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Why you should not trust youtube shills:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH1WEYF8rlA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Twy5Wo8m284
Do not worry pressure levels. 1024 is more than enough.
Remember to ignore all chinese shills. They often post paid twitter promos from random artists. It's all shilling, ignore it.
Recommended tablets:
>Screenless:
Used Intuos 3, 4, 5, Pro, One by Wacom
>Display:
Small (10-11"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S6 Lite
Medium (12-16"): Samsung Galaxy Tab S8/S9 Ultra, used iPad Pro 12.9" Gen 1-5
Large (22"+): Cintiq 22, Cintiq Pro 27, used 24 Pro, 27QHD
Avoid:
>XP-Pen, Huion, Gaomon and every other Chinese brand making Wacom imitations
Poor build quality, pens with wavy lines, wobbly nibs, broken tilt, issues registering light pressure, terrible customer support, uncalibrated displays. All Chinese brands have the same problems. Check out the webm to understand how bad they are.
Do not be fooled by myths like "Chink companies are just as good as Wacom now" - they've been saying this for over 10 years, nothing has changed.
Chinese companies have also been proven to shill on 4chan. You will see dozens upon dozens of posts in this thread by a chinese schizo shill, who will either be bitching about the OP, gaslighting as a Wacom fan, making pointless spam posts or giving terrible advice (like recommending Huion). Just ignore and report him.
>New iPads
Massively overpriced and overhyped.
>Microsoft Surface Pro
More optimized for palm rejection than good quality drawing. Wobbly lines when drawing slow and straight.
>Cintiq 13-16"
Completely outclassed by the Galaxy Tab Ultra & iPad
>Lenovo
Worse than Samsung in every way.
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I'm still loving my Tab A8 with a capacitive stylus, as bad as that sounds, a good capacitive stylus with a matte screen protector is pretty good if you're on a budget.
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>>7864444
Parallax? Check the drivers to see if you can calibrate your screen. That shit never goes completely away, it's barely noticeable in mid-high high tier screen tablet but those costs way more than 50 euros. Yeah you constantly fight against the monitor with digital, you just have to live with it.
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>>7864476
when you calibrate it, hold it the way you want to and in the position/angle you use it in and it will be slightly better
but older/cheaper tablets are always a bit off, especially towards the edges of the display. on some you can hardly click on UI elements in the corners
>>7864532
mine has two buttons so I use one for right clicking, helpful for UI/menus. second is alt+right click, then you can drag to change brush size/softness in photoshop
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I have a cintiq pro 13 for a while now I am considering a new cintiq 16 or a larger used one mainly because I want one that works on a vesa arm instead of the shitty tablet holder arm im using currently
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>>7864949
Same. I'm considering upgrading from a 2017 Wacom One but I don't have enough space because I still use the same desk my parents got me when I was like 12, I'd have to also get a new adjustable height desk with one of those fancy robo arms for drawing tablets but... is it really worth it to drop 1k on just the desk setup? Eh.
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>>7864031
Reminder that OP is a faggot who doesn't even draw, paint, or sculpt.
He literally only lives for making these retarded threads.
He's the equivalent of a basedddit moderator.
Wasting his life a way. No actual skill, no talent, no real passion, nothing to look forward to, except for that dopamine hit of "managing" his personal thread.
Professional artist here. I've been using a Huion Kanvas Pro 24(4k) for a few years now, no problems so far. I really like how the pen feels, and both pen tips types feel good imo. I usually use the plastic one for whenever I'm using Zbrush, or painting, and use the other for whenever I'm drawing or sketching.
Would recommend it, better than any of my previous Wacom tablets, but I have never tried the Cintiq, but from what I have seen, I don't think it would be worth the extra money.
OP, this is the Chinese century. Get used to it, faggot.
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I have pic rel and it was good on my 1080p monitor, but now Im using 1440p monitor and when I slowly draw I can see wobbles (especially in adobe animate), so I want to buy new tablet.
Small size is cool because I don't have enough space and I don't like to move hand but idk if it does matter? Does tablet size matter more or LPI? Is getting same size tablet with more LPI fix the issue?
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Surprisingly, I really enjoy my large intuos pro 3, I believe is the generation. It's a comfort thing, and at first it can be exhausting to move your arm so much. After a while, I got used to moving my shoulder more, while made my lines much more consistent. I was lucky, and I got mine for 50 usd and a compatible pro pen for 30, so 80 usd total, plus a 2 dollar micro USB cable I had lying around. If you can, I'd definitely advice going for the the largest size you can manage, and if that's a medium, then get that.
