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Draw this

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just had wisdom teeth removed so havent drawn yet. maybe later today.

but the other day i received my first commission.

im still fairly new (havent even studied anatomy yet) so i was surprised someone wanted it
but any thoughts on what to work on for next time?
also, good ways to really grow my following online to get more?

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I'm still looking for critique and comment on my post here >>7915665 it would be very cool. When I get home today, I am going to draw more May probably.

>>7915791
So repost the drawing here instead of someone else's art.

>>7915793
Lmfao

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Little doodle of my gf

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>>7915784
Cute

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>>7915782
Im 2 weeks into /beg/

>>7915822
you're ngmi

>>7915822
there's potential, but if this is your slop of choice, I advise you to buy a tablet and learn digital ASAP.

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trying to get used to tablet

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>draw traditionally
>can hang my head over the paper and draw like that with no discomfort

>try to draw on my ipad
>discomfort in my upper left back after like 10 minutes trying to keep my back straight

>>7915849
I don't wanna draw porn lol, though I am interested in using a tablet. Can I just hop to digital or should I work on fundamentals with paper and pencil

>>7915877
I am sincerely impressed by the quality of your work but I have so many questions. In any case do you have a blog?

>>7915888
Thank you very much

Here is my blog
https://x.com/_NoConcession_

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I am so uncomfortable doing values, especially with markers. I'm gonna spend the next few days pushing through and fucking it up

>>7915875
Screenless?

>>7915887
It's significantly easier to learn on paper and then transfer to digital unless you're spending big bucks on a good screen tablet
After a month or two of paper you can reasonably start digital or just deal with the increased difficulty by bashing your skull open (even more than normal)

It took me 6 months to get used to digital.

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>>7915767
after 5 months of studying this im still awful at drawing. its over. goodbye.

>>7915912
pyw

>>7915912
Based.

>>7915911
I am attempting to learn both at the same time by doing exercises twice: once on paper, once digital, to hopefully avoid this.

>>7915791
You seem to be practicing multiple different parts of the body which is great but id try focusing on one part at a time until you feel you are better at it. For example that backshot looks really good but the head and face could look better. I’d recommend focusing on practicing portrait shots like you are doing there more

>>7915912
Good. Prove everyone right. You're a failure. You're too weak. Go back to the cage, wagie.

>told to stop sketching in museum special exhibit
longhoused again. hard to find good sources for life drawing

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Tried to make some studies more interesting

>>7915958
wtf bro awesome ??

>>7915958
what did you use to color?

>>7915958
3head lol. cool tho

>>7915965
>>7915967
>>7915975


thanks guys :> just all different materials: Ohuhu marker, colored pencil, bic pen, some white gouache, and the blue splash i drop some ink from a height to get the splash effect, it did leak under the masking tape but tried to integrate it

>>7915958
Great work, very impressive

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finished this

>>7916003
I like the color choices. Especially for eyes and hair combo.

>>7916003
The sword seems super out of perspective compared to his hand

>>7916009
No it doesn't.

>>7916024
it actually does, the hand is turned in a way where the sword would come straight down and not to the side
or else the grip would be incredibly uncomfortable

>>7916025
At this angle of the hand the sword would actually be pointing more toward the viewer.

>>7916030
yeah, thats true

>>7916024
It does. The sword is flat despite being under the horizon line for your drawing. We can see the bottom of the canisters (?) on his hips because that’s above the horizon line, so We should see the top of the sword and it should be pointing towards us since it’s beneath it

I got some nice paper but I'm scared to draw on it now

>>7916037
So get some shit lined paper for babies and scribble on that until you get mad at the shit paper

>>7916037
It's important to get good materials to help you take it more seriously. Good job. You should take a break and play video games for the rest of the day.

>>7916040
That's what led me to this point

>>7916045
You're not mad enough. Back to the baby paper with you for three more weeks.

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markers

>>7915984

At last, a real rival (someone as bad as me who also draws traditional)

>>7916048

Nice hand and gesture.

>>7916050
I'm getting better

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>>7915958
this is awesome!
>>7916050
thats a decent hand what are you talking about?

>>7916055
>>7916058

I didn’t mean to imply you were particularly bad, simply that
A) he is roughly at my level
B) this is the beginner thread, which we are both part of

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>>7916053

thanks! there are some glaring errors but movie stills are such good practice for natural poses

>>7916003

this pose reminds me of solo-leveling for some reason

>>7915958

these colors are beautiful

>>7916032
i agree with you (original poster of the drawing), i'm not the guy you're replying to

>>7916058
try getting a boyfriend so you can draw your male characters more attractively

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>>7915812
I did some logos

>>7916124
Very /nodraw/ crab advice.
You need to study anatomy and other artist to get good at drawing attractive males.

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self portrait

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>>7916124
what is attractive to you

and no
i cant cheat on my hand
>>7916129
this
>>7916062
i hate to say it but you kinda did by saying
>as bad as me
>implying

It's okay my feelings aren't hurt. I know I will get better at drawing.

