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>>50669648
Yes. Unironically. EoSD's gameplay sucks donkey dick. I only like it because I want to break Flandre's hymen.

>>50669648
Would you play Touhou if there was no music in the game? If there were no girls? No backgrounds? No story, no personalities, however weak you might think they are or not?
If Touhou was just a generic bullet hell game, would you play it? I wouldn't. The gameplay itself isn't the main attraction about Touhou.

>>50669736
Yes, I absolutely would. I love bullet hells for their gameplay.

>>50669648
I have sailed and searched the seven seas and still couldn't find the person OP is quoting

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>>50669736
I got into Touhou because of all those things, but I now stay with Touhou pretty much just because of the gameplay.

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>>50669765
All the other elements still serve to make up the experience whole and I enjoy them as much as ever of course, but people who claim that the gameplay is secondary just come off as bitter over simply not being able to enjoy shmups.
That's fine if it's not your genre, but it doesn't stop Touhou from having genuinely great gameplay in most of its entries. There wouldn't be people who spend hundreds, up to thousands of hours grinding clears/score/whatever if they just liked the music and got off to the characters.
That being said, EoSD is kind of lame, yeah.

>>50669765
I'm pretty much the same.
One thing that's pretty cool is after playing all these other shmups, I can recognize and appreciate differences between them.
I would say that's kind of the appeal of Touhou, it just does it's own thing.
Well, that and the fanworks are pretty big part of the appeal for most as well.

>>50669648
The porn is.

EoSD is the kind of game you come to appreciate once you've gone through the rest. I wouldn't say it's in the highest tier of Touhou games, probably a low A or high B. Don't care for a lot of the game's soundtrack (sacrilegious, I know) but it has some nice bullet dodging with sprinkles of RNG and later into the series you'll find a lot of gimmicks let you sort of work around dodging much meaner patterns. I still liked WBaWC and UM and I loved FW. This is all to say that EoSD is pretty "boring" in a sense, seeing as there's no gimmick to grind in the early stages like in LoLK or DDC, but I consider EoSD a "pseudo PC-98" game. Just like those, there's no visible hitbox, and the game serves as a transition to Windows. I happen to prefer MS as a game.
TL;DR EoSD is decent fun once you recognize why, but it still isn't the peak of the series. Of course if one dislikes the gameplay of shmups but claims to be a Touhou fan I will look at them differently.

EoSD is my favorite game in the series and by far the one I return to most, mostly because of the gameplay. I do admit familiarity is a major factor though.

I like that scoring doesn't involve a ton of weird bullshit like meter management. Graze is a god tier mechanic so it gets a pass for modifying your score at the end of spellcards, and really isn't complicated at all anyway. Everything else about score is clear cut with enough risk/reward to be satisfying while still feeling like a shmup. I respect the inventiveness of later games but EoSD has the right balance that lets me focus on the bullets and core game, to me the scoring systems of later games detract from the...I guess purity, for lack of a better word, of playing a shmup.

This anon >>50669950 brings up a good point about the amount of RNG in the game. It keeps things interesting but almost never feels like bullshit. Knowing 'the solution' isn't enough, you always have to play the game. This is true for almost all of the series but the balance of it in EoSD feels right to me.

With 20 games plus spinoffs I totally understand the desire to shake things up and add new mechanics and rules in new games, for each new game to have a gimmick of some sort. But I really, really like EoSD for just being the basics and doing them well. Rather than feeling simple, it feels to me like the game doesn't have the bothersome clutter that shows up elsewhere. I mentioned this about scoring but many games do it even with just 1cc gameplay stuff (UFO for example).

If I spent more time with MS I could end up liking that one more, or less, I'd have to spend more time with it to know. That's the only one I'd expect to ever topple EoSD for me though, since the two are rather similar. And with EoSD I have a personal connection and history to the game, so that isn't likely.

>he came here from the /vr/ thread

>>50669648
schmups require a certain kind of autism as a skill based high focus game. you play the games if you enjoy the thrill of beating something hard and improving. unless you're playing on easy or very good you probably won't even be able to enjoy the overall aesthetics of everything, and most of the music and art from in game doesn't even match the fan made stuff anyways.