Also, don't buy a screenless wacom as new. If I were to buy a brand new screenless tablet, and it's not wacom, I would consider buying an XPPEN's Deco Pro Gen 2. In my case, I'd buy the largest option, but you'll probably want the medium, if space is a priority. It's seems really good, and the pen looks very comfortable, which a lot of not-wacom tablets struggle a lot with.
The smallest one is slightly larger than the Wacom One you're using, but I'd try to make space for something bigger. Your wrists will thank you in the long run.
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>>7865642
They are, which is why I bought a used one, but a lot of people online swear by the Deco 2 series, so take it with what you will. Reddit seems to like it, and they are notoriously obnoxious. I'm getting one soon, if that's a consideration, though I'm still saving up for one in my hobby budget.
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Damn, what a sad life...
I've been using the Huion Inspiroy Giano G930L since release and so far i've never had a problem with it. I mostly do drawings, but recently i started sculpting on ZBrush.
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>first stepping stone in getting into the hobby is a thread made by a looneybin who doesn't even draw
nice humiliation board, /ic/ucks
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>>7865788
I use a (then) roughly 400-500 usd intuos pro tablet. It's a workhorse, while every single display tablet I've had has had input lag, no mater the brand. It's like comparison a computer mouse to touchscreens. For me, minimal input lag is everything.
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>>7866145
Sure. It seems good enough from what reviews I can see online. The pen looks fine, which is the only thing I really care about. My previous Gaomon tablet had a slim pen, and it was completely shit. The Deco 1 v3 generally seems much better.
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Are the FE variants of the S8/S9 tablets good enough?
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I had the next tablets through the years:
Wacom Intuos CTL-480.
Wacom Intuos Pro M PTH-651
Huion Kamvas Pro 16 (2019).
Huion Kamvas Pro 22 (2019).
Wacom Cintiq 21UX.
Wacom One 13.
Huion Kamvas 13 (2020).
XP-Pen artist Pro 16 2nd Gen.
Huion Kamvas RDS-220
If you doubts about those models, I'm open to your questions.
>PYW
Here's my stuff:
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someone asked but I need to know too,
wacom intuos small or xp pen deco 1 v3?
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>>7866984
The Wacom tablets feel closer to using mice, in terms of latency. I used to own a Bamboo tablet, and I've used a few non Wacom tablets. All other makers of screenless tablets have had a small amount of latency. Not much, but some. I can't speak of newer tablets, though my Gaomon MK10 pro was just plain bad, a relatively new-ish tablet. I'd bet that +100 USD tablets are closer in feel to the general Wacom tablets, but my old used Intuos Pro feels as zippy as ever.
I'm biased, though. I don't like screen tablets, mostly because of latency, even a miniscule amount is unacceptable for me. It feels like I'm guiding the brush using a rubber band or a string and it's trying to catch up, instead of the brush following my 1:1 with my input, if that makes sense. Even on my m1 iPad Air 4, it's unbearable after a while, and my Cintiq 13HD had the same feel. I sold the latter after a week of use.
I'd also go for a medium, but that's notably more expensive. Also, Wacom tablets are much cheaper used, and unless it has large amount of scratches, you won't notice it.
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Newfag here; I got a HUION Inspiroy H640P and I'm trying to learn how to use it.
The issue I'm having is whenever I put pressure down to draw something it opens up this circular menu and it's so fucking annoying since I can't make small details without it opening.
Do I need to change the pen tip or something? Do I need to disable a setting or something?
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I can't get used to both Screenless and Screen AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>7867232
That's the drivers being a bitch. Go the HuionTablet program then find the Software Diagnosis button. Click on both repairs then try again.
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This is the start of my fourth year of drawing, and I always drawn on a one-by-wacom small, but I'm thinking of buying Picrel for drawing. Is it good?
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It's a problem with Windows, it thinks you're using a touch tablet and trying to right click.
On windows 11 go to Bluetooth and Devices in the settings thing, Pen & Windows Ink, then make sure "Enable press and hold to perform a right-click equivalent" is not checked.
similar setting should exist for win 10 if ur on it
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How many professional or accomplished digital artists use tablets without a screen (like Wacom Intuos)? Are there people that get far and do great work with these? Just curious, I'm somewhat of a beginner and mostly draw traditionally.
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Craig Mullins, one of the first artists to use digital art in the entertainment industry, made art using not only without a screen tablet; he made stuff like the pic using a fucking mouse. Screenless tablets are just another tool to make art digitally, and there are many people that prefer them over screen tablets.
