>Excluded from the OP again.
Fuck you and your shit ass thread I’ll continue not posting any art if you fucking niggers are going to keep ignoring it.

>>7912791
gori ga taosenai

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lol the two egils by different artists is getting me. my warm up sucks

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did this in january.
top right is reference, bottom left is best girl from imagination.

this method nigga might be the new pawell

>>7912798
pretty understandable.
i barely get responses on my work as is so it'd be nice to at least be in the OP.
The meme vomit can go too desu, just collage the art and leave it at that

>>7912804
not buying the hammer but cool forms. looks like you erased the correct answer for some reason

>>7912808
I will never accept that. I am the one true heir to the name Pawell

>>7912798
>>7912809
i used to mass reply posts that didn't get any replies, gotta be the change you want to see

Is this guy right?
https://x.com/i/status/2041145368235106698
If you cant read 3d and write 3d lines then you are just permafucked?
Why does he have to be a nigger about it? I fucking despise talented niggers like him who must belittle everyone who wasnt born gifted.

>>7912817
i mean the nigga is tracing incorrectly lol

>>7912810
You think so?
I was back and forth for awhile. The curve on the hammer didn't help the mental process either

>>7912817
no and op has nothing to do with anything 3d

>>7912819
just a fucked angle to draw it at desu so its a commendable effort, but yes it looks noticeably pinched at the front. When in doubt I think its best to exaggerate a bit and I dont think it would hurt the drawing if the hammer was longer in the front then in the back. mjolnir is small but extending a bit past the fingers there I think works.

>>7912798
Pagey...

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You asked for it!

ANOTHER METHOD
>Textbook Method (TBM)

This method involves using any random textbook you have lying around and using it to get your iterations down.

Did some noses/lips on this one. Might get back into that and letting go of purely observational drawing.

>>7912798
LMAO
Keep in mind, though. All forums dedicated to learning about art will ONLY focus on good artwork. It's a funny catch-22, which is why you should never take these seriously. /ic/ is for fun, use other forums for actually learning about art.

>>7912808
Pawell doesn't improve. I show obvious signs of improvement. Also, what even is my name? Iteration Autist? IFRM guy? Permabeg Schizo? I need something for the Github Page I'll probably make with all my artwork.

>>7912814
Thank you for your service.

>>7912817
Why the fuck does this have 14k likes?

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Is there a reason for this? I have been checking how the histogram goes smoothly while mine is full of spikes all over. And like I don’t know, I follow the same process, I use all these blending layers same as everyone else, but I still get these weird spikes and I don’t know what they mean

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>>7912817
First of all, Pinku isn't even an artist (unless you count "makeup artist" as an artist) so obviously their idea of form is non-existent.

Second, this Wafle guy sounds like a cunt. Why are you listening to pompous shitheads who are only good at drawing from talent alone?

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How bad is my digital painting? (Wip)

My work is so fucking COAL sometimes i think there's no point in continuing ngl

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goblin shortie

>>7912791
Holy kino, OP.
Fucking distilled art itself.

>>7912831
You need to post more like the wukong fag to get an adequate moniker, we don't know what is your schizo obsession yet. Other than those diary style schizo babble entries.

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>>7912843
>post more
Akhi, I post multiple times every single day. MOU GENKAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

>>7912791
that one guy who drew the pink thing in OP is so fucking obnoxious since day 1.

I hate when artists who suck try to make "dude ill show you how mr. /beg/!!! hope this helps!" their whole thing because they love the attention

>>7912838
looks great. maybe some shadow areas needs to be darker and also some better blending on places that highlight details.

>>7912853
don't be mean to peril, he's a sweetie

>>7912798
nobody cares about your gay porn scribbles paige

>>7912853
I see him post from time to time and I like his art, especially the black lady stuff

>>7912817
Just a quick glance through their profile this person seems pretty vile and has some deep seated self hatred which causes them to lash out at others, so I'd take anything they say with a grain of salt. In this case they are correct though

>>7912865
>DO NOT use my art for absolutely nothing. no pfp, no header, no repost, no edit, no feeding to AI, no pins, no prints. nothing

>stay the fuck away from me if you ship yourself or refer romantically to any of the characters listed below. you will be blocked on sight idgaf

lmao some artists are so insane its hilarious. I love these types of characters so much but wouldnt want to interact with them irl ever.

I like to draw, but man... when I sit tu learn and do some studys a procrastinate as hell

>>7912874
Sorry for the bad typing, I'm veeery sleepy

>>7912791
I love that Gorilla and his brother glorila

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any advice is appreciated

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hey lads, started out drawing for a week since like 20-25 years or so, so heres my WIP
i kinda like this artstyle with the celshade, I have been watching some dude on Twitter called Ccrawlerart that has this sort of style and I decided to kinda 'adopt' it for just a few minutes of my time :-D

>>7912804
i really dig it, except for the knees being super thick, i feel like you forgot to separate the knee with the lower leg part there, keep at it boss

>>7912838
lookin baller, just needs some attention to the hand with highlights and stuff like the other anon said >>7912855

>>7912885
It's good, I tried to redraw it and was difficult

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Another hand study, I decided to use the tardgrid as well as construct a bit rather than trying to rawdog the 'draw the shapes of the shadows' method which I've always found obtuse. Lots of mistakes and weirdness but I can't stare at this damn thing anymore

>>7912893
is this fat fetish content or am i gooner brained

>>7912916
It's one of Papa Nurgle's sons

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how many more of these do I have to do before I'm allowed to draw what I want?

>>7912885
I like it, just needs better understanding of fabrics for her sweater

>>7912920
>he doesn't know

>>7912920
It never ends.

>>7912920
>who's gonna tell him

>>7912920
Episode 910482345 of "Bait or retardation"!
Cast your votes now.

>>7912920
Looks great! Time to move on to naked black men realism studies.

