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love me raifu

>>64803928
That a Ruskoid or a Chinkoid?

Fellas I just traded a 1963 Yugo M57 for a 1953 Romanian M44, pretty happy to finally have one. The bore, bolt, and receiver are all in pretty good shape, and I must say the trigger is crisper& the bolt is much smoother than my 1928 91/30. Anyhow - some would-be bubba sanded the absolute hell out of the stock for some ungodly reason.
For that reason I wanted to get this particular carbine for the purpose of *tastefully* sporterizing it. Years ago I saw a youtube video where a guy rechambered a beater Mosin in 45-70 and managed to redo the stock in such a way that maintained the original look as much as possible. As far as I remember the guy just replaced the barrel, slightly modified the bolt face, and beat out the magazine walls. I've always wanted to recreate that because I think it would be a fantastic hunting rifle for deer and hogs down here in GA where the woods are thick and the shots are close.
Anybody know where would be the best place to look for a suitable 45-70 barrel to kick off this project?

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>>64806408
Looks to be a Russian refurb given the color of the bolt.

>>64806826
Well, anyone that makes barrel blanks. I know the guy you're talking about and he turned a 45-70 blank on a lathe to get the profile and thread pitch he needed to put it in the receiver. Funny, I also looked into doing something similar recently with a nugget receiver or one of those navy arms barreled actions on Sarco that already have 45-70 barrels in them. Instead I bought a husqvarna 45-70 moose gun from simpsonltd.

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Has anyone here ever collected a rifle by different stock wood types? I read on the M.95s that a multitude of wood species (~17 iirc) were trialed and used on them including walnut, elm, maple, beech, birch, etc. I think that would make for a neat collection.

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>>64803876
>post your crests
okay

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Also to that Anon who got one of those 1922 Hotchkiss kits, I got you beat fren.

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and I got one of the armorers chests and feedstrip loaders.

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>>64808317
I bought this M91/59 (middle) because the finger grooves in the stock where thinner than a standard Mosin stock, and it reminded me of my Wz. 48 with the wood grain. Still don't really know what the differences are.

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>>64809141
It looks like the stock got heavily sanded at one point; notice how shallow the scallop behind the lower barrel band is.

>>64809096
>>64809089
Goddamn dude, already got the receiver halves coming or something?

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Are there any mil surps where you can apply a scope without drilling into the gone? I know the mas 49/56 has a rail for placing a scope but my state has banned owning grenade launchers.

>>64809812
Quite a few non drill mounts just have you punch the rear sight out and mount a scope rail attached to it

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Has anyone gotten one of the repro FN49 stocks from Libtery Tree? I have an Egyptian model that has bad cracking in the finger groove area and was wondering how theirs were.

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>>64810113
Gotta be better than the shitty century wood on mine. You're talking about the ones they think were made in Italy right?

>>64809812
Why would you even want a scope on a milsurp? Most have at least acceptable iron sights, and most are 4-5 MOA guns at best.

>>64810607
Yeah, I was concerned because they were showing them having cracks at the back of the stock on the page. Yet when I emailed them about a stock they were selling on gunbroker they said 'no, the ones on our site are in good shape'.

>>64810677
I'd give it a spin, Egypt stocks are getting more scarce than the other variants it seems and those all have recoil lugs. Mine happens to be cut for a recoil lug for reasons unknown so I'm going belgian, I think it's specific to the Eagle receivers.

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Wrong thread to ask if anybody has any info on the lining of M.82 Dutch NBC parkas? I understand it’s a three-layer system, just want to know if it’s activated charcoal, some kind of foam catchment that’ll hold tons of water, or some weird proprietary material that’ll give me instant ass-cancer as soon as I break into it with shears
Basically want to know if this thing is worth any actual field time if I sew on some pockets, or if it’s too narrow in its intended use against NBC
I would ask /gq/ but why would you ever ask them anything if you wanted a helpful answer

>>64810700
Honestly I was hoping to get the stock so mine would sell a little better. I don't wanna take the chance on replacing a cracked stock..wih a cracked stock. I may just sell it as is. Mine is a crown receiver btw.

>>64810787
Eh even cracked you'll probably get $1k+ if the rest is good condition. They're pretty stupid cost now.

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>>64809089
>>64809096
Very nice. I'm still not sold on the aircraft sight though.
>armorers chests
What?
*googles it*
Oh damn anon that's awesome. Post some pics!
>feedstrip loaders
I got those too, they're called thumbs.

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This is at an auction near me and I cannot tell what the 1st character of the serial number is. It kind of looks like a cursive J, and also looks like a cursive S. But it can’t be a J because supposedly the serial numbers for J stopped at like 25k.

Fucking French.

