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Is this graffiti'd statue accurate, /his/? WAS Winston Churchill a Zionist war criminal?
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Early Support (1900s–1920s), Churchill expressed sympathy for the Zionist movement as early as 1905. By the time he was Colonial Secretary in 1921, he openly supported the Balfour Declaration (1917), which endorsed the establishment of a Jewish national home in Palestine. He saw Zionism as a way to provide Jews with security and self-determination.
Philo-Semitism: Churchill was generally favorable toward Jewish causes. He admired Jewish resilience and contributions to society, which shaped his pro-Zionist stance. While supportive, Churchill also had to pragmatic balance Arab opposition in Palestine. His policies sometimes reflected compromises, but his underlying sympathy for Zionism remained consistent. During Churchill condemned terrorism “of any stripe.” He did not support violent tactics by Zionist groups, which began to emerge in the 1930s and later escalated in the 1940s, Jewish underground groups such as the Irgun and Lehi carried out attacks against British authorities in Palestine, including bombings and assassinations. Churchill, though historically sympathetic to Zionism (he supported the Balfour Declaration and Jewish settlement in Palestine), was alarmed by these violent tactics. He viewed the militant actions as criminal and destabilizing, and his government responded with military crackdowns and arrests. At the same time, Churchill distinguished between Zionist aspirations for an Arabs homeland (which he supported) and extremist violence, which he condemned and later regret post-1947
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>>18367430
I've come to the conclussion that anyone that vehemently hates Churchill is retarded. Its always either some /pol/shitposter (brown queer who hates jews) or just in general anti-white leftist who hate Churchill because he was mean to brown people.
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>>18367527
Again, the vehement anti-jew rhetoric is animated mainly from the left, with impotent online right wingers simply riding its coattails.
the left hates Israel from the viewpoint that they are white supremacist, colonialist, apartheid, fascist. In other words, they hate Israel for being far right and oppressing brown people. All attempts to ride this movement only fuel that narrative weather you like it or not. In fact, instead of the online right coopting this and influencing the left, the exact opposite has happened. Now /pol/, the previously "pro white" board, is now consumed with anti-white third worldism by dressing up these far left movements as "fascist" because the leaders are authoritarian and speak out against jews.
I dont really expect a sub 100 IQ public school trash person to be able to comprehend any of this or to even look two steps in front of them and what they are doing though.
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>>18367532
The fact that you can only respond with the most canned, NPC tier, buzzwords possible and arent even able to actually engage with anything Im saying just makes my point further.
The reality is that all popular anti zionist rhetoric is led by the left and its simply another anti-white movement to them. Saying "b-but jews arent white!" is irrelevant to this and its exposes the online right as retards as well since they have claimed for nearly a decade now that zionism and the far left were on the same side which is obviously false to everyone now.
The online right has completely lost its center and is simply the "anti jew" movement now. So it latches onto this new far left/anti zionist movement that is fueled by anti white rhetoric and is getting absorbed into it.
The online right in the past few years has become a movement that unironically calls for voting for any and all left wing politicians, buddying up with muslims, and promoting itself to brown people and gays. Its a complete failure and all of its accomplishments are accidental if anything.
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>>18367531
Absolutely hilarious because Israel selling itself as this based Western white ethnostate is exactly part of how it managed to garner so much support among the Christian right, when they don't see you as any less of a subhuman than the Arabs.
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>>18367536
i would say they are only anti-jew to the extent they want their societies controlled by and directed for the benefit of their own people, instead of being controlled from the top for the benefit of a small minority and their parasitic middle east state
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We will not be persuaded by your feeble arguments, kike rat. We will never support the illegitimate apartheid settler state of pissrael.
>y-you're b-brown!
Compelling. Now face the wall.
