>>7862214 I am pretty much locked to free tiers. I know there's krita and one other I can't recall that compete for free. PS or Adobe is still like 20 a month right?
>>7862218 genuinely, i'd go for Clip Studio Paint, even if you have to pay for it, the pro version is enough... if you decide to use PS, just pirate it with GenP, it's safe and completely free
>>7862300 yeah... CSP is way faster and lighter, the brush engine is highly customizable, there are bazillions of free brushes (including PS file brush) and lots of tutorials
Do good references don't exist in the western shithole? lmao, it's the internet at least put some effort when looking for reference, It's always garbage.
>>7867713 Because I'm too beautiful. Im tired of having women chase after me. My girlfriend won't stop calling me to talk about her normie problems while I'm trying to focus on my art
>>7869053 If that's how you want to be, fine. Just ask yourself if, "I don't like drawing cute things" is really where you want to go. I didn't either, but I also want to be true to myself and not just a reactionary to the glut of cute.
>>7875220 Try anyway! If it's impossible then there's no shame in failing because you were never going to get it. Pretty sweet deal. No go draw so you can post it and tell me to go fuck myself.
>>7875260 wtf these are good. I kinda thought I was going to get Howie scribbles and I'd have to lie and say some "You have lots of potential!" bullshit. But these are fine, unfinished, but fine.
>>7875260 never draw what you see. your best attempt is the unga on the bottom right >>7875430 >I'd have to lie and say some "You have lots of potential!" bullshit hate fake-positive people like this the most
>>7876215 you did great indicating form in your piece!! very soulful lines
>>7879557 try to be mindful of the spaces between body parts and background. there's a wider gap between her arms, and more of a trapezoid shape between her belly, legs, and arms. don't be afraid to gently include lines to suggest form or light/shadow
I also overlayed my lineart on the ref and realized her head and shoulder is too far left/down. I really tried to observe as much as I could in the ref but still made that mistake. Is there a way to prevent that kind of thing in the planning phase?
>>7879592 you could very loosely sketch (using a lower opacity brush) your observation aka "gesture" then adjust by adding darker lines as you make corrections. don't be afraid to exaggerate a little during the loose sketch. the curve on her back? make it very curved. artists have a tendency to "soften" a pose or "correct" an angle. otherwise keep practicing your observational skills. think about relations between parts; how long her torso and arms are, the space on her shoulder, etc.
what i like to do is do a pure observation piece - then trace the photo next to that figure, then copy the first piece, plop it next to the traced result and see where my errors are and make corrections on it. it makes me notice where my errors in my observational skills faster. eg: i have a tendency to make the head slightly large or whatever. but that is for practicing realism. once you find yourself bored or getting a decent grasp on it and you just wanna draw cartoon characters, use references to practice stylization. push and pull, shrink and enlarge, play with lines
>>7875436 >hate fake-positive people like this the most Whole heatedly agree >>7875481 >why? does it betray your trust or something? Because it breeds fake confidence and inept smugness about their work that hinders them in the long run. It's like how mid women feel entitled because they have a bunch of simps showering them in complements in hopes of getting pussy now they want a man with a six figure income while they're a single mom or something. Same with the art, they'll think everyone wants to see their shit drawings and they only have to improve a little bit instead of making things structurally sound. They'll think their way is the best way because they have potential and all they'll need is time (and not consciously analyzing mistakes). You're not giving advice, you're not really saying anything but keeping them in the fog. You might as well say nothing, and those privy to the term like us know it as an insult and know you as a disingenuous person.
>>7887791 Look if you don't have the capacity to tell that your work is shit and believe that somebody being positive while giving criticism is "being fake" then you have bigger mental issues to address. There's a good chunk of people on this board that seem to think the only way to receive "real criticism" is if you're being needlessly torn apart. Like I get some of you respond better to that, but that's a you problem, not the criticism itself.
>>7887802 That's why the best way to give crits is to show not tell. None of the dick waving with the pyw or contentious bullshit of people thinking crits aren't valid. Demonstrate your knowledge by redlining, paintovers all that bs. You can't argue against what is clearly shown unless you're deluded. Fact of the matter is, most people on here don't even know what they want, just a vague idea of what they think they want.
>>7887802 >Look if you don't have the capacity to tell that your work is shit and believe that somebody being positive while giving criticism is "being fake" then you have bigger mental issues to address No it's that people would take it at face value, long time ago I was socially inept and didn't know people were using euphemisms for things (because I was very honest) I thought I was the shit and it did hinder me... I was in high school at the time, looking back at it if they were to tell me what was wrong with it I would've actually fixed it instead of being a smug teenager. >There's a good chunk of people on this board that seem to think the only way to receive "real criticism" is if you're being needlessly torn apart Please stop this false dichotomy shit. I said there's no need to say anything, at least in my above example I was expecting something to be said by peers but posting on an anonymous image board/ social media in general you could just leave the piece of artwork alone and let the silence speak for itself. Saying "There's some potential" does absolutely nothing but dupe people or show you as insincere. You don't need to tear people apart, tell them what's wrong with it in a cordial manner and give a compliment on what they did right to reinforce that habit, simple as. "There's potential" says absolutely nothing.