>>7916132
i dropped this:
this is beautiful <3

>>7916062
/beg/ and /int/. And to be honest, the monkeyfaggot looks to be at least /int/. At least.

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Taking the time to make accurate studies is just too tiring, you know?

>>7916159
its soo cute :) i just wanna fart on it<3

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was not feeling the best today, so i only did this really quick sketch so i can at least get a small feel. not a huge fan of how it turned out. will def try again tomorrow

this is the proko gestural architecture project.

>>7916128
>>7916153
>>7916154
based morrowindchad

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>>7916166

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>>7912920
gotten around to drawing these still lifes like anon did last thread. it's soul-sucking and profoundly unfun. how come his ones look more interesting? and that wooden texture on the bottom ball, how the fuck do you paint something like this without making a mess. everything smudges everything

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>>7915600
fun sketchin again today, imma jump into the actual artwork soon enough i think

>>7916193
>how come his ones look more interesting?
He used brighter colour

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I've have been drawing for several years now and have finally made a piece I am satisfied with.
If anyone wants art advice, feel free to use this post as an anchor.

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>>7916193
>it's soul-sucking and profoundly unfun

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Damn. Nice drawings on OP pic. I like the soldier the most.

I don't know why I bother anymore
nothing I post to socials gets likes
I said I'd do it for a year but now it's been two and I'm still a nobody and make the worst art ever
I still draw for myself, but I don't want to be a nobody forever, I don't know what to do anymore

>>7916212
They'll all be so jealous and feel bad when you get really good and famous. They will regret treating you like a nobody.

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learning to paint, really happy with how it’s going so far

I'm finally getting good and learning how to draw. It's crazy what you can do when you stop talking yourself out of success and start doing the hard stuff you were avoiding. It turns out you can do more than you thought.

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>>7916205
damn you went for the perspective with the hand, respect
i hope this helps brother

>>7916218
ignore the arrow below the bony cheekbone text, idk why i drew an arrow there

>>7916218
Omg we draw/write our a's the exact same

>>7916212
It won't get any better my friend. It's not a (You) thing, the world is going into a weird soulless direction faster and faster, and they don't give a fuck about you. Best thing to do, is to enjoy art drawing whatever the fuck you want while you still enjoy drawing. Trigger people, go all out, put tolerance to the test, it's fun to know that you can say whatever the fuck you want in this particular period of time and nobody will give a FUCK, because everyone is too high on infinite doom scrolling trash dopamine. You could be screaming at the top of your lungs the most outlandish SHIT and no one will listen to you or care.
It's a moment of absolute freedom, that it will not last too long, and it will not be repeated. The future will not care anymore for artists as it once did in the past. Society and cultural platforms in the foreseeable future will be alien to the people of today (us). Enjoy art now. Do whatever the fuck you want NOW, tomorrow you won't care anymore, same as the rest.

>>7916172
>im ready to settle down

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I haven't posted anything here in a while, but all of this progress is thanks to CasyTay who's helped me.

>>7916235
I saw that.

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>>7916003
Did you use a 3D model on this?
It matched the default pose almost exactly.
>>7916024
Perspective is definitely off. The only reason people are nitpicking something like this is because of the level of effort. If it was lower effort, the perspective mistakes wouldn't matter but because it looks like this was a lot of effort, the perspective mistakes stand out a lot more.

>>7916235
I can see you improved a lot

>>7916237
You could overlay a 3d model over so many illustrations and it would look close because the poses are so common.

>>7916237
>doesn't even match
you guys just wanna see that people cannot draw a decent figure.
Go to /fig/ for a heart attack

>>7916243
That /fig/ thread is fucking awesome, best thread in the board right now.

>>7916242
Granted, it was just jarring that I barely moved the model and it already matched closely. This is also my absolute first time using the model in CSP.
>>7916243
Oddly defensive for a pose that supposedly doesn't match. It is also immediately obvious, so pointing it out explicitly just makes you look guilty. What's stopping you from changing the pose slightly?

Mentioning /fig/ is doubly weird because the first thing you're supposed to do is gesture and this lacks any gesture. If you were to actually to do this pose, the shoulder would move too. This pose seems too stiff.

Again, all of this is only mentioned because of the effort you put into it. Nobody would care if the stiffness was accompanied by a quick sketch or something like that. Not a completed drawing.

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>>7916236
Thank you, I'm gonna try developing my own art style. I want to try experimenting with different ones. Anyone know a good resource?

>>7916255
>Oddly defensive for a pose that supposedly doesn't match
I'm not him. As dead as /ic/ is, we're not alone here. The thing about /beg/ that really irks me is that they always see 3d, traces and AI. It's a bad cope. Your own picture doesn't support your suspicion.
Ofc I'll look real stupid when he comes out to say he did indeed use a 3d character - but he wouldn't need to.

> it already matched closely.
you people...

>>7916270
the next thing is gonna be references being unethical

>>7916270
>he
That's a woman artist. I recognize her style from other things she has posted in /wao/.

>>7916273
99% of /wao/ are men in skirts

>>7916276
I didn't realize they did a census.

