I've never seen someone good at painting unless they're also good at drawing. Unless they paint a bunch of atmospheric/abstract crap. It's a sub-skill of drawing.

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>>7880757
I mean.

>>7880761
Yeah, it's mediocre all around

>>7880762
PYW

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>>7880763
Oh, it's the DaB guy lmao. That explains so much.

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>>7880761
People will mock this painting, but I've never seen such an accurate artistic depiction of fetal alcohol syndrome before; truly marvelous

>>7880757
>never watched a ruan jia stream

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>>7880850

Would you put lipstick on a pig?

>>7880860
Yeah, my wife!

>>7880859
>2022

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>>7880761
Irshad is one of those odd cases of having decent technical skill but lacking appeal and having a stunted quality of self expression. I guess it fits that his persona is "Uncomfortable".

That piece isn't really bad on a technical level (left eye's a bit off though), it just looks unappealing. He can draw a box, but he can't make the box act, feel lively or look cute, if that makes sense. That's only natural, because there is more to drawing from imagination than merely modeling objects, there is simulating motion, action and reaction. You have to imagine feeling what the character is feeling, making the expression they're making. You have to learn to put a bit of your heart in it. I think he could get better at that aspect if he worked at it.

I do idly wonder whether or not he's on the autistic spectrum, since to my understanding that can cause one to have issues connecting with or understanding others emotionally, and possibly even understanding and expressing one's own self properly. Can't say for certain though.

Drawing is more important, and learning to render with a pencil is second. Painting is a whole other thing.

>>7880757
I saw it a lot when there were more anons trying to be concept artists. now everyone is afraid of rendering.

a good drawing can stand on it's own without rendering

rendering cannot stand on it's own without a drawing

>>7880756
What the fuck are you gonna render if you can’t draw?
One comes before the other

>>7880893
Doesnt the box jeet also have aphantasia? Could explain why he has 0 appeal.

>>7880968
Glen Keane apparently has it. So does Rubber Ross, and Salgood Sam. Many artists who have it don't even realize there's anything out of the ordinary until way later. I imagine that could be part of his problem, though? In a lot of his older pieces especially he seems to have particular difficulty imagining/simulating characters performing actions, and also characters feeling disjointed or disconnected from the scene and each other.

>>7880964
That's just false. Draftsmanship and Painting are two distinct schools of art. Turbotards such as yourself insist that they need each other when the reality is they don't. You further that retardation by claiming that only draftsmanship can stand on its own merits. I'd ask you to post your work but I already know you're a beglet with how you're speaking.

>>7880757
Same. Everytime I see those bad anatomy/bad rendering videos it’s always pointless, to have a detailed face with facial planes, color zones, surface scattering etc you need to know anatomy and color. Besides the more you practice drawing you will practice and learn rendering, so they go hand in hand

>>7880756
Depends on what you wanna do. Figure? Drawing is more important as even with no rendering it will look good. Landscapes? I'm guessing rendering as there is barely anything to draw if you just want to portray the sunset or a mountain with trees.
So yeah, the answer is the good ol boring "it depends".

>>7880893
Man every time I see your work it's attached to a terrible opinion. The guy is dogshit through and through. He has no technical skill to speak of. The painting you're saying "isn't bad on a technical level" is wonky, malformed, and muddy. Worst of all, it's ugly, and it wouldn't be so ugly if he knew how to draw, even if it was boring and unappealing.
He can't draw or paint. You probably shouldn't listen to anything he says.

>>7880990
Post a good painting that isn't a good drawing. I dare you.

>>7881022
Literally anything that is impressionistic you nonce, or are you going to move your goal post here? Because if we're going to get into the semantics of what makes a drawing a drawing vs a painting a painting, then I'd ask you to stop comparing drawing, to a specific action you make during painting known as rendering you dumbfuck.

>>7881027
Right, so atmospheric crap lol, got it. I knew you'd try to cheat in that way. But by uplifting atmosphere as good painting, you're tacitly admitting that the whole of anything solid and figurative requires good drawing. So most of anything anyone would want to paint requires drawing. But sure, a sunset a "textural" enough that you can cheat it, lazy retard.

>>7881030
You don't even know what impressionism is, and aren't even bothering to look it up. Why am I even talking to you? Holy shit this board man.

>>7881033
Look fucking what up? Your entire thesis is built on the idea that if you're "impressionistic" enough (essentially atmospheric, non-committal, smudgy) you can cheat the precision and structure that comes with drawing. Well no shit. As soon as you try to render anything with solidity, you're up shit creek. You should have just studied instead of being "impressionistic" because impressionism can not possible be made worse with strong draftsmanship backing it up, you peanut head.

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>>7881037
Oh boy, here we go, getting into what I thought you were hinting at. You assume that impressionism cannot have structure and must be atmospheric because you're making a retarded assumption about a specific art style you aren't even familiar with. I think you'll come to find the way a draftsman and a painter approach something differ greatly but share many similarities, those of which, you seem to be confusing as being intrinsic to either of them.

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>>7881043
Do you think this is a bad drawing?? Do you think Sargent didn't know how to draw? I asked you to post a good painting that isn't also a good drawing. Looks like you're struggling.
I don't see how you could possibly believe Sargent couldn't draw or didn't use drawing skill in his paintings of figures unless you yourself can't draw.

>>7881044
>I think you'll come to find the way a draftsman and a painter approach something differ greatly but share many similarities, those of which, you seem to be confusing as being intrinsic to either of them.

