>>18370493
>AL is th original name of God
Lord/Al/Dio(s)/Deus/Zeus/God/El/Baal/Adon is not a name. it's a noun elevated to a name which is then used by people to evoke the divine figurehead
the hebrews literally used Adon in the form of Adonai

>>18366639
>Mesha Stele: circa 840 discusses the God of Israel.
>God of Israel
the funny thing here is that Israel was a kingdom funded by Omri. Judeah didn't exist, neither david or solomon
the cult of yhwh predated and existed alien to the hebrews

The Old Testament is not a modern historical report written by eyewitness historians It is a layered body of tradition that developed over centuries through oral transmission and later compilation Its purpose was theological moral and identity forming rather than documentary This alone does not make it false It places it in the same category as most ancient sources we rely on to understand early civilizations :)

With prophets such as Abraham there is no external inscription naming him directly Yet the world described around him fits remarkably well with what archaeology knows about the Middle Bronze Age Nomadic movement clan based societies covenant customs and travel routes between Mesopotamia and Canaan all align with independent Near Eastern records This shows that the figure of Abraham is rooted in a historically authentic environment rather than later invention :)

The same pattern applies to Moses There is no Egyptian text naming him personally but the surrounding details are strikingly consistent Egyptian style names Semitic populations living in the Nile Delta documented systems of forced labor and realistic wilderness geography in Sinai These convergences indicate that the narrative grew out of real historical conditions not imagination :)

External corroboration strengthens this further The Merneptah Stele confirms that Israel already existed as a people in Canaan shortly after the traditional period of Moses This anchors the broader story in verifiable history Even references to desert groups associated with the divine name YHWH suggest early worship connected to the Mosaic tradition long before later biblical compilation :)

>>18370576
What history does not give us are birth certificates or signed memoirs of prophets That level of evidence is rare even for many kings in the ancient world especially for nomads slaves or religious leaders Absence of direct proof does not mean fabrication It means the evidence survives in cultural memory context and convergence rather than inscriptions :)

Taken together these facts show that the Old Testament is neither a modern history book nor a fictional myth It is a faith centered record deeply embedded in real ancient settings populated by figures whose lives make historical sense within their time The prophets cannot be proven the way modern figures are but they are firmly grounded in history rather than invention :)

>>18370576
>Yet the world described around him fits remarkably well with what archaeology knows about the Middle Bronze Ag
Some Biblical texts, such as Genesis 12 and 24, claim that Abraham owned camels. Yet archaeological research shows that camels were not domesticated in the land of Canaan until the 10th century B.C.E.—about a thousand years after the time of Abraham...

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>>18370581
It's a good thing that Abraham was not from Canaan :)

He receives them as something of a novelty gift in Egypt. Genesis doesn’t portray him running a whole caravans like later times. It just shows a wealthy pastoralist owning a small number of high value animals. :)

We have Old Babylonian references to camel milk Middle Bronze ration texts listing camels Syrian seals depicting Bactrian camels around 1800 BC Egyptian depictions of a man leading a camel in the third millennium and camel remains in earlier Near Eastern contexts That points to limited early use :)

The archaeology shows when camels become common in southern Levantine settlement layers It does not show they were impossible earlier especially in transregional zones like Egypt Upper Mesopotamia or along eastern trade routes. :)

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Seal of Baruch the prophet. Circa 7th century B.C.

Two of these have been found.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baruch_ben_Neriah