>>7912834
I want to see what others have to say. I will do a guess...

The one on the bottom has clear separation between light/warm and shadow/cool.

Remember that giving the opposite temperature to the shadow is not the reality, but an oversimplification, that can work very well for "simpler" styles.

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>>7912916
its a chaos lord from nurgle, anon

>>7912919
>>7912935
>Warhammer
So it's gay fetish content

>>7912937
It's not gay to have a father figure

>>7912920
It's an exercise. You don't only have to draw still lives you know? Drawing what you want and and doing some studying are not mutually exclusive. You can do both. Stop being a retard.

>>7912872

This is my favorite thing I've seen you post.

>>7912885

The legs look flat. Everything else feels like theres form, legs look like you slapped two curve shapes between the midsection and boots and called it a day. Rear one looks most off. Rest is nice, just needs to be shaded.

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>>7912791
wip. i feel like i can't decide when i've rendered one part of the drawing enough and should move on to the next one.

>>7912951
no but i do think her legs should be slightly bigger

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gonna chill out, been at it for 6 hours

>>7912950
dang this is pretty cool, though I feel like the left shoulder is a bit too far off maybe
maybe you could exaggerate the brightest highlight a lot more for a dramatic look, but not bad desu

>>7912960
think of the money anon

>>7912926
95% retardation, 5% bait
>>7912945
I have been a permabeg for way too long, I need to grind endlessly to escape this hell.

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>>7912860
THANK YOU!!! There you have a Funky Babe for you! Hope you like it!
>>7912856
Thank you Thank you Thank you!
>>7912853
Are you referring to me? My first post was really helpful I remember, that's why I kept posting and got hook on the board. I always try to be the furthest thing from being obnoxious or mean. I'm sorry if I offended you in any way. =)
Anyways I'm really low on energy right now, so you won't see me around for a while. Gonna be doing other things to chill.

>>7912950
This is amazing
>>7912872
Nice one! You should study Leyendecker, there's something of his composition and ideas in your work
>>7912840
Beautiful scribbly lines!
>>7912838
This is perfection!
>>7912831
These are excellent, petty nice vintage looking style
>>7912816
I love how dynamic this looks, pretty nice design!
>>7912803
Perfect Foreshortening and hot body!

>>7912964
do u get aroused by ur own art/ art style?

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Prior to this I was exclusively pencil-on-paper drawing from observation, so this is my first serious attempt at not just drawing from imagination but also at an animu girl and really digital art as well. So I think it went well enough, all things considered.
Shitty hands/feet and some wonky shadows were to be expected, but my biggest disappointment is how flat the face looks. I think I just made her head way too circular, like Karl Pilkington.
Critique very welcome

>>7912951
no, there are actual issuess in the drawng

>>7912972
Look at your own feet and tell me where your big toes are located

>>7912974
Holy fuck I'm retarded lmao
Now I'm a little embarrassed

>>7912962
kys

>>7912975
Either fix them toes or claim it's a birth defect.

>>7912972
based

>>7912972
Eyes too far apart
You're not including the flat side of the head when putting it together to it ends up too circular

How do I learn to relax and enjoy drawing? Sometimes I can get in a groove and I feel good while I'm drawing, but when I finish and look at it to evaluate it, I see all the mistakes I made and it's too late to fix them. It's gotten to the point where I'm anxious while I'm drawing in anticipation of seeing all the errors I didn't notice until the end. And thinking about that makes me nervous to even start. Has anyone gone through something like this and figured it out?

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fuckass warmup to see what anatomical knowledge is scuffed before my figure studies today

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>get into antomy
>actually start to find feet arousing and devloping a fetish
No fap unicroncailly helps me stay locked in on art but fuck does it have some side effects

>>7913000
Your approach to practice is fucked. Practice is just structured failure. You're supposed to be fucking up while practicing, otherwise you aren't actually pushing yourself to your limits. If your practice is making you feel overwhelmed or burnt out, it means tone down the practice or focus on fun for a bit. Fun/play is extremely important to the learning process, it's actually where a lot of your learning and novel ideation happens.

>>7913000
you can pick a favorite inspirational quote to remind yourself whenever feel this way. mine is "the master has failed more times than the beginner has even tried"

>>7913003
I really like this, it's got some soul to it and super cute.
The feet are also well done, always nice to see. good job.

>>7913000
brute force it drawing waifus
my first 2~3 years were absolutely miserable

>>7913001
I would attempt to have sex with this creature.

I WANT TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF.

I WANT TO FUCK MYSELF.

>Want to draw
>Have pencil, pen, paper, and eraser, good to go
>Get some decent markers for coloring
>Paper turns out to be shit, curls and waves just from me breathing on it
>Pencil is too thick and eraser too shitty to erase lineart
>Pen too thin for inking
>Markers are nice but smudge my other shitty equipment
I thought my school supply tier shit would be enough. Why is it all so awful? Now I have to get more stuff to match my markers.

>>7913014
oh no worries there, it'd definitely attempt to rape you if it saw you.

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>>7913013
>>7913000
This, just chill, if nobody likes your drawings just draw a girl who would.

>>7913018
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Back on the Portrait Project.
Just finished the 50 copies of artist's drawings.
Now onto real life subjects.

One thing that helps me learn from life is actually tracing. I draw on top of the subject until I get something I'm satisfied with then I copy my trace. I believe that if you do not have the ability to trace something and make it look good, you will not be able to copy it and make it look good. So tracing is a good exercise to do to figure out if you really know how to draw something.

I know I have to learn how the features sit on the face to avoid the """pin the feature on the face""" but honestly, I don't have a usecase for learning the three dimensions of the face. At least the 3 dimensions were never a reason as to why my faces looked bad. It's always something else, usually proportion. Once I fix those obvious and bad mistakes, it will make sense to move onto making it look three dimensional. Rushing to 3D will be a waste of time as I've yet to draw properly proportioned heads in the first place. So it doesn't matter if I can perfectly reflect 3D, it'll just be malformed 3D features onto a perfectly believable form.