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>>64811268
Replying to myself. Maybe it’s a P? Because the serial numbers didn’t go to S. Idk.

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My Albanian has been featured here before, but we can use some pics of interesting guns

>>64810729
I used to wear an army rain suit that looked like that, wore it when using the pressure washer

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>>64811923
>but we can use some pics of interesting guns
here's my big, heavy brick

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>>64810856
My lighting is garbage right now, but here's a few from when I was cleaning it when I first got it.

>>64812060
OK

>>64812086
What are you planning to do with all those parts? Build up more of Hotchkisses? Just collecting gunsmith stuff?

>>64810641
NTA but it's fun to use a scope on a milsurp gun when sniper variants are 10x the cost.

I just ordered a Century Portuguese M937A mauser for $870 shipped what am I in for?

>>64819336
>what am I in for?
Probably a Portuguese M937A Mauser

>>64803876
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8TCxtl1qwE
There are deranged people who scream on the Internet they are going to snap and commit a mass shooting. The FBI will not act until it is too late, then we hear "he was on our radar" as has happened countless times. It is shameful we are not protected.

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>>64819380
>Probably a Portuguese M937A Mauser
lel

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>>64803876
>>64808373
what crests?

>>64819380
>>64819421
You so funny you so funny!

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>>64819612
I've got hearing damage from shooting guns, I think OP said breasts.

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God, I can't stop looking at Lee-Enfields. Are there any other of sources for .303 British aside from the usual PPU and S&B?

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>>64819612
>>64808373
TFW your rarest crests are no crests

>>64820439
>Are there any other of sources for .303 British aside from the usual PPU and S&B?
https://max-arms.com/product/303-british-hxp-ammo/
I should buy more.

>>64820439
Still plenty of hxp bandoliers floating around.

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>>64820485
OG Brazilian 1894 crest coming through

>>64820485
>TFW your rarest crests are no crests
I have the same problem.

>https://max-arms.com/product/303-british-hxp-ammo/
>I should buy more.
You should, I just placed an order with a CS rep and they told me they are very close to being out of stock.

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>>64820772
>Brazilian 1894
Technically qualifies as an American service rifle.

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>>64820439
Apex are selling Winchester 303, but you gotta pay tax and shipping.

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>>64820853
>You should, I just placed an order with a CS rep and they told me they are very close to being out
LMAO the price just went up 6 cents.

>>64822741
>1941
>Winchester
The Greek stuff is by far the better buy.

Anyone else doing some coonfingering at show of shows? I can see you beardos in alpenflauge with strollers full of surp.

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Can anyone explain what this marking on this No.4 Mk1 is? It just sold for $950 which seems crazy for a run of the mill No.4 Mk1 unless this added some weird value to the rifle.

>>64824602
That rifle was air dropped to the French Resistance during the war. The PP serial number was added by the French government after the war.

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Crest posting

>>64824602
Should have asked the buyer you pleb

A 1937 re-arsensal matched Tula 91/30 with sniper barrel for $350, should I send it? It does have century arms billboard import mark on the shank.

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took the newest thing out to the property today. 1915 Danzig G98. Working on clearing the space some more for the dedicated surp shooting range.

>>64824775
>That rifle was air dropped to the French Resistance during the war. The PP serial number was added by the French government after the war.
Thanks anon, di not know that there were French used Lee Enfields. That's pretty neat.
>>64824862
>Should have asked the buyer you pleb
Was watching it online, no idea who bought it.

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Bought a type 38 carbine the other day. Probably over paid a little but it had the mum on it.

are C96 just impossible to find under $2k now?

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>>64826269
Wtf is with that stock? I don't see the dust cover cleanout notch.

That has to be some Chinese replacement stock or someone managed to shove that into a trainer stock.

Don't buy an Arisaka just for the mum. You will always be burned lol. So many turds out there

t. some guy with like 70 Arisakas

>>64826548
Mauser ones are probably gonna be really hard but you could always get an Astra 900 for like $1200

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>>64825430
>Working on clearing the space some more for the dedicated surp shooting range.
It's going to take you a long time with just the Gew.98; have you considered getting a saw(back)?

>>64803876
How is this nigga gonna have goggles and no gloves? I'd die if I went skiing without gloves. I guess I'm just a bitch.

>>64827210
It's probably not that cold; the goggles are to keep from being snow-blinded.

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>>64819336
Mine needed a good cleaning, and I needed a cross bolt nut and a new butt plate and screws. But overall it’s in decent shape and shoots fine. I made sure to order one with a matching bayonet, because I wanted 1 rifle in my collection with a matching bayonet.

>>64825053
Unfortunately that seems to be about the going rate for common 91/30s these days. Due to the fact it’s a Tula and I don’t have a Tula 91/30, I’d probably buy it if I saw it in my LGS.

