>>64865545
>wake up in bed
>intruder near doorway
>light switch near doorway because its a normal house
Where is your God now?

>>64865545
>I need it to id my target for home defense
>Ever heard of a light switch asshole?
A little too strong on the bait, anon, this used to be more believable a decade back or so but has been over used.

just say you're poor and move on, no need to make a thread

anon how long has it been since you started being such a kneejerk contrarian? did it start in middleschool?

do you even know WHY you feel the need to lash out at popular consensus?

>>64865562
It's cheaper than lunch to zip tie a cheap flashlight to a rifle.
>but a cheap flashlight is unreli
It's cheaper than lunch to zip tie TWO cheap flashlights to a rifle.

>>64865545
Stop projecting that you cant shoot at night anon. Not everyone is a suburbanite yuppie.

>>64865555
You sleep in bed with your gun bud?

>>64865559
Seriously, how likely do you think home intrusion is combined with no power. I understand a lot of you guys are preppers and to be clear I'm not saying "don't own a flashlight" but to have it on your gun at all times is a complete larp adding unnecessary weight to your already fatass builds.

>>64865567
I think the gun community has a deep internal sickness and decay and flashlights on every single build is just one minor manifestation of that sickness

>>64865578
I forgot that the real reason is that you guys have a compulsion to add every cheap little do dad abd gizmo to your gun

>>64865545
Noguns OP is big dumb.

>>64865594
>I think the gun community has a deep internal sickness and decay

no you're just mad that people take guns seriously, but not in the way you appreciate.

also how long have you been a contrarian? whats your opinion on cross-draw? is your only AR a 20" PSA with irons?

>>64865594
>You sleep in bed with your gun bud?
nta but yes, I do.

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>>64865545
You posted some ginormous one but on a rifle a small WML is a completely insignificant amount of weight. I have a pistol WML on my semi, perfectly fine for home defense or typical night usage (the occasional rabid animal/vermin mainly, which I'm shooting at <25yd at night not 100+ or whatever the big stuff goes).
>>I need it to id my target for home defense
>Ever heard of a light switch asshole?
This is retarded in multiple respects given the low cost and low weight. I actually do have a fully local smart home and full building battery backup (as well as redundant network UPS), all physically secure as well, so I really can and do easily have a "switch on all lights in <invader> mode" button and have high confidence in it 24/7/365. That's hardly the most common scenario though and depending on where you live power outages are pretty frequent, some friends across town are on a different electrical utility then I am and see them dozens of times per year. Someone can also choose to just try to take advantage of a big outage, and this is actually kinda predictable these days because big snow storms and ice storms tend to be reliably forecast quite a ways in advance. So it's not just random luck/guesses, if you want to hit a bunch of houses during an outage and you have a freebie android phone or something you can know and start preparing a week ahead.

If WMLs all cost a ton and weighed a ton then they'd need more value to justify themselves but since you can get some chinesium thing which is gudenuf for literally like $30 who cares? If you want to criticize larpers getting those $$$$ laser things sure though people can do whatever they want with a hobby imo as long as they don't go into debt for it.

>>64865594
It’s just bullshit to keep the economy chugging along. Don’t take it too seriously (like everyone else does, just look at all the armchair operators itt)

>>64865610
I think taking *guns* seriously rather than shooting and training is exactly the problem. Most gun guys in the culture today care a shit load about their build but go to the range maybe once a month if you're lucky. It's just a consumer hobby to them, and the flashlight like night vision is largely fashion.

>Cross draw
I think basically all concealed carry is also a larp. You don't need a gun to walk your dog or go to Costco. Acts like a safety blanket.

>AR builds
The first thing you guys always want to do is compare builds. I have 3 assembled ARs and 6 stripped lowers/ various parts optics etc.
1. Aero Lower, BCM upper, 16inch BFH barrel, usually have a Sig Romeo 8T on it.
2. PA-15 10.5inch pistol with Holosun 510c
3. Old ass XM-15 which was my first AR and has a fixed carry handle.


>>64865616
lol

>>64865683
A lot of these guys buy shit like this, don't pretend they don't.

>Smart home
To me this reads like you just have too much time and money and that every contractor in your town is putting their kids through college off of your insane level of preparedness for something that is absolutely not going to happen. I bet you live in the country too in a county that has less than 5 murders per year

>>64865703
That's fair, it's not hurting anyone but themselves.

>>64865555
I grab my 4 D cell Maglite, earpro, and .357 magnum, and get to work.

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>>64865545
Why do people plan to use rifle at home?

>>64865545
>Why the fuck does every AR build on the Internet have and treat a weapon light like it is essential?
Because it fucking is.
>>64865545
>How often are you night training, anon?
How often are people breaking into your house at noon? Fucking retard.

>>64865952
Why are there no modern flashlights with 90 degree heads?

>>64865952
Because why would I use a pistol? Handgun rounds are demonstrably weaker than even the weakest rifle round and I don't want the potentially armed, insane, and horny intruder to get a chance to get back up. At least not until I rape him first

>>64865545
I have a light on my primary AR. If anything I shoot it less than 6 times a year. I fully admit that the only reason I have a light on it is because I think it looks cool. I literally do not give a fuck what you think about that, come at me fag lmao.

>>64865545
>someone breaks into my house
>grab gun
>gun has a light on it
>cat 4 chimp out
>grab gun
>gun has a light on it
I only have a light on the one gun. range toy target rifles don't have lights

>>64865545
>>64865594
>>64865740
I'll answer sincerely. Most people buy ARs because they want to be prepared for some form of SHTF. Be it civil unrest, natural disaster, civil war, rioting, foreign invasion, alien communist zombies, etc. Are these things likely? Recently some of them have been feeling more and more likely every day, but the reality is no, probably not. However that doesn't mean these things are impossible, or that people shouldn't worry about them at all. If you own an AR for such purposes and you ever do have to use your AR in such a situation, then there is a good chance the bad stuff you're worried about will be happening at night and for that reason I'd argue that not only is it a good idea to have a light on your AR, but that it's actually mandatory.

You can argue all day how that's stupid, how it won't actually happen, how even if people own this stuff they're not training enough for it to actually matter and while all of that may be true, it doesn't change the fact that you don't actually know nothing will ever happen. Such things are possible and in fact DO happen in some places and at the end of the day paying $100 for a streamlight just isn't that much of a price delta for how much added utility a light on a gun can give you.

>>64865594
>You sleep in bed with your gun bud?
yeah, kind of

>>64865952
I don't like the concussion coming off my shotgun with an 18.5 inch barrel whereas the concussion off my AR doesn't bother me

>>64866150
Okay how about this happy compromise. Buy the light, but don't put it on the gun until the SHTF situation happens? What value do you get having all this SHTF larp shit on your gun. I am pretty sure you're going to have the 15 minutes warning that things are going sideways to attach your light and night vision if thats what it is supposed to be for.

>>64866159
>>64865616
Like a toddler taking his favorite toy to bed to sleep with, lmao.

>>64865952
you think I made this 7.5" pistol AR to use in my car? no its so I can stand sideways in my hallway and step out and blast someone while giving myself CTE, a follow up shot from this piece of shit is STILL easier then a handgun followup shot and will deliver more energy with a total of 30 rounds. I keep a green "hunting" light on it.

I wanna get a 11.5 Geissele upper but that shits 1k dollars and I just bought VR stuff lol

>>64866212
>adults have comfort guns

I genuinely see no problem with this... I mean I guess its unhealthy if you have a mental fucking breakdown if you don't have your gun.. but people on here put their cocks in their guns so...