After noses and lips, I think I want to move onto eyes.
I know before I said I wanted to skip eyes but I've been including them in my previous drawings lately and I feel like I kind of get how they're supposed to be drawn. At least I'm more comfortable doing them now than I was before. Once I get the eyes down, I have the whole mask of the face done! But I'm getting ahead of myself. Lets focus on our noses and lips right now.

I'll be doing this digitally.
The Intuos 3 tablet is the only screenless tablet I can use. I have an Intuos Pro and honestly it's nowhere near as nice to use as a good ol' Intuos 3. They just don't make 'em like they used to...

>>7912964
Thanks. It wasn't my intention but maybe I should check out some of the old vintage pinup artwork and 90s anime.

>>7913023
These dont look TOO bad. How come everything else is repulsive?

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>>7913024
It's because I'm LEARNING how to draw. It's how learning works. You suck most of the time then sometimes you make something nice, then you go back to sucking.

It took me 2 months to really draw, before I just spend all day searching for the perfect course, or book, now, I just draw whatever I see, and I'm enjoying it.

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This might be useful for anyone drawing faces. I'm putting this on a second monitor while drawing faces from life to remind me of different ways to simplify or draw a part of the face.

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WIP. Soooo slow to color in the sky with a dying marker.

>>7913039
thumbnail looks like a blue mr krabs

>>7912972
anon... please go hit the books

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>>7913032
pelvis seemed a little too low and the hips look like they went out way too much considering the rest of the legs, i know my edit looks like shit but hopefully it gets my point across

>>7912972
lmao. Okay, but I have to respect the fact that you didn't shy away from drawing anatomy you aren't familiar with. That needs to be commended. Most people, even the ones more skilled than you tend to hide fingers and toes and you just went balls deep. For that reason


100% UNFILTERED AND UNIRONIC SOVL

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>>7913032
>>7913043
im sorry bro...

>>7912972
based
but next time please put a more neutral background

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>>7913039
Black marker died. Finished up with purple eh

>>7913059
honestly looks really damn cool

>>7913043
>>7913047
yeah I REALLY lost the plot with the legs (among other things). looking back at the ref the right leg is meant to be bent and I didn't think about that at all

I appreciate the help. I don't think I'm going to revisit/continue with that one, just wanted to quickly lay down some thicc shit

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Going to finish it tomorrow

>>7913066
anon r u a lesbian or do u just like drawing lesbians

>>7913066
There is no tomorrow, only now. Embrace the now, with all your limitations and see how far you can go.

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i started trying out chiaroscuro for portrait drawings and i don't know how well i'm doing with it, i find it hard to place the shadow shapes without fully constructing the shape of the feature. i also don't know how much of the flat feeling could be alleviated with a halftone paper

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el wipo. have decided to take the plunge and focus more on structured linework rather than have my art be shape/gesture dominant cause my draftmanship is fucking asss. reason the lineart looks compressed af is because i had to rip this from a screenshot off a magma board i was drawing on with randos before they kicked me for no reason

>>7913023
Great work, anon! When used as a study tool, tracing can help you. Remember to do blind contours, use the Cognitive Method (observe the ref, hide it, then draw from memory), and break down the ref into shapes and forms as you trace.

when drawing a real face I gets really stressed when I can't make it look like the person in the reference . I can capture some "likeness" stuffs but it will be always off from the reference.

Retarded question but when people use layer like multiply, do they just duplicate the base color on that layer?

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>>7913100
no they do not mean that

how do I not be a reference slave?

>>7913117
Even people who draw from imagination use references. Just use it for the bits you need

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>>7912872
nice>>7912885 why does hse have a beastplare >>7912920 are you scoobert? >>7912950 tiny hands and wrists >>7913000its more fun when youre good

>>7913119
yeah but i feel like i can't draw anything without reference.

>>7913122
It sounds more like you're afraid of failure than anything. It's the same as everything else with art, just a skill to be learned from practice. Do it badly until you do it not so badly

>>7913117
You study references with the goal of internalizing either the patterns or parts that make up the reference, or the entire reference itself. This is how you build up your visual library. The methodical, mindful and analytical studying of things through observation. Literally. To draw from imagination you're just drawing from your visual library. If you haven't internalized things in a way that you understand what makes it look "right" then you aren't actually building your visual library.

>>7913127
ye exactly. not using a reference is the end goal of using 1000 references so to speak.

>>7913128
>Ppl when Kim Jun Gi said he would autistically draw everything he saw, and then to make sure he truly understood its form and parts, draw it from multiple angles from imagination

He's just talented dud, literally sees the lines on the page, it's joever I'll never be talented. Woe is me I'm a lazy bitch who doesn't actually want to put in the time or effort to become a master at a craft wahhh even though mastery literally is paid for through diligence and the tax of time wahhhh

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>>7912969
>do u get aroused by ur own art/ art style?
It depends, most of the time, not in the moment, but when I look at it much much later, then yes. Your brain seems to create a familiarity with the shapes that you're creating in a process that can take hours, that "familiarity" turns them into just ordinary "lines". I guess is like when you can't smell your own farts, or you won't get horny looking at your own sister even if she's hot as hell. Something like that. It works much better on other people, the consumers.
Though, I recently did this little animation >>7906183 and I think it is HOT AS FUCK, I can watch that for hours. I should try to replicate that. That's the other thing too, maybe a piece that I do isn't hot by any means, but it is part of the process to find that one hot piece that I want to create.
There you have another quick funky gal

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>>7912798

>>7913124
when I look back at my drawing I realized I never used my imagination to picture something in head and draw it. it just all drawn from flow state. you are correct I have keep draw badly until not draw badly.

