Atrius is confirmed for khalash bash this year, I wonder if they will release something for the AK. I swear if they just show up with a AR platform chambered in 7.62x39 I will scream.

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>3 round burst in dev
I just want something as close as a 4 pos MP5 as I can get without paying the price of a new car

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Waiting on quality three position AK FRT that doesn't bind up

Waiting on drop in roller gun FRT SS pack

>>64835963
So there's no good ones for the ak yet? Im interested in it but i would only really want to put one on one of my AKs

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shoutout to the anon who updated the github list. looks good brah

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>>64835969
Not as far as I'm aware. I spent a fair bit of time and effort trying to get a three position setup to working used the machined style AK FRT kit like this one, plus a mil spec surplus trigger, and I also tried with an ALG AKT, and I couldn't get it to run reliably without feathering the trigger which IMO doesn't count.
That faggot Kiloguns is charging $550 for $100 of parts and maybe at most an hour of labor per install, and his shit binds up under hard trigger finger pressure and he claims that it must do so otherwise it is le real ebin machine gun. Retard.

Anyway, yeah as far as I'm aware there isn't a good three position AK FRT SS yet. I'll be surprised if the Atrius product, which I assume is an AK FRT SS three position system, doesn't basically come as a complete FCG with cam. The issue I ran in to is that you need the right clearances between cam reset ramp profile, main trigger hook, and disconnector.

https://combatarmory.com/ak-super-safety-d2-steel-kit-for-ak-47-active-reset-trigger-for-ar47-frt/

https://streamable.com/ctps76

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Boomp
Anyone else having some hiccups with their C.A.R.L? Mine likes to fail to feed after each burst

>>64836021
Well for starters your trigger spring coil has wandered off to the side and is preventing the leg of the hammer spring from resting on the trigger pin.

Did the JAKL bullpup guy ever get the SS to work?

Would it be possible to put something like that on an MP40 clone?

>>64836055
I am aware

>>64836125
Then fix it, dip shit. Maybe, just maybe, springs being in their proper fucking order might fix your little booboo.

>>64836172 I fixed it before the problems started, you absolutely useless twat

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hey there i need some advice, recently a relative told me they were interested in buying 2-3 ar-15s and getting a FRT for each and asked me to look into it cause i like guns . I'm not really experienced in what to look for I've mainly bought milsurp bolt actions and haven't messed around with anything more then my chinese sks. anyone got some good choices to buy? (price is not an issue)

>>64836001
thanks man

>>64836323
You are spoiled for choice for the AR15 platform, check out the the list in the OP for options, but it all comes down to if you want a lever, if you are okay with milspec triggers or not, if your lower has a low shelf, etc...

>>64836323
the partisan FRT would probably work best for you

>>64836082
I have not but I haven't had a whole lot of time to play with it. My original SS was causing it to bind up so I tossed in a DTT and it would hand function. When I went to test it out I only had a few rounds of subsonic, it was -5, and I forgot my ear pro as I was trying to get out before the snow came and forgot to test different gas settings for the supers.. Right now I've got a arc in with a g$ sd3g with a flat trigger that sits further forward.

>>64836832
will a partisan trigger work on a M&P 15 sport 3?

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>>64836948
likely yeah since the shelf doesnt matter on that. If it has a colt cuck pocket then your only option aside from using a dremel is to use a AZ regulator which is also 3 position.

>>64836289
>no proof offered
>pic shows contrary
Sure ou did.

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My glock 34 gen 3 suppressed with a FRT runs pretty well. Not practical at all really but fun. Will get the p320 FRT when it releases as I love the idea of a FRT in a Flux Raider.

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looks like there is movement on the Vz61 frt in the original lower

I got a zf5 super safety from as designs, anyone know the easiest/cheapest way of converting it to arc fire?

>>64837543
what do you mean? just take the super safety out and replace it with a ARC fire

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In all honesty, if I bought an frt for a Glock (or anything for that matter) would the government knock at my door?
I think that’s the only thing that scares me about it with just how wishy washy the ATF is regarding this stuff.

>>64837553
Currently all FRTs are legal federally including handguns although some people say that the FRT legality was only for rifles which I personally do not believe. Let's say in the future they are illegal, they would just come to your door and ask for what you have like the previous rarebreed fiasco and that's it really

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>>64837560
>Currently all FRTs are legal federally including handguns although some people say that the FRT legality was only for rifles which I personally do not believe.
I'm seeing a lot of this in the FRT world. I asked AS Designs at SHOT show about handgun FRT's and everyone at the booth said "fuck no" in unison. they then went on a talk about the rarebreed settlement, even though nobody but rare breed agreed to the settlement. idk what their lawyers tell them.
they told me "we dont need no ATF letters fuck the government" yet put their legs between their pants for pistols. it would be funny if it wasnt so sad.

>>64837610
I guess it's more of an optics thing

>>64837610
>put their legs between their pants
Wtf?

Why would anyone make a 320 FRT? Why not 365?

>>64837652
320 would be easier to control than a 365, why would you want it in a 365?

>>64837654
He probably has a 365, don't you think?

>>64837662
probably but the question was, why would ANYONE make a frt for the 320, not something like, why not ALSO for the 365

>>64837654
365 has a Flux and is less likely to UD

>>64837673
>Flux
There it is.

>>64837652
>>64837667
even with all the UD issues and lack of confidence, the P320 still has hundreds of thousands of units in circulation that nobody is going to throw away in the trash wholesale. The government might but that's a different beast, they would probably just sell them for parts. People who bought their $500 compact or $1000+ legion aren't going to destroy them to make a point. Either people will sell them for a loss or keep them in a safe and only fire at the range or never touch again. Millions of dollars of practically brand new hardware isn't going to evaporate overnight.