>>7916278
Shame you missed it else it would have been 99.6%

>>7915812
>>7916127
Gib feedback

>>7916282
I don't like it. Something about the first one especially feels off, but I can't put my finger on it. Sorry I can't be of help. It comes naturally to me to feel a good work and I'm getting an off feel for yours.

>>7916127
>>7915812
>>7916282
This is good shit. You have talent, Escape this board while you still can.

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Bossu

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Today’s life drawings

I miss believing that if I did enough practice I'd eventually be able to draw

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>>7916297

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>>7916296
hot
>>7915782
why

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How does one make porn art more INTENSE and like sloppy/intimate? Does it just come with time because I feel all my NSFW just feels like two people vaguely interacting esp when it's supposed to be post-nut

When I go on rule 34 for ref they always seem freakier than what I make and idk how they do it. I tried to replicate what I saw with the nut, the tears, the breath, the sweat the whole 9 yards and I still feel it isnt doing what I expected

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>>7916303

>>7916212
Post your socials

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i notice too late the proportion of the torso was a little bit off but meh

>>7916324
The proportion of something else is a bit off too…

>>7916325
...the left foot?

>>7916326
I was referring to his gargantuan member

Fuck you fuck you fuck you you god damn asshole mother fuckers your thread is stupid and your stupid and I hate you

>>7916297
This one's pretty cool, something about the posing, how you defined the shapes and framing all make the scene read as calm and cozy.

>>7916327
yeah i know anon i was fucking with you

>>7916324
the leg over the other that way looks really damn uncomfortable for someone that looks comfortable

>>7916329
Hey man fuck you too >:(

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im the worst artist on this board

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>>7916336
no joke i thought this was AI

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>>7916333
for being the first time ever drawing a pose like that i expect it to be worse

>>7916338
lol it does kinda look like that

>>7916341
yeah, i hate being a cunt and all, the issue is that there are some inconsistencies and odd details, for example the legs
if we compare the legs, one is correct, the left leg, but the right leg is completely odd when focusing on the kneecap and the ankle, the ankle's detail made me think this was AI
the kneecap on the right is very odd and that made me think that the knee was facing the other way away from the camera lmao

the hands are off proportions with each other, the left arm/hand should be 'fading' into perspective, so it'd look smaller compared to the right, but it's the opposite
but dude, you got something going, you got the style and the art doesn't look bad at all, just some details are off when putting your eyes on it, it's some inconsistencies, even with her heels design being sort of different with eachother for example
it's very assymetrical, even the wrists are different because of the bracelet

>>7916345
thats what happens when i just follow the arleady schizophrenic sketch
I think i should play into it though

>>7916347
That’s right there’s no one close to being as bad as he is he should kill himself to death asap

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Tips for mimicking the painted cel look digitally?
>inb4 /asg/
This board is ded and that shitty general is even more ded. My first thought was hrb but it's too sterile.

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>>7916330
Thanks anon, that’s exactly how I want them to make the viewer feel

>>7916129
Retard, you learn the best from drawing from life. Unironically you can learn from drawing your partner naked posing for you than some random tutorials online as long as you know how to use your damn eyes and brain.

>>7916373
Yeah but you look at a man differently after he’s cum all over you.

>>7916373
No u You retarded I dont need a girl friend in order to draw attractive females.

>>7916383
Very true. But what I said was the ideal case, in many cases you can seek out statues figures etc... Most of what people struggle with is perspective and form, so drawing something with actual 3d form into 2d is the best practice IMO

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I drew naked raiden
I wanted to practice doing the abs and upper body so I kinda phoned in the lower body and Idk really how to draw the legs yet.
This was fun though

>>7915912
Did you try drawing for fun even once during those 5 months of studying, anon?

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>>7916257

Developing your own style is an emergent property of copying things that you like. Find two or three different artists and imitate their work regularly. Make sure you are aware of what you like specifically about their work and actively integrate it into your own. For example, I like Gege Akutami. I copy a lot of panels from JJK for fun between studies. Over time, I notice I've picked up the messy, scratchy nature of the lines used by that particular artist that they use to define forms at times. Pic related.

>>7916312

You'll find more success trying to tell short stories with your work. Most NSFW art isn't particularly interesting in a vacuum unless the composition or rendering is striking. Try expanding your ideas to 3 or 4 panels to build tension towards the intimacy.

>>7916359

No idea what hrb means. Looks fine to me anon. Keep doing what you're doing, especially if you're literally reference animation cels to get an idea of what to focus on

>>7915767
Why is the OP filled with /int/ works?
Where are the /beg/tokens?

my e-gf left me so im back here

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>>7915767
>https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Vm4IJpq0Mbvb-Krl5_mJ_m6TsC_qjsaN/view
Discord invite is dead.
>annas-archive.org
Dead link
>https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view
You don't have permission to access this resource.
>https://sketchdaily.net/
Dead link

>>7916421
>hbr
Hard round brush

>>7916312
>How does one make porn art more INTENSE and like sloppy/intimate?
Text. It's why variant sets can be effective. Having a little narrative with your smut always works.