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anyone uses a macropad? I just got one of these for dirt cheap and I quite like it, although I think those multiple nobs are not very practical as I thought they would be, it is still quicker to adjust configs with the sliding bars with the pen, if I use the knobs too frequently the back of my hand hurts
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all of these are 5 year old models I believe, I do own one, and the only issue I have is that the pen tip misaligns with a cursor when I change how I hold my pen, which is pretty annoying desu, hopefully they fixed that in newer models
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...whatever
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Is the mix of android tablet+wacom screenless too retarded or does it work ok? Theres some strong tablets that dont come with good pens or dont have pen support that are cheaper than an s8 or better than an s6 lite but i understandably dont see much about it, any input on this weird combo?
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I wish Samsung's Lite and FE tablets had HDMI output... crazy how it's a "premium" feature only the flagship models have.
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What tablet does he use?
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>>7864031
I just really enjoy drawing/painting outside and from life. I want a tablet that's slightly bigger (or at least a little wider) than A4, I don't care if it's more cumbersone to carry around. What are the good options in current year?
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>wacom intuos croaks after about 6-7 years
>buy new display tablet, xp pen artist 16 gen 2
>the thing just refuses to link to the display, only did it twice (meaning it can do it given the driver and setup)
>tried to check answers on orange alien pleb site, nothing worked
>can't just be faulty cables/ports cause the rare times it worked it remained stable and perfectly useful
what the fuck is it then? maybe i really shouldn't have feel for chinkshit?
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>>7876469
i have that same exact tablet and never had a display issue, but once my pen stopped working and that was because it was plugged into the old usb port (don't use usb 2.0)
offtopic: why do i still need to enter captcha after verifying my email?
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>>7877056
If by goypad you mean ipad, it's alright. Don't fall for the marketing about it being an insane device though. It's good but nothing that doesnt exist on the market elsewhere.
Procreate is really comfy and i find the pencil nice, but you will get skinned alive on accessories unless you manage to find sales on those. Also, why do you want the pro model in particular?
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How do I get my ipad pro to stop randomly changing the brightness? I have true tone and night shift disabled but it still randomly dims the screen. I also just lowered the brightness manually and literally watched the bar move itself back up in the settings app.
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oh my god thank you anon i use an ipad mini as a left handed person, the camera is placed in a portrait manner as opposed to landscape and presumably brightness sensors being in/near the camera combined with being left handed fucked my shit up until today. i think ipad front cameras being in a landscape orientation is a recent development so if you are left handed like me and your hand covers your camera/left side additional psa
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>>7878352
ok for ipad mini 6/7 the sensor is apparently at the top left landscape and top right portrait, criteria being your apple pencil has to be attached at the top (landscape) or right(portrait), visible by a flashlight
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>take case off ipad
>suddenly way more comfortable to draw on
It's so much lighter and now there's no annoying ridge around the screen. Might keep it like this and reserve the case for when I take it out of the house.
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Question to anyone that has used both a screenless and a screen tablet:
is there any difference in feel? I have a xp pen artist pro 13.3, I've been using it for some time now but it very obviously lacks a feeling at least compared to actually drawing using charcoal or pastel (tilt is also broken and pressure seems unreliable, no matter how much I tweak the curves). Is this better with a screenless tablet? Feel is quite important to me.
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not planning to buy anything but I ended up on the wacom website today, and they now sell a 14inch screen tablet for $300?
god damn kids these days have it good, when I started we had one size of cintiq for $2k and that was it
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still can't draw properly with my intuos pro medium... I always end up drawing with my wrist so it's taxing to constantly remind myself to draw with the shoulder
debating if I should try harder to git gud with it or just buy a pen display. I could buy a Kamvas Pro 24 (4K model) at 1000€ or Xp-Pen Artist Pro 22 2nd Gen at 720€.I have the money for the Cintiq 2025 24" (the one at 1400€ without touch) but not sure if it's worth it to get this at double the price of the artist pro 22.
Anyone that has any of these pen displays?
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Just spent 135 bux on a used kamvas pro 13 because I was in a shit mood. The cursor thing is the worst problem; at least my shitty old XP-Pen did what I wanted it to do. But for now it's worth it to actually draw instead of wasting more time looking for the prefect tablet. It'll make me appreciate better quality stuff later on :-/
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The 4-6 inch tablets are useless, aren't they?
I only have $30 but all the 10" tablets here cost $50 and upwards.
I did measurements on a piece of paper and the 4" and 6" working area sizes seem too small for drawing, especially if I'm going to draw a lot and maybe draw professionally.
What do you guys think?
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do NOT get a small tablet man trust me it's worth saving up, it just makes it so much more comfortable. small is just too small and you're going to mainly be drawing with your wrist which will cause problems with stamina/arthritis. you can still draw good shit but you will basically be forced into drawing japanese style with tons of small short strokes
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Anyone else here switch from a screen tablet back to screenless? Recently bought a used intuos pro for ergonomic reasons (and sick of having my kamvas eat up half of my desk) and boy is it rough. Guess the only way to improve is "just draw".