An FRT gives people an 'out' for the pistol. Turn it into a range toy for fun if they want to. Plus with police departments selling off their stock there's more cheap guns/parts flooding the market, which causes more people to see the P320 as a fun little thing to shoot trash with. Even without the Flux and similar chassis there's still a reasonable niche an FRT can offer. An FRT wont save the P320 but it could give a soft landing for some people.

>>64837717
this, I dont even have a 320 and wasnt on the radar for me until the FRT was announced

>>64837560
>Let's say in the future they are illegal, they would just come to your door and ask for what you have like the previous rarebreed fiasco and that's it really
I’m not aware of this whole thing.
Like do you just ask if they have a warrant and if no, don’t talk to them or open the door?
>>64837610
So pistols are a no?

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>>64837188
Thank fucking god

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>>64837560
>Currently all FRTs are legal federally including handguns although some people say that the FRT legality was only for rifles which I personally do not believe
the rare breed settlement specifically excludes handgun frts

>>64838873
it resets every round fired, I dont care

>>64838834
>Like do you just ask if they have a warrant and if no, don’t talk to them or open the door?
it wouldnt be an arrest so there wouldnt be a warrant, they would just know you have it and will confiscate it or ask you for it like before.

>>64838873
That's just their agreement with rarebreed. They're saying they will drop the case and not pursue further legal action if rarebreed follows those conditions. Batfags v. Raregreed did nothing to establish the legality of FRTs or offer any protections to other manufacturers. It sounds like other manufacturers are following batfags requests of raregreed in the mistaken hope that it affords them some kind of protection from litigation.

>>64838873
Yes, but in order to do anything about handgun FRTs, the ATF would have to make the claim that an FRT is a machine gun and that they gave Rare Breed a free pass to manufacture illegal machine guns. That wouldn't end well for them.

>>64839081
>they would just know you have it and will confiscate it or ask you for it like before.
Oh that thing? I wasn't really happy with how it worked so I sold it to some dude, can't recall the name.

>>64835486
>Hoffman is being sued by Rarebreed.

I used his yt link to donate a little

Abolish IP, rarebreed can get fucked

>>64839201
isnt it past your bedtime tim?
>Abolish IP
when will lolbertarians stop being retarded?

>>64839201
>Abolish IP
How do you think business works?

God damn when is FFT getting their ATF letter? Been forever

https://youtu.be/tZe7XDjfsxk

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$2300
>eewww, so long
Cut the barrel, add FRT, pussy. It's a real HK.

>>64841010
funny enough juicy media made a video on this
https://youtu.be/Vkji6JOqNwc

>>64841018
It's $1400 off msrp. Literally begging to be SBR'd.

>>64841010
id this is 16in long barrel, why is there a brace?

>>64841133
To be cut down? I would just put a fixed A2 HK stock on it, like the old HK 94s.

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>>64835486
The Kabuto/saikou are a little too auto-seary for my liking. I know they function the same, but I can't imagine anyone seeing that and not fucking you over.
>>64841010
I wish more companies would just do a dummy barrel extension "permanently" attached. So no rifling to fuck up, at most maybe you need to thread it to your specifications.
The creative workarounds for retarded/poorly written laws are great though. i miss when sig was based and made their "muzzle brakes" for the mpx.

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>>64841246
>creative workarounds
My best was the TacSol SBX bbl, before they caught on and increased the price. Yrs ago it saved $200. Now, TacSol seems to have reduced the price. Still very lightwieght and accurate.

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more footage of the ARHK, 3 position drop in FRT for HK platform

Asked a while ago, but has there been any update on an ACR FRT? I can't find any info on it so I'm guessing its a no

>>64841674
no new information as far as I know

>>64835486
Has anyone seen this video from GForce Arms that demonstrates an FRT in their gun?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-EFJ-c69vc

I know their not a huge manufacturer/importer, but it's pretty interesting to see a manufacturer/importer demonstrate FRTs in their guns officially. Makes me think that firearms being equipped with FRTs from the factory is maybe not terribly far away, at least not with smaller operations like GForce.

>>64841246
>i miss when sig was based and made their "muzzle brakes" for the mpx
That was the batfags calling shenanigans. Suppressors are extra fucky because the statute was actually amended to define parts as being title 2 firearms as well, vs every other title 2 firearm only being regulated when fully assembled and functional. Constructive possession for MGs, DDs, AOWs, SBRs, and SBSs is a matter of caselaw and interpretation so it's easier to get around.

>>64836848
What bullpup kit are you using?

>>64842203
yeah that is interesting, some companies are pre installing them now

>>64842847
Really? Can you show examples, I'm curious what's different from the sig mpx "muzzle break".

>>64842461
A3 industries triad.

>>64843316
JAKL's have historic issues with subs, you have success with supers and FRT use?

>>64839201
>abolish IP
I am so tired of lolberts

>>64843537
I do, I might try going out tomorrow to try again. Last time i took it out everything went wrong forgot ear pro it was cold, and was in a rush. I also noticed the screws holding the barrel were loose and I could physically move the barrel around. Now everything's tightened up. As far as subs I haven't had any issue running subs in semi auto, but I found another box of subs and have plenty of supers to test

>>64844768
Wear your mittens.

it's wild that FRTs for AR10s are rare, I know that GMR has a kit that works for specific patterns and I know there is not a milspec but at least DPMS Gen 1 support should be more wild spread

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Prototype frt for a sks with texas trigger usa

>>64841511
Waow (based based based based based based based)

>>64841511
Have they given out an eta and pricing?

