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I live in the UK and my webcomic (which I've been working for years) just became literally illegal. How can this be real? Making an entire genre of content illegal just like that? With the snap of some politician's fingers?
I feel lost. How do I tell my community and supporters that I will go to jail if I continue working on the content they love?
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>>7888976
Read the law and see if it does actually apply to your content
Other than that we seriously need someone in the UK to bring their laws in front of the European Court of Human Rights (they're still subject to it) and hope it gets declared in violation of article 10
https://www.echr.coe.int/apply-to-the-court
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>>7888991
nothing, it's perfect
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People that say loli artists and actual predators are in the same group are the real deal trying to feel better about themselves. They bring someone else to the same pool of wickedness where actual flesh is violated, use others as ladders so their disgraceful asses are in the same group as harmless artists.
If not the case, here you can pass as "just trolling", but if youre a normalfag thinking youre being a brave internet warrior, youre advocating precedents to other "virtual shit = irl shit" laws. You can be creeped and all towards loli shit, but to aplaud censor laws? Don't your cuck asses learned to be tolerant all your fucking lives? In the other hand you guys seem to be tolerating the Epstein fucks fairly well. Maybe you should stop beating the strawman and go after the real monsters.
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>>7889050
Mostly these types of laws just create issues because enforcement becomes arbitrary, censorship boards become corrupt and nobody knows what the limits are or how to behave so it becomes a mess like we're seeing right now
It's why porn was legalised: too widespread to keep enforcing the law
It's generally better for fiction to be unregulated, it's not like you're gonna stop it anyway and if some author gets to trial it's free publicity which is the opposite of the intent
I think eventually all of this is gonna become too much and the cracks will show, but for the next few years the trend is gonna be more censorship and control
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>>7888976
It's hapened before and it'll happen again.
>How do I tell my community and supporters that I will go to jail if I continue working on the content they love?
By saying exactly that. Point to the law, say "hey guys, unfortunately due to this new law, I cannot legally continue this comic. Sucks because I really wanted to, but I don't want to risk it" and then tell them about whatever you choose to do next. You'll likely lose plenty of people who were ultimately just interested in what you were making, but plenty of people will give whatever you go on to do next a chance because they already liked what you make, and probably sympathize that what happened is completely out of your control.
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>>7889164
>be dark ages farmer
>charismatic warlord rides in with the band of men he assembled
>you are now paying a protection racket
>warlords fight for hundreds of years
>gradually consolidate into elaborate mafia-esque systems
>never gets TOO bad because of the common threads of religion, save for some incidents with moors and jews
>suddenly, protestantism
>1/3 of the population of g*rmans die from conflict over papacy-or-not
>truce it out by giving each lord authority to state what religion is allowed in his domain
>more consolidation, more wars and empire-building.
>each locale takes more interest in deciding what is and is not allowed, partly to establish shibboleths against outsiders and partly for creating a sense of solidarity with others who you never met and that live a week's travel away, just in case you have to stand side by side in a pike line or cannon crew
>these become more elaborate myths, nationalism is born, and the control extends
>The last 150 years of the 2nd millenium shows this can go too far, oops
>But the same systems that enabled warlords to have a stranglehold over your average joe still exists. Only bureaucracy becomes the justification instead of raw military power (usually), divine right, or abstract concepts like vitalism
>instead of wars its now cross-border dehumanization and scamming, even though europe is nominally "united"
>technology is eroding the old forms of control so the bureaucracy is expanding to justify more initiations of force on the populace
tl;dr europeans live under boots and in an environment where everyone hates each other
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>>7889050
No one goes calling Rockstar psychos, but they could easily be fit in an "apology to crime" bullshit. Yet, not only from panem lives the man.
>>7889086
I fear we all becoming "North Koreas" in a "1984" situation.
>>7889096
>tips fedora
If you say that getting off to fictional kids is the same of raping actual kids youre being pro-pedo. See how trivializing rape to mere touch just made the impact of the actual crime weaker and dismissive.
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>>7888976
crime is based, the gubmint did you a favor
>nooooo you can't just do that!
>noooooooo you can't just do what you want!
>nooooooooooo you need a loicense for that!