>>64866224
I sleep in a big bed with my wife

>>64866295
Well good for you, I share mine with a cold, unfeeling machine that'd take the life out of me quickly instead of slowly

>>64865545
>Ever heard of a light switch asshole?
my bedroom doesn't have a light, my dining room light switch is on the far side of the room and my living room doesn't have a light.

>>64865545
People are idiots and do not realize that flashlights/lasers on firearms act as targets, even a terrible shooter who has never cleaned their firearm in your home can look at a big red or white light and go, "oh okay, shoot at that"

Also, regular people who are larping as soldiers and never wore a uniform do not understand that weight magnifies with distance traveled and time with the weapon in your hands

Dummies will read comments like this, attach the new light or light/laser combo (lol) and think "that guy doesnt know what hes talking about!!1 It's not that heavy!"

Yeah dumbass, you're in your living room

>>64865567
anon how long has it been since you started being such a kneejerk conformist? did it start in middleschool?

do you even know WHY you feel the need to lash out at marginal dissent?

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>>64865991
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>64866193
Can I keep the mount for the light on the gun? Or will that trigger you as well?
The mount is small and doesn't weigh much.

>>64866212
putting it next to my bed isn't really an issue
>>64866545
I don't have to turn it on all the time and my AR carbine with the light is my lightest most ergonomic gun

>>64865740
>A lot of these guys buy shit like this, don't pretend they don't.
...and? That's not what you argued in the OP, you said the entire idea of a WML was "pure larp" which is different from "it can make sense in some cases but a lot of people take it too far". Which, be honest anon, applies to LITERALLY EVERYTHING with guns. You can spend ludicrous amounts of money on even simple parts that give an extra 0.851% performance by some parameter for 10x the money if you really want to. It's totally reasonable to suggest to someone that xyz is a bad value or too niche or even that there are tradeoffs someone might not realize, that more doesn't actually always equal better.
>To me this reads like you just have too much time and money
Anon, you are now going into retard territory and making clear you are very prepared to talk a lot about things you don't really understand, and are trying to fit everything into this narrow preconception. I have zero concerns about LE SHTF idiocy fwiw.
>contractors
Not a thing.

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>>64865545
Lol, you talk like a fag and your shit's all retard. Fucking coward.

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I sure do love being able to see in the dark

>>64866793
sure those are cool but I'd rather have a cheap shit wml on my tractor gun then leave nods there all the time

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>>64865594
>You sleep in bed with your gun bud?
Do you not?

>>64866804
oh, for sure. my nods are purely fore larp.

A better question is: since NV LARP is so common, how come nobody makes a really good 4-in-1 for rifles? Rovyvon makes small ones for pistols and PDWs but rifles don’t have those size constraints. A LAM + light on the side is inelegant. It breaks symmetry, is heavier, and needs 2 switches and 2 batteries to stay on top of.

>>64866843
>my nods are purely fore larp.
Based. I don't know why people always treat "larp" as some sort of winbutton for their arguments, as if actually using your funs and just having a good time out innawoods is some sort of bad thing? It's like someone seeing somebody get a nice motorcycle or kayak or fancy hiking gear or something and going
>"oh you're just larping you're never going to be a professional sports racer all you're doing is getting out into the fresh air and light and having an awesome time seeing the sights of our great American nation what an idiot, heh"

>>64865555
Wasted digits. I have a huge ass flashlight next to me pistol in my nightstand that emits the power of the sun.

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>>64866852
they do

>>64866852
Industry moves slowly, isn't big on innovation, and there are coordination problems. What we really could use at this point is an electronic rail standard so you can just attach stuff wherever and have it efficiently powered off a single rifle battery in the stock or something that can be swapped like a mag and bring the mass close to your center of gravity. Then every accessory could be way smaller while lasting longer. Bonus points for an optional open simple serial comms standard too so stuff can be talked to, opening up the option for grip controls or whatever anyone can come up with.

WMLs and red dots on pistols are two of the most retarded things today in the gun world. WMLs are strictly for man children who played (or continue to play) video games. Fun fact: all a WML does is give away your position!!!

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>>64866879
>unc mad
get with the times

>>64865952
I don’t know. But it depends on the property and threat. For me it’s
>hear someone inside my house approaching my bedroom door, max 5 seconds to respond
Pistol in the nightstand
>banging on the door, maybe 10-15 seconds to prepare
Shotgun under the bed
>hear crowds of unruly demonstrators in the streets
Then I’ll bust out my rifle

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>>64866879
>Fun fact: all a WML does is give away your position!!!
>i totally stealth snipe people with my pistol from 20yd away

>>64866873
I said “a really good one” lol. But desu you’d think it might even be industry standard at this -pint for every LAM to be a 4-in-1. Pretty much everyone’s AR is configured with some LAM on top and a light on the side.

>>64866876
>closer to the shooter’s center of mass
Yup. All the sighting instruments should ideally be clustered on a hydra just above the magwell. This also eliminates the need for a stiff rail needing to hold zero, so it can be made of polymer of CF or whatever, further lightening the gun and moving the center of mass further back.

>>64866884
Keep playing video games kid

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>>64865594
>You sleep in bed with your gun bud?
Yes.

>>64866859
because there's a lot of people who don't want to admit that they're larping. I, for one, embrace it.
>>64866894
not him, but I will

>>64865545
Why do the dumbest poorfags always crash out over lights.
>uh I live in the city where everything is well lit always
good I hope you die there.

>>64866212
>he doesnt have toys either
You are a sad man

>>64866914
You are not a man

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shhh, they're sleeping

Also, why even have a optic? If you can't point shoot out to 25 yards, you might as well find a new hobby. Oh look Tyshawn Carter is in my house, he's 5 yards away and appears to be brandishing a weapon of some kind near my Samsung® OLED panel lol, thank goodness I practiced up drills at the range last Saturday - bringing my AR into my workspace and acquiring a sight picture through my EOtech® EXPS3-0™ to replace the mumble rap in his head with a 77gr Sierra® Tipped Match King™ felt much more tactical and cool than just naturally aiming the weapon and squeezing the trigger with the weapon light hot spot on him until he hit the floor with a comical thud.

>>64866911
>apartment has street lamps running all night. Lamp post is less than an arms reach from my bedroom window. Chink shit blinds barely block any light, really only good for privacy. Can see clearly all night. In summer time it’s bright as day by 7am. I’ve been meaning to put up some curtains, just haven’t had time.

These impressionable fatherless zoomers watch a Garand Dumb video and see he's got 7 attachments to whatever weapon of the month he's shooting, IR lasers, flashlights, battery holders, 2 different optics/magnifiers or whatever the fuck, and think it's really cool!!!

>>64866193
If you're in an SHTF situation, you likely won't have enough time to perform maintenance on your firearm. Long term situations, sure you'll have time, but most SHTF situations are no more than a couple of minutes. You won't have time to mount it without specifically tracking down a quick release mount.
It's far better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

Lol ypu can always tell the no gun larper faggots who have never cleared a building before.

Listen, even at full noon with open windows, there are still areas inside a structure that will be totally dark. The first time you walk into a room with no weapon light and have to check under a table will be the day you realize why the x300u-b is 300 bucks.
"Dont point the gun at things to illuminate em!" Buddy those good quality lights throw so many lumens you can bounce light off the floor in low ready and illuminate an entire deep corner.