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>>64835486
Is the Arizona Regulator currently the best option for an M16 clone?

>>64845417
Directly from the owner

>It won't be crazy expensive (but everyone has varying views on what that is). But people have to keep in mind all of the parts inside are custom except the ejector lever. So it's not off the shelf stuff that we can get from a normal OEM, custom trigger, hammer, ARC parts, selectors, disconnector, trip parts, etc. All custom. It's not a factory pack with a couple parts added/replaced, it's a ground up redesign. We also don't believe in "HK type part = more expensive", so there's no HK tax or anything.

>We're not giving pricing yet until we have all the parts fully in production and we know what actual costs will be (labor is gonna be a part of it as these are way harder to put together than an AR style lower). Unless you want a metal printed (DMLS) version, that's like $4K for the prototype, lol.

Some say around 500 because the g3 people that their order cancelled was going to get like 250 back

>>64845589
M16A1 and M16A3 sure because those were full auto, you also have the option to use kabuto style drop in FRTs, those allow M16 selectors with some fitting iirc. I'm not sure there is a non ambi version of the regulator

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>>64841511
drop in trigger in AP53

First footage I think I've seen with the 3 round burst CARL in a MP5

https://youtu.be/nbaqL5s-X6A?t=154

>>64845904
Surely, this is compatible with G3/91?

>>64845948
It is, yeah

>>64845948
>>64845904
>>64841511
Information regarding beltfeds

>Has it been tested on an HK21E/hk23e?

>No, 21 will be tested shortly, then we'll have to send off a test unit to our associate to test 21E (just in case) and 23E since we don't exactly have those laying around.

>>64841511
>ARHK, 3 position drop in FRT for HK platform
>>64845904
>drop in trigger in AP53
>>64845948
>compatible with G3/91
>>64845950
>It is, yeah
So is there a website for this wonder gadet?

>>64846077
it's by asdesigns, it's not out yet. Said to be in a couple of months

Anyone tried that Beretta 92 FRT yet? Curious how well it works.

Took my jakl bulpup out for testing and think I am narrowing down what I need to do to get it to work. I would get hammer follow on SS mode, but I found out if i shoved a stick through the side opening that has access to the regular trigger and not the bullpup trigger I could get SS mode to work just fine. Making me think that the linkage might be heavy enough to cause drag on the BCG causing the hammer to release before it fully closes. I think if I toy with the linkage distance to the trigger I might be able to find a sweet spot where its just barely enough for the bullpup trigger to fire, but not so much that it puts too much excess weight on the trigger/ss and cause the hammer follow.

>>64845177
Is it selectable or FRT only?

So who's actually developing that 320 trigger? I want to keep up with that

>>64847170
Not sure yet, if I could guess, it's FRT only

>>64846998
damn, pretty neat. I hope you get it running well

>>64846985
seem to work well according to fps kenny's video

https://youtu.be/-v75QmQbrUw

iirc though, it doesnt work on the single action versions

bump

More SKS FRT footage

https://youtu.be/wPeRfZj3eTw

>>64849940
>not on website

>>64850007
what do you mean? It's not available yet, they are just testing it

>>64837066
>>64837721

2nding
>>64847796

Previously an anon told me it was duality arms but I can't find a single mention of that anywhere(might be jewgle shenanigans) and have been keeping an eye out for the last 4 months or so

>>64850052
There are two separate groups working on the p320 frt. Duality Arms Co mentioned it on instagram in the comments on one of their posts and the other is an anon that was in the thread that actually posted footage and gave detailed information about it

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>>64850069
>>64850052

>>64848549
IMHO, considering it has bottom metal and a flag safety, they'd have to use the flag safety, or something like a push button adapted for the flag safety's location.
The Norinco Para's and the SKS-D's would really profit from a FRT

>>64850040
Doesn't matter, I want it now.

>>64845990
THE real question is would PTR build a HK21. They have the tooling from Portugal, I imagine the belt feed module isn't easy though

>>64850505
yeah I feel ya

>>64837546
Wasn't sure if I could just replace part of the trigger or it had to be the entire thing

>>64851026
no, just take out the super safety and replace it with the ARC

bump

>>64850090
btw, I was trying to find this post, but it looks like they took it down? or maybe it was a story

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looks like Frankenstein Armory has taken up the mantel of making a trip for the LWRC SMG 45. Good to see movement on this

https://frankensteinarmory.com/products/frankenstein-tsb-smg

This footage was from a guy that was designing the trip himself, however ran into a ton of issues so technically the footage is not of the trip, but you get the idea.

Footage w/ sound: https://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/Footage/LWRC-SMG45.mp4

Getting impatient with FN Specialties...

>>64853565
I wish there was a time frame, I agree. At least for me I bought it now even though I didnt have the gun yet

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>ordered frt on 12 jan from WOT
>payed with btc
>heard absolutely nothing from them
>mfw
is shit normally this slow or have they fucked me

>>64853601
bro I don't even think WOT is making triggers anymore, you got super scammed. Especially paying with BTC or any crypto. I hope this was a fake post and not a clown from behind the screen.

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>>64853610

>>64853601
kek. peak retard

>>64853601
Please say sike lmao

>>64853483
Would be nice if the gun wasn't discontinued and $3k used

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>>64837610
Why? Whats wrong with a pistol FRT?