>>7887808 There's some potential in your post to be good, but If you look at the actual meaning of the words, you would see it's actually telling you you're shit, because you still have room to improve.
>>7887823 see there's absolutely nothing being said in there. I am not very concise and have to remind myself that the majority of people on here are phone posters now.
Are you old enough to remember the disdain people had for phone posters on here? Anyway your insult has potential, but seeing how I draw not write your criticism is warranted.
>>7887808 I made that original post. I don't give "very good" posts to retards. I was just trying to give a pat on the back to a guy who seemed like he needed some confidence to try. I think I'm most people know the difference between comments meant to gas someone up and actual advice about technique. I didn't mean to trigger any aitosmos.
>>7888191 Hi anon, I had a hypothesis, but I need someone like you to test it for me. Can you do the same drawing again, but spend 4x the amount of time on it than you did the first time. And I want to see the results.
I give up, the legless can't grow a leg, so me and my, spinning memory idk. That's all given, and that's all has. Magic, that's why, alot of magics needed.
>>7888263 >>7888266 >>7888267 Taking a photo of your screen with your smartphone's camera to capture a digital drawing, instead of just posting a screenshot of your screen, is so incredibly cursed. Assuming you're drawing with an iPad or something like it, does your tablet not have access to wifi?
>>7862151 Wow! This is really hard! Could i get some critique here? Left is ref, middle is trace of ref and right is before tracing my attempt at drawing her head. My method was to simply draw the shapes i saw and try to disassociate them from what i thought the subject is, so a lot of straight lines to help with that. But i did try to think of the form and how it curves at the mouth where the lips occlude a part of the cheek. How did others actually go about doing this? I am also having trouble thinking of how go through the actual body/pose, but ill get to that in a moment.
I am 100% stuck on how the head and ribcage connect. I am fine with everything else but it all goes bad because im constantly checking relative measurements, and the head-ribcage measurement is off. How do you draw this? I dont want to just draw what i see for the pose, id like to get gesture and/or construction in there, picrel isnt showing the construction and gesture layers, except the ribcage and pelvis slightly.
>>7862151 Been months since I've done one of these challenges so it took me like 4 hours alltogether. Half of that was the face, not sure if it's just because I don't draw women enough or because this broad is just an alien. Would rate her a 10 tho...
>>7872823 7872637 >>7870810 >>7868618 7867684 7864114 7862752 7913143 7896049 7891189 my favorites. (you)s reserved for the pick of the litter (and because of the spam filter). and props to everyone, its not that easy to do. trying is half the battle
>>7917943 yeah, the light is too even and bright, no fun shadows at all. the girls is cute obviously and if it werent for the pose, the reference image would be subpar. good job though, she looks very compact, abductable! and those evil looking crabs! giant enemy crab!
>>7923171 In a thread full of drawings, many adding interesting takes on the initial image, here comes Mr.Crabby Pessimistic acting as if only a singular image did anything good. You fucks are as pretentious as those in the formal art world; only your taste is good and correct, everything else is wrong. Get bent.
>>7923203 its likely himself replying to his own post. getting (You)s is important to some anons for an understandable reason. everyone deserves a few kind words for drawing. i tried to incorporate everyone ITT in my little list/posting here for example >>7917198. if i had a big fridge, all the threads drawings would be on it.
>>7926221 >"These are fine" >"WTF, why are you glazing them, bro?" Nuance and subjectivity are an extremely difficult thing for anons to understand, it seems.
>>7946350 >im still shit at coloring and shadows the reference isnt that rich in shading variation, but there are slight ones you can just copy from. looks good to me already, dont fret too much over it
>>7922374 this feels like the early stages of a painting. you should try and put some more time in. i feel you could do it neatly if you sat down for some hours polishing.
this gave me a lot of trouble earlier this year (https://files.catbox.moe/06zylh.png) so i'm pleased i can attempt it with more confidence now. took me like ~30 minutes
>>7950292 >backwards hands IDGI. are the hands reversed or something? i definitely fucked up the fingers because i didn't notice the gloves going way over the knuckles until the very end but i think i got the orientation close enough atleast.
>>7948830 >>7950315 >>7950334 I think they look fine enough? At least, I don't understand what they mean by 'backwards hands', the thumbs are where they are in the reference. So don't sweat it anon, I like the drawing.