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>>18367537
You have pisspoor reading comprehension skills (showcasing your public school education and/or browness)
To repeat myself, the LEFT views Isreal as these things, I am not saying that this is what Israel is or even what they are trying to present themselves as. The Christian Right segments that do support Israel do NOT do so out of some sort of white supremacist thing, they do it out of boomer hick-yokel protslop biblical stuff. These sorts of Israeli supporting Christians are completely irrelevant too.
This has lost focus of my original point which is that Israel is sort of a red herring. Israel could disappear from the world map tomorrow and what actually changes? You're still going to have entire global networks bringing in third worlders to white countries, youre still going to have vehemently anti white leftist in charge of every white country, youre still going to have anti-natalist policies pushed exclusively on whites, youre still going to have anti white governments in general.
The entire /pol/ claim that leftist and zionist are on the same side has been definitely disproven and /pol/ has betrayed its original claimed purpose (being pro white) in order to side with the left who are animated by anti white rhetoric.
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>>18367545
>instead of being controlled from the top for the benefit of a small minority and their parasitic middle east state
Okay well they are literally doing that. Like instead of being controlled by zionist, they are being controlled by the global south alliance of brown people against white people. Thats what the entire leftist movement that they are supporting is about.
the left is anti Israel because its pro white in their eyes. Once Israel is crushed, they will simply turn their main focus on the United States, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and Western Europe.
How the fuck can you make a post like this and not also call out someone like Nick Fuentes for repeatedly calling for buddying up with Muslims who have obvious and open ill contempt for white and want to dominate us? How is pic related literally any different from some pro Israeli boomer protestant?
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>>18367460
>Win WWII
>Have to ration meat until the 50s
>Lose all of your colonies
>Lose your empire
>Become a rump state and no longer have the status of a great power
Ever heard of the concept of a pyrrhic victory you moron?
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>>18367557
how many browns run media companies, academic institutions, banks, etc. jews mostly use brown people as a tool against white society. is american political energy and money squandered fighting wars on behalf of brown people? or on behalf of jewish people? logically, which of these two threats is pulling the strings?
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>>18367553
Typical lying Jew.
For one, if pissrael was wiped off the map today all of that aid that the West continually sends it could be used to have properly functioning healthcare systems for whites.
It would also mean peace in the Middle East.
Without pissrael destabilizing the region there would be no reason for Muslims to leave their countries.
Everything that comes out of your mouths is a falsehood.
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>>18367460
They were on rations longer than Germany was and theyre today demographically worse off than Germany, they also became completely infiltrated by American jewry.
>>18367521
>there are no White nationalists, all pro-Whites are actually brown
how compelling, Churchill was a monkey who sold out his own people, it was either corruption or incompetence.
England should have signed a peace accord with Germany in 1941.
It would have prevented the rise of the Soviet superstate, England could have built a unified European bloc to keep the Americans out, and Germany had pull in both China and Japan and could have mediated far between the two.
Now we see China rising to strike down the few remaining Whites in The Western Hemisphere as Europe is overwhelmed by Southrons and Eastern Europe is STILL embroiled in a war that may spill over into Europe proper.
It could not have gone worse for England.
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>>18367567
>For one, if pissrael was wiped off the map today all of that aid that the West continually sends it could be used to have properly functioning healthcare systems for whites.
It wouldnt though, it would all go into gibsmedats for unemployable fat black people with 10 kids from 10 different fathers and the remaineder would go to NGOs and Non profits to promote transgender storytime in public schools.
Reminder, you are politically impotent and support anti white rhetoric
>>18367563
>jews mostly use brown people as a tool against white society.
okay, so following this logic, why would you EVER support them? This is where youre argument (which is a strawman btw) breaks down.
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>>18367567
It's funny how you had to change the original comic page to make it fit your slopaganda because you yourself are talentless
>>18367562
What should've the alternative been then?
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>>18367571
>Churchill sold out his people (the british) because he didnt cuck out to a hostile foriegn power and sell out to them
how compelling.
The root cause of all of this is that youre a retard with a public school education and think WW2 was Hitler fighting for explicitly pro white causes and the Allies (all predominantly white countries) were against that.