>>50669736
would play without music story and presonality
wouldn't without girls and backgrounds

>>50671540
>backgrounds
The backgrounds are just random pictures zun found though...

>>50669736
What do you think is a generic bullet hell?
Because music is an important part of any bullet hell

>>50671577
I'm sure he means stage backgrounds, not spells.

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>>50669736
Touhou but it's just a hitbox dodging bullets would probably be fun but awkward.
Also what do you mean by generic bullet hell? They all pretty much have at least some attempt at music and backgrounds and all that other stuff. Touhou is not the only shmup with girls in it.

>>50669648
I play Souls game purely for their aesthetic and vibes.

>>50674381
Right, to me generic shmup means no focus mechanic and generic military hardware for the player and enemies.
I like the genre though so even generic shmups are usually fun so long as they're not an absolute cakewalk.

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>>50673367
Wut?! Haven't seen anyone saying this in a long time. Too long...
Thx Anon, really. But I guess a lot of people who like shitposting about games don't get how you get gameplay feedback with visuals and audio.

>>50674381
I assume it's supposed to mean a spaceship/sci-fi bullet hell. And I think that last question was not including the previous ones since I doubt he's thinking about something like Danmakun (well, maybe with his first line of questions he did)

>>50674388
Fair point as long as you're enjoying it. Many games have nice vibes and you just wander around appreciating the world the devs have made.
Sometimes it feels as if most vidya related talk is from people who don't even play the games. Can get hilarious when people larp as players, but it's also kinda sad

>>50674637
I've heard pic related is a game, does someone know how it's called?

>>50680177
白い弾幕くん

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>>50680438
Very nice, thanks.

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>>50674637
>>50680438
NTA but thank you too, this is a really interesting concept and one of the most minimalist games I've ever played

>>50669648
...b-but that's the majority of brainlet video game fans a a-non...

>>50682994
I feel like it's only in the Touhou community where you have to argue with people that actually fucking playing the games is important to being a genuine fan.

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i dont know which other thread you'd be in
so i'll post here

you always loved playing 2hu so it fits

anyways my week was fine
ive thought about you a lot recently
anyhow, im just afraid you dont even check here anymore. im scared of that
i know you told me you wouldnt come here anymore but i saw you around some time ago so it made me get hopeful again
i hope you had a nice week. i hope you had fun
i hope we can talk again soon
ill be waiting for you, like always

if anyone saw madokanon ( the turkish anon if you recognie him as that) around please tell me. im scared now
please dont be gone im sorry

sorry

heard he roped

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>>50683107
nigga what we talked for like a single week get over it

thats not you

>>50674637
>Sometimes it feels as if most vidya related talk is from people who don't even play the games.
I'd say aesthetics and vibes can go a long way in getting someone who wouldn't normally enjoy hard games (like me because I'm bad at video games) into pushing on and actually finishing the game. That was me with Touhou games too. I got into it from the arranges so there was always that desire to hear the original song in its original context, even if I didn't always make it since unlike with Souls games, I can't just make up for poor hand eye coordination with overpowered equipment.

>>50669648
>>gameplay isn't the top priority for a video game's community
Do you know how little that it narrows it down?! Sometimes it's not even a priority at all!
Does the quoted person not know about "OC donnut steal". Infamous for people saying "game suck but story is le really goood!" since it started developing a story.
Or Dating Emblem! Because who doesn't want a half assed dating sim in your SRPG interrupting your battles!
I guess he must be too young to know that, or any of the games that "aged poorly", used graphics as a selling point and all those repetitive aru pee jees.
But if he was young he would at least know about gacha...
I think I still don't know what the gameplay of a single gacha is like...
Must be also a person too pure to know about cinematic games...

Luckily we moved from the old formula of better graphics means better games to....
idk people obsessing over characters and telling other people what's wrong and what's right I guess...
"vidya communities" are just depressing sometimes.

>>50683014
How was it again?
"Huge Earthbound Fan Excited to Play It for First Time"
The Purse Owner and Silent Hill 2 edits also seem to be scarily close to the truth.
idk I guess it's mostly just people getting autistic about pretending to know about Japanese games(RPGs especially) or VNs for whatever reason.
And fighting games with people obsessing only about which characters appear and which don't.
And 40k for some reason... everyone complaining about lorefag pseuds and non-players there. Just like 2hu!