>what about the subreddit rules!? what about the jannies!?
there's a reason women keep fucking criminals and rebels over the common cuck
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>>7889050
>People that say loli artists and actual predators are in the same group
You've activated my trap card
https://archive.md/U23XK
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>>7889313
how stupid does one have to be for this to be his takeout from my post? I say that trying to reverse the guilt and accuse people of being pedos when YOU are the one masturbating to kids must be the most ridiculous defense mechanism I've seen
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>>7889096
It's their go to deflection every time. They literally have no counter arguments for objective reality.
It's like they just don't want to a spade a spade because it might make them look bad and destroy all their "hard work" they're doing trying to normalize it.
No one would give a shit about them if they were just real about it instead of trying to gaslight and argue in bad faith every single goddamn time.
It actually makes it more suspicious if they're not willing to just say the obvious.
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>>7889470
can you tell my line? i forgot because i was staring at huge plump anime milkers i'd like to put in my mouth
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If you're in the UK police state you should be using a VPN anyway.
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People here acting like its JUST the UK. US are actively trying to implement this shit too. You think Discord is putting in measures cuz they care? They're being told to idiots, and this is some wide scale think tank push to eliminate undesirable behavior.
In this case its a good thing, You need help if you're into this shit, but NSFW is heading for a carpet bombing.
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OI MATE YOU GOT A FOCKING LOICENSE TO DRAW YASELF SHAGGING YOUR SISTER??
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>>7889478
Hey retard. If you masturbate to child porn, fictional or not, you are a pedophile. Pedophilia is the paraphilia itself, not the actual act of molestation. Please kill yourself.
I mean, imagine creating and/or fapping to fictional gay porn and then, after being called gay for doing so, accusing the person who did so that they're secretly gay for equating you with people who actually have gay sex. It's beyond absurd. Now, I'd like you to reflect on the sheer mindboggling amount of mental gymnastics it took to get you to the point where you can say something so utterly, unbelievably, baldfacedly fucking stupid, and then I kindly and gently entreat you to do a flip as you go over the edge.
You know who else argues in the exact same dishonest manner as you? You know who else deflects by accusing you of being the problem for noticing what you're doing and what you are? You kbow who else whines and tries to garner sympathy because they just want to be left alone to do and be what they are because it's in the privacy of their own bedroom and they aren't hurting anyone? Anyone going to hazard a guess? Oh yeah, that's right. Trannies. Trannies and other such degens have been doing that shit for decades. You're the exact same breed of cowardly yellow dog snake in the grass demonic fucking liar from hell, and I hate you just the same. Also do the Sonic Adventure pose on the way down, that'd be pretty sweet. Make sure to livestream it. I hope this post helps.
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>>7889651
If you point a gun at someone, fictional or not, you are a shooter. Shooting is the thought itself, not the actual act of pulling the trigger.
I mean, imagine creating and/or playing fictional shooter games and then, after being called a serial killer for doing so, accusing the person who did so that they're secretly retarded for equating you with people who actually murder people. It's beyond absurd.
You know who else argues in the exact same dishonest manner as you? You know who else deflects by accusing you of being the problem for noticing what you're doing and what you are? You kbow who else whines and tries to garner sympathy because they just want to be left alone to do and be what they are because it's in the privacy of their own bedroom and they aren't hurting anyone? Anyone going to hazard a guess? Oh yeah, that's right. Gamers.
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>>7889663
>it isn't happening
>well, it is happening, but it's not a big deal
That's exactly what I'm fucking talking about right there. Tranny argumentation. First you argue that there's no way that a lolisho could be a pedophile, no waaay, they aren't the same thing and if you think so, y-you're the real pedophile, chuddy! Then when that position is no longer tenable, well, okay sure, lolishos are pedophiles, but so what I'm not hurting anyone it's none of your business it's not illegal chuddy. I wasn't commenting on whether it should be outlawed or not (it shouldn't because it's a slippery slope), I was objecting to the blatant baldfaced lying. That's the whole point of the post, you deflecting dishonest fucking faggot.