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>>7914189
still going

>>7916380

Found the problem. Try cumming all over him next time instead.

does pirated csp embed something in your exported images to let people know that it was made with pirate csp?

>>7916471
no

>>7916169
very clear shapes and nice line weight

>>7916296
awesome, love it

>>7916425
>he doesn't have permission to the hardcore sticky
skill issue

>>7916273
Probably why (she) got so offended. Like I said in the other thread, it's amazing how much of a pussy artists are. They act like drawing takes a lot of discipline for them when in reality, they're too weak for actual discipline. Anyone who started drawing as a kid used zero discipline to get good.
>>7916270
>it doesn't match the 3D model exactly therefore no 3D model was used
Still with this bullshit?
Even /beg/ can slightly change a pose to appear as if they didn't use ref/ai/bases, albeit they won't do it as well as more experienced cheaters.

Anything drawn digitally will be scrutinized like this. It's very easy to cheat your way to competence with tools. If this was a traditional drawing, no one would say anything. Even I would just admit defeat and admit I was wrong. But so long as it's digital, there's always a risk of cheating. The fact that it closely matches the model just makes it suspicious. Not saying they did it, it's just suspicious.

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Any good rendering / color resources for retards? I've tried reading James Gurney's books and random Youtube resources, but I find that my colors always end up feeling muted. Also, feel like I've been stuck in a plateau for a good while due to taking the easy way out and mostly just doing eye-level / frontal perspective of characters, so I tried something else here.

Any other pointers also appreciated.

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>>7916483
Another earlier drawing.

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>>7916048

same movie, different scene
https://www.moviestillsdb.com/movies/the-heartbreak-kid-i68687

>>7916436

oh. then yeah, hard round brush is typically king for most work.

>>7916483
>>7916484

I think you're doing fine so far. It's easy to tell you have a lot of the knowledge to inform setting up your values which is easily the most important thing in rendering or coloring. I don't think your colors are muted, but you can always check with a grayscale filter. Keep working at it. Your skills will get sharper as you keep working at it. You know some areas of weakness with your posing or composition, so keep pushing in that area while also maintaining what you know about your values

>>7915767
>See an artist on X I like
>About to download their entire gallery
>Found out that wfdownload doesn't work on twitter anymore

what the fuck man
anyone else knows of a sustitution?

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>>7915767

spent a long time tweaking these to get the right proportions. mostly happy with them now. going to make floor plans for the great fox scaled at this size.

I downloaded a lot of courses today. I feel overwhelmed.

just a few more course and ref dumping and i'll just be like the old masters.........

>>7916421
>Looks fine to me anon. Keep doing what you're doing
LMAO I wish that was my art. It's a scan of one of the Ghost in the Shell cels.

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>>7916514

would you share an example of you trying cel shading then?

>>7916493

what kind of project are you working on with these?

>>7916502

theory is great, but practice makes progress. spend more time doing than watching videos or reading content.

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>>7916411
when you removed his androgyny you lost the last thing your drawing still could've had - soul

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>>7916519

i have a friend in poland who makes me 3D spaceships and i make floor plans for them based on internal mapping that he makes me.

the great fox would be the largest ship i've made to date, but it would require a very small resolution. i normally work in 5 or 4 centimeters er pixel.

>>7916335
I’m sorry.

>>7916483
Omg that is a cute little fairy! Can you draw a little spider girl too?

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Back at this after a looooong break.
My memory (both muscle and mental) seems to have degraded quite a bit. This one was a "top of my head" quick sketch.

>>7916482
are you fucking retarded? i'm the original poster of >>7916003, i'm not the other person you're replying to. in a previous message i literally said i agreed with the critique.

>>7916237
i didn't

>>7916003
Aren't Yeager

>>7916003
as I said before, the shoulder is a bit too pushed away from the body, but now that I see more, I think the hands are also a bit small, but otherwise, p gud job

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how do i make a good pressure curve to avoid having to press super hard but also to avoid stuff where the point where the beginning point of the line from where you set the tip is very sensitive and blows up like pic related before functioning like normal afterwards?

>>7916489
>>7916543
Thanks! I don't know if I have time to draw anything today, as I'm going to sauna at my bro's place.

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>>7916451

>>7916576
Make sure you draw you and your bro having sex when you get a chance

>>7916483
>>7916484
Thanks! I'm going to steal your ideas and redraw them myself for my own fairy and anubis girl :3

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>>7916571
nigga your pressure sensitivity doesnt work at all lol

>>7916571
Don't have it start at zero
Don't have it be that steep
Don't have it be 90+% for >60% of the curve

Hope this helps

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Digital is easier.

At least it FEELS easier. It won't make you go from /beg/ to /int/ but it's a far less frustrating medium to work on. I think pro artists are right when they say that the traditional medium is the best to learn on. But I think that if you're drawing less because you're constantly frustrated while drawing traditionally, that becomes a moot point. Anything that gets to you to draw more is always going to be preferred over the "correct" way to learn.