>>64867081
>no gun larper faggots who have never cleared a building before.
I clear my house before bedtime, when I wake up in the morning, and then after lunch when I've had my tendies. We've got a big boy door kicker over here!

>>64867081
>The first time you walk into a room with no weapon light and have to check under a table will be the day you realize why the x300u-b is 300 bucks.
I still haven't figured that out considering streamlight is way better.

>>64867089
Because it doesnt shot out under recpil and throws a mucj more usable beam. Ive been through six streamlighs and only two surefires, and thats only because i sold the first one.

>>64867088
I seem to have gotten your attention, now READ nigger READ!!

>>64867104
>Because it doesnt shot out under recpil and throws a mucj
Are you having a stroke?

Anyway, I prefer surefire rifle lights but the x300u is garbage, I'll take a TLR-1hl every day instead.
>beam
Functionally the same
>recoil
Only light I've ever had shut off under recoil was a surefire m600df.

>>64867113
Calm down scooter

>>64867115
My chinkshit m640df clone handles recoil better than a surefire m640df. Sad!

>>64865545
Blokes who have served in an actual first world military laugh at civilians and failed American males who think they could do anything with such weapons. Using a gun in a military context is a field of study that requires professional training centres. Burgers who load up their gun to look like SOF are engaging in a humiliation ritual, simple as. And it’s usually connected to darker fantasies about being done type of domestic extremist / threat actor, so they deserve every bit of mockery that everyone heaps on their gun fetish, since the public at large is repulsed by such behaviours.

>>64867301
trash bait. consider killing yourself.

>>64867301
>blokes
>burgers
You've never seen a gun in your life.

>>64867301
>Blokes
ESL no gunz thirdie detected
not readin' that shit, saar!

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>>64865545
You have to understand that owning an AR in-and-of itself is a major LARP, although most folks are too insecure to admit it, so there's really no harm in throwing a light on there

>>64867306
>having a /pol/ meltie
So did Russia suffer another humiliation today, or did your favourite CP telegram get shut down again?
>>64867307
You’ve never seen a vagina in your life
>>64867313
>falseflag post trying to use the turdie meme in reverse
/pol/ and Russia/China shitskins can only copy, never innovate

>>64867316
It’s fine when civvies admit they are pretending, but it’s abhorrent when they try to act capable or threatening with an AR.

>>64867317
damn, this spammer sure is mad.

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>>64867317
false flagger! false flagger! are you mad your spam threads didn't work?

>>64867321
>gets called out for false flagging with turdie meme
>immediately starts false flagging with drone vids
You are too transparent at this. Tell Putin nobody fell for it.

>>64867318
Nah, it's fine when civilians do anything they want. Your opinion doesn't factor into it lol

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>>64867318
Pal the only threats I make with my AR are toward coyotes, deer, and hogs. I'm not interested in putting myself in a situation where I end up ventilating somebody or being ventilated by somebody

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>>64867325
lol what a fag

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>>64867325
>Tell Putin nobody fell for it.
no u, noguns

>>64867316
ARs are pretty much the best rifle for the money
>>64867317
bongs are not first world, ESL thirdie no gunz

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>>64867318
Please post timestamped proof of your own threatening capabilities with an AR that you own

>>64867331
why do you have brail on your gun?

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>Guys my AR15 is a Don't tread on me, Tricked out model with lights and lasers to fight Lizard People and set up a based and trad bug out homestead against the globohomos. Look at how anti-social and badass I am!!

*Gets mocked by everyone*

>No its just for deer I dont mean anything by it

>>64867347
>british opinions on guns
Nobody asked but I'm glad you offered your opinion so I can do the opposite of whatever you think is good.

>>64867347
NTA
but we get it. yuros aren't allowed to own guns because yurop is a third world country

>>64867347
>pic
it's funny because it's actually just you

>>64866876
>powered rail on guns
Anon, the scripture is clear; the end times are ushered in by the un-holy matrimony of the gun and the train autists
Revelations 17:1

>>64867756
for starters, it's Revelation, drop the s you communist.

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>>64866876
>electronic rail
Wilcox is way ahead of you

>>64866777
Digits, and based vintage Surefire. They have 2 upgrade LED heads for that now. Can change the light module without messing with the forend. Not saying you should, just they exist.

>>64868000
Also checked, and they both have lumenfactory heads inside

>>64865555
>Live in a 1st world country
>Don't have to sleep with a fucking AR

>>64867938
why are there 2 flash hiders?

>>64868150
the US is the only first world country. idk why you are posting in the middle of the night.

>>64867938
xD
Is this AI?

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>>64865545
>>64866552
>marginal dissent
You mean irritating condescension?

Dang, I have to go take the weapon lights off all my guns now. OP, I'm really sorry I didn't consider your perspective when I purchased and mounted my various weapon lights. Honestly, if I had known it would make you so upset, I wouldn't have bought them in the first place. Is there anything else you'd like me to know about how I set up my firearms? Please do let me know and I'll be sure to consult you in the future before making any firearm or gear related purchases. By the way, your mom said Streamlight is better than Surefire, but frankly I think she just prefers the lower price. Maybe next time I'll give her an extra $20 so she can save up for the X300.

>>64867104
Jeffrey is that you?

>>64868150
I don't sleep with my AR because I have to, I do it because I love it.

>>64865562
1: flashlights are cheap, the poor thing doesn't work
2: how would he just say he was poor without making a thread to do so
3: you're dumb, nigga

>>64868451
I love your sense of humor

>>64869380
the US is by definition the only first world country, thirdie. It's why there is an American flag on the moon and no third world flag on the moon, thirdie

i got to see what i'm missing

>>64865545
>How often are you night training, anon?
Do you think home invasions occur mostly during the day, or at night? Also fuck you, I do train at night.
>You're not clearing houses
That's where you're wrong, kiddo. What do you think a HD gun is?

>>64869387
Actually, by the original definition the amalgam referred to as "The West" are all first world countries. The oft-forgotten second world countries were the Soviet Union and its client states in the Warsaw Pact (probably also Red China). The third world was, originally, all of the nonaligned states at the start of the Cold War, a number which grew rapidly as European colonies became free states. The idea was that the first and second world were fighting to draw the third world countries into their respective spheres of influence, and thus ultimately win the Cold War.

The terms have lost their original meanings over time, hence your comment, but that doesn't make you look any less ignorant.

>>64870268
yurop is third world and not part of the west. the first world and the west just means the US

>>64868454
No, it's real, and it's from 2011.
Looking at it does make me think, however, that maybe instead of putting the batteries in the flashlights, maybe it could move some weight farther back, and possibly mean you didn't have to carry so many, to put the batteries into the tape switches instead.

>>64865545
A light and a sling are mandatory.

>>64866545
>look at a big red or white light and go, "oh okay, shoot at that"
>While blinded by a six million candle light and being shot at
Want to add some strobe to the party?

>>64866545
>Also, regular people who are larping as soldiers and never wore a uniform do not understand that weight magnifies with distance traveled and time with the weapon in your hands
Let me guess, you live on a five hundred acre plot and you're going to be patrolling twenty miles a night.
For people in suburbs sitting at makeshift roadblocks the extra 7 ounces a light adds is negligible.

i can't believe we have people going out of thier way to solve captchas to reply to this bait, this place really is just reddit

Friendly reminder that if youre in self defense shooting at night and your gun had a light on it, you might see prison time

>>64865545
>retard doesn't understand the element of surprise using a momentary pressure switch
You best be b8ing you nigger.