The way he approaches drawing is far more like a painter than a draftsman.

>>7881045
God you're so fucking retarded.

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>>7881046
Nope. You just have your head up your ass.

>>7881044
that >>7881043
looks like a painting to me

>>7881047
No I'm genuinely embarrassed for you. Clearly Sargent is your inspo and you think you're going to attain even a 10th, even a 20th of his power by not learning how to draw. What a mental affliction to suffer from.

>>7881050
You're more than welcome to post your work. You're talking quite the game. Go ahead, lay your dick on the table. I promise I'll meet you with mine.

>>7881049
Well I'm here to tell you, it is in fact a drawing, no matter how it looks to you. Shading doesn't turn a drawing into a painting. It's literally got lines in it.
>>7881051
You've been asking everyone to pyw, why don't you post your work that was made without drawing skill? I'd love to see it. But you won't. You'll just keep telling others to post theirs.

>>7881055
Asking everyone? I've only asked. You. Anon. And I'm explicitly PROMISING (You). That I WILL post my work after you've posted yours. Because while mine isn't the best, I know it's better than yours.

>>7881055
ur arguing that literally everything is a drawing if it has structure? uhhh

>>7881056
What the fuck is this bullshit lmao? You're either confident enough in your crap to post it, or you're not. You've now asked two people to post their work >>7880990, so you're a liar as well as an idiot. Or maybe you think I'm the guy you replied to there?
I didn't ask you to post your work, for the record. I know your shit is trash if you don't think drawing is important, and I can tell you're timid about posting it. But if you're going to go around asking people to post theirs all big dick and shit, you should do the honors first.

>>7881057
Yes? Goddamn, this board is doomed. Cooked, in the lingo of the youth. How did shit get this fucked, that people now believe you can make good drawings without DRAWING?

>>7881062
Oh fuck, I've seen you before lol. I actually liked the left half of this and saved it somewhere. Why are you being such an enormous dumbass, arguing drawing is nonessential to good painting? It's puzzling. I'm not putting my shit to an internet argument, but you do you. I enjoyed this in a small way but holy shit, stop being such a fucking retard.
You would fix those "errors" if you practiced drawing more btw.

Drawing and painting use the same principles

>>7881064
TO BE QUITE HONEST I'M JUST BORED AND PICKING FIGHTS. I'm deleting this cause now I'm embarrassed and it's cringebabbling behavior so next time you see me pretend I didn't do this. I'm very aware my draftsmanship is ass, I'm currently working on it. I think that people are either painters or drawers and how they approach something is based off that. They meet somewhere around the middle, but I don't think you necessarily need one to excel at the other. I think a strong composition of just colors can be more pleasing than a drawing and a drawing with a strong focus on perspective and construction can be equally so.

>>7881070
I mean yeah, some people load onto one more than the other. The distinction is essentially tonal versus linear. I'm a drawfag more than a painter, but just learning to draw things better drastically improved by rendering, almost as if passively. They're so closely linked and improving one almost invariably uplifts the other with it.
I like abstract art and paintings and graffiti and shit so I don't think everyone needs to be KJG to make pleasant art. I guess the best advice is to find a way that feels most natural for you, and to not close yourself off based on distinctions.

>>7881072
excellent yes, and I like your terminology about tonal vs linear. well said. let's shake dicks, go our separate ways and never speak of this again.

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>>7881073
sure, bud

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>>7881016
What an absolutely retarded thing to say. Yes, he does have A FUNCTIONAL DEGREE of technical skill. This isn't Chris Chan autism artwork. The problem is he just can't apply it to make an appealing drawing to save his life. The painting is 80% of the way to being acceptable concept art slop- or rather probably IS acceptable concept art slop, because iirc he actually is or was a concept artist working at some game studio. And, if you actually take the time to look through his work, you'll see that his mechanical and object design drawings are leagues better than his character art.
Also, what Irshad learned from, and basically lifted to make DAB, was Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching. So.

>>7880756
Why would you ever want a polished turd?

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>>7881022
it's really not that rare, anon

>>7880756
If you don't know how to draw, you will fail the rendering.
Many times I did a drawing that was looking cool enough to look at, but in the act of painting the inconsistencies start to show.

>>7880761
Greta?

>>7881060
Don't ask me lol. I remember when I was a /beg/ even I saw a video explaining that you need a good foundation before you render. Aka practice more block in (for portraits).

>>7881060
paintings aren't drawings

>>7880756
depends on what your doing, you can hide your drawings skill or lack thereof with good painting/rendering skills.

>>7881707
How the fuck can you have good rendering skills if you don't understand the underlying forms of what you are trying to render.

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Drawing > rendering
and it's not particularly close either

>>7881044
this reminds me of my drawings but a lot better. very nice, thanks for sharing

Really good rendering is a mystery to me and can look very impressive. I wouldn't want to work like this tho. It just takes too long

>>7885562
only to other artists, most humans will prefer the render

>>7880756
you can't render well if you can't draw well
>>7880761
the problem here is taste, not drawing or painting skills

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>>7885736
Rendering and drawing are two seperate skills.
KJG is another artist who is a master level drawer but fall shorts on the rendering.

This board is so retarded, it's actually amazing

>>7881707
this is the correct answer
>>7885507
it's not about understand, everyone has different levels of talent and skillsets that they excel at. My drawings/sketches are lack luster because I prefer to do the detailing with color, values, and lighting. Art that's too drawn out before inking and coloring can look really stiff and less playful or inventive.