>>18369265
If God were truly omnipotent, he would have stopped Satan a long time ago.

>>18369314
there is no evil satan entity causing evil in the world. Just God. YOU, the ego, separate from God, are "Satan". Lucifer's fall from Heaven is you realizing that not worshiping Yahweh is an option.

God's creation is good (all that exists)
Evil is a desire to harm the creation of God (causing death)

>>18369331
>Evil is a desire to harm the creation of God (causing death)
God creates the things that "harm his creation", they are a feature not a bug. Everything is exactly as God wants it, including all the natural disasters, murder, and child rape. The whole "evil is the absence of God" thing is a massive cope.

>>18369341
I didn't say that evil is the absence of God. God's goal was to share his creation with other conscious beings so he did create the possiblity of humans being evil (as he did with everything else) but evil is something that happens in an opposition to God's creation, that's why humans are supposed to trust God so that they will not cause harm to others and all that shit

>>18369265
>...How is God permitting Satan to rule the world not evil?
they gotta cope somehow, humans using logical fallacies like equivocation fallacy and playing dumb is the only way to keep the cope of cosmic justice going in a world full of everything but.

>>18369347
>God's goal was to share his creation with other conscious beings
if this was the case we wouldnt be living in a world basically indistinguishable from the one where that god doesnt exist, as in, to share something with someone, the basic thing you would have to do is make sure the other person at least knows you exist.
and he wouldnt have created a world that centers around suffering and the consciousnesses having to kill each other just to survive.

>>18370141
There is no "world where God doesnt exist"
God created the reality and you experiencing it is thanks to Him, suffering is created by humans who choose to act aganist his principles
You can think of it as Life = God and death = no God, when you follow God, you walk towards life and when you choose to rebel against him, you walk towards death

>>18370158
>There is no "world where God doesnt exist"
proof? none.

also, i said "that god" as in, the benevolent god you were talking about and not some generic deity.

>suffering is created by humans who choose to act aganist his principles
your omnipotent being specifically choose to create a world with suffering instead of one without. people who get raped dont choose to get raped and yet suffer, you literally dont have an answer to this.

>>18370261
God is angry at the world.

>>18370261
>muh proof
are you retarded?
People who are poor on Earth will be strong in heaven so I say they are lucky

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>>18370282
>no proof
thanks for conceeding.

>>18370308
proof theres no God?

>>18370289
He created them, he can make them suffer 10,000 years in hell if he desires. Better be careful with the one who can do whatever he wants.

>>18370311
>theist is so low iq he doesnt know what burden of proof is
lol

The only reason I worship God is because I'm scared to death of going to Hell.

>>18370312
>the omnipotent omniscient god created something in a specific way and then he was angry that its in that specific way
brutal retardation.

>>18370315
who created universe?

>>18370318
you think there is any meaning in serving a sadistic god master? if he wanted to make u suffer, he would know that you are trying to pascal wager yourself out of suffering, and he would then punish you more.

so there is no point in worshipping a omnipotent being that already wants to fuck you over. and if he doesnt want to fuck you over, then there is no need to be scared of him.

>>18370324
again kid, you made a positive universal claim
>There is no "world where God doesnt exist"
its on you to prove what you yourself are asserting as true, retard

>>18370329
can you tell me who created universe?

>>18370332
>breaks down into an NPC the moment he gets asked to prove what he said as true
brutal, concession accepted.

guess he won't tell me who created the universe
he conceded quicker than i thought

>>18370341
Who created god?

God is not bound by the causality bucko, he always existed

>>18370348
The universe always existed. Thanks for playing.

>>18370319
He created them like you because he wanted someone foolish enough to dare to do evil so that he can display his wrath.

Your opinion is inncorect with our understanding of the science, it's impossible for things on the material plane to "always exist", there is always a cause for something

>>18370353
damn, your god is one big low iq emotional retard then.

>>18370355
The universe is held up and surrounded by large baboon-like ass cheeks that exist outside this universe which are not bound by the causality and always existed.

>>18370325
That's where you wrong because he delights in people who try to do what he says is right so someone who fears him enough to not do evil will experience a display of generosity and love never before seen in the universe.

Those who he loves will never lack anything good for all eternity, he will just shower them with pleasure.

>>18370356
Hahahaha, are you hurting me? NO, I'm not the one who will pay for your words. You are.

you are free to believe in that
anyway, i take it as a proof that you don't have any scientific explanation as to why the reality exist and so i emerge victorious, have fun

>>18370360
so the supposed omnipotent omniscient omnibelevolent god is an emotional vengeful low iq retard? if your position results in absurdity then its a false position.

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>>18370360
>Those who he loves will never lack anything good for all eternity, he will just shower them with pleasure.

Muslims and Christians are hedonists. They just want to be in mindless ecstasy for eternity. Christians are a tiny step above since they at least don't say you can drink wine and have sex with virgin girls in heaven.

>>18370366
Not only will you have to face him, but you will have to face the 10 thousand mighty ones who surround his throne and are zealous for him with unbelievable zealousy. Don't say I didn't warn you when they beat the everliving crap out of you like a petulant child for speaking insolence against their beloved Father in front of the whole universe.