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>>64871243
Based post

>>64871132
even a sig romeo is a massive upgrade over irons for any form of practical shooting

>>64871243
>Friendly reminder that if youre in self defense shooting at night and your gun had a light on it, you might see prison time
that's retarded, and makes no sense.
tell, me retardo, probably a yuro retardo,
in which state is it illegal to preemptively arm yourself with a firearm inside your own home?
In which state do you have a duty to retreat inside your own home?

>>64866295
So do I, still have a gun withing arms reach. If you don't, then it really sounds like a skill issue on your part.

>>64871527
NTA, but I suspect his argument isn't that having a weapon light is per se illegal, but that a prosecutor would use it's presence to argue that you're some kind of freak who's spent his whole life waiting for a break-in so you could finally kill someone and get away with it. Depending on the state, a prosecutor doing this may in essence be trying to invite jury nullification of state self-defense law, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't try it.

>>64871952
it's not really relevant. per heller you have a basic human right to have a gun in your home. even shitty states like NJ have acknowledged in court that the second amendment explicitly protects your right to prearm yourself with a gun (or other weapon) inside your own home

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>>64867341
>bongs are not first world, ESL thirdie no gunz
Cry harder

>>64872031
I'm American, retardo

>>64871970
Actually, per Heller you have a basic *constitutional* right to have a gun in your home. Not all constitutional rights are human rights, and depending on who you ask not all human rights are constitutional rights.

>>64872124
rights don't come from the constitution, thirdie. Rights come from the Christian God

>>64872124
No, that is incorrect. All free men have an inalienable right to keep and bear arms.

>>64872148
So an invisible flying Jew is who says I’m allowed to protect myself? Burger say what?

>>64872371
Hm? No, you don't have rights, communist.

>>64872371
>no gunz thirdie thinks rights come from the government
it tracks that a slave would think the government has the power to give rights and take them away

>>64866852
4-in-1 is categorically worse if you have the railspace for a LAM plus dedicated white light. Because if you need to transition to white light it's better to just push a second button rather than deal with mode-switching on your LAM in the dark. On a flat range this is an annoyance, in a night match it'll cost you critical seconds, and in combat it's going to get you killed. Not saying that last one is going to be your or my primary concern, but it's absolutely the reason why LAM design has gone along the lines it has and why 4-in-1 modules are such an oddity.

>inelegant
>breaks symmetry
Who gives a fuck lol

Every 4-in-1 device I've ever used has been a serious performance/functionality compromise to accommodate limited space on a weapon.

>>64871527
Sorry I don't linger around shit threads so I didn't get a chance to reply to your braindead post.

Yes you have a right to arm yourself in your home, but you will still face a jury and a prosecutor. At which point shit can go any which way. Gun lights have complicated things before, is what I'm saying.

But I'm sure even this will just offend you somehow. Kill yourself with that gun.

Is there a reason why shouldnt i put a pistol light on ar15? I was thinking about putting my tlr7x on my ar tbhfamlams. It is light and small, and the light is more than enough.

>>64872663
show me one fucking court case where someone was convicted for having a light on his or her gun you no guns reddit spacing homosexual third world retard

>>64872668
No. It's a common sense attachment. Basically the mark of a civilian who doesn't larp enough to get into night vision, but does take shooting or home defense seriously. The military and SWAT use them too. There's not really a reason you wouldn't put a light on your gun unless you're a frontline soldier with night vision and they still seem to like lights.

>>64872668
The main reason not to use the TRL-7x specifically is it doesn't have a very high candela and it's a rifle and all so you want to be able to look at/shoot at stuff farther away. You can get very "throwy" pistol lights though.
It's certainly bright enough for inside of a house, of course. But juries get spooked when they find out you used an AR for home defense.
Of course, I wouldn't say don't use a pistol light it if that's what you have. Just that it's not meant to mount to m-lok directly and doesn't accept tape switches, which some people in their experience consider important if you want the muscle memory to shoot fast and accurately.

>>64872998
>But juries get spooked when they find out you used an AR for home defense.
source?

>>64872093
>I’m American

[X] Doubt


Boy howdy, here in Texas oblast I also like to spend hours impotently about UK whole babushka says to get a job))) a Boris Johnson and ten nato generals just flew over my house))))

>>64865545
bump in the night, PID target. I used to have my bump helmet and NVG staged with my rifle to ninja the scallywag but that was dumb.

>>64865555
>he uses an AR for home defense instead of a PCC
2016 just called, they’re looking for you.

>>64865895
fudd at heart

>>64873004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvroqXUfbWI
Yeah, it's more complicated, and yes it's an older study.
But it's also worth considering the liability from over penetration if you miss.

>>64865545
The absolute state of notrainings. This board is just sad.

>>64873058
Way to not watch the video.

>>64865952
there is. most high power headlamp taking 18650 battery are 90° bent. look at armytek or emisar

>>64865545
im far from the operator bullshit, but having mounted a flashlight to some airsoft gun for underground play, i kind of get it.
you get illumination, enemy blinding and direct light where your gun is pointing, meaning it is kind of a laser pointer, but wider
id say its like car headlamp, or bike headlamp; funs are kinda like that too; a directional tool benefit from having a colinear light attached to it
that being said, if i dont intend on shooting by night (or to larp), there is no point at all

>>64866859
i guess it is the honest response as to why you sink [big number]$ on something thought to be absolutely useless by most people (like nods, hazmat suits, gaz masks) - fun, toy but with lore

fuck the vpn blocking - so much shit id like to do without having my home ip leaked to disable it to post here and forget to put it back on
ill take 300 cooldown anytime to keep it on

>>64873184
>>64865594
>>64866545
you can get a decent light got like $100 and it's not like hanging the light out on the front of the gun like on a shotgun (which is also a pain because the shells hang out in the front and make them front heavy). Like my AR has a FSB so the light's on the handguard so it's only like 7 inches out, it's not forcing terrible leverage on the gun like it would be 20 inches out

People saying they don't understand WMLs in 2026 is like someone saying they don't get optics either. It's willful retardation, just let them blabber and don't engage.

>>64866193
Why are you actually upset over this shit, nigga?

>>64865545
ALL weapons are larp
If you want a weapon light you should join the military, no civilian needs one!

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>>64865545
>How often are you night training, anon?
I basically only shoot at night after getting nods and thermal

>>64873941
Instead of snarky bad faith arguments, can you provide a real life example, without resorting to movie references , of a civilian needing these type of aftermarket mods to successfully defend themselves?

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>>64874053
>defend themselves
A civilian needs one to positively identify the person in their home or the object in someone's hands
Otherwise the wrong person could be hurt or a jury could be swayed to think the defender was "trigger happy"(ask me how I know)
A light is not primarily intended for high-speed low-drag LARP fetishists, it is meant to remove every shadow of a doubt as to what you're aiming at.
If someone wants to add one to a rifle, what's the issue?

>>64873941
a brown yurothirdie post it I've ever seen one

>>64874053
>Accuses others of bad faith arguments
>Acts like it's a reasonable demand to source info detailing whether WMLs were used in DGUs or not, like this is something commonly covered
Gas yourself, kike, that's actually somehow worse than the tired revolverstan angle of demanding proof anyone shot more than 6 rounds in a DGU.

>>64874053
a red dot and a light arent major mods. I'd like to be able to see what I'm aiming at. before nods became common all of those sas and swat guys had white lights on their mp5s so they could id targets inside buildings where they might have mixed light.
a light is like $100 and on my gun at least it's pretty close to the receiver so it's less of a weight issue than the shells in a shotgun tube to me.