>>64854137
good for people that has one I guess like any of the belt fed FRTs

>>64853601
lmao bro the first like 5 "FRT" results on google are scam sites

PROTOTYPE 4 POSITION IN DEVELOPMENT

https://youtu.be/VJNGX7ZoB3A

https://odysee.com/@Stealth_The_Unknown:7/LARK-Kaboodle:3

Works from the kabuto design, pretty neat

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>>64854691
The owner of ASDesigns also hinted at it on a reddit post as well

Really exciting stuff happening

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>>64854268
>Why? Whats wrong with a pistol FRT?
Nothing. My thought is nobody wants to stick their neck out and be the next rare breed and get in a fight with the ATF. So people grab onto whatever justification they need to say which FRT's are legal based on their own acceptance level of risk.
People are ok with doing rifles as long as someone else is doing it, will do rifles. People with lower risk aversion will be willing to do handgun FRT's like the glocks and TX22.
companies can point to the mess of court cases, agreements, laws and tea leaves to explain what they are comfortable with.
Not many people want to be the person who makes the next 'muhfuggin glock switch' and catch a bunch of heat. so handguns are not as fleshed out as rifles IMO.

>>64855758
Full auto pistols being of dubious usefulness may also be part of this.

>>64855891
Doubtful, the other anon had it right. Rifle FRTs have more supporting documentation around their legality. Asking a judge or jury to use logic can be a very dangerous proposition. Bigger shops with other revenue streams are going to be much less likely to risk that on pistol FRTs, it's not like our laws are internally consistent.

bump

>>64855891
you do have a point, could be some part of it. three points of contact is so much better.

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>>64857760
Pistol FRTs have their own appeal though as a different experience. Would be cool to have a CZ75 FRT because a full auto one did exist

>>64856009
>it's not like our laws are internally consistent.
Fuck dude, I don't even REALLY understand how farts got the pass. Yeah I get the wording at all but since when did the govt give a shit about wording?

>>64858103
Because the batfags used that wording to make shoelaces and rubber bands machine guns. They became so autistically focused on it that it became their undoing. Now they're trying to backpedal and have their cake and eat it too, but the spent so much time replying to irl shitposts homing in on "one shot per action of the trigger" that they gave FRTs a mountain of evidence supporting their legality.

>>64858109
It's like poetry

>>64858109
>used that wording to make shoelaces and rubber bands machine guns
Quick rundown? Shoelaces effectively act like shitty FRTs right? So are you saying they lost the original debate on that, which led to FRTs being legal later on?

>>64858118
they won the shoelace thing but the definition put in place was so specific that now you can lawyer your way around it.
its like if they said no parking cars in a parking space from 6-9.
and its assumed car is just a car.
then somebody parks a motorcycle
they redefine car as any wheeled vehicle.
then the frt is a fucking snowmobile with treads and they cant do shit since they said its only illegal to park wheeled vehicles in that spot.

>>64858118
No, I don't remember the exact wording (and you can find it if you actually care) but their contention went something like because your finger stayed stationary and the cycling of the charging handle actuated the trigger via the shoelace then that counted as one action of the trigger and the shoelace became the trigger. FRTs actually move your finger and there's no device between you and the trigger so it becomes a harder argument for the batfags to make.

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>>64858444
>the shoelace became the trigger
Hahahaha what the fuck

It's awesome that more FRTs are being developed for more platforms, but I wish 3 position was less rare. I do understand though as some platforms cant simply do it and 3 position is incredibly more complex. In machine guns, full auto is easier to develop that semi auto as well so that makes sense I guess

>>64855758
>People are ok with doing rifles as long as someone else is doing it, will do rifles. People with lower risk aversion will be willing to do handgun FRT's like the glocks and TX22.
Rare greed is already doing it for pistol ARs and by extension AR pistols. ATF will need to redefine pistols/handguns.

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Cool that he's finishing working on the M249, but that's cool for like the 10 people that has one. Not going to look a gift horse in the mouth though.

So ive got meself a tx22 toro. Can i really simply print that disconnector and it will work dandy? Should i use any particular filament? Don't know shit about 3d printing, but i have a buddy who own a workshop.

>>64860010
usually 3d printed instructions have all the info you need

https://guncadindex.com/detail/Frt-v1:c

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>>64840383
apparently people have done high speed footage of the M&P 2.0 FRT and determined that the since they cant see the trigger move forward for the reset that it is a machinegun.
maybe that is the reason the letter is taking so long. With the FRT the internal mechanism follows the reset order of operations but doesnt seem to give any reset feedback to the user.
i hear people are refering to deskpop as some sort of authority, even though hes just an influencerfag.
picrel from his instashit

Since I might potentially make a bad decision when I get paid tomorrow, is there any SS/FRT that works with the X95?

>>64861359
interesting, it does take technique to make it work like other pistol FRTs

>>64861381
not that I am aware of, no

>>64861417
Its over. We'll, not everything needs a fun switch i suppose

>>64861381
Galil first

bump

>ASD says my lower should ship between 2/9 and 2/13
>no confirmation yet
WHERE IS IT

>>64862533
I regret to inform you the chimps at whatever mail carrier they use stole it

>>64862533
depends on your order number right?

>>64862539
NOOOOOOO

>>64862640
I am in the 34k AP5 range, and supposedly 34k to 40k is shipping this week. I guess I'll nag them if nothing happens tomorrow.

looks like a lot more people are selling metal kabuto drop in FRTs. This is great because bssquirts is unreliable right now

>>64837188
Need one for my vz58

>>64862887
An anon is working on the vz58, 3 position as well.

>>64862894
Badass, If It's not a POS I'm going to look at purchasing one.