>>7913127
i ll save this massage to read everyday

>>7913003
Same thing happened with me and armpits. Just something about how all the muscles there overlap and push against each other

>>7913129
you're telling me he have some kind magical neural network in his brain when he was born that let him allows to see thro objects? getting that kind of that something magical brain shit is not impossible it is (improbable)

>>7913139
The day that you start actually seeing thing, like actually observing things. The parts that things up. The forms. The planes. The patterns between objects, is the day you make a breakthrough in your progress. I promise this. 100%. No bullshit. The difference between how an absolute beginner and even just a high int or advanced artist observe is miles apart. You don't get this until you actually start to see. Once you see you understand. You'll have like a Neo in the matrix moment where he sees the code and understands. You won't understand until you do. It all starts to come together. The fundies really do add on top of eachother, and give you your "eyes". Once you have your eyes, you know how to study for any specific weakness you have, and all it takes to continue progressing is a matter of time and dedicated studying. A really effective method for that kind of study is to first observe and copy the specific thing you're studying, truly try to understand it as you're copying it. Then draw it from memory, note all the things you didn't internalize, then after that you can repeat an observational study if you don't feel confident in your understanding yet. Once you're able to draw what you were trying to understand without reference, then you start to try to rotate it. A key thing to remember is when trying to draw without reference, it's not so much perfectly replicating what you were studying, but drawing something via your understanding of the mechanics of what you were studying. That's much more important than brute memorization. When you're studying you're deconstructing your subject, whether it be a form, technique, reference, etc, so you can reconstruct it through your own understanding. It's literally a critical thinking exercise. Good luck.

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late night chinatsu

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I picked up a nice tablet from a pawn shop for cheap, so I’m trying to get back into drawing after almost 20 years

>>7913144
How long did you spend on this drawing?

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yesterday stuff

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>>7913157
more from yesterday, a few gestures from the NMA video

Do my art need meaning or emotions?

>>7913164
post ur art

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>>7913102
Then why even uses those layers in the first place. The first place? Why not just directly choose the color you want?

>>7913172
Ignore one of those first places wth

>>7913172
only a fool disregards tools

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>Writing is hard than drawing.
I've been thinking about quitting recently.
Not because drawing is hard, it's actually quite straight-forward once you get around the maliciously bad advice given.
But because writing is much harder.

Think about it.
How many "Writer Prodigies" do you hear about?
I've never heard of one.
I've seen "Coding Prodigies" and "Drawing Prodigies" and "Music Prodigies." But I've never once heard of a writing prodigy. Essentially, someone who is really good at writing at a very young age. It simply doesn't exist.

When it comes to drawing, you see plenty of 20 year olds who are already really good at drawing. They're already producing professional work whereas writers don't publish their first book until their damn near 50 years old.

So I've been thinking recently.
I know I want to write but I also want to draw.
Do I need to give up drawing in order to be able to write better?
Is it even possible to do both with writing being so much more difficult?

Oh, who am I kidding?

I can't possibly leave /beg/ behind.

Anyway, I've been going through the portrait project like I mentioned yesterday and am up to drawing noses/mouths from life. I tried to trace digitally but damn is this screenless really fucking hard to use. I'm thinking of just being completely traditional. Even if I redline /beg/ artwork (yes, that's cooming soon!!), I could probably just do it traditionally. I already have a lighttable. But I've been thinking of getting myself an iPad Mini. It's the perfect form factor for me since I like working smaller (see my Post-it Method). But I don't know. I kinda like drawing traditionally. I'll need to think about it more but I think I'll just stick to traditional indefinitely. Or at least until I impulse buy a screen tablet.

Here's page 7 of my book, On Drawing, where I go over tracing, one of the least understood and most underrated methods for learning how to draw.

>>7913094
Thank you!
I'll try the memory drawing with my trace studies.

>>7913181
How did I fuck up my post within the first three words...

>>7913181
this isnt because writing is harder its because getting enough recognition for anyone to gaf about your writing takes longer (because no one wants to read but everyone can write something).
Also you should've just fucking looked it up, Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein at 19

Also pyw

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With out the sketch lines it looks so weird and I cant figure out why besides its somewhere in the maul. Someone help me out please
Here is the lineart only.

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>>7913188
With sketch

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>>7913188
why are you suprised it looks weird when you completely remove a form

>>7913181
I already found the secret to draw anything. but not gonna tell you or anyone in this board.

>>7912920
I hate drawing Cylinders.

>>7913191
Omg thankyou. I stopped drawing for over a year and pretty much forgot everything

>>7913003
Ouughh, good jobbguhh....

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gestures plus concepting a lust demon
my idea is a deformed humanoid middle aged man with no genitals
but his tongue and index+middle fingers are his tools
and yes, his neck is foreskin

>>7913205
wdym by lust demon? why his tongue and fingers are his tools?

>>7913213
yes

>>7913066
nice

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>>7913184
You just proved my point.

The fact that it's harder to get recognition already proves that the bar is significantly higher. This means your technical ability needs to be stronger and why it takes people until they're in their 40s and 50s to be considered good. That's why the ONLY well-known example you can give me is a book from 200 years ago. It simply doesn't happen.

One of the best examples I can give you is idea of feedback/critique. You just said yourself that people don't want to read. What does that mean?

>Less readers == Less feedback == Slower improvement

The fact that there are less readers, and even less writers, already makes learning how to write significantly harder. I'm not saying drawing is easy by any stretch. It takes about 20 years to really be good at drawing. I'm just saying it takes roughly 30-40 years comparatively.

I look at it like this:
>Writing = Easier to Learn, Harder to Master
>Drawing = Harder to Learn, Easier to Master

That's why you have way more absolute beginners in drawing than you do in writing. Almost everyone knows how to write a sentence, but it takes 30+ years to write one worth reading.

>>7913192
I KNEEL.