You're an imbecile that is taking current political issues some 80+ years after the event and making them into the root cause of that war which is really really stupid and is something /pol/ does a lot.
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>>18367580
>i'm just telling you the right is mostly anti-jew
They are that, I dont disagree. But they are JUST that. They have no centrla positive cause, they dont fight FOR anything, they simply fight AGAINST something. Because of this, their supposed cause for being anti jew (being pro white) has disappeared.
10 years ago /pol/ was fundamentally pro white and hated communist and muslim migrants, and now its a grab bag of brown zoomers who are pro muslims and pro communist. You're anti AIPAC, great, but youre still latching onto the movement that wants to extract all wealth from white people and give it to hostile brown people who hate you. The anti zionist left is still open borders and hates white people. Even as the right pathetically latches onto that movement, they still stomp them beneath their heels.
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>>18367588
I'm a Communist, you're a Nazi.
I hate Jews because they're bourgeois parasites sucking the lifeblood of the working class. You hate Jews because you believe in debunked theories of German racial superiority.
We are not the same.
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>>18367588
i think the positive cause is autonomy. i just feel societies used to be such that you could be a member of something larger moving in a direction beneficial for everyone in the society. that is gone. i dont think its gone because of browns because they are not the ones in positions of power. i think its because jews subverted and now control every american institution, and are leaching from it for their own benefit, and the benefit of israel. i think the mass immigration is one of the detrimental policies they implemented toward that end, along with money debasement and demoralization propaganda. so thats why regaining control of society and disempowering jews is a positive cause
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>>18367531
>anti-jewish
Are you saying genocide and corruption is a core part of the jewish identity?
jews should jettison these from their identity and being pro-jewish or neutral to the jewish will be a morally upright position.
Otherwise the only reasonable position is, defined by the jews, anti-jewish.
>mainly from the left
it has been signal boosted from the left due to the blatant crimes against humanity committed by the jews and this seemingly endless series of scandals coming out publicly.
>impotent online right riding its coattails
projection.
Stormfront predates 2023.
/pol/ predates 2023
the Alt Right predates 2023
>the left hates israel because they are everything they hate about White people
strange how the golem turns on its master.
>/pol/ isnt White anymore
non-Whites joined Whites in noticing how misbehaved israel has been.
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>>18367594
>I hate Jews because they're bourgeois parasites sucking the lifeblood of the working class.
This is actually exactly what the Nazis said repeatedly and every reference Hitler made about the jews as a race was preceded by such statements.
rule of thumb for persona non-grata movements, you should listen to what the people say about themselves.
I wouldnt go to American liberals to learn about communism, you shouldnt go to discord communists to learn about National Socialism.
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>>18367582
>public school
but I didnt go to a public school, or a jewish school.
>Hitler was fighting for explicitly pro-White causes
Hitler's victory would have been the least anti-White and the least anti-European.
>all predominantly White countries
White people fight each other, it happens, this does not mean we should abandon White people, White countries, or White civilization.
two kinsmen from the same family may fight, does this mean we dissolve all familial bonds? no.
>root cause
IT IS
The morality that rose out of the mythology of WWII is the SOLE reason we are being genocided today.
The anti-fascist morality, the anti-fascist form of liberalism, the anti-fascist intelligence agencies like the OSS and its descendants in the CIA, NSA, and the vast apparatti of the security state, these are ALL products of the war on Germany - really the war on Europe.
denazification was created to destroy the German people, it was wildly successful and has now been exported by The Liberal World order - the jewish world order - and is employed by the State against Whites in the UK and the United States.