>>64827155
I will take that under consideration. There is a rotting tree between where the range will go and the backstop that we'll probably chew thru with funny stuff though

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Not a gun but this is the best thread to post this. I got this as a turbo steal for 250 burgerbucks. There are maybe 6 or 7 others you can find being sold online ever, and very few were ever made. It is a Sabre, made around the turn of the 20th century. As a bit of a game before i spaghetti dump unannounced, can any of you tell me what is unusual about the grip and what potential reason they have done this for? I will give you a hint, it was done to make one extremely specific use case more effective.

>>64827210
>>64827266
Regrettably had to search reddit for a source and their caption is "A New Zealand sentry at the Ninth Army Ski School in Lebanon, 29 April 1942."

1. I didnt know Lebanon even got snow, flares and white phosphorous, yeah, but just huh.
2. Fucking end of April apparently so I don't think his kit is exactly ready for the Talvisota

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Reminder to actually go shoot your guns.

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you dont really need more
Fr8/High Power

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>>64830074
oopsie wrong pic, thats my climate change rose from december instead of a snow man in my yard

picrel is a do it all with cheap surp setup: fun shooting, (basic) collecting, hunting what can be hunted till 100 with 308, home defence from shady homies

does anyone have any earthly guess on when or if Apex might get more Yugo M48 bolts?

What's the most you've ever spent on a surp? I've been saving for a surp for a while that will easily be my most expensive if I get lucky.

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>>64831002
What you saving up for? most ive spent on a single thing was 4.5k.

>>64831002
$6k maybe. It was a smoking deal at that price.

>>64831014
>What you saving up for? most ive spent on a single thing was 4.5k.
Either a Gewehr 41 or a Gewehr 43.
>>64831061
>$6k maybe. It was a smoking deal at that price.
Damn, what was it to be a smoking deal at $6k? A transferable MG?

>>64831002
2 grand on a rhodie l1a1, enfield production

>>64831014
I spent $2400 on an all matching Kongsberg m1914, it’s a beautiful gun.

>>64831002
Gewehr 43 for $3800 is my most expensive gun

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>>64831014
The ol' one grand rand

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>>64829164
Alright no one wanted to play, that's ok. Anyways, this has a backwards canted grip which I thought would be obvious from the orientation of the photo. If a grip is not straight, then it will generally curve inwards towards the pommel. Why did the Eyetalians do this one differently? Because when cavalry charges with the goal of attacking dismounted infantry, you hold your arm up with your palm facing outwards. It feels goofy but as you stab, it pulls the blade to your outside allowing your wrist to move with it, break rigidity, and for the tip to withdraw from the victim. Palm inwards and it can break your wrist or make you lose the sword. Anyways it is very odd and unusual but gripping it in 1st position really does lock it into a bizarrely comfortable position, it's just that the only thing this sword CAN do is act as a hand-lance in 1st position. Now you know.

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So who feels like showing off new stuff.
Just picked up this Venezuelan beauty.

>>64809177
binland
besddd land

scandinavian rifles are like scandinavian women: absolutely superior.
conversions and home builds alike.
my swedes, finns and danes are competition materisl with factory smmo

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im blasting lots of ppu and s&b 7,62x54R (.310-.312) through this .308 slugged m28/30 bore.
its so crazy accurate.
am i retarded?
has anyone

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>>64833956
Sorry anon, I did read your post and tried to think of an answer, but I couldn’t come up with anything that even sounded like a bad guess, as I am not a sword/sabre guy.

Are m1 carbines cool or lame?
What are the pitfalls?
If i can afford a transferable M2 should I?

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Do any SKS owners here have experiences making the chinese 20 rounders work better? It can feed 20 rounds just fine but there is a weird friction that happens around 15+ rounds which makes it hard to load fully, I suspect the magazine is slightly too wide/bending under load and the rounds at the bottom are spreading horizontally.

I probably deserve it for buying one of these magazines anyway, I usually keep the original 10 rounder on anyway.

>>64827565
My port mauser arrives Thursday, they are fucking expensive but I've always wanted a large ring mauser straight from the importer, don't want to haggle with some boomer claiming "yep, this here was HITLER'S PERSONAL RIFLE!"

>>64835453
M1 Carbines are cool. M2s are cool. You WILL have a bad time with shitty mags but you'll eventually find the ones you like.

>>64835547
how are M1 mags still shitty after three quarters of a century?

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>>64835415
No it's alright man don't worry I wasn't actually expecting anyone to have an answer. There is ONE public forum thread and a few paragraphs in a book on these beyond their listings for sale. They are ludicrously rare and unknown. The turn of the century period has a lot of really cool sword designs all sort of converging.