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>>7912972
Second attempt, thinking about lessons learned. Tried to make the head more proportional, actually used a couple references for the feet, made sure her legs weren't accidentally switched at birth. Also stylistically used a lighter hand for the shadows and just a basic black outline.
I had a lot of fun with these, I feel like I learned a lot about where I am and where I'm going, but I think it's back to the anatomy mines for me now, maybe a few drapery and anime face studies when I get bored again.
(Critique welcome again, I think the perspective being a little wonky on this one is its biggest issue.)

>>7913221
>but it takes 30+ years to write one worth reading.
no it doesnt you retard you completely missed my point
no talent + retarded yeah you better give up drawing

>>7913184
>Mary Shelley wrote Frankenstein at 19
Yeah and you can sort of tell.

I think the drawing vs writing comparison is kind of thrown off by the fact that drawing relies a lot more on practiced motor skill, while writing is more about lived experience and broad understanding of how the world works. There are people who picked up writing relatively late in life and produced great works. It just doesn't take that much practice if you actually have a working brain that isn't completely empty.

>>7913223
>talent
That's a whole other point.
See how quickly you give up?
>Not immediately good
>Give up
This solidifies my point about writing being harder.
Writers don't constantly tell each other they have to have talent.
Read more and write more.

Yet you go on /ic/ and other art boards and people just say to immediately give up if you draw for a few years and don't really see good progress. This in itself already proves how much easier it is to learn how to draw. If learning how to draw was so fucking difficult, why do artists who can draw tell you to just give up drawing if you don't have talent?

Sounds like, to me, they didn't really have to work for their ability. They had talent, drew a little, then got good.

That's simply not something that happens with writing.

>>7913225
I didn't want to mention this, but yes, it uses "writing style" to cover up the bad writing. If she were to write a typically thriller or mystery or any other kind of novel, it wouldn't hold up, even at that time. The specific genre she wrote in, however, allowed her to cover up her mistakes with style. Kind of like how some artists do.

>>7913227
This definitely happens but I think you're wrong to imply that the writing is good. It simply requires way too much reading and way too much writing for someone to just pick it up and start doing it well. Yes, they can produce something that isn't terrible based on life experience alone but you can always tell when the person is inexperienced in writing because of how it reads.

It's similar to a surgeon being able to draw believable anatomy with little drawing practice because they know it so well. You can immediately tell that they do not have experience drawing but they can still draw the anatomy well enough that you know what they're referring to.

>>7913229
I said more, not only, but I guess you haven't read enough to be able to tell the distinction.

>>7913231
>>7913229
>>7913228

We all know you're replying to you own shit.

>>7913228
i hope you get raped to death by dogs, you dont even draw just blogpost 80iq shit no one reads, gtfo

>>7913231
I know this is a bad faith reply but I'll reword it for you anyway since you're so caught up on semantics:
>based on life experience alone > based mostly on life experience
Keep in mind, I specifically said
>little drawing practice
in my surgeon example. Implying that with SOME drawing practice a surgeon can draw anatomy believably, even though it's immediately obvious they lack drawing experience. Thus, if you have reading comprehension skills and aren't trying to bad faith an angle, you would come to the conclusion that the opposite applies for people learning to write.
>i.e. someone with a lot of life experience and LITTLE WRITING PRACTICE can produce something decent, but you can tell they're not experienced in writing.
>>7913232
Everyone in this thread is me. You are literally me.
>>7913234
>you dont even draw
Explain this: >>7913025

>>7913025
wow what the fuck did you even learn

>>7913236
I learned how to draw cylindrical penises on your favorite artists' books: >>7913221

>>7913237
i know you probably this is le epic ragebait dunk but its just pathetic because the drawing is so shit but you tried so hard

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From what I gather, nowrites are even worse than nodraws. Writing has a tendency to attract people who want to tell stories, and those stories tend to be better suited to TV or film because that's what they actually consume. Except you need a lot of people and resources for those media, so they decide they're going to just write a novel even though they don't even enjoy reading

The result is writing forums being covered full of people asking how to enjoy writing who never ever will. Nodraws at least tend to have some appreciation for art

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>>7913241
>drawing is so shit
Are we looking at the same drawing?
I'll re-upload it upside down just to make sure. This is close to a lot of professional artist's earlier works.

>>7913244
AntiChrist

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>>7913148
About an hour

>>7913091
Cool design, reminds me of Jet Set Radio

>>7913079
The eyes look cool to me. The portrait does seem to have some issues but it's harder to tell with the low res. Is there any reason you can't construct though? IIRC chiaroscuro is more of a rendering style and compositional technique emphasizing dramatic contrast. The forms should still be the forms

>>7913145
symbol drawing reeeeeeee
Jk. I like that catto

>>7913222
I mean this as a compliment: your taste is way ahead of your skill. Keep going!

>>7913235
If you're the person I told to get better at trolling and not be a pathetic piece of shit a few weeks ago. I regret telling you that. Fuck you.

>>7913244
>This is close to a lot of professional artist's earlier works.
lmfao it's ok that you're shit because good artists were shit before? what level of delusional is this

why is /ic/ full of schizos

why is the ocean full of water

Can someone summarize what the schizo 7 years anon has been saying? I'm not gonna fucking read his wall of text, like, fuck dude, 2 threads with 10 or more walls of text, tldr man

>>7913290
nothing new, just to focus on observation and accuracy first. just delusions of grandeur from a dude who has been /beg/ for 7 years.

>>7913290
He has lost interest in drawing and wants to be a writer

>>7913290
>don't read books
>but copy books
>don't do studies
>but study sometimes
>ignore everything that /ic/ says
>actually do what /ic/ says but call it something else
There your tl;dr sir

What triggered the no-draws all of a sudden?