This post got out of hand...
idk enjoy games how the fuck you want or just enjoy the fandom or just jerk it to porn.
But I'm tired of people talking about what games are better or worse to just see that they haven't even beaten them in the easiest way possible.

>>50683949
Hear, hear! Characterfags and storyfags have ruined discourse around video games and other forms of entertainment, but it's not their fault. Devs who made moviegames are to blame, as well as video essayists.

>>50683209
Agreed. I also think arcade style games are also less popular because you (usually) can't just get OP to compensate for skill.
Of course figuring out op combos can be also fun on itself in a more puzzle game way.
But vibes are also nice. First time playing DS just every now and then started looking at the scenery. Some games like Yume Nikki don't have hard gameplay but you can vibe being lost in that world.
>was always that desire to hear the original song in its original context,
Respect. I also try to always hear every song in game first.

>>50683014
Can't blame you for not getting into /v/ or similar places but it's quite awful in a lot of places I fear.
Sure probably Touhou is on of the worst cases, but at least that makes people make an effort to have game focused discussion separately from everything else.... Usually.

>>50684660
polshit too imo. Which turns every story/character talk into a waste of time.
But other things with games also came from the companies making the games themselves.

>>50669736
I wouldn't play shmups like DDP or Batrider if it wasn't for the music and art
Games are complete packages

>>50669721
If we're all being honest, everyone does.

>>50669648
yes you right OP, video games comunities are at the end comunities and comunities are driven by identities not by gameplay mechanics

this is not the same as saying gameplay mechanics are not important for a game...

you can have souls games where its comunity is driven by not only the gameplays but its dificilt sayings

or the nintenderos that defend its console with all its policies even then they know are objectively not the best of the market, they still keep in the comunity because of identity not because of nintendo having the best gameplays or osts

as far as you found something that conects with you and reinforce your personality you would keep there, to reaffirm your weak bias...

just gonna ask, would it had been EoSD be succesful if ZUN would had decided to keep it as the PC 98 games?? same plot music castle... but the gameplay is the same of that rolling ball

>>50680438
This is great. Do people still make patterns for it? Or where to find stuff for BulletML?

Which games have the highest skill ceilings with minimal graphics, music, story, or any of that baggage?

>>50703047
Quake PvP comes to mind for me.

Why are /v/niggers still here?

>>50703842
all of true /jp/ left. this board has been just the crossies since january

>>50703855
what the fuck happened? and why is there currently 11 threads from the same idolshit general on the board?

>>50703855
Seems like it.
Only "jp"/hu/ remains...
Besides that a some horny people and the usual pseuds I guess.
A few other 2hu fags might still be here...
I honestly wonder why I'm still here.
>>50705793
Surprising how they aren't just making more threads or bumping other threads.
Guess most people can't go without images.

Does Story of Eastern Wonderland have a delay for using the bomb? Because when I play that game there's times when I mashing the bomb key and it doesn't go off in time to save me.

>>50709181
Not really a delay but rather no deathbomb, so it feels like there's delay. But there could be some input/emulator delay.
It's even in the game files:
https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Story_of_Eastern_Wonderland/Translation/Other
>In other words, if you die despite pressing the bomb, you died between the duration of your brain signal to your finger action.

>>50705793
The otaku paradigm has unfortunately shifted. The culture is now about idols, vtubers, and gacha games.

>>50709181
What emulator are you using?

>>50710736
Nekoproject 21

>>50711278
I suggest trying out 21/W, it's the best one I've tried (among the modern ones) in terms of input lag, especially if you play in fullscreen mode.
You can get it here, or from the touhou98 pack if you want it preconfigured.
https://simk98.github.io/np21w/

>>50669648
Jokes on you, if you strip everything but the gameplay from all shmups including 2hu; I'd still pick 2hu over most of them.

>EoSD's gameplay sucks donkey dick.
Holy niggerbabble, EoSD is great when you don't have touhoufags complaining about how books is the Antichrist and how gimmicks are the saviors of shmups