The British army is currently deployed today in the UK explicitly to justify the rape and extermination of the British people in their own homeland.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/77th_Brigade_(United_Kingdom)
>In 2019, Laurie Clarke in Wired described the brigade as a "psychological operations unit responsible for 'non-lethal' warfare that reportedly uses social media to "control the narrative", as well as disseminating UK government-friendly podcasts and videos".[39]
>Warfare Today says of the brigade that it is a combined regular army and reserve unit "for non-lethal warfare and behavioural influence", based at Denison Barracks, Hermitage, Berkshire.[40]
Go down the rabbit hole, the British army is the SOLE reason why British rape victims arent able to even plead their case in public courts.
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No one at the time was a political Zionist. The status of Jews today is indebted to America, they were treated poorly and viewed with great suspicion back then.
This obsession with Winston Churchill and the British Empire also stems from American propaganda, it's a sort of Larouchite expression of American Anglophobia that has no basis in reality. The British Home Office was (and still is) pro-Arab, as was SOAS.
To many older members of the British royal family, if you say, "the terrorists", they'll still think you're talking about the Irgun. Israel's friend was and is the United States, not Europe.
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>>18367548
Oh no!
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Churchill saved the jews from likely complete global extermination and this is how they repay him. By sending their hordes to defame his memory. They really are the most awful creatures on the planet. I completely understand why Hitler hated them so much even if I don't agree with his "solution" to the problem...
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>>18367884
>right-wing
Nobody was right wing after ww1 except for some monarchist movements.
Left wing and Right wing are terms that originate from the French Revolution, right wingers wanted to preserve the estamental society while left wingers wanted to delete these estaments and unify the nation.
Both Nazi and Communist origins can be traced in the French Revolution so both are left wingers.
“Lenin was the greatest man, second only to Hitler, and that the difference between communism and the Hitler faith was very slight.”
~Joseph Goebbels
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Looking online, there seems to be a lot of seethe from younger Brits toward Churchill and WWII in general. I don't think Churchill's status as a beloved war hero is going to last much longer.
>Churchillism was not even popular in his lifetime. Churchill famously was voted out of office in the last year of World War II. He is responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent Europeans -- from the concentration camps of South Africa to the death march of German women and children coordinated with British puppet Benes at the Potsdam Accords -- and also committed countless atrocities against the coloured world. He was at least as big of a tyrannical murderer as Joseph Stalin, I would argue Churchill was far worse.
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>>18367548
Tankies always talk about how communism turned reactionary wastelands into functioning societies but never mention the one time it actually happened
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>>18368131
It's only fuzz on the Internet. Hating Churchill is a really fringe opinion, the only actual radical right-wing party in the UK are Restore (who are currently polling in 1 digit numbers despite being a fresh party, meanwhile the left wing radical party ,,Your Party" initially gained double digit numbers in polls before they crashed to the ground) and even Restore is just recycled 60 boomer conservatism.
At most, Churchill will become a forgotten war hero in the next decades akin to how for example the U.S. forgot about many mythologised generals before the Civil war, public opinion doing an 180° is unlikely. WW2 is just far too embedded into the cultural conciousness. In fact I'd say sympathy for the Nazis is dwindling the longer time marches on as people grow distant from WW2 and the only image of the Nazis they have is the cartoon villain version from the media. Similar to how the Huns ended up in History after centuries of them being the generic evil horde.
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>>18367531
Only the right wing ever call out jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cubO0lhOMcs
Anti jew rhetoric isn't left wing at all they aree. all too scared of being racist to point it out it's is and has always been a right wing talking point even muslims are still overly respectful to jews.
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>>18368662
It's not about Palestine it's about right to protest, defend yourself and not suck zionist cock.
It's illegal for a country to allow it's citizens to volunteer for a war against an ally, if this was happening to another country they would not have so much institutional support, funding and help covering it up and these murderers would be in jail.
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>>18367562
Might even call this a British victory to coin a new term. Never in history has a great power beaten its biggest rival, twice, only to give up afterwards and fully betray its own population. Some WW2 vets can even watch how their countries are getting r*ped by global southerners.