The German 1888 (iirc) has my favorite hilt and grip, somewhere between an 1908/12 and an earlier one where you can still use your hand. Blade they used was a little anemic but slap a French 1854 or a British 1845 pattern or god help you, a Swedish 1893 with the 95cm broadsword blade and it'd be borderline perfect.

One went on auction late summer last year, I bid close to 2k on it, it went for over 3k. These are so fucking cool I really just want to handle one or get like a fucking softball as a mandrel and hammer steel around it to remake this guard because it fucks.

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>>64837657

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>>64834678
>am i retarded?
No, sometimes military surplus guns can be exceptionally accurate. My 98k is a tack driver.

>>64837132
Thtas not how something that was meant to be disposable works anon. they were ok 70 years ago and the passage of time is doing them 0 favors

>>64837959
Is that a capture/rearsenal?
The mix of features is perfect but I don't understand what production year would look like that.

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>>64834678
I do the same, though my 28/30 slugs at ~.310". I don't think there's any concern with swaging down copper lead-core .312" projectiles.

>>64838355
It’s a Russian captured rifle, the sight hood and cleaning rod are reproductions. The action & barrel are dot 1943. I don’t remember if the other parts have any identifying marks indicating where they came from, it’s in the back of my safe and I’m too lazy to dig it out tonight.
On a related note, was it really a good idea for the Russians to disassemble all these rifles and throw everything into bins, only to reassemble the guns as mix masters? What was the point of that when they could’ve just left them as-is?

>>64838664
That's how most countries did arsenal refurbishing.

>>64838664
>>64838714
1. communist countries created jobs by having people do useless work. just keep em busy.

2.lots of russian captured Germsn guns were stored shitty and moist, very often in the open.
thats why so many vopos, captured k98s etc. have a little surface pitting.
so they had to disassemble them to weed out really rusty parts.
force matching was a way to create more work again.
commie bullshit it was, mostly.
same for yugo mausers.

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Page 10 bump.

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Slower than usual so i'll spice things up
What specific or lesser known surp feel gives you the goosebumps (or a semi). We all the love the Garand Ping, but what other things bring you kinesthetic joy?

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>>64843510
I’m a simple man. I like the feel of a Mauser charger stripping rounds into the magazine.

>>64843510
The little ka-chunk I can feel when the rounds feed thru the tube in my Lebel. Also a close second "Ping" other than the garand for me is the little ping you get when ejecting a round from the Martini Henry.

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Recently purchased this for $125, how'd i do? Got done cleaning the rust off of this c96. First one I've owned, anything I should look out for? Serial nums match, interwar period

Purchased a new firing pin, recoil spring and firing pin spring for it

>>64841777
What is this? Reminds me of a fromerstop

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>>64843510
Me sometimes remove the follower from my k98 so i can obsessively cycle bolt repeatedly

>>64843510
Loading rounds one at a time in the Trapdoor Springfield brings me joy. I really need to load up some more ammo for it.

>>64844165
Pretty good. Not deal of the century or anything but I'd buy that. Always wanted a c96

>>64844377
get a vz 24 for that

Should i get a Norinco 54-1 or get a real Type 54 tokarev?

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mauser posting?

>>64844165
What do you wanna do with it? Assuming it works, you could sell it right now for 10x+ what you paid for it. If you wanna clean it up more even on the outside, #0000 steel wool is great at getting into weird parts. I use LSA with it and it gives everything a nice dark clear finish. It looks like it is in good shape overall but if you get annoyed by how inconsistent the finish is easy enough to do. Get a nice podcast, album, tv show, or just go outside in general for a few hours each evening if you want. Scratches towards the front wont polish out, dont go that hard, but especially getting in the recessed part on the side there above the trigger and then the front will really make all the lines crisp and strong. Ren Wax is a good protective but only if you don't handle it.

Those grips look too smooth to me but I'm not too up to date on C96 variations. Looks like it is walnut with some good flaming. Avoid tung oil, get some boiled linseed oil on it but it will take a LONG time to set properly. It won't be noticeable today or tomorrow or next year but if you keep this gun, a 2-3x coated BLO finish on walnut 30 years down the road is beautiful.

If you can get it disassembled or already see parts you want to clean more or even the wood grips, a once over with a soft bristled toothbrush, warm water, and dish soap is good. Works great for anywhere with finely machined textures at getting in there. If you dont mind polishing the transfer, brass brushes are a great soft cleaner for checkered parts as well but it will turn shit bronze until you brush it off. If you really really want to make the brass on the grip look nice, do about 70% water, 20% lemon juice, 10% dish soap in a mug, heat it in the microwave or somewhere else, and using q tips or a rag lightly polish the brass. You will get a beautiful rich old-gold to it.
>Sorry I know you meant more on the functionality part but I do a moderate amount of restoration work on really overlooked beat to shit stuff

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Went to a local auction where nearly everything went for astronomical prices. Some cool pieces there including some super rare guns but way outside of what I can afford. The Gewehr 41 I was saving up for went past my limit for $8125 including premium and the late war P38 I threw a bid one got outbid by some retired boomer.
>>64847143
I can get behind that. Still need a WWI Kar98 to go with my Gewehr 98.