>>18370362
>NO, I'm not the one who will pay for your words. You are.
thats right, and dont forget to work extra hard for your boss tomorrow and never rebel so when your pitiful 100 years of slavery finally ends god who was silent the entire time and since the dawn of time he will make it all right and cuddle you in a fuzzy blanket because you were a good cog in the machine while punishing all of the evil people you dont like in the world that are ruling you right now. the god that was right next to the millions of children while they were being raped for decades until death and didnt do anything and the god that forced people into existence and forces people in hell to continue existing infinitely instead of granting them "free will" to just disappear surely exists and will one day somehow make it all right, because surely, if he isnt real, how could a retard of a modern man ever cope with the brutality of reality?

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>>18370373
I don't care.

>>18370371
>Pleasure bad.
Cope.>>18370374
This but unironically.

>>18370378
>pleasure in this world... LE BAD
>pleasure in heaven... LE GOOD
>>18370378
We know you you enjoy being a slave. We should start calling Christians good house niggers, because that's what they are.

>>18370365
Probably one of the dumbest amerigolem 14 year olds I've talked to on this website.

And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones

To execute judgement upon all,

And to destroy all the ungodly:

And to convict all flesh

Of all the works of their ungodliness which they have ungodly committed,

And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.

>>18370382
I love being God's slave. He treats me better than anyone on earth.

And if He sends His anger upon you because of your deeds, ye cannot petition Him; for ye spake proud and insolent words against His righteousness: therefore ye shall have no peace.

>>18370373
if your low iq emotional retard god cant easily dismantle my basic limited human arguments then he may atomize my very soul but he still lost the debate against truth itself.

>>18370390
He invented truth.

>>18370395
>He invented truth.
if that were the case he wouldnt have contradicted. your god isnt real and you cant prove otherwise, you can only hope for this to be the case because it grants you emotional comfort.

>>18370389
>I love being God's slave
We know. That's what I just said. Yeah you have a good massa don't you boy

>>18370399
I have already witness him, nothing can convince me he isn't real. This God seems tortuous to you because you are crooked, but if you flee from the hatred of your heart and seek him, he will forgive you and show himself to you.

With the merciful he shows himself merciful but with the merciless he is merciless. You are the one who dictates how he treats you, how you treat others is how the Lord treats you.

>>18370403
Surely. I wish I could make my nest in the crevices of the sandals under his feet.

>>18370409
Putting your humiliation fetish on full display.I see.

>>18370411
My friend, the feet of the Most High are like diamond and emeralds, they smell greater than a field of roses and shine brighter than the sun. You underestimate how holy the Holy One is.

>>18370414
I am not your friend.

>>18370417
Sadly.

>>18370407
>I have already witness him, nothing can convince me he isn't real.
people from every other cult and religion claim the same and yet you dont believe them.

>>18370420
I do, I know many spirits exist who interact with many people. Most people ain't larping.

>>18370422
>Most people ain't larping
this cant be the case because most world religions contradict heavily, so they all cant be true at the same time.

>>18370423
Spirits lie and deceive.

>>18370430
so your experience could have been a deception then.

>>18370432
Yes could have, but God proves me he was God. The colorful display of his glory that I saw and the euphoric bliss I felt cannot be faked by the devil.

>>18369265
It's a lesson so (You) can learn how to be humble before God. If (You) actually manage to figure it out before (You) die, then (You) get the prize of being reunited with God. On the contrary, if (You) fail, as most do, (You) wind up in hell being tortured for eternity. It's actually not that difficult of a decision and most things here, especially this thread that (You) made, are designed to distract (You) from just how obvious it is.

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the loosh prison planet theory is the only framework that makes sense

as above so below

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>it's another retards argue free-will defense on the premise that free-will is self evidently good
okay now cogently argue that free-will is self-evidently or inherently good in a logical vacuum where evil does not exist. I double dog dare you to not go in circles on that one.

>>18369265
Evil doesn't exist in itself, it's an action done while ignoring God. But if evil is done against a true servant of God, then God will convert it to good, as when Joseph's brothets sold him into slavery and yet this ended up saving the lives of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people during the famine.
>But Joseph said to them, “Don’t be afraid. Am I in the place of God? 20 You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives. 21 So then, don’t be afraid.

>>18371067
Seems pretty evil of God to create people knowing most of them will burn for eternity. Creating someone for the purpose of sending them to Hell.

>>18371316
>Evil doesn't exist in itself, it's an action done while ignoring God
Wrong, Isaiah 45:7 disagrees.

Before you go
>REEEEE IT MEANS CALAMITY
The word translated as "evil" is the same hebrew word translated in genesis to evil in "knowledge of good and evil"

>>18371523
A lot of non believers are going to be saved in the end through the mercy of God. They will have no honor and will receive no rewards because they were not rigtheous and did not stand for the name of God, but he will still save them from hell.

He will allow them to witness the glorious bodies given to the righteous a s when they see it they will repent and will be saved. But because they did not believe before they saw and did not trust or had faith or obeys they'll have no honor. Still better than hell. They will be allows to live in the presence of the righteous and will likely worship them.
...
And the righteous shall be victorious in the name of the Lord of Spirits:

And He will cause the others to witness (this)

That they may repent

And forgo the works of their hands.

3 They shall have no honour through the name of the Lord of Spirits,

Yet through His name shall they be saved,

And the Lord of Spirits will have compassion on them,

For His compassion is great.

>>18371566
>A lot of non believers are going to be saved in the end through the mercy of God.
Not what the Bible says. As usual Christniggers treating their personal headcanon as fact because they don't actually read the Bible.

>>18371576
Enoch said it and I trust God's scribe as God himself.

>>18371523
Have you talked to most people here? It actually is pretty awesome that they get punished lol