I am especially proud of my foot drawing. I guess those 50+ feet drawings payed off. The funny thing about that is that those were all done digitally at the time. I never drew a single foot traditionally. Yet, I show more competence in drawing feet than basically anything else. Comparatively, of course. And maybe that's what I got wrong the whole time. I was drawing lips and noses all traditionally but what I probably should've done was draw them digitally. I might've actually shown improvement rather than what you see here. I guess it's not completely awful but I'm very unsatisfied with my progress so far. Especially considering the amount I did. For 200 lip drawings, I should NOT feel uncomfortable drawing them. It should only take less than 150 iterations. Though now that I think about it, this comes from my digital drawing days. So maybe drawing digitally actually helps you improve FASTER. Interesting...

Anyway, I will be drawing eyes almost exclusively digitally. Fuck the post-its. If I am to do anything traditionally, it will be for Observational Training ONLY. I'll make another post later today detailing how my training will progress regarding that. However, when it comes to basically everything else, we're migrating completely over to digital.

At home I have an XPPen Artist 13.2 v2 and I'm quite satisfied with it. If I stick with drawing for another month, I'll purchase a portable tablet so I can take it to work with me to draw on my breaks.

Trad Version: https://o.uguu.se/zAqzaDNP.png

>>7916618
i'm a dumbass and thought it would just make pressure not increase brush size for a set amount rather than making it start immediately at a certain size

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>>7916627
idk what youre talking about but this line literally has no sensitivity its all same width

>>7916630
because i wasn't even trying to vary the pressure for that line. it was just for example to show the rest of the line compared to the start point

>>7916632
idk what youre trying to achieve the point is only that you can comfortably go to max pressure without tiring yourself, its supposed to be the base you can comfortably go to when linearting

>>7916626
you are symbol drawing, anon. you're supposed to learn the basic three-dimensional shapes (cylinders, boxes, spheres) and use them as a template to draw complex stuff like facial feautres on

it is very strange when i visit Pinterest and browse same genre for few times some how deviant art knows it and recommends that genre. coincidence?

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accidentally gave it bangs

>>7916637
Omg that is a cute foxy. Can you paint a cat next?

>>7916626
>car, foot fetishist
Lmao based

>>7916638
maybe tomorrow i’m dead tired from work

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>>7916638
I remember I did my cat in oils but I’m no longer arsed to work on it or fix it. I kinda don’t like how oils flow

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>>7916634
This advice sounds nice but it doesn't actually work.
You can't just say, "don't draw symbols, draw cubes!!" and somehow that immediately clicks.
In order to be able to draw in 3D you need to first be able to observe. Without observational ability, how would I be able to notice how the eye lids wraps around the eyeball? If I can't see it or understand it, then I can't draw it. This is often taken for granted by artists who have been drawing their whole life. They assume everyone can see these things. But it often takes several drawings before a beginner notices something that was immediately obvious to the artist who has been drawing their whole life.

These are from imagination but if I were to draw these from reference, my eye drawings would still look like symbols because I haven't drawn enough eyes. I can use tricks to make it appear 3D but that doesn't mean I'm actually thinking about it in 3D. In order to think of something in 3D, you need to first have accurate proportions of the thing you're trying to make 3D. If you're struggling with proportion, forcing your brain to try to make it 3D is going to be too much for it to handle and you'll wear yourself out.

So the first thing I should be doing is getting the proportions correct. Then and only THEN could I transform it into a 3D object. Trying to do both at the same time without internalizing proportion is far too difficult for a beginner. Also, you can see I'm trying to think in 3D with the hand by making it a cuboid shape. You can see the wrapping lines I put on it. So it's not that I'm trying to symbol draw, it's that my ability to draw certain things is so shit that making it 3D is the least of my worries.

>>7916639
Thanks! I'm quite happy with how that foot came out.

>>7916645
do you have a favorite artist?

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>>7916646
No, I have a relatively small folder of inspiration but I wouldn't say any of them in particular is my favorite. Azumanga is the closest to what I'd like to do if you're wondering what I'm going for.

>>7916645
I know it's easier said than done but I think it's better if someone learns about it (just to have it as a goal, not to completely grasp the concept) early than to draw for years without knowing why they aren't improving (me during high school)

>>7916648
Maybe awareness of the concept is useful but I would stop at telling people grind cubes/cylinders/etc.
When I was drawing lips, it took about 72 drawings before I could FEEL the lines I was drawing wrapping around the form. Before that, I was just copying what I was looking at.

I think that's the point I'm trying to get at.
And maybe you're right, you probably should learn about it as early as possible. Even in that case, I probably wouldn't have felt what I felt had I known nothing about form or perspective. It's hard to say.

I wish there was a singular path that you take to get good at drawing. Like guaranteed. "Learn these things at ANY skill level and you will improve!" But I can't seem to figure it out. A lot of the things I figure out is often based off of an amalgamation of several different tutorials and artbooks that comes as a moment of eureka while I'm drawing.

I am trying to figure out the way to learn that has the least amount of resistance. Because I burned out, I need to do it this way. I don't have the luxury of being able to grind like I used to before I burned out.

>>7916653

>>7916655
what is this?