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>>64847143
What about captured mauser posting?

>Inb4 why isn't you bayonet on your WZ29?
My Polish bayonet doesn't fit on any rifles, some Polack or Kraut beat the shit out of the pommel, and the button sticks. I hope I can take the button out and clean up it a bit in the summer.

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>>64803876
My CMP 1911 finally arrived, placed the order in May and forgot about it. I got a '44 Remington-Rand, it'll complement some of my rifles well. I also managed to fix my M1 rear sight, it was minute of man (not an exaggeration) but now its more like 3-4 MOA with ball ammo, so today was a good day. l
>>64803928
Gorgeous SKS, anon.
>>64847143
What a nice spread
>>64846893
What's the difference? An issued vs commercial export model?

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>>64831014
That picture always gets me.

Also, is the vz58 a milsurp or AK thread firearm?

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>>64844165
It’s an Astra 600. Where the hell did you get a C96 for $125?

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Good evening gentlemen

>>64848502
man that arisaka has seen some shit

>>64848574
Yeah its pretty banged up. The front sight ears are bent too, and there's a nick on the other side of the barrel, and a hairline crack going down the wrist of the stock. The M1 by contract looks nice but the stock is new.

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>>64847610

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>>64847143

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fuck off we are full

>>64847620
How long did it take them to ship it? I ordered mine on Jan 24th. My FFL still hasn't gotten it.

>>64849843
What's going on with the one left? Turkish conversion or something?

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I bought this yesterday from my local gun store for $300. she's a little rough but shoots like a dream.

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>>64850688
norwegian haer in thirty-oh-oh-six
its really cramped im here

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>>64850690
Nice. Would have been hard to pass up at that price. Any idea what year it was made based on the factory stamp and serial number?

>>64851313
based on the serial number it was made in 1969 at arsenal 26. from my research it was sent to Albanian as military aid.

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>>64847476
Thanks for the advice! I bought it in condition pictured from an estate sale, alr put ~4hrs in w/ steel wool for original picture. All internals are there in condition, all I've done here is CLP them so far

The grip screw seems like stripped, or uses an hour glass like design, not sure which way. I will try your methods and update this thread soon!

>>64848219
Never heard of the astra, imo looks more the a WW1 version than 2. Estate sale W

Are there any Ruby magazines that work with IS stamped pistols other than IS stamped magazines? I looked on the internet and couldn't find any that matched my pistol, and I was curious if there are any with known tolerances that are close enough to work fine

>>64829811
Damn where is that? You able to just walk around there with that and plink?

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Been rocking my E. German early 80s stichern pants out and about in the freezing weather the last month. Feels comfy.

>>64853551
NVA stuff is always very comfy. Durable, non constrictive, but also just slightly snug. Quite nice.

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>>64851324
Cool. I’ve always wondered how many Chinese SKS’ made in the 60s saw action in Vietnam.

Seeing your post made me check the serials on my 2 Chinese SKS’. Pic related is Factory 906 with a 1.7 million serial. The one in the photo that I used in my 1st reply is a factory 26 with a 4 digit serial and a “W” prefix, which according to research puts it at around 1960 I guess. Obviously went through a refurbishment at some point, but still retains a 1 piece gas tube.

The scope and mount were slapped on by the Chinese prior to import. It surprisingly holds zero.

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Anyone know why a FN49 Egyptian trigger housing would just have a stuck trigger when put inside a Belgian 30-06 stock? There's not a single thing I can see that's rubbing against the stock. Hammer and safety move freely, trigger just won't.

>>64854362
I know type 56 ID can be a bit tricky, but im not sure if you have a letter series sks. Dead giveaway is the spiker, factory 26 didnt do that until post 1964. Your rear sling swivel is at the bottom of the stock, which they switched to that in '66. I cant tell from the picture, but if you have a short barrel lug instead of long, they changed to that in '65. You still have a carrier lightening cut and 1 piece gas tube, so thats pre '67. If I had to bet, yours is from '66. What's confusing is your claim of a 4 digit serial with a prefix. The only thing I can think of is that its a letter series receiver with non-matching parts.

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1945 Nagant and 1978 Bulgarian Makarov

>>64854829
damn nwa clean off that oil
v yummy tho don't you dare replace those grips

>>64854404
I fingered this out, safety was being shoved against it.