I just got my Arizona Regulator and H3 buffer installed yesterday, and I got a weird malfunction where I got a burst of fire while still in single fire mode. When I charge it, I can feel the trigger kick forward a bit even in single, but not enough to fully reset the trigger on its own. FRT mode still functions correctly though. Is this normal? Anyone else get anything like that before?

>>64863268
I heard you kinda had to fit these, you heard about that?

To that guy who posted the p320 FRT footage, are you working with advanced reset tech or are they taking credit for your stuff? I saw a post in their IG @advancedresettech with the video that was posted on youtube.

>>64863373
Nope, what kind of fitting are we talking here?

>>64863679
to be fair this might be for the 2 position version

https://youtu.be/ULylim9y15k

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>>64863689
Obviously do more research so you dont ruin anything, but according to how it seems to work, maybe the leg that's hitting the trigger is too long?

>>64863268
something to obviously check, you installed the trigger with the springs correctly?

>>64863697
small correction, the 3 position version engages the disconnector

>>64863713
Admittedly, when the malfunction happened I took it apart to verify this and saw that I put the disconnector spring in backwards like a fucking retard. But after fixing that I found that I could still feel the trigger move forward a bit when charging in single.
The rest of the trigger was installed correctly, but for my own sanity's sake I'm gonna go verify it again. Really hoping I don't have to shave anything off of anything like >>64863697
said because I really don't think I can trust myself to not fuck it up.

>>64863618
>are you working with advanced reset tech
In talks. I hashed it out. Insert vague-posting here.

>>64863956
ah gotcha, cool beans! I really hope you are successful in this space, I love to see innovation thrive.

I live in a ban state, anyone know of anybody working on an FRT for the Fightlite SCR? Ill be getting one soon and from my understanding they use a different trigger setup than a normal AR to account for the shape of the lower

>>64864545
>I live in a ban state
why add this?

>>64864545
If you're in a ban state odds are FRT's are banned (usually under bumpstock verbiage), and/or standard cap mags are banned.
IMO move the fuck out

>>64864545
3d printed super safety, better get a printer now before they will all be cucked with AI tracking an shit. No joke, I bought a 700 dollar printer yesterday because of this shit and I live in a free state

>>64864736
I'm also trans if that matters.

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Super Safe RPD in development by @nichetactical on IG

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Is there a tier list of the current frt's on the market?

>>64867912
Most platforms only have one option. If you mean for ARs there are positive and negatives for every design. Which design you choose depends on a couple of this. If you want 3rd party trigger support, lever vs button, cost, shelf height, etc... The FRT list in the OP has some basic info on each.

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Guess no one saw it yet.
Donate to Hoffman's legal fight against the ATF, I mean Rare Greed.
https://www.givesendgo.com/hoffmantactical

>>64868245
based

Has anyone had luck getting FRTs to run in the Global Ordinance Monolith?

>>64868623
not yet, but curious if the cmmg dissent trip asdesigns is making would work, probably not

>>64868245
Related news, Rare Cuck got slapped down in court in there case against Partisan trigger.
https://youtu.be/m2Y7BvSlCEs

>>64869007
That's interesting, I would think that they would have a real shot against partisan because the internals are the same, the super safety shit is exactly shit though

>>64864008
One can hope. We'll see.

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Rarebreed MP5 FRT coming out soon

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Advanced Reset Tech is releasing the Ruger PC9 ART very soon, 2 position at launch but will be 3 position in the future

>>64870281
We call them raregreed now, and we don't discuss their products.

>>64870406
I dont personally like them, but I'm just giving neutral information out for education purposes

>>64870281
Why do I have a feeling they're doing this at the behest of the ATF so they can sue AS Designs upcoming MP5 frt?

>>64870457
they are already suing asdesigns

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ordered this on january 8th. finally got an shipment update on february 10th.

i was wondering when it would show up for the longest time. i guess they have been overwhelmed with orders, and amazons overnight shipping really spoils you. posting in case anyone else bought from them or want to buy from them.

Anyone have any experience with the Partisan Disruptor?

>>64871359
yeah bssquirts is running into a lot of manufacturing issues

>>64871774
I dont have that specific trigger but I do have a DTT and bought it when it came out. The design is exactly the same, it runs fine. Remember to move the lever forward to close the upper down on the lower

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Real shit?

>>64872382
I do recognize those names unfortunately, they were doing a scam or something a while ago, generally curious if this is real

>>64872394
looking into this more, they since have sold under a different company called plinkify now and there are videos of people shooting with it so it seems to be legit. The previous controversy still gives me pause, what I will say though is if it's real I will buy it.

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GMR posted a video for their super safeties working on a IMG 12GA upper

I have a Deez Nuts selector and kinda hate using the push button. Should I go with Atrius or ASD's SS?

>>64873395
ASD ARC every time, it's much better

>>64873423
How is it better? Genuune question, different anon but I've only used the Hoffman style.

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>>64873395
100% ASD Arc-fire. Way more durable. I had an Atrius lever. Bent/broke like 3-4x I forget before I gave up, over the course of ~2500 rounds or so? Exact same gun and setup, put an Arc-fire in. North of 2000rnds, ZERO issues or signs of bend/breaking.

My current theory is that a TON of people are having their Atrius levers break, but that Atrius is staying on top of shipping replacement levers, also of course the typical issue where only 5% of shooters shoot 95% of the ammo and most just buy the Atrius, run a mag or two, then put it away until next thanksgiving when they want to show their father in law the heckin cool ebin machine gun... plus the general good nature of the 2A community, and the generated goodwill Atrius has cultivated marketing themselves (honestly I think) as 2A supporters/advocates....