>>7913294
he should combine his lust for art and writing and create ascii art

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Drawing portraits is extremely difficult so I'm going to focus on memorizing symbols before moving onto the rest of the body. If I feel like I need to be able to draw the face more accurately later, then I'll learn shit like the anatomy and the skull and all of that. But right now, I think it's better to just get a surface level understanding and just memorize symbols over learning more complex skills like drawing from life. When I try to draw from life, I just don't get it. Nothing makes sense. Hell, I can't even trace from life. It always looks like shit. So I need a way to make this easier on myself. I think the best way is to just focus on drawing artist's renditions of faces. This doesn't mean I avoid understanding how they work, it just means I won't be copying from life, only from other artist's drawings. This might not be the "correct" way to learn how to draw but I think anything that makes you want to draw more is "correct."

It's better to struggle to correct a bad habit later than to end up not drawing at all because you forced yourself to do everything "correctly."

>>7913283
I wonder the same myself. Why can't people just be normal?

>>7913290
>>7913292
>>7913295
See flowchart. It more accurately encapsulates my point.

>>7913294
It percolates but I haven't quit just yet!

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>>7913303
I just realized that initial part of the post comes out of left field. It refers to another entry in my series: On Drawing.

Imagine how good this nigga would be if he drew as much as he wrote

stop replying to the 7 year permabeg schizo
holy shit

I don't even think it's trolling anymore. He's genuinely fucking deranged. I kind of have to respect it though genuine profound madness is a rare sight here

>>7913307
Am I fucking hallucinating or are you improving? Your last pictures of extremely gay shit have been better-looking than what came before.

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>>7912817
>90% of his posts are meme reaction images
I literally cannot think of anything more fucking annoying than this. I've had to stop following Japanese artists because they kept spamming pictures of food like some instagram thot.

>>7913304
why don't you turn your schizobabble into a webcomic and call it "Scribblebabble" then you'd actually make something of substance out of your trolling
>>7913307
i always assume people who say nigga are black peeps

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>>7913306
I wonder the same thing myself.
>>7913308
Valid crashout, chat?
>>7913309
This is only 15% of my real ability.
/ic/ is not really for 100%.
>>7913310
Yes. Thank you.
>>7913314
>webcomic
Web Comics always felt a little gay to me. Even the word itself just sounds weird like "package" or "liquid." Also, don't Web Comics prioritize art over writing? A lot of the writing I'm seeing from these Web Comics seems pretty awful.

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>>7912838
Lost interest in this so I quickly and lazily finished it. Its doo doo but oh well.

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aww sheep

>>7913307
I don't like being racist

>>7913325
i meant to reply this to >>7913307

>>7913317
no, call it whatever the fuck you want to call it, but you can have literal stickmen like what you already do with your journaling and symbol drawing. it's what actually made me go, you're already halfway there buddy. If you're even witty which your trolling implies you are, then it can even become like a community shitpost we all come to enjoy over time. sprinkle in some actual advice in between all the pseudoschizobabble and by god you got a normie adjacent banger

>>7913329
>sprinkle in actual advice
Now you're being unrealistic.

>>7913329
it needs to have a veil of irony to it so you can claim not having tried if it lands poorly doe thus assuring a totality of victory

>>7913317
>don't Web Comics prioritize art over writing
This man has never heard of B^U

>>7913179
He is not disregarding... Can't you see he is starting now? It's completely outside of his knowledge.

>>7913172
You could use something like multiply/screen if you have multiple colors below, so you don't have to manually change everytime.

But also if you want to give a different feel, about how the color "curves" with the different opacities set by your pressure.
Like, try to use "add (glow)" on CSP, and see how it feels (the Photoshop equivalent would actually require an additional setting in the layer properties though).

Also, things like multiply, overlay, and screen, can be used to color a greyscale image.

>>7913072
I’m a guy. Don’t really care about lesbians

>>7913340
>I’m a guy
Not for much longer. I've seen what higurashi and umineko does to people.

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>>7912885
>>7912921
Yeah, I'm not that good at clothes in general. Is this a decent start for some cloth folds? Not really sure, haven't really tried much before now either.
>>7913120
>why does hse have a beastplare
it's just supposed to be a different color in that part. no specific reason i just thought it'd look interesting.

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>>7913343
You just gotta consider gravity and how the fabric hangs off the arms. If the arm is relaxed, like your characters left arm is there, there shouldn’t be too many folds, it’ll just hang off loosely.

>>7912989
Head and face look good, I’d try focusing a bit more on the hands and feet
>>7913032
Cute, just the legs and hips look a bit too wide
>>7913144
Looks great but I feel you should work on the hair, especially the strands
>>7913222
Really nice

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Finished more face copies of artists.
Up to 65 now.
Might just get to 100 before going onto eyes. I do want to go back home and rewatch some anatomy videos of the nose/lips again. I kinda forgot some of it.

>>7913329
>>7913330
>actual advice
That's what my flowchart is. I think it's the best resource for begs at the moment: >>7913303
It literally cannot be proven wrong and anyone saying to study in any other order is purposely misleading /beg/.

What I'm noticing is that people are mad at me for showing my progress because it reveals too much. A lot of artists hide behind stylization and stabalizers but I'm showing the RAW truth. What actual improvement looks like. No filters. No double takes. No other artist has ever done that in the history of drawing. I am literally the first one.

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stalker drawing cafe people

>>7913144
>Not even a month in
>Already this good
I WANT TO FUCKING KILL MYSELF. I WANT TO FUCKING DIE.
I AM TALENTLESS FUCKING PERMABEG FUCKING GARBAGE. KILL ME. KOLL ME NOW AND SPARE ME BEING PERMABEGSUBHUMAN TRASH.
GRANT ME TALENT OR GRANT ME DEATH.
WHY CANT I FUCKING IMPROVE AFTER YEARS WHILE EVERY FUCKING ASSHOLE WITH TALENT CAN MAKE IT IN WEEKS.

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>>7913352
しっかりしろ, anon!
It doesn't take that long to get good at copying anime. Pic related is me after 1 month of grinding copies. Took me exactly 50 hours and about 150 copies to get to that point.

