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/uni/forms and military gear. American Civil war: Confederacy Edition 02/27/26(Fri)15:53:55 No.18367581
/uni/forms and military gear. American Civil war: Confederacy Edition 02/27/26(Fri)15:53:55 No.18367581
/uni/forms and military gear. American Civil war: Confederacy Edition Anonymous 02/27/26(Fri)15:53:55 No.18367581 [Reply]▶
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Hi. Again. ITT we will cover military attire, equipment, banners and whatnot of the CSA army. Feel free to post your own stuff on the topic.
What a week, huh? Five months? Whatever.
And yes, keep it civil. We are here for funny clothes and shit that came in a bundle with them.
Feel free to as for Osprey MAA and Elite prints.
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I will start off with general attire of the troops and then cover specific regiments.
Though general attire was already established by the heads of the army all the way back in 1861, in reality, most of confederate soldiers would wear whatever they wanted.
An Englishman, who visited the Confederacy in 1861, said that "the soldier had a very poor view, often wearing simple farmer shirts and trousers".
The usual "cadet grey" attire of Johnny Reb was a rare sight too, due to the union blockade making importing paint very hard. It was more of a yellow-brown shade of grey. And after long sun exposure, the uniform would become brown.
MAA CSA Army: https://psv4.userapi.com/s/v1/d/x3rtZFIHdrMd0XHPL7tHrPV5Hf-JuayZJpat8a qExk_g95MJLAp49Vt0jowoRPyX8fr5JMbGs dPm74AeVJqgAWmHifSyorQ1tqJ11ERs0s_X 9RD9lBddtQ/ACW_Armies_1_-_CSA_Men_a t_Arms_170.pdf
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In the first months of the war, Confederate troopers would bring a lot of kitchen equipment and clothes with themselves, a lot of people going as far as taking slaves with them as squires. All this was to create an unforgettable sight after reaching the White House and making a picnic there.
Unfortunately for them, it didnt happen. Carrying so much luggage was painful under the blazing sun, most of the slaves were sent back to plantations, except for kitchen staff and soldiers went to the point as leaving their greatcoats behind, due to "the problems of carrying them in the heat were important than the comfort it would give in the cold"
By the time it was Valley campaign, most of the soldiers had one idea in mind: "Dont cary big luggage on your road to victory".
US Civil war Logistics: https://psv4.userapi.com/s/v1/d/K0BjKNrLuird68Unx3SSi26hUqzb0XVdtgWSrg mhEeGSzq40PWAmSKxx-eRZUIkCjdaUrSivu 0Jw3hvZ1F04gqHFJwE2Utdem66gZ1KT0ozR QjmDWpmIYw/Civil_War_Logistics_A_St udy_of_Military_Transportation_-_Ea rl_J_Hess.epub
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>INFANTRY
Over 90% of Confederate army were from villages with population below 2000 people. However, they werent exactly nut-minded hillbillies, as by this point around 80% of people in the southern states were literate.
There werent any real censorship in the CSA, so soldiers could write whatever they want back home. Including telling their families, that their officers are incompetent retards, that only want to get them killed.
Also, a fact about the chain of command in some southern regiments. In the small regiments, officers didnt wear insignia, but not because of fear of being killed. Everyone in the regiment just knew each other.
>pic: CSA Infantry Private
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>MEDICAL
Following the Union, Confederacy formed its medical corps in 1862. Things looked good due to the mass production of chloroform, which meant less pain for the wounded man and the system of field hospitals.
Yet the system had not always worked, as sometimes the amount of wounded would be bigger than available medical supplies. For example, after the battle of Shiloh, many wounded confederate soldiers would slowly and painfully die, even if they still could be saved. Richmond suffered the same fate.
A lot of medics were unexperienced, as the army would recruit even the people, who had not finished the courses yet. Surgeons were not yet aware of the sterilization, not washing their hands after surgeries, amputation were a common thing and fire wounds to the stomach were still lethal.