So no one is putting them on blast for a design that truly has some issues and weaknesses.

>>64872382
The Kono name is totally marred IMO by the scam shit. Texas triggers overall as well. But we'll see.
I have been waiting for a good three position AK FRT SS.

>>64870281
No reason to buy this all things considered. The lawsuits, the bullshit, and ASD having their version.

>>64866142
AR FCG conversion lowers for various platforms needs to stop.
Just make a new setup that fits the original receiver/housing.

>>64874733
>I have been waiting for a good three position AK FRT SS.
same here, I make enough money to give it a chance

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>>64874733
>No reason to buy this all things considered. The lawsuits, the bullshit, and ASD having their version.
The only reason in my opinion why someone would want the rarebreed version is if they are super anal about have a screw hole on the selector for the asdesigns version

Which kit works with bufferless uppers like the jakl9/mat-9?

>>64875280
asdesigns is working on a slip trip for the jakl9. As far as I know, there is nothing in development for the mat-9

>>64875364
>>64875280
sorry small correction, matador is working on a trip as well for the mat-9

https://kg2g.github.io/FRTINFO/Footage/MatadorArms.mp4

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>>64868245
Not much point, I worked my way through the patents. One of the three doesn't apply, but the other two do. Hoffman is fucked. Only way out is if he manages to get them invalidated via reexamination.

Interestingly, the oldest one may be prior art against the other two, unless it's barred by being from the same inventor. The analysis is complicated by time limits and ownership issues, especially since Rare Breed transferred ownership repeatedly.

>>64868623
>Global Ordinance
Most ordinances are local. There aren't really any international ones, just treaties that countries can opt into or out of.

>>64875396
>source(s): dude trust me

>>64875439
I could go through the analyses for you but last time I did it people chimped out about it. It honestly isn't that difficult of an analysis. The 784 patent claim 1 is easy to read through, and if you understand how the SS works, you just have to apply each word to the equivalent SS function.

The one mental hurdle to overcome is that the SS operations all happen on the cam. Once you realize that, the wording is an easy matchup.

t. patent attorney

>>64835963
Where the fuck did you get the milspec levers

>>64875770
you can buy them right now from asdesigns, this is for the ARC btw

>>64875472
Aren't you the guy that was sperging out a few threads back about how Rare Greed were gud boys who dindu nuffin to nobody? Just give up, nobody believes you.

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>>64875857
That was more than 10 threads back. I still have a pang of fleeting remorse for rare Greed as they got us to a placewhere FRT's are legal thanks to their pigheaded boomer owner (whos also a lawyer), they just had to sell their soul to do it by agreeing a must enforce settlement.
I want to give them an attaboy and buy one (and only one) of their FRT's but it's not happening as long as they're engaging in this egregious lawfare.
They need to get humbled

I really hope that ak 3 position drop in comes out today

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>>64878380
Whomsts is teasing?

>>64875774
>>64875770
Direct from ASD. Kudos to ASD as people (meself included) bugged them for all of a couple months and they pumped that shit out right quick, used torx hardware, made them look good. They killed it.

>>64878487
>Whomsts is teasing?
plinkify

where is the best place to test the FRT in texas near TALO? CO seems close enough but davy crockett is closer

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Dear Kriss Vector anons, I just wanted you to know that the mamba is indeed better than the ratl-r.
I put the first 150 rounds through the new sear today, no jams, no problems, no "sweet spot", you can pull the trigger as hard as you want and it'll forcefully reset with no trigger slap just like an AR FRT. Easy 2-3 round bursts.
The way it should've been from the start before the 3 position faggots showed up and shitted it up.

>>64879908
That's a good report, I do wish the 3 position worked super well though as that's more appealing to me

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>>64880415
>>64879908
Reminder that s3igu2 was working on the Vector

Guy on youtube did a stream that covered the rare greed's war on other frt makers like hoffman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFgQnAnb6A0

>>64880624
is this accurate or just yt arm chair lawyer bullshit

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So, if I wanted a 3 position FRT or SS for my AR-15, what would be the recommended choices?

>>64881252
Just grab a generic SS for like $50.

>>64881354
Where are they that cheap?

>>64881366
If you want to cut your own trigger, all over the place. If you're not confident about cutting the trigger, the full kit os around $100 for a generic milspec trigger.

>>64881252
super safety is one of the cheapest ways I agree, There are a lot of options, please check out the platforms list in the OP.

Kinda depends on your needs as well, like if you care about different triggers, traditional safety levers, trigger cutting, type of shelf, budget

>>64881366
Because it's an open source design made of $25 worth of metal that dozens of companies are making right now. To charge more would be asking to go out of business.

>>64881252
https://302f29093405533.s4shops.com/
Looks like a scam but it's cheap and he ships fast.

>>64881411
god damn does that url look evil, there are a lot of reputable sites out there as a alternative, check the OP

>>64881414
Yeah no it's ridiculous he doesn't update it. I think it's some retarded boomer based on his reddit posts. But I've used him before and it's fine.

2 things:
How deep are Rarebreed's pockets? At some point I feel like they'd be hurting after all the lawsuits they're starting. They have to be having some dip in sales right? Or do most people just not care and buy their shit anyways? What would even happen to their deal with the ATF if they did go under, would the ATF just try to make FRTs illegal again or find another company to give the Raregreed treatment?