If he drew that from imagination then he's just fucking lying but I don't know the whole story.

i kind of want an abusive male mentor to whip me into shape who is older than me

>>7913352
7 year permabeg? care to explain this??

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>>7913356
I need to see what his drawings look like. At least several though, not just one cherry-picked drawing.

Lack of improvement almost always stems from either barely drawing (which is what happened to me a lot) or studying the fundamentals out of order (which is also what happened to me a lot).

>>7913348
If you fuckers tell me to take away her birthing hips again I'll fucking kill you

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>But they don't actually draw there, they just shitpost about schizos and feed trolls all day

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To clear up confusion about the "7 years" since that keeps getting mentioned a lot, I want to say that I DID NOT DRAW for all those 7 years. It's not possible to draw consistently for years and not improve, especially not someone who's extremely analytical like myself. Here's the actual timeline:

>Before 2016: Drew stick figure comics as a kid but nothing 3D
>2016: Tried drawing for a week; quit b/c no talent
>2019: Started taking drawing more seriously; got really good at copying; stopped copying to pursue gesture/figure drawing while completely skipping perspective/form; barely improved; burnout; depression; etc.
>2020: Barely drew, just grinded courses
>2021: Didn't draw at all
>2022: Drew for 2 months
>2023: Drew for 1 month
>2024: Didn't draw at all
>2025: Drew very consistently for 2 months, saw actual improvement, but burned out again
>2026: Now

As you can see, the majority of my problems stemmed from burnout, not from studying incorrectly. What happened to me is the result of BURNOUT. This is why burnout is the MOST DANGEROUS thing you can deal with. It's been fucking 7 years and I still haven't recovered from burning out in 2019. It could probably take me 10 years to recover. That's what happens when you force yourself to draw for 10 hours every single day for 2 months straight and show little improvement because you were studying incorrectly.

If I drew for 7 years consistently, I wouldn't be where I'm at. But because of burnout, that just wasn't possible.

Hope that cleared up some things for you guys.

>>7913354
That looks pretty good for 1 month and that guy seems to have only been doing headshots which I’ve said are the easiest to get better at and what beginners should focus on.

I don't know if I'm just coping but I've come to realize that accepting the ugliness of the ugly phase is very important because it puts you in a more experimentalist mindset, "Oh, it already looks a bit doodoo so let me try this out anyways."

>>7913371
That's also why PewDiePie seemed to improve so quickly. He still draws like a beginner but because he grinded anime girl faces, which are pretty easy to draw, it seemed like he was improving drastically when he can't draw anything except htat.

>>7913355
Lemme see your art

>>7913359
Her torso/waist/hips are too wide, like fat girl run over by a steamroller wide not fertile wide.

>>7913369
The longest break I ever took from “burning out” was about a month. Not recovering after 7 years seems more like you have a laziness problem

>>7913369
You studied wrong which caused burnout

>>7913382
Laziness? Many such cases!

>>7913379
Mm point taken

>>7913355
Lemme see your art you fuck. If you can't handle publicly posting your art what makes you think you can handle me tearing it apart

>>7913387
>>7913376
I post it publicly often but attaching it to my fantasies may be a humiliation ritual im not ready for sir

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>>7913382
Depends what you mean by "laziness." How do you define that?

I know it sounds like an excuse but after about 15 minutes of drawing, I feel like someone is stabbing me in the shoulder blade. I also fucked up my neck from drawing with shitty ergonomics in 2019.

IMO, I think it's just me wanting to avoid all that bullshit moreso than wishful thinking of getting good without work.
>>7913383
Yes, that was the point I was trying to get across. Had I spent those hours studying observation > form, I would've seen actual improvement and not have burned out from doing 500 sheets of figure drawings that didn't improve my ability in the slightest.

>>7913389
Fucking pathetic. I knew the bar was low but you somehow managed to disappoint me still.

>>7913351
>>7913353
Holy Chad

Anyone is gonna aply to the 7 years schizo method? If no one volunteer, I'll volunter to be the lab rat

>>7913144
Why does she have toon link eyes

>>7913398
She's gonna wake some winds

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>>7913396
People already replied, but it's not going to get much traction now that the situation has been properly revealed.

If someone did genuinely study drawing for 7 years and didn't improve, that would actually be impressive. But people like me never drew for 7 years. We only started 7 years ago. Just like how someone who has been "drawing their whole life" hasn't been drawing for 20 years if they're that age. The accumulated amount of hours is significantly less.

It's no interesting so I expect the responses to die down now, which was honestly my intention. I'm getting a little tired of posting consistently. It is distracting me from drawing too much.

So yea. I didn't draw for 7 years, really. It's more like 4-5 months, MAYBE 6 months, if you only counted consistency. The progress I made so far is pretty normal for 5-6 months of drawing. I'm not as exception as you all made me out to be. I'm just average.

But I do want people to avoid the mistakes I did. Specifically burnout. To do that, they need to avoid studying the WRONG FUNDAMENTALS too early. You won't improve and will only burnout like I did.

What exactly counts as "burnout" to you?

>>7913403
laziness

>>7913396
I’ve been drawing for 7 years and never improved.

>>7913402
so you've actually been drawing for 6 months, okay

>>7913403
For me the distinction between burnout and laziness is that when I'm burning out, I stop being able to understand things as easy. Learning becomes more foggy/frustrating and ideas stop flowing as freely. It feels like I'm trying to squeeze water out of a dry sponge. If I push through that, it feels like I'm trying to squeeze it out of a rock, and then I just burnout completely and quit for like 2 or 3 months.

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>>7913403
Unusual fatigue, physical pain, and dread amongst a few things. These are things I didn't experience until after burning out.

>Unusual Fatigue
Getting tired of drawing way too early. Like drawing for an hour and already extremely tired, often having to take multiple naps just to draw for a few hours. If I force myself I almost pass out from fatigue.