>>64851689
Damn man, I see why it was going for $125. Cleaned up great. Make sure to get a stock for optimal larping.

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>>64854539
Yeah even if it is an early serial letter series it obviously isn’t all original. Clearly went through a rebuild. It didn’t even have a bayonet or cleaning rod when I got it, and I added them on, though that’s an old pic with no cleaning rod.

>Type 53 Mosin has no import mark on it
Vietnam bring back maybe?

>>64858259
>Vietnam bring back maybe?
What's the manufacture date and overall condition? There's always the chance it just missed being marked.

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carcanos have
-poorshit finish
-scratchy triggers
-whole gun feels thin and cheap, a feeling which intensifies to nausea if handling a carcano after handling smth like a mauser or steyr
-sights have huge notches and are meant to be six o click sighted by the book, yeah thats improve accuracy
-you cant cook spaghetti with it, not even a bundle of like 7-8 noodles fit inside the bore

BUTT:
-im a comfy guy and the aenemic load is very easy to shoot.
-the aenemic load doesnt heat up the gun so fast, which helps with competitions/longer series.

>>64858347
What about clip issues with the last 1/2 rounds?

If found them to be unreliable, new and surplus clips.

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Centerfire has Star 30s with mags. Not C&R, but no tax and flat rate shipping.

https://centerfiresystems.com/star-model-30m-9mm-pistol-excellent-condition-with-2-factory-magazines/

>>64859342
the carcano clips are the shittiest of all en bloc clips out there. shittier than berthier 5ers. handle em with care, both the brass and steel ones bend every with use a bit more. single use construction.

>>64859443
These are $297 on lockedloaded and in excellent condition, too many vendors overcharging/jewing people out of mags for these.

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Any /msg/ anons also /lit/ anons? If so what is the best bang for your buck book out there on the Luger? I know there is some three volume series by Gortz & Sturgess, but holy hell those are $300+.

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>>64864165
Ek se.

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>>64830096
Luv me FR8

>>64864581
mi amo mucho
mi fusil reformado ocho
<3

>>64858259
>>64858267
There was a time where import marks were not required.

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>>64861815
>what is the best bang for your buck book out there on the Luger?
It depends on what you want out of a book on Lugers. Do you want a cursory overview of German Lugers? Do you want a detailed breakdown of changes to the Luger in German service? Do you want the entire development history and contract variations of every Luger ever made? Your answer will vary depending on what you're looking for since there are a million books on Lugers. But in my experience, here's what I found for books:
>cursory
The P.08 Luger by Luc Guillou
>detailed (German)
Any of Jan Still's Luger books

The Gortz & Sturgess set is going to be the best for the super in depth development history and contract variants.

>>64861815
Try out this torrent?

https://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4264422

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>>64865299
>There was a time where import marks were not required.
And that was before the 1968 Gun Control Act. No-one was selling T53s surplus before 1968.

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>>64865309
>It depends on what you want out of a book on Lugers.
It would be nice to know all the variants and maybe some basic production history. But I don't need to know on February 18th, 1901 Georg Luger had a massive case of the shits so design work was delayed until the next day and that taco tuesday was no longer approved for Luger factory workers.

>>64867050
This here Luger was the very same one Georg Luger gave to an intern to hold while he scolded him for an hour through the door of the bathroom while taking a massive shit thanks to the taco tuesday wet burritos spending too much time out in the sun
$9,800 FIRM i know what I got

>>64867050
Actually, the Taco Tuesday incident happened on March 26th,1901
You have been permanently banned from the Luger forum

>>64864574
No Martinis?

Whoever said astra c96 often go for about $1k is a damn fool. I haven't seen a any C96 style pistol selling under $1500.

>>64867467
>>64867689
lol thanks for the info anons

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Thank you to the anon that suggested I use a sawback bayonet to cut trees down at my range project.
Worked out great. Still need one for the G98 tho

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>>64867050
>It would be nice to know all the variants and maybe some basic production history
You could try "The Luger Story" by John Walker which isn't as in depth as Gortz & Sturgess though slightly outdated.I personally haven't read it so I couldn't tell you for certain but online reviews say it is lacking in pictures.

I also really need to update this picture.

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What kind of crest is this?

>>64874040
This is a Spanish Air Force crest.
Often found on M44 La Coruna rifles.

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>>64859342
>>64859937
Original Carcano clips are fine. The problem is that there are so many fake clips out there and the assholes marked them all SMI 39, which is the most common original clip to find and probably the best of the original clips out there.

The top clip here is one of the fakes, the bottom is original. flat top 3 is a fake, while a curved 3 is not. If you hold both in your hands they are easy to see which is original and which one isn't. You can feel how whimpy the fakes are, while the originals are very springy.