Second, how is it that people can control their rifles so easily in FA/SS/FRT firing? I will admit I am a very small man but I feel like I'm just doing something wrong. Even when I'm shooting supported, elbow on the table, the recoil's a bit much. Not terrible in semi but just 3 shots in 3rd position kicks the gun up a ton.

>>64881462
depends on a couple of things like rof, but this is a pretty good video I learned a bit from

https://youtu.be/XzoAQCPyqsQ

>>64881476
Ah, thanks. I've been shooting with my feet flat and back straight (if shooting unsupported) so I suppose that could be it. Though I've been told not to lean in so much in the 'tactical turtle' stance like from this guy: https://youtube.com/shorts/GpYSXteNArU?si=iYk58y_JPpgVBaGZ
But I guess his stance when shooting is wider and might be doing the foot thing. Guess I'll have to experiment next time

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Advanced Reset Tech really pulling out the stops with new FRTs this year

>>64881462
>How deep are Rarebreed's pockets?
Conspiracy theory territory but I would be willing to bet the Aft is bankrolling them. Their sales have to have plummeted immensely when you can spend $80 and get what is essentially the same thing to most people. Add on to that the bad PR in a relatively small "community" and I doubt they make enough to keep the lights on legitimately.

>>64849940
Maybe I won't sell that SKS-D in my safe.

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>>64869007
>Partisan trigger
How do you guys like the Partisans? They seem like a nice 3 Pos alternative to the Rare Breed. Are they reliable? Do they choke if you squeeze them too hard? Not referring to squeezing with tard strength, obviously, I just want to make sure I can pin it reasonably hard and not cause a stoppage.

>>64875400
That's such a dumb pun lol.

>>64883325
yeah they're pretty good, some differences though according to PSR, it doesnt work with the mcx series like RB/DTT does. East Valley Tactical does offer it as a separate option for their conversion as well though.

>>64880697
He went over the court docs and highlighted some of the mistakes hoffman made by making public statements that hurt his case.

Looks like in January Texas Triggers teased a 3 position AK FRT as well

https://youtu.be/OnFW7wOfWzk

Plinkify stated theirs to be released mid Feb

>>64882464
>>64881462
https://youtu.be/I2M_Pz6CSSc

>>64879908
do these require you to use the newer gen of vector?

>>64884600
no

>>64884243
Maybe I sold my saiga at the wrong time. At least I still have a Sam7

>>64879908
They mailed me something, I assume it's that or a newer ratlr or something but I fucking hate disassembling that trigger pack so I have been putting it off...

>>64884735
they probably sent the mamba which is a 2 position

how rough do you think a full-fart 40sw p320 would be in a flux?

>>64885378
I'll open the envelope after work today and report

>>64886636
you should shoot more of the roof than the target

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Atrius or AS Designs?

>>64886971
AS Designs.

>>64886971
asdesigns

>>64886975
>>64886985
Thanks. I'll wait for their version 2 coming out next month.

>>64886636
Rough, 9mm flux isnt exactly an MP5 in the first place. Recoil feels more like a direct blowback PCC. I don't think it'd be unmanageable or anything as long as the rof wasn't crazy but it wouldn't exactly be a joy to shoot considering the recoil, collapsing stock rails(if you chin/cheek weld them), and possibility of introducing the optic to your nose if you're a bigger dude.

Fluxes are cool and are the least shit PDW, a lot of people see them shilled for those reasons and assume they must be fun shooters too. They aren't.

Should i put my SS in my AR9 or suppressed 5.56? I hate the government and am poor. maybe a .22lr bolt?

>>64887016
The thing about AR9s is you need weight to avoid OOBs and bolt bounce, if you have enough weight then you're good to go. Check blowback9 for more information.

AR22 is a pain in the ass to get it running but it's really fun, check out borebuddy

556 is the easiest to run

>>64887029
How bad is 22 to get running? $.07 a round sounds better than even 25 cents for 9 mm or more for 556.

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>>64887089
kinda depends if you're running a dedi or a conversion, barrel length etc.. bore buddy has a lot of guides. I've been trying to run this dedi build here with 3 different FRT solutions, DTT, Atrius and finally landed on ARC fire which was the best. I initially had a 4in barrel then moved to 7 which worked better but it was a huge pain.

This is just my experience though, not exactly running a "standard" build

>>64887130
>>64887089
something to add is borebuddy really has everything you need and their support is pretty good

>>64886971
>AS Designs
So what the fuck is up with them anyway? I have been waiting on my lower for ages and I kept seeing updates that claimed sometime this month, now a new update is saying no more shipping this month either?

Is FN Specialties to be trusted? I am ready to cancel my FTR P90 preorder and get a refund or issue a dispute.

>>64888168
I think they are, ordered from them before, but you can cancel your order if you want too

>>64888168
Do you not look up reviews before buying stuff?

>order from ASD
>they specifically say item will ship by date
>date passes
>email them
>"oops lol still building it we'll have it done this week"
>week passes
>still not shipped
Either don't list things as available unless you actually have them, or hire more people to fulfill the orders. This shit should be like a pizza where you get your money back if they don't do it on time.

>>64887029
It's kinda gay that those roller locked buffers arent F/A rated, that seems like it would be their number 1 use case.

>>64888522
well one could use the cmmg blow back system, you wouldnt get an OOB and there is no weight to trim to make it work with a FRT

>>64888482
you will get it for sure, but yeah I dont blame you

>>64835508
Working on it. CNCs are at maximum capacity but are expanding every month just to accommodate current orders but AK levers have been on the timeline for a while now.

>>64888840
oh no foolin'? You guys are actually putting something out for the AK platform? fuck yeah!