>>7916656
3 body problem

>>7916656
archive purposes probably

>>7916656
I can search for my posts more easily on warosu. This is especially helpful for drawings that I don't save on my computer.

>>7916484
What's your blog, anon? I wanna know who to credit when I draw my version

>>7916652
you're giving me headache man.

>>7916663
it's a troll, anon. you're being trolled

>>7916662
You're posting in it.

>>7916665
I want your social media not 4chan, baka

>>7916634
Is symbol drawing ok if I want to invent minimalist chibilike abstract creatures? Or in this case it's even worse? I don't really understand what this means btw.

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>>7916671
chibi are flat figures by design so no, but while they have their charm they're also very limited composition-wise
you can't look at them from above or below, for instance, only from the front. when you draw an anime lady with proper 3d shapes in mind, you can pose her in any way and it will still make sense

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>chibifucker iit

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>>7916663
You made me realize something.

Drawing digitally is like typing on a keyboard for writers.
Sure, an aspiring writer COULD learn to write using a notebook but that's an extremely inefficient way to learn how to write. It is also theoretically the best way to learn how to write but it's also the most painful.

No wonder drawing traditionally was so hard. That comparison was like a eureka moment for me. It's not that I hate drawing, it's that I hate the inefficiency of drawing traditionally. And while I do love writing traditionally, that only encompasses about 1-2% of my total writing. The rest is completely digital.

This also explains why I actually had (some) fun doing the digital drawings I did while I loathed the traditional drawings. I could be wrong but I don't even think it's worth pursuing drawing/art if you don't have a digital tablet. It's simply far too inefficient and unfun.

If someone told me I HAD to write traditionally in notebooks, I would've fucking hated it, too!

Don't listen to this anon: >>7916664, they're /nodraws/ that hope you fail.

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>>7916677
stuff like that is very appealing but you notice the symbol drawing ends at the head and face. the rest of the body is fairly 3d
I assume anon meant the creatures from pic related when he said 'minimalist'

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Help, I need directions.
I've decided to start learning how to draw and got a digital tablet for it, but it feels like having to eat an elephant with fork and knife by doing it alone, and I'm pretty clueless and lost.

From reading and watching the resources in OP I'm getting the idea I have to get really strong fundamentals, but I'm not sure how to structure my day and what to study in order to become really good. I've already tackled perspective and a little of human anatomy on my own, and tried to fix my lines, but it's really a lot and I'm still terrible at taking proportions, I'm very slow, I'm not sure how to find resources that would help me improve, etc.

I'm also poor and can't afford IRL lessons or anything, so I'd like to join a study group, but since I want to get into drawing lolis and body horror I think I'd fit only with other deviants from here.

Can someone help me out?

>>7916688
>but it feels like having to eat an elephant with fork and knife by doing it alone, and I'm pretty clueless and lost.
eat it alone.

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>>7916676
By chibis I mean general minimalist smol characters, like >>7916677, but also like picrelated.
Maybe it's incorrect to even call that chibi, but smol + minimalistic is how I understood the term.
>>7916677
Nice.

>>7916689
That's the plan.
Any tips for the cooking and seasoning?

My art is getting worse. It's pissing me off.

>>7916692
we are /video/ general search it up.

>>7916690
Another example:
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xo6nVZq7iLA
Is texture painting here "symbol drawing", but modelling not?
This gets very confusing in 3dcg context especially.

>>7916698
This?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Ya4y1q7pw/?spm_id_from=333.1387.collection.video_card.click

>>7916706
Nice Epstein in the top right

>>7916690
yeah that's not chibi really, just stylization. there are '3d chibi' like those from blue archive but the proportions aren't that of your pic
well if that's your goal, then you'll have to learn to feel the form properly, anon. there is a lot of subtlety in that >>7916677 drawing hinting at 3d shapes
>neck appears offcenter to the shoulder to hint at the S-curve of the torso
>torso goes in front of left upper arm but behind the left lower arm
>bandages wraps around the limbs as ellipses, etc
if you have trouble understanding what symbol drawing means, think of the egyptian hieroglyphs, where the heads are drawn in side profile but the eyes are drawn like in a front shot then the bodies are drawn from the front despite the head, etc. the perspectives don't match

>>7916699
Symbol drawing is mostly considered bad for beginners because, like most rules, they don't understand them so they don't know when and when not to use them. Putting a hyper-realistic animal eye or human eyes on this would probably be harsh on the style intended here. So, I think yes? It is symbole drawing? In a way. There is no attempt at trying to portray depth.

But the real question is; is your art advanced enough to weaponize something you were taught to not indulge in? Akin to artists shading with black.

>>7916704
>>7908289

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>Reporting in

>>7916716
I meant to ask, anon.
Uh
Who exactly is this person that you always draw? Also good job on the hand it looks like it has depth. And really impressed with your persistence.

>>7916719
Scariest part of this anon actually developed a art style.

>>7916719
Thank you. That is really nice of you to say. She is my character and she is in the Finnish military. I like drawing her stories there

>>7916680
I've seen many of your drawings and they're complete trash. Switch to tablet if you want but it's not going to change that you can't draw. It is what it is.