>>64874992
always thought people making those kind of retarded demands knew exactly they were asking for something that was near impossible at best to prove

>>64867317
You'd think the State Department would have better things to spend money on besides NAFO troons shitting up threads completely unrelated to Ukraine.

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>>64865545
This nigga doesn't go innawoods or have an outdoor range that he can practice in after dark

Grim, I was doing NVG/white light training with my handgun and rifles last night

>>64875443
It's really interesting how the SOCOM larpers who came to /k/ from /pol/ start getting bullied, they immediately start shitting themselves in fear over being bullied by bongs and cartoon dogs. This is somehow the exact things that ziggers screeched about time and time again. It is almost like they are the same people. Nobody would know who NAFO is remotely except for ziggers constantly shitting themselves and telling everyone how NAFO humiliated them.

>>64865545
I just switch out my TRL1 on multiple platforms.

i have a cute little angel nightlight in almost every room so i dont think its strictly necessary for me

>>64875443
It’s far too transparent when you complain about the people calling out pro-Russian spam but never about the pro-Russian spam itself.
>b-bu-but
No. Anyone who has spent an ounce of time in /pol/ can recognize the interlopers and cross posters.

>>64876386
nta, I honestly hate yuros more than Russians at this point just based on how fucking annoying yuroposters and yurojannies are on literally every fucking board. it's like a nation of Brazilians level annoying. I'm gunna start donating to those ngo groups that import browns into yurop just because I hate yuros that much

>>64865545
i have guns that i only shoot for fun and they don't have weapon lights. i point a floodlight at my target if it is dark at night, it is more fun that way.

i also have guns i carry in pitch black forests with bears and moose, so i have lights on those guns.
you often barely have time to draw when an animal charges, i prefer to not have to pull out a flashlight too

i imagine it is the same for a carry gun or home defense gun. you may be in a dark place and not have the time to dig a flashlight out of your pocket, and you may night have time to run from your bed or couch to both a lightswitch and the nearest gun.
these things happen very fast and gun lights save you time.

>>64865991
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/F8DoO6rxuFs

You're all sick people.
I hope you all get cancer. Fuck youse all.
I put a curse upon you all.
Fuck ya
mudda

>>64865991
i work in heavy industry with loads of hazmat materials and they still make 90 degree lights specifically for those environments, just as people use all other kinds of proven safe old equipment. those old style flashlights are extremely common

when i'm not at work my favorite light is a nebo mini larry which has the same functions except better and cheaper. they make lights with the same functions but they don't look the same because they are LED instead of filament.

>>64870268
mucho texto

>>64865545
I have one on my home defense gun, and that's the only one that has one. It is ungodly bright with a tight beam and I can even aim while hip firing with it if I need to. I have it because I'm reaching for my gun first if I hear shit, not the pull chain on my fan or the switches for my den which are halfway down a hallway 20ft from my bedroom door.

>>64876413
>reveals that he is mad at “euro jannies”
So the post pointing out you are a /pol/ crossposter shitting onto other boards is correct.

>>64876650
I generally dont post on /pol/ because it's shit now unless I want to dab on yuros or shit on jannies. /leftypol/ raids /k/ all the time, which is moronic because pretty much all gun owners are right wing and all lefties and yuros are anti gun and pro faggot.
now here's the part where you lie and try to say dems are pro gun even though new mexico and Virginia and the fact you live in yurop and dont own guns

>>64871952
You can't jury-nullify the defense, by definition it doesn't work like that. Jury nullification is when the defendant is guilty by statute but the jury returns a not guilty anyway.

>>64865545
If you own a weapon worthy of saving your hide, then you surely earn or can earn the $150-300 more dollars to attach something for in case it's dark. Because uh... half the time it's dark
>light switch
I'm not showing Mr. B&E where I am. I'm either holing up with my rifle pointed at the door, or going after him and not revealing where I am till it's time to stop him. Either way, it's retarded to not do so. Even a $30 aluminum-body WalMart light taped to the handguard is better than nothing if you have to whine about the price. Way to out your sour grapes about it. I'm sure the burglar will clang-bang around loudly and cast Scooby doo shadows just for you, since it's so unfair.

>>64865545
because 99% of modern firearms enthusiasts are just military larpers who copy whatever current thing the military does. why do you think the trend constantly shifts from mk18 to recce? blame fps video games also.

>>64865555
> muzzle flash and sound leave your undilated pupils and earproless drums in disarray.

>>64866859
its a winbutton when you call out the people who are in denial about it. Think the guys who justify their purchases with wildly implausible SHTF scenarios.

>>64866852
I get the convenience factor youre describing by having one device instead of two, but why would you want a flashlight if you're running nods anyways? When you consider that IRL military applications are what drive "innovation", and that they don't see the point of having bright white WMLs when the whole point of a NV setup is discretion, it makes sense that a bundled illuminator thingy would be low on the priority list.

>>64867350
>>64876413
Why Russians are doing this exact shtick in multiple threads using same spelling? It is always some variation of:
>I am American
>I hate yurop
>Russua isn’t so bad
Do ziggers think they can consensus crack everyone’s support of NATO by pulling the “am American” tricks??

>>64879261
Frankly, I've not hated Slavs of either flavor quite like I've hated some of the dregs I've seen here on /k/, especially post-war. I'll break bread with any of them on any given Sunday WAY before I go to another NuggetFest. Tourism has slid this board down the shitter. "Pidor" this, "zigger" that, but some of these nogunz niggers are absolutely insufferable.

>>64865545
I have a light on my main AR that I keep with me on my property in the piney woods of east Texas. I’m not doing socom shit, I just like knowing what’s making a racket in the woods. On a couple of occasions, it’s prevented me from stepping on snakes that are out after dusk so there’s that. I have also used my rifle in a home defense situation in the dead of night and having the lumens to light up a parked car on the road middle of the woods was hugely beneficial given the situation.

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>>64879188
>why would you want a flashlight if you're running nods anyways?
>they don't see the point of having bright white WMLs when the whole point of a NV setup is discretion
This is an impressively dunning kruger post, anon.
The military has an overwhelming preference for mounting a dedicated white light in addition to an MFAL. They have fielded 4-in-1 devices in the past and they were failures (IE PEQ16).

>>64865545
Just how poor are you? even I can afford the aliexpress scoutlight, you need to sell your dragon dildo collection today and follow the META

>>64880327
SOF is not normal infantry

>>64879261
why ukrainian draft dodgers are posing as poles in every thread when the polish-lithuanian commonwealth had to fight off all the various ukrainian turkic khanate hordes for centuries before russian moscovites said I'll handle this and created ussr?

>>64879261
I'm American you no gunz thirdie. the yurop spelling dates back to threads on /sp/ from like 16 years ago where we made fun of you fags for watching soccer and drinking semen. they date back from the little ben threads.
also yuros act annoying on like every board. they do their America hate shit on /lit/ /his/ /int/ and /tv/.
>>64879490
we need a board split. /k/ for private ownership of small arms and /thirdie/ for all the no gunz war threads shit.

>>64865952
a rifle or shotgun is infinitely better to grab than a pistol
and unless you carry your pistol on you even at home and in bed then you have time to grab a rifle if you have time to grab a pistol

Half the reason you own a gun is for self defence, even if you never fire a shot in anger.

There's no point having a gun if you aren't holding it when you need it, hence CCW/EDC/duty pistols.
But there's equally no point if you can't aquire a target at all, at night.