>>64884600
It works with gen 2 and 3, gen 1 needs a fcg upgrade
>>64884735
>>64886637
What did you get? It does suck but following along with the video and having the right tools helps. A string from 550 paracord for setting the trigger spring makes it easy. Getting the sear pin out for the first time is a nigger no matter what though

>>64887844
What lower? They cancelled the G3 lowers and are giving the pre-purchasers the upcoming ARHK casette triggers (and a ~$300 refund for the difference)

>>64890769
Sp5k

>>64891144
Should have gone with L2 Prints.
2 weeks from purchase and it was at my door.

>>64891144
did you get a DD grip? they were having trouble sourcing those

>>64889926
Honestly it's that fucking pin I have never even successfully gotten it all the way out once, just half out (which is enough) but holy fuck mine was put together with negative tolerance it feels like and it just makes me angry, I have already done this twice and a third time better be enough.
Anyway I may or may not have misplaced the package hence the delay, they sent me another ratlr, the 3d printed safety they included looks a bit different though so maybe that's a good sign.

>>64891421
you should get the metal cam if you stick with the 3 position version

https://brellosolutions.us/products/3-position-metal-ratl-r-safety-cam

>>64891444
>Another 65 dollars
>Backordered till next month
>Would have to tear the thing down again
I do appreciate you anon, but that's a difficult pill to swallow on top of all this other difficulty already.

>>64891180
Metal.
>>64891248
No just basic no upgrades at all

>>64891505
Many of the originals aren't even metal.
Besides, L2s have metal plates on the inside.

>>64891513
My other mp5 clone didn't like the printed receiver I previously got, so this time I wanted to try something different.

>Many of the originals aren't even metal
Right that's because it's a cheap stamped sheet metal gun, what's wrong with trying to get something nicer?

This guy is making a FRT for the Mac IX, which is a gun I had to look up

https://youtu.be/i3s2iy1WBps
https://youtu.be/ECwuonyz8GI

>>64888811
Aren't those bufferless bolts though and would require a trip? Also, they're stupid expensive. The roller-locked buffers are honestly a brilliant solution if they could be made cheaper and FA rated. Adding an extra $300 to an ar9 upper means you may as well get a mat-9 or cmmg

>>64891875
CMMG Banshee bolts are standard bolts with the trip in the bolt like any other AR bolt, CMMG Dissent bolts are bufferless.

>>64891887
I didn't realize the banshee was radially delayed, thought that was the dissent only.

>>64892090
yep they both are

>>64836099
i have plans to make one for the mp40 down the line if nobody else works on it

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>>64888482
>>64888814
>NOOOOOOO my heckin gunkopops are a day late!???!!!!!???!
>This is literally worse than the Holocaust!!!!

>>64893373
>he is unaware of ASD's delays
There's people who have been waiting since September.

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What the fuck is Raregreed's problem. It really is insane that they're litigating based on the idea their the patent for their cassette style FRT is anything like the lever based super safety.
Post modernist subjectivist brainworm rot.

That being said, they've got their drop in MP5 FRT pack listed on the website.

Really hoping ASD gets their product pushed out.

https://rarebreedtriggers.com/product/frt-rd3-ambi/

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Things are really moving in the 3D2A/FOSSCAD space.

The Super Safe Handgun Chassis (SSHC) by AemAer is starting trials soon.

Basically what this is, it's a chassis you put your pistol in and it enables 3 position super safe capability to it.

This design is the latest version, but I'll post some older footage from 7 months ago from the dev from the "V1" version.

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>>64893565
>>64893557
>>64893549
When this matures, I'll put it on the platform list in the OP

>>64893549
>>64893557
>>64893565
>>64893575
so its an AR lower for a glock as an upper
the real question is since its an AOW/SBR, do you register the lower, or do you register the upper?

>>64893604
It's a chassis that has a trigger on it

you wouldnt have to register anything since the firearm is the pistol, you would have to submit the form 1 for the pistol if you want to use a stock, but you can use a brace.

It's not a separate lower

This is basically the same as a a3 industries triad, but imagine that had a super safety built in

>>64893616
but what REALLY separates it from a lower?

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>>64893639
the fact that the chassis isnt needed to operate the gun, it's an accessory. Would you consider pic related to be a lower?

>>64893646
but it does operate the gun, the one in your picture doesnt have a trigger system, theres nothing that connects it to the sear and firing pin

>>64893655
fair enough, would you consider the a3 triad or the other bullpup chassis that's available a lower?

>>64893669
yes for the same reasons
i mean i'm just taking the piss out of this and theres probably days that if you presented an AR for the first time to the atf they'd choose to call the upper instead of the lower a firearm just based off what side of the bed they woke up on, its not consistent at all

>>64893549
What modifications need to be made to the pistol prior to dropping it in? Installing a normal no position FRT (replacing the trigger)?

If they're just using the slide to trip a trigger system entirely in the chassis, in a bullpup configuration with a linkage, how is a normal unmodified pistol getting the trigger to full reset?

>>64893686
From my understanding, you just put the pistol in without changing anything to it,

The pistol is getting the trigger to reset because the slide pushes on the leg of the cam, the cam causes the other trigger to move forward like on the super safety

For more specific detail, I would ask the dev

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>>64893681
case in point: the suomi receiver
the lower portion is not considered a firearm yet it does everything the AR lower does, you can even install the original full auto trigger group just fine, but the empty tube above it that was destroyed literally just guides the bolt
so instead of the trigger group and the ability to install an autosear being what determines it being a machine gun, its the tube being the same internal diameter as the original, thats it