>>64874410
it never ceases to amaze me how 1930s stamped sheet metal is complete alien technology that is beyond the comprehension of modern machine shops. Asking for high quality repro milsurp accessories is like asking someone to build the pyramids.

>>64875677
Ever since God's Chosen Uniparty shipped our manufacturing base overseas, simple shit like stampings at scale have essentially become lost technology. The only ones who know how to do it are either near retirement, retired, or dead.

Besides that, stampings typically have a very high start up cost since the stamps need to be custom made and the machines specifically tuned, so there would be no real profit to be made unless they were made in the millions. Maybe someone made a 3d printed version?

>>64875677
it never ceases to amaze me that people expect flawless results when reusing a disposable piece of equipment.
Clips are disposable. Expecting them to continue to work is idiotic.

>>64877302
I want to PAY YOU to MAKE clips that are BRAND NEW and WORK like they did when they made MILLIONS OF THEM ninety years ago, FAGGOT

>>64877302
I got 1917 and 1918 brass clips out of a (previously) unopened box of 1940-dated Italian ammo, so it seems the Italians did re-use some clips.

>>64877973
They made millions of them on large and expensive stamping machines that don't exist in America anymore. All machine shops know how to do nowadays is press a button on a cnc machine. Look into 3d printing.

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>>64867689
Made me laugh

>>64871343
Amazing that no one has bothered to make a C96 clone yet. Seems famous enough to sell gangbusters.

>>64882774
>no one has bothered to make a C96 clone yet.
It's a very complicated design requiring a lot of hand fitting. Just because modern manufacturing can make very complicated things doesn't mean that you can apply that to old designs. The Chinese actually did make C96 and Type-17 clones in the '80s but the import restrictions of the '90s put an end to that.

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>>64803876
Minor mystery fun time /msg/
It's a spam can of nugget food.
But what kind of nugget food is it?

>>64884153
Regular light ball steel core

>>64884153
yummy kind

>200 NDMs slipped in
>no one mentions it
So how the fuck did it happen? They're commercial guns marked as produced in 2025. It seems they're all 54r too, with none of the old 308s.

>>64885750
I’m wondering that as well. There’s a stipulation to the Chinese import ban that if a Chinese made gun sits in another country for like 10 years, it’s ok to import so I’m guessing that’s what happened? Maybe they spent a few decades in Albania like the Chinese SKSs that are making it in.

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>>64873208
teutonic superiority example no. 3:
bayonets. more pain, more gain.

>>64887664
The problem is they're clearly brand new and even have marks showing they were made in 2025. I suspect someone made a fucky wucky and signed off on a Form 6 by accident.

>>64884153
Not that anon, but related.
Hypothetically speaking anyway.
Asking here because there's no hand loading thread up and I don't wanna make one just for this question and I suspect there's a lot of crossover twixt the /msg/ and hand loading crowd anyway.
Let's say I can get my grubby mitts on a couple spam cans of steel core 54r. CHEAP. But I don't have a 54r firearm. I DO have a .308. I _really_ like the idea of having some steel core .308 ammo for reasons (in minecraft let's say muh dick). Would it be worth it to disassemble the 54r ammo and swage down the bullets to .308? Could you re use the powder? How the hell do you dispose of a bunch of corrosive primed brass? Is this over complicated and there's easier ways to get steel core (or steel core like effects) .308 ammo? Would it even be technically legal? in mine craft?

please note : "hypothetically" and "in mine craft" added for humorous reasons. I know the whole thing is probably kinda cringe, but it's my cringe and I own it.

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Today's the 110th anniversary of the Battle of Verdun, post German and French guns of WWI. Bonus if it could have seen the battle by virtue of being made in 1916 and prior.

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>>64888502
I'm pretty sure my Gew.98 is a war bond rifle.

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>b-b-but muh milsurp ammo is expensive
is it really though?

>>64885750
>$10,000 for a Chink gun
Jesus Christ.

>>64888210
The amount of work involved here would just be easier to get a Mosin and shoot the 54r.

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>>64820485
>tfw your rare crests are Spanish
>and you have to rephotograph all your crests
>can't do it outside anymore
>you have to request captchas now and wait 60 seconds
>captchas are hard now
Fuck.

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>>64892641
Captchas are easy as fuck

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>>64892641
A short moment later

>>64892660
>ooooh look at me I can match pictures
Quit bragging.

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I typically wouldnt buy something like this but I bought a 1953 hungarian m44 mosin nagant off a guy today.
It was 340 burgers and its in good shape aside from the sticky bolt. Rifle is fine.
My first non-22 rifle was a mosin 91/30 and I figured that this would be fun.
I dont know if it was a stupid purchase or not yet. Im normally a cowboy gun guy but I have some milsurp too. Not as knowledgable in the milsurp catagory yet.