>>7916709
>>7916710
Thanks for insights anons, I mostly want to learn this area of drawing for the sake of improving my 3d. In 3d, I mostly do simple stylized environmental stuff, but now I also want to make some characters and I think it would be ideal to be able to learn 2d sketching in certain styles to come up with interesting designs. So I'm trying to understand what is my scope and what I should focus on. I wonder if I need to learn proper 2d perspective for example, because it seems really hard and I'm already doing 3d so maybe I can keep perspective there and just use 2d to play with those stylized ideas, but on the other hand, without 2d perspective my sketching and ideas may be limited.

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>>7916546
total art skill death

>>7916716
losing feet to gangrene speedrun

>>7916765
no shit

>>7916759
What is?

>>7916764
>>7916765
Oh no :/
Her jeans aren't meant to be so tight they make her feet hurt. The jeans are supposed to have a band at the lining so socks don't ride up or down and when wearing boots the hem stays in place, but I know that makes them look tighter than they are

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>>7916688
you arleady mog us

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Hand and face practice

>>7916724

I really like this

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Testing out my new markers and fineliners

>>7916727
One day please
Make a combination of all the drawings you’ve done of her in order to. I would love to see something like that

>>7916811
I second this, >>7916727
it would be nice to see your advancement in your art. I am perplexed and oddly curious about this character. I swear I thought she was some pre-existing IP, so kudos on that.

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>>7916729
Eyes are where I throw in the towel.

Lips weren't too bad, noses made no fucking sense, but eyes are where I have to give up. Not on drawing, just on the Portrait Project. I think Portraiture is the hardest mode. Even learning to draw hands isn't as hard as learning to draw the face. You can trace hands and make them look pretty good. You can try and trace a face all you want but if you don't know instinctively what lines to exclude or what to add, it'll always look like shit.

So I'm giving it up.
No more portraiture.

Instead, we're going to focus on Symbol Drawing. We're going /asg/ in this bitch. But specifically focusing on faces in anime. Basically the route that every weeb adult takes when they first learn how to draw. It's the path of least resistance and will at least get me to the point where I can make something that looks decent without months of virtually zero improvement.

The only problem I have now is figuring out what style I'm going to yiff. 90s anime? Teekyuu? What style do I want to emulate?

If I'm thinking about my goals in art, I want to emulate the style that can transition easily to comedy. So that probably means I can't do those moe, kawaii AF, animes that are slice of life or romance. Not that they can't be comedy but that the style doesn't lend itself to comedy.

I might not even do anime. I might go Jack Hamm on my meat and do classic cartoons instead. The point is to NOT learn drawing correctly. Fuck perspective. Fuck form. Fuck all of that. We're doing it completely "wrong." What this will do is either show me just how much I really need the fundamentals, or if I'm right, get me to the point where I can actually draw something that looks decent. Either work for me. Honestly, anything that gets me to draw more works for me. That's the most important thing after all.

https://files.catbox.moe/dhxgzp.jpg

>>7916729
I did mention this point exactly in my 2500 word essay. I would suggest giving it a read. It should enlighten you.

Genuinely what the fuck is the difference between flow and opacity? I understand that flow is sort of supposed to be conceptually choking the flow of an airbrush, and opacity would be the thickness of the paint. But how does that actually map to how the properties actually work? I can't tell the difference between the opacity brush, the flow brush and the flow-opacity brush

>>7916758
nice, but wtf even is this reference??

>>7916821
I'm glad you're doing this instead of torturing shelter animals, bro

>>7916809
thanks. its actually from last year, i should do a newer one with some other cowboy motif. maybe bill miner

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All these human faces and anatomy and shit and I'm over here drawing a fucking ANT

>>7916823
nta Anime Kigurumi. Look it up you uncultured swine. Do it.

>>7916840
very neat lines

>>7916841
the legs/ass look too smooth to be a real person though, unless that's also part of the costume

>>7916840
ANTS DONT GET YOU LIKES ON INSTAGRAM

>>7916680
>Drawing digitally is like typing on a keyboard for writers.
not really, its a dumb analogy
we dont value authors for their handwriting / typing skills. handwriting/typing is simply a means to an end, drawing is an end in and of itself.

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>>7916843
Thank you! I get told that a lot and I wonder what everyone else sees. I'm trying replicate my bullshit I do with mechanical pencils.
>>7916848
B B B BUT

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>>7916850
You're misconstruing the analogy.

There is no difference between writing by hand and typing things out other than the amount of effort it takes.

There is also no difference between drawing digitally and drawing traditionally other than the amount of effort it takes.

Both will give you basically the same exact result.

>we dont value authors for their handwriting / typing skills
Neither do we value artists for their drawing skills. We value them for the end result. That's all that matters.

The only time drawing skill ever matters would be within very specific spaces of learning drawing. That's why normies never gave a shit about Kim Jung Gi but other artists glazed him.

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>>7916811
>>7916819
I have made many drawings of her. I'll try to make a full compilation of all her stories some day that's in order. I'm really glad you like her :D

>>7916857
nice hands
why does she have huge tits but is wearing an elementary schoolkid backpack?

