oh boy did you just open a pandora's box
tl dr: nobody here knows and you're best off just ignoring everything below this post and coming up with whatever routine makes sense to you
>I am improving but just barely.
this will always be the case and it's just how it is I'm afraid

>>7918612
>he said nothing

>>7918613
That's the best thing to say.

>>7918610
there is no right way, it's an art.
many instructors and methods just won't work for you personally, you have to experiment and find what you like and what suits you goal. the path you should have taken is obvious in hindsight, but you would not have known the correct path unless you reach multiple dead ends.
having a clear goal is very important
if you wanna draw anime girls then getting some experience trying to draw that will inform you on what you need to work on and focus your practice around that.
doing little projects of finished pieces and applying what you've learned helps a lot too.

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>>7918614
>so ugh, how to get >>>/fit/? any good routines
>it depends on who you are bro i nor anyone else could give you an answer bro theres no generic starter routines you can expand on or anything like that bro just lift bro

>>7918617
but desu at higher stage obivously it depends but now i just wanna know general perspective and anatomical shit, like the bare basics and thats what the routine question is for

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dont be stupid. why do you want to do art? what is your goal? then do everything you need to achieve that goal. how is it so hard for you people to apply simple logic? it's like saying i want to become a doctor! but not specifying what kind of doctor at all.

>>7918638
>just do it bro
pyw and tell me your journey.

>>7918610
>he drew monstrosity first before nailing down the basics of drawing convincing human characters

yeah it's over for you

>b-but I'm not interested in drawing humans

lmfao

>be me
>Thought about making the exact same thread, see ops thread
>No one gives him a straight answer and it's just a waste of time
Thanks for making me reconsider asking /ic/ about art

>>7918683
Thanks for leaving this post instead, this board couldn't have possibly survived without any kind of input from your end.

>>7918679
who are you quoting? i asked you, what the fuck is your goal? are you just chasing clout? you will never be an artist of any sort. do you want to make a comic? you dont even have to be particularly good to make a comic, you can substitute a lot of shitty art with witty or interesting writing depending on the genre. do you want to be a portraitist? oh i get it, you just want social media attention and money from your art. there is better, easier ways to earn money, but you clearly dont want that either.

what the fuck is it that you want?
>pyw
you first, no-draw

>>7918703
i wanna make a VN and draw monsters ngl
thus the monster guy in OP.Thats kinda my work but i could do better i guess but lets see your work first bud

Why is everyone here so agressive like someone rubbed lemon juice and salt on their balls

>>7918742
Welcome to /ic/

>>7918723
so draw monsters from other artists and animals as well. draw teeth, draw burn victims, draw amputees, draw discovered rotten bodies, draw cut up bodies, draw fentanyl zombies, draw disgusting homeless people. you know what you have to do, you just arent doing it. get a bunch of reference material, then quit the internet and dont come back till youre done.

>>7918752
So i just draw them to life? When should i stop and move on to another piece? I know demanding perfection is not going to work.

>>7918610
Define goal.
Choose book that gives you tools to pursue goal

Everyday:
Do 30 mins of drawing diagrams, exercises and note taking on book.
Do 30 mins of study of reference/masterwork using what you've learned from book
Do an hour of a project of your choosing, something that relates to goal.
Reflect and apply what you know you have to

>>7918610
Use the Cognitive Method (observe a reference, then put it away and draw from memory, then pull out the reference and draw while looking at it) in combination with the Iterative Method (recall your subject from memory and draw without a reference before using references).

Use the Shrimp Method in order to actually USE references (find references, then break them down into shapes and forms).

Do gesture studies, the envelope method, and blind contours to get better at drawing what you see. Do these as warmups, they're like what stretching is for a gym workout.

You should spend 30-90 minutes every other day drawing. If you spend more than 90 minutes, give yourself a twenty minute break every 90 minutes.

Here's my routine:

15 minutes:
>gesture studies
>blind contours
>envelope method

15-90 minutes
>Iterative Method: draw from memory
>Shrimp Method: find and use references
>Cognitive Method: put references away, then draw from memory, then look at references while drawing

The only things you should ever grind are lines and shapes and forms when you're first starting out.

>>7919102
You can pretty much draw ANYTHING you want if you use these three methods.

>draw a bunny from memory
>then grab a bunch of photos of bunnies to observe, trace, and break down into shapes and forms
>now put the bunnies away and draw from memory
>take out the bunnies and draw while looking at them

Drawing is "easy" when you realize that it's mostly about building a visual library in your mind, except you have to effectively copy the visuals into your head, and then carve out what you've copied onto paper while still preserving the visuals as 3D forms.

Most people don't really know the effective way to draw because the vast majority of artists are dyslexic/have dyscalculia or OCD. They're born with better 3D thinking skills when compared to other people, and due to how their brains are wired, they usually don't end up effectively trained to be able to teach someone else what is second nature to them.

It's like the tortoise and hare, except the tortoise (us) can actually run a fucking marathon and even exceed the hare if he puts in the work. And now you have the tools to do so.

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>>7919106
>>Drawing is "easy" when you realize that it's mostly about building a visual library in your mind
yeah, its almost like studying for a test or learning a language or whatnot. its almost like... it takes work and time being spent? how weird. yeah, some people learn faster, some slower, just means you have to put more time into learning and doing instead of complaining and being frustrated. i could teach chris-chan to draw if i were allowed to chastise him, flogging, internet deprivation, starving etc till he learns his place at the grindstone. all it takes is the proper motivation.

>>7919150
A lot of people really don't want to admit that drawing is like any kind of craft or skill: you have to work hard (and work smart) before you play hard.

There are far too many /begs/ who think they'll magically become great artists by just meandering without an effective plan in place - either by not drawing enough or by just drawing a lot of stuff disconnectedly.

The kind of autist who improves at drawing is the guy who studiously draws for a decent amount every day, and then dedicates his free time (breaks, weekends, etc) to it. You will never improve at drawing if you only draw for several hours once a day, or if you "just draw" all the time.

>>7919163
if schools would teach more arts/music and whatnot even at the lowest level, we wouldnt have this mythical air around the arts. it used to be more commonplace, but now theyre mostly getting drilled into become wage cage husks or go into debt for a meme degree, only to become wage cage husks again.

>>7919167
Be the change you want to see in the world, anon. Schools are never gonna get more funding for arts programs, so it's our responsibility to spread the practical method and shatter the illusion. I work at a school and whenever the kids have to do art for an assignment, I don't hesitate to teach them what they need to do in order to get better.

>>7919167
my highschool had an arts program but I usually just snoozes it off and only gotten into art recently because the character i wanna jerk off to have 0 porn