>Physical Pain
Unresolved neck pain and that weird issue where it feels like someone is stabbing me in the shoulder blade. The odd part is that it's the OPPOSITE to my drawing arm. I still get it once in a while nowadays but it feels a little less painful now. Maybe I got used to it or the effects of burnout have dimished.

>Dread
Sometimes I loathe sitting down to draw. It's abnormal because even doing shit I hate doing I don't get the same feeling. If gone unchecked, I fall into depression and have to take a few days off to recover.

All of these appeared AFTER burnout, not before. I never got depressed before burning out. I always thought depression was just faggot shit for whiny babies until I experienced it myself after burning out. It's quite literally the worst thing that can happen to you. If you've never experienced it, consider yourself lucky.

So you stoped, and started over and over for 7 years, what's the difference now?

>>7913412
tl;dr but cute bug knight girl

>>7913413
He's writing more essays than drawings so this time it's going to work

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>>7913414
Thanks!
>burnout == (not limited to) unusual fatigue, physical pain, and dread/depression

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>>7913418
I think I wrote just as much before.

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Been seeing a building on my way to work I find very beautiful in the spring sunlight. Gave it a shot.

>>7912989
Actually, THIS is my favourite thing I’ve seen you post.

>>7913001
Really cool

>>7913059
Impressed and jealous. Colours intimidate me.

>>7913222
Fun choice of pose, keep at it.

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not the deer man

>>7913421
It's like a schizo rambling journal, with some drawings on it

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>>7913425
Hmm...
Almost like it reminds me of someone in particular...

>>7913421
It's giving the same aura as pawell... Are you...

The /ic/ davinci... THE /IC/ messiah!

>>7913422
I hope you stood in front of this random person's goybox while drawing this instead of cheating and using a photo from your phone.

OH MY GOD DID HE RISE FROM THE DEAD ON EASTER? LMFAOO
>>7913428
>>7913430

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Here is the result of my third oil painting.
I think I am getting the hang of it. Definitely different from watercolor.

>>7913422
I like the drawing a lot.

>>7913432
>>7913428
they have the same autistic sense of humor it's insane that they're different people

>>7913431

I got a coffee and stared at it for 20 minutes planning it and then a woman parked in front of the building beside and looked at me funny. Then I got nervous and took pics and walked away. Sorry to disappoint.

>>7913255
the book i'm reading argues that reliance on contours to play shadow shapes will muddy the difference between cast and form shadows. i don't know if i believe that, but i'm trying to follow the process in the book closely before i go and try to do my own thing

>>7913452
place*

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>>7913451 #
>>7913450 #
Very cool

>>7913412 #
This too

>>7913307 #
Cute bottoms with yaoi hands are underrated desu.

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Is it normal to hate everything you make. does it get better as you learn more?

>>7913039
This one's awesome, good job.

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>>7913463
Yes.
Yes.

>>7913243
Gooning to mid tier generic anime girls on danbooru = some appreciation for art

>>7913463
As you learn more you will hate your stuff more

>>7913463
It will get better then it will get worse, then it will get better and then worse again. But eventually the peaks and valleys will even out.

>>7913469
i dont like how u make the lil fox sexy like that

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>>7913479
That was completely unintentional. I goon to Pokemon, but moreso to this fucker than the animals.

>>7913474
YIPPIE can't wait for the apathy.

>>7913469
It's comforting that good artists can hate their art too thx bro

>>7913481
The poke boys butts are so bullyable

>>7913479
They made the fox sexy in the source material

>>7913490
God I love them so much wowie zowies.

>>7913120
rule of thumb, if the still life looks good, it's not mine
>>7912920
how do I paint like this

why this sticky don't work? https://hackmd.io/7k0XRnIQR6SValR77TDfZw?view

>>7913502
You're too casual to access the hardcore stinky, sorry.

>>7913470
Technically yes that's my argument lol. In however base a form they are still offering their life energy to visual art

>>7913474
I actually hope this is true. You don't even have to look past this thread to see what happens when your hand gets ahead of your eye

>>7913505
ok faggot

>>7913501
I don't know, I was just trying things out while keeping in mind the concepts from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZknWKTpc90 >>>/i/829958
you can see that the first attempt is very rough, but it gave me enough experience to make some improvement by the second one.

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>>7912791

i colored this. normally i do pixel arts so i wanted to try my hand at actual painting.

So this whole thing is like working out, right?
Right exercises, right schedule, right volume and right diet (mindset) will give me gains, yes?

>>7913527
I think pixel art gave you a good grasp on colors and effects. The breastplate is done simply but it is convincingly metallic. The leg armor, is less so, you'd have to depict how a metallic cylinder reflects light. But overall, I dig it. Is the lineart also yours?

>>7913537
Pretty much.
There's a lot of parallels between getting jacked and becoming good at art. And the more you do both, the more you'll find, and even the parallels themselves will be pretty personal to you because both depend on your outlook on the activity you're doing and your goals.

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>>7913537
no

>>7913537
what are the "right exercises"

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>>7913537
That's how I take it in pretty much a 1:1. Which is why I cringe whenever I see:
>"THIS SIMPLE TRICK WILL MAKE YOUR ART GO BEGINNER TO PRO++"

There are no shortcuts, work smart, work hard.

>>7913502
It had some resources idk why it not working probably OP did something and forgot to fix it.

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lotta fun sketchin lads with the round PS brush

>>7913562
I really dig that top right one.
Arguably the simplest silhouette but it just werks

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>>7913560
its all tricks and shortcutes

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>>7913564
yeah at the end i was really getting the grip of the sketching kek
honestly drawing warhammer stuff is really really cool and fun, though i need to learn more about cool poses and cool anatomy stuff, i really wanna git gud at that
there's this guy called Ccrawler (pic) that draws really cool shit and is my fuel for drawing and getting gud