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CSA Specialist troops: https://psv4.userapi.com/s/v1/d/b34d5QWz60w2QRsq8znc4Uad0OJcx30FiKtIQV fGoCeuTn__lWVXvm8hZJjXo-Kvr5kqecs5p d__Qxjz4r6D9pCDPJ_jOW_6eMt6ZKeZ9kVl 5lHmjbo1ZQ/ACW_Armies_3_-_Specalist s_Men_at_Arms_179.pdf
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The original Louisiana Tigers were mostly New Orleans Irish dockworkers, thugs and ex-filibusters, and they terrified their comrades in the Army of Northern Virginia. I wonder how long they stayed in this cool Zouave drip, and weren’t there far more Yankee Zouaves?
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>>18367647
Chatham Wheat was a madlad
>gets wounded at the first Bull Run
>doctor says its fatal
>"im not ready to die"
>proceeds to live and dies only the second Bull Run
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Based thread
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Irish Citizen Army, 1916.
The Irish Citizen Army (ICA) was actually one of the first "red armies" founded in Europe iirc; it was founded in 1913 to defend workers from the police during the Dublin Lockout. The uniforms were bottle green, with the distinctive slouched hat and a badge displaying the red hand of Ulster.
They participated in the 1916 Rebellion, and then fought alongside the IRA in the Irish War of Independence+Civil War. They fizzled out entirely in the 1940s.
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>>18367713
11th Mississippi reporting in. You said your ancestor served there, didnt you?
Opsrey MAA State troops: https://psv4.userapi.com/s/v1/d/6OaWrh2BsORvm5pRSAYUB6A0UfZ3I5mKf7XBG4 chvAa1jNxtPHbYTul0zUGpfEy9wKnCETHoj eZAVrCH5TMtMQW-QE7ovq0lVlX3iOHUOPWD sKLEttsTyw/ACW_Armies_4_-_State_Tro ops_Men_at_Arms_190.pdf
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Regimental flag of the 2nd/6th Missouri, captured at Franklin where the Missouri Brigade was vaporized. One of my ancestors was lucky to be wounded and captured before the battle which probably saved his life.
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Missouri state battle flag CSA) It looks like something for a Christian nationalist militia
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A “Van Dorn” pattern Confederate flag, used by troops under Earl van Dorn. There were three 15th Arkansas Infantry regiments and one of my ancestors was in another one.
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>1st Arkansas
>I used to be a cavalryman, but they took my horse, so now i'm an infantryman.
Created in Little-Rock in June 1861, it used to be a cavalry regiment, but in 1862 they gave away the horses and remain an infantry regiment until the end of the war.
What is known about the 1st Arkansas, is that they were mostly armed with M1819 Hall rifle, taken from Little Rock armory. It is also known, that the regiment had problems with uniform, not receiving it on time and having to buy their town.
As a result, soldier, at least in the D unit, would look like civilians or militiamen,
>pic: 1st Arkansas D-unit Private with M1819 Hall rifle.
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Someone call the irish anon.
>10th Tennessee regiment or "Sons of Erin"
Not to be confused with 10th Tennessee regiment of the Union army that also had irish-americans.
Nicknamed "the bloody ten" for big casualties, sustained in the battle of for Donelson, it had 720 people in 1861 and less then 100 by 1865.
Armed with "Brown Besses".
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>>18368671
Osprey MAA Irish-American units of American Civil war: https://psv4.userapi.com/s/v1/d/_MTeoBlSNWX6O6EAjbV9jYRabe6FWtG7PV80Od vhkhkApQy9_nKtLxkhcYo20O9TJc1bV8kK6 AwzEVYqawT_bbOpkeKZ3oLHPD1mCMfA5dm0 GzjwayQthw/Irish-American_Units_in_ the_Civil_War.pdf
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>>18367611
What year was the sweet spot for standardisation? As the necessity for mass produced uniforms and gear became obvious was it already too late due to supply shortages and the blockade? Without hindsight, was there anything the Confederates could have done differently to try and at least keep pace with Northern production? Even if not 1:1.
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>>18368792
Unfortunately, i couldnt find any pictures of Gee-Johnson's 15th Arkansas regiment, as the only proof i found of the 15th-s even existing is the flag of the Joney's regiment.