>>7916858
Thank you. This was an older drawing of her I made some months ago. That is meant to be M05 backpack, but It does have similar flat back that prevents bulging

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currently working on this and would like some feedback on the rendering.. does it look ”overworked”?

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>>7916865
this style is so inspiring to me and the rendering looks so effortless and organic compared to mine. how can i achieve this?

>>7916821
You may be onto something. Most artists admit that backwards path in their journey. Everyone says that, "I started with anime-comics and then I re-started my art education with proper traditional methods and refs". There must be a reason for that. Maybe it is meant to be like that. Like when we are kids we all start drawing in that weird "picasso" style, there's no other way to begin.

>>7916868
Look up Chinese rendering videos on youtube and that one Chinese tiktok site.

>>7916857
how long have you been drawing now?

>>7916891
I think it's been about year and a half soon

>>7916871
Artists often say, "I should've done X" referring to anatomy or fundamentals, but I think that if they actually were to do those things early on, they wouldn't have drawn as much as they did.

What always gets me is artists who have barely any grasp on perspective or form who can make good artwork. They show their ability to draw a box and it's fucking horrendous yet they can make something that looks visually appealing.

Why the fuck am I grinding boxes then???

There has to be something to doing things the wrong way and I aim to figure it out.
As I always say:
>It is better to learn drawing incorrectly and fix your bad habits later than it is to attempt to learn drawing correctly and quit because it's too dull.

>>7916876
>Chinese
no thank you

>>7916910
Become the render monkey and make render money

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Are these dumb drills really useful?

>>7916915
Nah it's a cope. Skip it and start with anatomy if you want to make it.

>>7916915
Yes of course. These are the types of exercises that will make you a better artist, unironically. Not something to be doing 24/7 but good help nonetheless

>>7916915
Yes and no.
For drawing, mastery of actual motor skills is important, but the actual "what am i drawing" part of drawing dictates the usage of lines. Think of it in terms of an engine vs a car.
You can have a whole car (mental skill, aka; observation, imagination, spatial sense, appealability, etc), but if it doesn't have an engine in it (mechanical motor skills, or a proper engine in it that fits the rest of the car's specs), it isn't going to drive - or drive that well at all, no matter how much the car has a "technical" superiority.
And vice versa, having a top of the line engine without having a car to put it into will just make it rust on a rack and not get used.
The key is to find a good balance in between the car and the engine, not perfection.

>>7916915
You gotta do it 1000 times for it to work. 1000 times of FUN! Get to it anone!

why do scrotes always use car analogies

>>7916915
Motor skills are very important, but they're also very basic. Which is why many retards say that isn't helpful.

But if you need to hone your motor skills, accuracy and get lines, that does help - just not with drawing itself.

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I'm going fucking crazy how do I draw the arms from the wrist to the shoulder from this angle without making it look fucked

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>>7916823
>>7916841
>>7916847
Doll actually. Been collecting pictures of japanese dolls/figurines for a while (around 9k now) off of twitter as "2.5d" references. The more clothes, expensive attachments (like complete posable hands instead of premade ones) and camera trickery, the less obvious the doll joints.

>>7916930
Want me to explain it in terms of a kitchen oven and a frying pan instead? You might be more familiar with those

>>7916946
Neh, the modern one doesn't know how to cook or clean. Explain with Facebook/instagram metaphors instead, and smart phones.

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>>7916336
sex with this cow
>>7916421
sex with this reptile

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Bringing these to work so I can work on them in my lunch break. When I have time, I want to do multiple versions of the same eye in my networking textbook just to get the symbols down. I think I'm pretty good at remembering symbols so these should be useful anytime I need to draw an eye. I'll probably do like a hundred of them and pick like a dozen of my favorites to use from imagination anytime I'm drawing. That way I can have something decent looking. The eyes make or break a drawing so this part is important. I wouldn't be surprised if I need to spend a few weeks on this.

>But you're symbol drawing!!
Yes.

>>7916915
No, I did those and didn't improve at drawing. They're good when you're already pretty good at drawing and want more confident lines but they're not going to make you any better at drawing stuff as I erroneously thought. If your drawings look like shit, you're only going to have shit drawings with confident lines.

>>7916945
There was someone on Instagram I followed that used to pose these dolls in cool places. I didn't draw at the time so they weren't for reference, I just genuinely thought it was cool. I think these are way better than that other weird shit the other anon was talking about.

>>7916946
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
"""foids""" eternally BTFO'd

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How many heads to I have to draw before I get anywhere? Also any advice on upturned heads?

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>>7916974
Wrong pic, this ones mine.

wip
>>7916840
>>7916851
These are really cute

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>>7916978
wow I’m a retard I forgot to post the pic

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>>7915767
More fried chicken studies

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something

>>7916976
>>7916974
Are you familiar with, "the 10,000 hour rule?"

>>7916989
Oh so only 3.4 years of treating this like a full time job and I'll have mastered this skill. Shorter than I thought.

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>>7916986
better something

>>7916995
it's giving sex offender sneaking into the women's restroom vibes