>>7889672
There it is. You're trying to strawman conflation of the paraphilia itself with acting upon it IRL, yet again, for the thousandth fucking time. Are you seriously going to argue that if you're only fapping to pictures of men and gay porn then you're not ACTUALLY gay so long as you aren't putting ass to cock IRL? Come the fuck on now.
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>>7889700
I could be fapping to gay porn right now if i wanted to, but i am not gay. Would it make me gay if i did that? I dont think so. Its just pixels on a screen anyway. I also could fap to 18 + porn and still avoid women like the plague IRL. Again, just pixels on screen.
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>>7889711
So, you actually are going to die on the hill that if a man maaturbates to men and men fucking each other then he isn't gay so long as he doesn't do it IRL. Got it. Thanks for clearing that up, champ.
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>>7889720
Not him but technically wouldn’t he still not be gay for fapping to gay porn? Like you could say it’s a gay act but he wouldn’t be gay unless he had real sex with a guy. Like how someone could be a furry for having sexual interest in fictional animals but not a zoophile since he doesn’t have sexual interest in real animals.
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>>7889727
Life do be funny like that. You can be attracted to the look of something but dont actually care about interacting with it. Women for example maybe can look pretty but they are also conceited and narcisistic. If you only care about their looks then you are not really attracted to them.
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>>7889050
It takes a special grade of mental retardation to think you are not providing a placebo for pedos, because that is exactly what you are doing drawing loli and shota.
i cant care less, honestly, but the fact that you have to reach this level of cope to justify your behavior is insanity, at least be honest to yourself, retard.
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>>7889746
>If you only care about their looks then you are not really attracted to them.
If you are sexually aroused by something and want to stick your penis into it then that is by definition sexual attraction, yes. You really ain't slick, nigga.
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>>7889747
No, see, the rhetorical trick here is that they're trying to make a strawman conflating pedophilia with being an actual molester. So when you call someone who faps to loli or shota a pedophile, that means you're actually calling them a child molester, how dare you, I haven't touched a real child yet, so on and so forth. They always try to confuse the issue by muddying the definition of words or argue against a strawman statement that no one actually said. They are liars by nature.
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>>7889815
Well, congrats on being an aromantic pedophile then.
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>>7888976
Move to a different country or use a VPN and stay quite about where you live.
Or do something dangerously based for once in your life.
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>>7889760
>yet
Well very smart of you to push your point as absolute. Lolisho gives the eek by default, but one faggot trying so hard against it like you is a big red flag. You are thinking your smart ass or any other fuck is okay to be around children because you fight lolisho? You turn three fingers for you when pointing! No wise parent would trust ANY man around their kids. Not the lolicon nor the white knight. Like >>7889368 it fucking happens all the time! No man defend a cause so hard without a reward in mind. The "kiss of the princess" thing is old as fuck.
The lolicon at least obviously shouldnt be near kids, but white knights are opportunists fucks. Dont you think trannies also "defend" children online as well?
I tell you, and its not a fucking strawman its the actual thread argument, banning lolisho is not a good thing, unless you bring down all pornography too.
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>>7889747
I don’t get the shift made by lolicons now, like they owned up to what they liked and just said deal with it to people like >>7889651 who get their vagina’s in a twist over fictional drawings. You get your dick hard by looking at drawings of children, but yes you aren’t a child molester. Just own it.
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loli porn is purely pedophilic and you are obviously attracted to the equivalent of real life children, since loli enjoyers never lust after anything other than loli
straight shota is not the same because the shota is used as a contrast to the subject of desire always being the woman
The whole straight shota genre could be replaced with a regular sized male fucking a mini-giant woman, or just a bigger than male woman, and it would still be the same for people who enjoy that dynamic
You, the consumer, project yourself as the shota
You cannot replace loli with anything because the loli itself is the object of desire for the ones who consume it
The fictional character being 17 years and 363 days old doesn't make it a loli. The character being flat isn't magically a loli.
If anything, you should know what actually a loli is i.e. the fictional equivalent of pre-pubescent children.
A fictional 30 year old woman could be a loli if designed like one, you're still a pedo if you get hard on that shit because you are as normal and sane as someone who jerks off to animals.