And there aren't many people who would attack you in broad daylight, but a compelling reason why if you were attacked, in your home, that would tend to be at night.

Without a light you have serious, serious problems.
>is this a burglar or a drunk friend
>is my wife standing/lying behind the person i am shooting at
>is there anything I'm likely to fall over

Lights cost nothing, if you had to you'd duct tape a flash light of any kind onto your rifle, shotgun, any gun. Issue one is your gun, issue two is seeing what you're doing.

And then you get into flashlights with proper buttons, made for rifles. Huge advantage
And then lights with strobe, significant advantage.
And then lights with integrated red lazer, ir, uv designators, sensors, spectrum.

If you're trained these tactical advantage can be absolute, you win every single time. Burglar breaks window, enters dark room, you immediately shoot them from wherever you're standing before they can even point their gun at you. You have someone held up in a hallway, stalemate, you strobe them and they can't tell if you're breaking cover, probably mag dump at nothing, can't work out if you're high or low. If they have no ammo, you win. If you both draw on each other and you blind them, they fail to hit centre mass, you win. If you're standing in a corner with a red dot, you see someone crossing the red dot, mag dump them with the flash light on, you win.
It's not at all uncommon that criminal shoot accomplices in the dark, in confusion.

So yes, it really is that important.

>>64879751
>I've pointed my WML at things that didn't require a WML

>>64866150
we're occupied by a foreign country that arrests and kills people who point it out anon, of course its possible

>>64883812
what are you talking about, retardo?

>>64865545
>Why

De-escalation option and carrying one separately, it's bound to get lost. Entering unlit interiors in daytime without power, the eyes aren't adjusting fast enough. And 2A isn't about your personal selfish protection primarily - aside the absolute right to self-defense of one's person and property - the range pony argument is always bad faith.

>>64880676
>we need our own sub as a safe space
The cherry on top of this /pol/ contrarian humiliation meltdown. You are brown btw

I am at home 80% of time and we have lights. I also wouldn't shoot rifle inside of my apartment, gun is enough to make me and the intruder deaf already.

wait, hold up intruder, lemme turn the lights on first, okay

I'm building my first AR15 rn and my light + laser arrives today. You aren't even wrong, OP. I just like the look, feel, and weight. Hopefully will compliment the silencer when I get around to that

>>64885423
I've proven I'm white multiple times. unlike you, you dickless gunless war tourist thirdie

>>64865895
Earpro & .357 are overkill, just brain him with the Maglite

>>64866150
>Most people buy ARs because they want to be prepared for some form of SHTF.

This is the issue, by and large.

“SHTF” is distinct from a straightforward self defense situation, or a home invasion, where most people would purchase shotguns (or handguns where there are more permissive gun laws). Everyone gets this.

The problem is, what is an “SHTF”? Common law in the west generally describes defending yourself against immediate bodily harm. But how do we know when it’s “SHTF”? It is largely an internet phenomenon driven by sites that do not uphold a standard on the information they are sharing.

You can see where this becomes a destabilization vector, when there is this separate, paramilitary form of self defense called “SHTF”, which is announced on internet sites, and can create a distributed set of issues where people show up at certain locations with military style weapons looking for movie style action figure battles. Even more troubling is the fact that anyone, including foreign bad actors, can just post an incitement article online in the US with zero oversight.

>>64865594
>You sleep in bed with your gun bud?
>Gun
>Singular
Do we tell him? With the new cozy bed frame AR mount I've even managed to cut down on the crowding

>>64886313
An example of how this can spread from the US to impact allies occurred a few years ago. The Breitbart / RT / InfoWars community in the US was publishing disinformation about 5G cell towers being linked to the pandemic. This distributed information attack, which started online in the US, caused physical attacks on infrastructure not only in the US, but also in the United Kingdom.

>>64886313
>This is the issue, by and large.
>
>“SHTF” is distinct from a straightforward self defense situation, or a home invasion, where most people would purchase shotguns
Shotgun sales are way fucking down. Most people are buying handguns or ARs for home defense. The shotgun thing is because prior to the 1990s most people hunted so they had a shotgun in their home anyway for hunting and because prior to the 1980s ccw movement and 1994 awb gun culture was way more fudd based and and just more people had shotguns and manual action rifles compared to today. People don't hunt as much and post 2008 handgun bans and the general attack on handguns are no longer a thing. like 20 years ago harris supposed a handgun ban in SF and 35 years ago there were legit pushes for a nation wide handgun ban.
ARs are better for home defense and people's choice of gun usually is based on where they live and the local culture. people living in apartments or cities usually get handguns to save on room
Also ARs are literally the best centerfire rifle for your money if you don't care about terminal performance on an animal. They are light, accurate, reliable and cheap so if you wanted a target rifle you choice is basically a .22lr or an AR

>>64886313
>>64886317
what country are you from? you are writing like a paid foreign shill who wants an awb

>>64886329
>everyone who disagrees with me is paid
Cope

>>64886338
>>everyone who disagrees with me is paid
yes, unironically
no American would write like that

>>64865594
>You sleep in bed with your gun bud?
Literally yeah. I always have a pistol in my bed because I like to fall asleep finger fucking it, and my AR, with a flashlight on it, is resting between my bed and my nightstand. Youre a fucking noguns nigger who will be raped in the darkness by an intruder because you didnt want to spend $100 on a flashlight.

nigger

>>64867318
*Whew* good thing I have an XCR and none of this applies to me :3

>>64865594
>You sleep in bed with your gun bud?
Pistol under the pillow, shotfun by the nightstand, pcc at arm's reach, sometimes ill get the ar out and keep him at the foot of the bed.

>>64865545
>you have to aim at noises when something weird wakes you up, just like we did at Khe Sanh
Total boomer death

>>64885758
I'm in the same exact spot , im building a PDW m4 and it is the most satisfying thing ive ever done. I cant wait to get my suppressor

>>64865545
Light makes sense on a home defense build as a final target identification before pulling the trigger just to make sure it isn't someone you know.

>>64894511
Let's be honest for a minute. Lights are fucking retarded on guns. The person trying to kill you doesn't give a fuck about the rules. Your light is a locator beacon for them and a very easy target to shoot at. You aren't going to blind anyone before they unload a magazine directly at your light. If a guy like in the senecio above is standing in a dark doorway and you are hiding in the dark your light snapping on just gave him the advantage. Aim for the center of the bright light and unload. It's basically a go button for criminals. Officers get shot all the time this way. Even worse in everyday use people who supposedly believe in the rules are now flagging people with gun lights. It's dumb. He's in a dark doorway. You are in a dark room. Why would you give up that advantage. You say to id them? He doesn't have to id you. He's just going to shoot. You lose.

>>64894545
I think seeing somone and then flashing to strobe with a CQ rifle would be the fastest way to disorient a criminal and subdue him

>>64894594
Not even remotely. It's an adrenaline filled confrontation. It's not remotely disorienting. It's just someone shooting at a strobe light. It's a common misconception. When done correctly to disorient it's done as a team movement. It involves loud noises, flashing lights from multiple directions. The entire point would be to make the target not know what direction the attacking is coming from. Moving at someone with a strobe light center mass on just presenting a flash target.

>>64894594
You have the light. Instead of believing the salesman try it. Take the light off the gun. Have a buddy stand in a dark hallway. Come around the corner in the dark and have him snap on the strobe at you. I've done paintball in houses with the lights off. The guys with lights get dumped fast.