However, if you want to read about 15th Johnstons first-hand experience at Port Hudson, I recommend reading chapter II of "The Escape of Captain Joe and Lt. Dock Daniel", which is a memoir of sorts of one of the Confederate soldiers.
https://pth.thehardyparty.com/captain_joe.htm#CH2
You can learn more about Arkansas regiments in general here: https://web.archive.org/web/20071212052703/http://asms.k12.ar.us/armem /welch/ar_infy.htm
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>>18367581
I really like light infantry and skirmishers so I've wondered if the Confederates had a unit similar to Berdan's Sharpshooters? I know that some confederate sharpshooters had Whitworth Rifles (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHIsqlhZ6NY) but couldn't figure out, if they had dedicated and specialised formations.
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>>18368797
Could they keep the pace? I am not exactly sure, but i doubt it. Army of the Potomac, thanks to George B. McClellan, who was a talented businessman, was well supplied and had a very good logistical administration. But he was very careful with distribution, a weak spot Lee used for his advantage at the start of the war.
Plus, the blockade would prevent Confederacy from receiving imported goods, which had its own consequences.
Confederacy command knew about supply shortages and had tried many times to fix the situation. For example, Kentucky campaign, Lee invasion of Maryland and Chancellorsville campaign.
>pic: Confederate soldier using a flintlock rifle. A usual sight for the Western Theatre.
Here is a good video about CSA uniform supply system: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNklvp6H7Kc&t=638s
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>>18368960
I think Clinch Rifles is the one.
It was a unit in the 5th Georgia Volunteer Infantry regiment. It was considered an formation. But instead of Berdan rifles they used Mississippi rifles.
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>>18368945
>However, if you want to read about 15th Johnstons first-hand experience at Port Hudson, I recommend reading chapter II of "The Escape of Captain Joe and Lt. Dock Daniel", which is a memoir of sorts of one of the Confederate soldiers.
>https://pth.thehardyparty.com/captain_joe.htm#CH2
Thanks anon! I’d read a lot of stuff about Port Hudson but never seen that account. I can’t imagine trying to escape through Louisiana swamps and snaky underbrush in July.
My forefather was a private in the 15th so he was paroled unlike the officers. I’ve read Col. Johnson’s after action account of the siege. Their position was called Fort Desperate but it’s never named in the article you linked.
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>>18369049
u r wellcom!!!
Have you seen a website, that is completely dedicated to Fort Desperate?
https://pth.thehardyparty.com/ft_desperate/fort_desperate.htm
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>>18369053
Yes I saw that a while back and even corresponded with them. I never saw that account of Capt. Joe’s escape though. There was another officer who escaped by inflating a bladder of some kind and floating down the Mississippi which has terrifying currents there, but he had done it before as a messenger to Confederate forces on the other side of the Mississippi.
My ancestor was Augustus Johnson in Co. C. According to his pension records he got sunstroke at Port Hudson,
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>>18368977
Thx
And was it common for companies of confederate regiments to have such remarkable names? Griffin Light Guards sounds like some high-fantasy thing.
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>>18369089
Sometimes.
Its either just a number and a state name or...
>Coppens zouaves
>Garibaldi legion
>Irish Jasper Greens
>Travis Sharpshooters
>La Waka Guard
>Nancy Harth militia
Mostly named after its commanding officer or someone very important to the state's history.
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>>18369121
Very colorful.
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1st Louisiana Zouave Battalion (Coppens) - Zouaves in the the Confederacy were apparently a niche occurance as the elaborate uniforms were difficult to supply.
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>>18369477
Zouave regiments being in the American Civil war is mostly both the Union and the Confederacy trying to follow the trends. Zouaves got very popular in Europe and America after they managed to take Sevastopol in 1855(might talk about Crimean was in another thread).
So everyone tried to get their hands on /fa/shionable zouave uniforms. A lot of CSA zouave regiments were formed in New Orleans, and 1st Louisiana was made by a French-American soldier Georges de Coppens. So the french influence was a factor, even if a small one.
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>>18369698
One should also note that being a Zouve wasn't enitrely about /fa/shion but came with its own set of infantry drill and tactics, which were far more dynamic then most up to this point in time.