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>>18367460
I'm not a nazi /pol/tard but I just can't see how ww2 wasn't just a Phyrric victory, sure they "won" ww2 but it cost them their empire, their status, a metric fuck ton of money and so much more.
Realistically if the UK sued for peace after Germany took Paris they'd be in a much better position in say 1980 than they were in our timeline
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>>18369757
They were rationing food much longer than Western Germany (after they took 25% of German land and the Soviets seperated 1/4 of the remaining German territory) and their economy was growing much more slowly despite Britain receiving more than double the amount of American Aid. Germany overtook Britain by 1960 then.
Pathetic race of people really, started an entire war to contain the German threat and despite being carried by the U.S. and Germany spending the majority of their forces to fight the Americans and Soviets, the Brits still got bankrupted. Don't know why Hitler considered them as equals, even the Soviets deserve more appraisal, they actually defested most of the German military and became a Super Power.
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>>18369672
>lets put ourselvs at the mercy of the agresive genocidal empire that hates democracy and controls all of Europe because at least we will have our beloved niggers in our empire
/pol/pedophiles are mentally ill
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>>18367430
It's just historically illiterate and a comfortable delusion to blame Churchill for Zionism. Does anyone really believe the brits twisted Rothschilds' arm to get them to pursue the items in the Balfour Declaration? The Zionists predated Churchill, and he certainly wasn't motivated by it, just had to exist alongside it.
It's easier for lefties to attack these symbols because there is no consequence. It's also because they're imbeciles.
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>>18369979
you're retarded if you don't think central banking didn't control the western world since the british empire and maybe earlier
funny how every country you colonize and invade had to install a rothchild central bank. purely a cohencidence
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>>18369987
I'm not really sure what you're even trying to imply. OP is asking if the vandalism makes any sense. I am saying it doesn't because the people actually responsible for Zionism would be the Zionists who christened and pursued the idea. Lefties avoid holding the zionists responsible for zionism because they're jews and if leftists attacked them there would actually be a consequence. Painting Churchill's statue is just more anarchist larping with no solution in mind.
Are you really going to suggest that something so symbolically religious to jews is actually the fault of wealth control and acquisition? Maybe we can blame guns next for wars.
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>>18369990
If Churchill hadn't supported it, pissrael wouldn't exist today.
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>>18370195
>today I am going to blame jewish agency on some drunk brit
Guys, you're being the jews right now. Even IF Churchill handed Israel to Jews on a silver platter (that is a retarded simplification), he did not invent the motive to achieve Greater Israel. That belongs to the perpetrators of the Israeli project themselves i.e. the jews. You guys support lashing out at British icons of culture because you are either idiots, jewish, or liars. Perhaps all three. But you wouldn't dare raise your voice in public against the actual war criminals because you lack quality.
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good posts
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>>18367430
Churchill being a Zionist is debatable.
He had little interest until visiting the place (when he was Secretary for the Colonies and thus compelled to) and was impressed by local Jewish industry.
Later he was more active in his support.
It seems because he saw the Jewish settlers as a sort of imperial analogue.
Interestingly, Churchill was one of the first to be alarmed by the German concentration camps. He actually wanted to bomb Auschwitz-Birkenau but it seems his orders were never carried out.
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bad posts
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>>18367553
>Da brown peeple don like Shitrael derefore da wite peeple must suppot Shitrael
30iq reasoning
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>>18371029
Jews are desperate to get whites on their side for some reason. Doesn't make much sense though. White or brown, aren't all gentiles cattle due to their dirty, non-Jewish souls? Seems like the wise rabbis would disapprove of such irrational skin colour based discrimination
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>>18367553
I actually hate Jews more than I hate nignogs
>Yid brain malfunctions at this possibility
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>>18367553
>WAAAH Da /Pol/turds won't support Israel
Ok? Why don't you take it up with them? This isn't /pol/
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>>18367430
14For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
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>>18367557
You seem very emotional and invested in the subject of Israel's national security
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>>18371056
14For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
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