>>64877512
>> muzzle flash
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYsnGre3vjs

>>64865594
>He doesn't sleep with his favorite shotgun
faggot

>>64865555
how do you find your bed if you have to shut the light first?

>>64894545
>Your light is a locator beacon for them and a very easy target to shoot at
>It's basically a go button for criminals. Officers get shot all the time this way
Okay post one time where it happens.

>>64868150
>Don't have to sleep with a fucking AR

You mean you don't GET to you fucking faggot. I have the blessing of being able to kiss my guns on the lips every night before I go to bed and know they will be there in the morning because I take good care of them.

>>64865594
A flashlight makes it too heavy for you. You should ditch the guns and lift some weights.

I guess you’ve only ever used a gun in a controlled environment. A flashlight is always handy to have just like carrying a knife or a multitool on your person.

Join the military or law enforcement and you’ll understand lights on weapons.

>>64865740
Concealed carry is stupid because something may not happen? How about carry because something may happen.

Your comment about assuming someone lives in Pleasantville is as ignorant as your OP.

Some of us may live in Memphis or another nig filled city where violent crime and homicides are common. So, yeah. I sure do carry when I go to Costco or wherever I choose. You can be the dipshit getting robbed and then ass fucked by Tyrone and friends.

>>64894545
>Let's be honest for a minute. Lights are fucking retarded on guns
no nigga admit you are retarded and dont know what the fuck is coming out of your mouth.

>>64865952
Ar15 has very little recoil feel so in a high stress situation their is less fear of getting off target. Shotguns while better in close range also have a deceptive recoil that in a situation of significant stress like shooting a home intruder can cause aiming issues.

>>64866545
I really think you have never actually seen a weapon light ever in your life. 1k lumens is blinding

>>64895825
Post guns

>>64895610
Here. Simple search.
This one is about officers having accidental shootings using weapon mounted lights
https://www.denverpost.com/2014/06/07/gun-mounted-flashlights-linked-to-accidental-shootings/
Here is one where the suspect shot the fuckng light
https://www.streamlight.com/news_let/16_q1/savedlife.htm
There are plenty of examples. You have to scroll through hundreds of not thousands of articles covering wrongful death shootings, nds by police from using lights to get to them
Lights on guns are retarded.

>>64895914
>being able to see is retarded
I don't believe that you are serious

>>64895914
>CRIMINALS CAN SHOOT AT THE LIGHT

>one story about cops with lights shooting other people accidentally
>other story is a criminal hiding in a closet and magdumping when a cop opened the door
So none about criminals shooting at the light, got it.

>>64895927
Hiding in the dark in a closet and shot directly at the only thing he could see when the door opened. The light shining at him.
Continue to be retarded. I couldn't care. What experience do you have? None. Post guns or gtfo

>>64895935
>he wouldn't have shot if there wasn't a flashlight
you are not serious

>>64895942
Post guns

>>64895948
sorry bro, but it's very obvious that you are being disingenuous. I would know. sorry for ruining your fun. not really, I find it pretty funny.

>>64895935
>>64895914
>waiting to see a light
>not mag dumping into sounds
no gunz thirdie detected

>>64895935
>The light shining at him
Nowhere in the story does it mention that the light was on. They could've just started firing the moment they heard the sound of the door opening.

>>64865895
>flashlight
>ear pro
pffft you yungins are fucking PUSSIES. just eat carrots and get used to the ringing

>>64877512
most people that own an AR already have a suppressor; legal or not. I mean you can buy a "oil filter" kit on amazon for like 20 bucks; and its quite literally a suppressor ready to go.

>>64895964
Post guns

>>64896062
after you. you show me yours and I'll show you mine

>>64896079
Samefag from multiple threads vomiting uneducated parroted opinion with not guns. Next you say thirdie and refuse to post again. You have to be 18 to post here. Post guns.

>>64896103
I'll show you mine if you show me yours, thirdie. IDK why you are even seething, you know I own guns, you've seen 2 of them, thirdoid

>>64865545
I use mine for shooting in the evenings, makes thing so much easier to see

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>>64895897
even better I actually work with firearms and own them you fucking nigger.

>>64897955
Nta but
>no time stamp
those arent your guns, homosexual

>>64898024
can you not read? lets read nice and slowwwwww.
I work with firearms AND own them. digganob

>>64898063
>no time stamp
no, you dont, you shitskin tranny

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>>64898090
>wahh wahh you arent posting the way i want
okay now go cry you actual nigger.

>>64898236
>no timestamp
>picture taken off of reddit
this is embarrassing for you, troon. you obviously have no guns and no dick in your country

>>64894707
Actually take a leap of faith from the doorway in the general direction of my bed.

>>64865562
Flashlights are cheap as shit. That’s not a reason anymore.

>>64865594
Honest answer, a flashlight is relatively cheap and can’t hurt to have. Needing a HD gun in the first place is an extreme rarity. Needing an AR or similar over literally just any gun that fires is even rarer. You’re already planning for an extremely extremely unlikely event, why not go all the way and add a light? What if you take your HD rifle outside at night? Again, rare, but not everything will be inside the home with the power on.

>>64865740
> I think taking *guns* seriously rather than shooting and training is exactly the problem
Why is this mutually exclusive? The guy who doesn’t shoot now isn’t going to go shoot more often because he took a light off his gun or uses iron sights.

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>>64865991
Why are you unable to use google?

>>64866193
Okay how about this happy compromise. Buy the ammo, but don't put it in the gun until the SHTF situation happens? What value do you get having all this SHTF larp shit in your gun. I am pretty sure you're going to have the 15 minutes warning that things are going sideways to load your mags.

>>64866545
> never cleaned their firearm in your home can look at a big red or white light and go, "oh okay, shoot at that"
No, they will be blinded. If someone’s eyes are adjusted to the dark they literally can’t look at a couple hundred lumen light.
>that guy doesnt know what hes talking about!!1 It's not that heavy!"
why does the weight for my HOME defense gun matter for outside the home? Are you so poor you can only afford 1 gun?

Better yet, post a single gun you own.
>inb4 serial number cope

>>64866777
Trips of truth. How do you like those stocks?

>>64866859
It’s usually jealousy. Either that they don’t have whatever cool item it is (guns, NODS, cars, boats, whatever) or jealousy that someone is having fun and messing around.

>>64867317
Woman tier argument. Expected based on your heritage

>>64868150
You mean GET to sleep with an AR. The cold embrace of metal and polymer is more stable and comforting than a w*man

>>64865545
If you have NODs you get a IR light
If you dont you buy a white light

>>64871952
> but that a prosecutor would use it's presence to argue that you're some kind of freak who's spent his whole life waiting for a break-in so you could finally kill someone and get away with it.
This is nothing but retarded fuddlore. I’ve heard variations of this for damn near 20 years on various gun forums and yet not one single example ever comes up. There are a million or more DGUs annually. Tens of thousand involved shooting an attacker. Surely there would be ONE example of a case like this.

I can spin any gun or any accessory to look “bad”. That doesn’t mean it’s true or would gain any legs in a case. Better yet, why is a HD shooting going to court in the first place?

>>64872371
>not free not Christian man tries to lecture us
It’s cute when europoors get uppity

>>64865545
because when we have to go to war against our tyrannical government we'll have to run guerilla night ops to win #donttreadonme #redordead #praisetrump

>>64873004
This>>64873047 is complete horseshit. Yes the description is accurate but it’s
>a mock jury
>of college students
>where they ask for what the prison sentence should be
The study was set up to presuppose guilt. It didn’t give the chance for a “trial” where they’d argue grandpappys ole double barrel vs mall ninja AR15. That’s the biggest issue without even getting into how unrepresentative the sample of college pre law students are vs the general population.