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>>7880491
>buy small tablet
>draw uncomfortably in there for hours
>art ended up to be bad
>bad looking art ruined mood to draw and improve your skill in drawing
>abandon drawing
>lost $30-50 on top of that
Dont do that. Save more to get atleast 13 inch tablet because its the same size of a4 paper and you can draw comfortably in there
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Retarded anon here when it comes to display graphic tablets and needs help
I'm thinking about buying this one and I don't have big idea about it
So please help me (your experience if you had one) and if there's better options tell me
Thank you
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i've been running pth-660 with titanium nib more than 2 years and not feeling for anything more than this for now
>>7868773
i got one for less than 10 bucks which has 1 knob, 3 buttons with configurable firmware and never looked back; i only use knob for brush size, probably single knob would've worked just as well for me
>>7869871
aliexpress got shittons of it
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>>7883464
Sorry for the late reply, I forgot I had posted in this thread.
My only other experiences with tablets have been screenless Huions and Wacoms, as well as my current iPad pro. I haven't used samsung tablets, so I cannot say if its as good or not. My main gripe with the one 13 is the awkward size of the active area (its really wide but not that tall). Past that, it is pretty limited in terms of angles due to having a pair of kickstands but no real mounting arm support. You can probably remedy this with aftermarket solutions, but then you're paying even more. If I were to compare it to my ipad, which is not really a fair comparison considering they're completely different devices and with wildly different budget ranges, it's awful. I'd much rather just draw on a screenless again over it desu.
BUT if you're really desperate for a screen display and you dont mind the things I just mentioned, 80 dollars is NOT a bad deal for it considering it retails for hundreds more.
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Are XP Pen tablets REALLY that bad? I bought a DECO01 5 years ago and only now I am thinking of replacing it because I fucked up the connection due to bad care, but the tablet itself works just fine and its very comfortable for me.
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>>7884148
I think it depends. If you dislike a slippery surface, they're not bad. Read reviews for the ones you're looking at to see if they affect image quality / damage nibs.
My only experience is using the newer paperlikes on an ipad, and I like them. But apparently in the past they caused nib wear so ymmv.
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>>7884121
I havent heard many bad things about any of the big tablet brands outside of Huion.
A few of my friends use XP Pen tablets and they haven't complained about em for years, so I don't think they're bad. If you like em, use em.
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Can you guys answer me this question.
I have this Intuos Pro I got from my sister, pretty much the only tablet I ever touched. I installed new brushes that are supposed to rotate (in Photoshop).
But how does it work with the pen cause the only way I managed to make the brushes rotate is by tilting/flattening the pen against the tablet. And it's not very intuitive, the rotation feels off and I have to try the same stroke several times to reach the goal.
Is this the normal behavior?
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>>7884121
I bought a Deco 01 V2 a while ago and it served me fine. It's got its downsides compared to the Wacom tablets I have, but it also got the job done for whenever I needed to use a tablet.
I'd figure it's about what you need from a tablet, what your price range is, and how well you adapt to the physical layout of your tablet.
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Ive been looking for display tablets with specifically etched glass screens for that rough paper feel for sketching, so far the only affordable one I managed to spot is the Cintiq 16 from last year, everything else with etched glass from Wacom cost retarded money and I dont have any hedge fund managers in my family
Any other options from different brands I should know of?
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>>7889822
krita is good but you could also just buy the cheap version of clip studio paint for 15 bucks and save headaches, also you will run into random mildly annoying issues with krita maybe because it's FOSS
>gimp
absolutely not
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>>7890220
If you're open-source minded, not a whole lot, besides Krita. If not, then check out the Affinity suite. It's closer to Photoshop in feel, but it's pretty decent. The brush engine for drawing, though, is not the most advanced, but it's serviceable.
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Sup, ive an intuos3 a4, i need something bigger for my 4k monitor. Is there any benefit to buy a newer model? Intuos 4 or 5?
There much less to choose from right now on the second hand market than it used to. SO im not sure if i should go for a newer model or just choose any model thats in a good condition.
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I use a lenovo m11, bought it for note making and studying but it up drawing , u can use it as drawing tab with ur pc or laptop with virtual tablet lite app , u have to setup using reddit or yt, always use usb feature to connect , wifi connection isnt worthit , overall I can say it's the best of beginners
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I’ve been having trouble with how vivid my cintiq is.
I’m told the colour is the most accurate, but on other screens and in print the art always ends up looking so much worse. I really don’t know how to change my workflow knowing this.
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