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onee/straight shota is "technically" on the pedophilic spectrum, but the paraphilia is the bigger woman and the size difference, not the shota
>you described giantess fetish
no shit, retard
that was the point
What can you replace loli with? Practically fucking nothing.
Sit down and shut the fuck up, discord tranny.
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>>7888976
There is no proof that pedophiles being exposed to drawn child pornography is a net negative for society.
If there was, people would be spamming those studies everywhere in the countless online debates about this topic.
The fact that we're using 'what if's' to oppress sexual minorities based on vibes will be seen as a human rights violation in retrospect.
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>>7889720
NTA, but the problem is moreso that our definition of sexuality is a high-level abstraction of a complex network of neural structures.
Whether someone is attracted to children can't be accurately represented in binary states because it's ultimately a false premise or shortcut.
Children still have genitals and still appear gendered, so it's not a far stretch to say that there exists a cohort of people who are only incidentally attracted to children.
That said, we'd both agree that someone who not just incidentally, but primarily seeks out lolicon manga likely has pedophilia or a specific sexual interest like shock content or sadism/ masochism or living out their own experiences.
>>7888976
My honest recommendation is to sever ties with your current artist identity and to go "underground".
If lolisho is a source of income, you'll have to drop it to avoid paper trails.
Invest in a VPN while you're at it. I recommend ProtonVPN.
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it's simple. the uk is ran by retards
>can't keep illegals out of a fucking island
>can't deport terrorists
>can't stop overreaching with internet censorship
>everyone now hates the UK and wishes they got nuked instead of japan
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>>7890204
They did the Brexit to keep the illegals away, and also because they don't want to be ordered anything by EU.
Now it's literally a muslim country, and getting away from EU not only worsened the economy, but now they have to comply more than before with all the paperworks and stuff.
Even if they join back (hopefully not), they will have less privileges.
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>>7889368
>professional pedo says that anime is for pedophiles (such as himself)
Why would I not trust the professionals?
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>>7890214
lol retard
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>>7890665
you should draw stuff because you like it not because you wanna be shooo edgy and attention seeking. this is the exact reason all the artists in lsg are permabegs who made endless horseshit art and never improve kek.
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>>7889651
>imagine creating and/or fapping to fictional gay porn and then, after being called gay for doing so, accusing the person who did so that they're secretly gay for equating you with people who actually have gay sex
99% of people who fap to traps will say it's not gay to masturbate to pictures of two men having sex. 99% of people who fap to furry will say it's not zoophilia to masturbate to pictures of animals having sex. This isn't really unique to lolicon. Pretty much every fictional fetish works that way.
>but they don't look realistic so it doesn't count!
you don't say
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>>7889050
pretty much every pedophile hoarding CP has had a healthy collection of lolicon as well, they're the same thing dude. studies have shown jacking it loli porn makes it more likely you'd sexually assault a child. i dont know why you'd ever stand up for this stuff unless you were a pedophile.
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>>7891270
If this was true then Japan would be like Mad Max where everyone runs around kudnapping children and turning them into slaves. Ironically Japan is the complete tho, despite having lolicob everywhere, even in the streets. Meanwhile it's the USA which is like Mad Max with its puritan Christian morals
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>>7890182
Once enough people realize that a pedophilic relationship with an older male and younger female will simply turn into a normal heterosexual relationship within a couple years we will all go back to lynching faggots
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>>7889176
you forgot that the most free spirited europeans moved to America. This happened over many generations and certainly left a mark on Europe, as those who value freedom became a very small minority unable to influence society. I would argue most european countries are democracies only because of the dominance of american culture in the west
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>>7888976
>I am a native speaker of the most commonly understood second language in the world, and I don't like my country's politics! If only there was something I could do
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>>7889500
you're extremely naive if you think that for the US it has anything to do with protecting kids or eliminating undesirable behavior. For our country, it's first and foremost, about complete and absolute surveillance of its citizens and internet. They're just following China's lead. You're right in one aspect though, this surveillance will be used to eliminate undesirable behavior. It's the exact reason China uses it as a form of social management. Undesirable behavior is extremely nebulous though. Might as well say a way to eliminate whatever the current administration deems to be bad. Which in authoritarian governments is almost anything that is against it.