>>7950334 dont listen to trolls. i see the intent. the palms are holding the face slightly contrary to the hand pose in the ref which is more of a cutesy holding them in front of the face. theres some jelly motherfuckers on here like you wouldnt believe. otherwise he wouldve redlined it, but he cant because its stylized and stiöö logical
>>7950345 The ass patting is crazy here. Is the pinky next to the thumb in your minds eye reference too? Stylization means nothing if you can't stylize anatomy properly.
>>7950568 This if you don't want honest critique then don't post your beg garbage. Somebody went out of their way to help you and you spit in their face by disregarding their advice and feigning ignorance about it >>7950334 no you did not want clarification you wanted a heartfelt apology because you clearly think you're perfect and that all critique is a direct insult to you. Grow up. And faggots like >>7950345 make me sick, babying retarded permabegs keeping them from improving because of "muh feelings". Deep down you know his work looks like medicore dogshit, itll do better for both you and him if you rip that bandaid off and tell him what you really think of his work, who are you even virtue signalling for??? Sensitive faggots the lot of you.
>>7950584 if nothing else i respect the lack of self-insight for calling someone else "sensitive" in a pejorative sense at the end of such an emotionally charged post. go to therapy lol
>>7950788 elf fag, you have the reference and a million better drawings than yours to base it off of already. now you want a redline too? big and greedy. just use the reference like you were told and stop crying
>>7950584 >This if you don't want honest critique then don't post your beg garbage. This is your critiques, yeah?: >Initial: "Why are you drawing backwards hands? The reference was right there, use it." >When asked for clarification: "Fucking retarded beg" >When several people say they don't understand the critique: "The ass patting is crazy here. Is the pinky next to the thumb in your minds eye reference too? Stylization means nothing if you can't stylize anatomy properly." Genuinely, if these are your 'honest critique', just stop. You're retarded. You don't know how to critique. You will actively make people worse artists with you shit 'advice'.
>>7950989 nta, just laughing at your ineptitude to use references. redlines are appropriate for when there's no reference. you have many, now go draw it again.
>>7948830 Low effort >>7950339 Says a lot about you if you can find nothing wrong about it. >>7950792 NTA but telling someone to go to therapy is not the scathing insult you think it is. If you think you're sooo above the critique of others I reccomend you leave this board and don't come back, we won't miss your medicore anime girls I promise. And a word of advice, several consecutive posts that just so happen to defend you make your samefaggery quite obvious.
>>7951044 >Says a lot about you if you can find nothing wrong about it. That wasn't was said. They said they can't see how the hands are "backwards". And I bet anything your the same anon who made that critique, same fagging and pretending that people agree with you. Pathetic.
>>7951077 "i got a critique i didn't like and now i want to be spoonfed despite having an entire thread of good drawings that illustrate exactly what i did wrong!"
>>7951070 >I don't understand what they mean by 'backwards hands', the thumbs are where they are in the reference >the thumbs are where they are in the reference >in the reference >reference Strange, it's almost like they did look at the reference. Did you?
>>7951084 and what the fuck is going on in your mind that you think these hands are a good representation of the reference? take your female feelings and art style out of /ic if you cant handle it without samefagging
>>7951087 I'm not saying the hands are perfect, they're basically just rectangles, they're abstracted and stylized. However, how are they "backwards" - the criticism we're trying to get you to actually extrapolate on.
>>7951096 how many devices are you posting on, femcel? triggered af. i already said i'm nta, turns out multiple people think you're bad and don't want to spoon feed you
>>7951097 haha, you were called out for same fagging, and now you're trying to 'NO U" us? Yeah, the other guy is right, you're just trolling. Wrap it up everyone, this is pointless.
>>7951133 samefag but this is why >pyw is so important. you have no idea if knowing the guy bitching at you is a nodraw or not. either draw the reference better than the woman/tranny did or fuck off. dumb niggies
>>7951134 there's nothing wrong with giving critique without having to prove yourself or draw every little thing for someone else, but telling someone something completely wrong and then shitting up the thread with like 20 replies is insane to me
>>7951142 >there's nothing wrong with giving critique without having to prove yourself YES there is ESPECIALLY if nobody was asking for you to critique them. prove that you are worth listening to. be brave and back up your bitching with evidence of your skill. the only reason for you not to do this is if you know you are no better (or worse) than whoever you are bitching at >>7951150 PYW, PYR, or stop acting like a no balls faggot
>>7951156 >come into a thread that tells you to draw the pose >he’s a nodraw beglet so he can’t >seethes that anyone who tells you to stop being a pussy is actually a foid LOLLLLLL