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>>64892807
>It was 340 burgers
Did you get the ammo & accessories with it? If so, good deal.

>>64892827
No, just the sling and bayonet
I have the other accessories from my 91/30. That one is a garbage rod.

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>>64892840
>No, just the sling and bayonet
Still fair.

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Finally got my Sestroryetsk nugget.

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>>64892916
Nice.

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>>64890389
I am so glad I got mine for a fraction of that, and it's in 308 (which much prefer for loading), AND items got an original matching military scope instead of those English commercial export scopes.

I jist wish someone had the bulbs for the scope available. I'd kill to be able to get some.

>>64892657
What extension allows you to display all pics at once?

>>64892641
The captcha is annoying but tolerable, but the 60 second timer thing is going to kill 4chan.

>>64894437
>but the 60 second timer thing is going to kill 4chan.
post more often lazy bones

>>64894437
KurobaEx Beta.

I don't have a captcha timer unless if I switch IPs, then it's a 30 sec timer. Captcha is just one set of pics, if any. Most of the time I don't have any captcha

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>>64894437
>60 second timer
I haven’t seen one of those in months, maybe since the /qa/ fiasco. Until now I thought they stopped doing them.
The current captcha system is the best one we’ve had since I started browsing here in 2011.

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/msg/ bros... is this a khyber pass copy of an P14/P17 enfield or wtf is this thing?

>>64895699
>60 second timer
i see it every time since i only browse on private browser so i don't have cookies saved

>>64895969
Id say it's a Khyber p14 by the 303 bit and the fact that all the markings look like they're supposed to make sense to someone who doesn't know English. How much is it?

>>64895969
It's Egyptian. They weren't issued anywhere near Afghanistan.

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>>64896026
>They weren't issued anywhere near Afghanistan.
P.14s and SMLEs were the standard service rifle of the Emirate/Kingdom of Afghanistan. P.14s are all over Afghanistan, Pakistan, and they also may have leaked over from India and Iraq.

Bought a decent M38 Mosin Carbine the other day for $380. It came with the 2 ammo pouches, 2 stripper clips, 10 rounds of ammo, some small tools and the oiler.

I sold my 91/30 back in like 2013 for 90 if I remember correctly. Wish I never did that because damn man they're all $350+ minimum now and thats for a mediocre example.

Looking for a Nagant revolver now but they're all $500+ which is a tough price for something like that but, but then again in 10 years they'll probably all be $1000+.

>>64897178
>Looking for a Nagant revolver now but they're all $500+ which is a tough price for something like that
The secret is now that basic bitch import marked refurbs are selling for $500, you can easily snag a non-import non-refurb around the same price

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>>64897178
nice anon, I think im gonna try to get my hands on a 91/30 soonish. Welcome to the short nugget gang. I love my nugget but the prices on them today are crazy. On gunjoker the prices for polish Wz44s like mine are crazy last I checked. I dont wanna get rid of mine though, she's to nice

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>>64835479
dont put aftermarket crap on surps
and keep on blasting!

>>64901327
Ngl, I kinda want to get one of those Garand scope mounts you put through the sight housing just to see how well it shoots

>>64897106
Wonder if any Arisakas ever made it over to Afghanistan.

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>>64905266
>Wonder if any Arisakas ever made it over to Afghanistan.
There's probably one somewhere. Here's a Mauser 1893, which might be explainable as coming from the batch that the Persian Constitutionalist rebels purchased in 1905, except this rifle in the picture has the Spanish-pattern rear sight elevator manufactured only in Spain. So maybe this journeyed across North Africa and Mesopotamia.

>>64905266
everything is in Afghanistan somewhere

>https://wetworxoutfitters.com/surplus-aimpoint-comp-m4-2-moa/
-$350...

>>64906053
No warranty. Not worth it at that price.

Absolute long shot:

Anyone have a clue what the thread pitch is for the receiver screws on an Accumount 1903A4 scope base?

>>64908522
#8‐40

>>64906496
do people really care about warranties? i'd rather fix it myself than spend time and mental effort on shipping shit back to the mfg. plus aimpoints are pretty durable as is
plus a cursory glance tells me that comp m4s dont go below $350 often, then again i dont keep my eye on RDO prices so my judgement here might be unsound

>>64908712
>77 minutes for an answer
implessive

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Got me a Kraut STG-911 that didn’t get Arab Springed

>>64911369
Not bad.
But the code says filter all trips, and you'll be no exception.

>>64911369
Nice get, saw the kits for sale but couldn't justify $1k for just an AK kit.