>They would fall to the ground, load their guns, fire, turn over on their backs, fire again, jump up, run a few steps, fall, then crawl on their hands and feet as silent and quick as cats, climb high stone walls by stepping on each other’s shoulders, making a human ladder.
At least those were the requirements. And while the "father" of the Zouaves in the USA (Elmer E. Ellsworth) did heavily emphasise those qualities, once the war broke out the standards were relaxed and he himself soon died as well.
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>>18369698
Mutts sure loved French aesthetics back then
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My friends, rejoice, for i have brought you 6 MAA magazines about Confederacy army from different states for a grand total of zero dollars!!!
By issue:
423 - South Carolina and Mississippi
426 - Florida, Alabama & Georgia
430 - Louisiana and Texas
435 - Virginia and Arkansas
441 - Tennessee and North Carolina
446 - Missouri, Kentucky & Maryland
Google drive with the magazine prints: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XoD7VGzhmuFltAbV0jzWWSi05FEyZ7KX/view ?usp=sharing
>tfw born in the wrong generation
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Osprey MAA - Flags of the American Civil war (Confederate)
https://psv4.userapi.com/s/v1/d/kyoY3i1scvocKSC7zi-wnbtJEaPPPnYxTaYQgk qxWfl_JfSlXK_01KGGNXiRPP40UeJy6I6tR 7T_oi3u2ulLiwT8Gw2OSBNpnavE9rKB5Wy7 Z02YjVuK9g/Flags_of_the_American_Ci vil_War_1_-_Confederate.pdf
The original confederate flag was made entirely out of cotton and had of the state stars stolen. The issue features:
- Confederate flag but blue
- Confederate flag with cross
- Something that looks like a warhammer faction (Choctaw Brigade)
- and ten variations of flag of the Army of Northern Virginia
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>>18370462
Louisiana was a French colony at one time, and New Orleans even to this day has a French cultural legacy. The French didn't really expand much into the interior of North America, but they did have a lot of settlements up and down a few major rivers, notably in America, the Mississippi River. There's still a few cities that have French names (which are mispronounced by Americans).
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>>18371424
Michigan and other Great Lakes states have a lot of French place names, some of which we manage to pronounce right, but French cultural influence faded a long time ago.
There’s a north/south divide in Louisiana, with north Louisiana resembling the rest of Dixie with redneck and black culture. New Orleans and south Louisiana weren’t just French but had a polyglot Caribbean port culture and a racial caste system more like Latin America. The first black regiment to see major combat in the ACW was the Louisiana Native Guard, made up of mixed race creoles from New Orleans.,
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>>18370462
>>18371424
France by the 1850s/60s was also seen as a very modern, succesful and prestigous military. Thus french customs like uniforms were imitated by many armies all over the world - most well known being the new Imperial Japanese Army.
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The 43rd Virginia Cavalry Battalion - also known as Mosby's Raiders. As a partisan cavalry formation they had no formal uniform but generally wore grey/butternut pieces of clothing when conducting operations. A member wrote in his memoires regarding their uniform: ""Something gray" was the one requisite of our dress and the cost of it mattered little." This member of Mosby's Raiders also denied that they wore blue union uniforms but there are also testamonies that state that Mosby's Raiders did wear union colors. Armament wise Mosby's Raiders preferred revolvers (at least a pair but every man carried as many as he could) over sabres and carbines. But their most important arm were their horses as every man ought to have at least two. This allowed them much strategic and tactical maneuverability, which Mosby used skillfully. Militarily speaking their value was that they bound a large amount of union forces, which guarded points of interest, supply lines and train & telegraph lines.
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>>18370462
Not only americans, it was a worldwide mania at this point. Just take at look at
>ITALY:
>Papal Zouaves
>Calabresi zouaves
>POLAND:
>Zouaves of death
>SPAIN:
>Carlist Zouaves
>OTTOMAN EMPIRE:
>Albanian Zouaves
>Tripoli zouaves
Plus some lesser known zouave formation in South America.
>picrel: Zouaves of death