We have hundreds and hundreds of thousands of real defensive shootings. Why don’t we look at those for where the choice of gun mattered? Oh, it’s because it never has.

>>64873047
>But it's also worth considering the liability from over penetration if you miss.
Doesn’t matter for any practical purpose. A pistol would will penetrate as many interior walls a a 5.56 round. Once it goes through an exterior wall any bullet will be tumbling and shedding velocity quickly. It won’t have enough energy to do much.

Also I’m curious, can you find a single example of a homeowner hitting a bystander in a shooting. I’ve tried and can’t.

>>64877512
>muzzle flash and sound
Nigger in the current year + 11 you can get a good quality suppressor for $500 and wait times are down to days. If you don’t have one you are lazy.
>t use to be lazy up until a few years ago
The NFA hassle really isn’t a big deal.

Also
>inb4 muh prints and muh registry
The government already knows you own guns, already has your fingerprints. It doesn’t change anything.

>>64902497
>Better yet, why is a HD shooting going to court in the first place?
nta and your argument is good, but some do go to court
>>64902502
cooked that hog

>>64902507
how is the transition going, no gunz?

>>64902518
Fish, but that whole thing was bullshit and got overturned, though Fish did lose part of his life
>>64873047
Paul and the arfcom fat did videos on this
tl;dr, anything that meets the FBI's penetration standard will over penetrate. that said, 5.56 is so low mass that provided you hit the guy, it's not going to have much energy left after it goes through the guy and a wall

>>64902550
>tfw no NFA state

>>64886313
You talk like a bitch. Also shotguns have been falling out of favor for 20 years, with good reason. They’re heavier, longer, recoil more, carry fewer rounds, and are less versatile against humans.

>>64886338
>doesn't deny being a foreigner
No American sounds like you. Just admit it faggot.

>>64894545
>The person trying to kill you doesn't give a fuck about the rules
Lucky for me, neither do I
>Your light is a locator beacon for them and a very easy target to shoot at.
Anon go into a dark room and shine a flashlight in your eyes. Report back with your findings.

>>64895914
>You have to scroll through hundreds of not thousands of articles covering wrongful death shootings,
So then it should be easy to find right? You didn’t even find two. The first is an accidental shooting. The second he hid in a closet at shot at them when they came in. The light didn’t ID them. Everything else did.

>>64902574
Didnt apply even with Fish. Fish got fucked because the judge allowed speculative character statements about Fish but not about the guy he shot who had a violent history. He allowed the prosecution to present a “ballistic expert” that said the attackers arms were raised in a defensive posture and he was surrendering, but didn’t let Fish’s defense present an equivalent expert that arms raised meant he was attacking with his arms out. Fish also hurt himself by firing a warning shot into the ground and giving a poor statement of events to the cops (can’t remember off the top of my head what he said).

It was never about the 10mm. When the judge and prosecutor collude against you, you’re fucked, and the gun choice doesn’t matter. Your only hope is appeal, which happened eventually. That’s a small comfort and I feel really bad about what happened to him, but it wasn’t because he had a scary gun.

>>64902570
>but some do go to court
Yeah I won’t deny they do. But it’s extremely rare. And WHY do those go to court? Is it because of questionable circumstances surrounding the shooting or because they used an AR over a revolver? My money is on the former.

>>64903362
fucking shotgun sales are in the shitter and that even includes all of the mall ninja meme shotguns that are currently being pushed.
Shotguns are obviously effective, but they got their reputation due to police use and because people used to hunt so they owned shotguns because they hunted and handguns and semi auto rifles weren't as common before heller and the awb.
Like idk how many m1 carbines were made after the fact, but there were only 6 million made during WWII and not all of them ended up back in the US. Mossberg alone sold more than 6 million mossberg 500s. Also, before the recent straight wall cartridge push that happened in the last 15-20 years, 1 in 3 hunters lived in a jurisdiction that banned the use of rifles to hunt durr. So shotguns were really just ubiquitous back when they were popular and like you said, they've fallen out of favor

>>64903453
could also just be a faggot ass state/DA

>>64904098
Sure, but there are still hundreds of not thousands of HD shootings EVERY YEAR in those faggot ass states with faggot ass DAs. If even 1% of those were going to trial on otherwise good shoots, we’d hear about it somehow.

>>64867938
Reminds me of those CoD games where each slot in the rail had copper contacts to delivery power.
It would be interesting to see with batteries housed in the grip or stock.

a WML and an optic is enough.
LPVOs are the best option.

Anything else is overkill and LARP.

It's even more hilarious when you see 500$+ of tacticool accessories on a fucking .22
>be at the range
>guy next to me pulls up his case with an AR rifle
>Eotech optic, magnifier, custom furniture, bipod, flashlight, easily over 3000$ setup
>see magazine
>it's a fucking 22LR

Why do people do this ? I get that 22 is cheap but why LARP this much ? Money obviosuly isn't an issue with this guy so why waste all that money ?

>>64907346
red dots are better than LVPOs/magnified optics unless you are worried about red dawn/mad max tier shit
>>64907360
might be practicing with cheaper ammo, but like you said, it's kind of dumb to spend that much on a .22 and not just buy more .223 for practice

>>64907506
>red dots are better than LVPOs/magnified optics unless you are worried about red dawn/mad max tier shit
I have a red dot on my AR but I want to go hunting so it's not good enough because I lose vision beyond 25 yards.

>>64909152
what the fuck are you hunting? You know people used to do combat and hunt with irons right? red dots don't have worse range than irons

>>64909181
You don't like shooting beyond 50yards when hunting?

>>64909198
people used to hunt with irons for centuries. I've shot high power matches with irons. there's no way a red dot is worse than irons. the only advantage I can think of that irons have compared do red dots is if you are shooing a known distance red dots usually don't have any bdc or easy range change feature beyond fucking with your zero, where as irons may or may not have that feature.

>>64909152
>I want to go hunting so it's not good enough because I lose vision beyond 25 yards
That’s a you problem, not a dot problem. Obviously a magnified scope is a superior choice for hunting and I won’t argue against that. But saying you can’t use a red dot past 25 yards is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. How bad is your eyesight?

>>64865555
B8ing retard OP BTFO by digits and FPBO

>>64865594
>>64866212
>You sleep in bed with your gun bud?
Leave or lurk.

>>64911368
>>64909214
>How bad is your eyesight?
I wear glasses.

>>64866545
I have a fuckin Streamlight that genuinely hurts to look at from home defense ranges and its not even the brightest WML by a longshot..

but you know what else also blinds and debilitates my target? the high velocity 5.56 projectiles coming in at extreme repetition that will be pummeling his center mass as I've instantly ID'd my target as nobody that belongs in my house at 3 AM without having to flip on a hallway light and reveal myself. I can walk around my house in complete darkness, they cannot... my pressure switch even has a dazzle if I double squeeze it so have fun getting strobed while I shoot you to death

>>64912750
Ok. Why does that make you incapable or using a red dot past 25 yards? I can shoot fairly accurately at that range with a pistol and a dot.

>>64865545
lol poorfag

>>64865545
Because weaponlights blind and make a great deterrent in quick shoot no shoot situations in low to no light.

Had two break in attempts (one was armed crack heads from across the town decided to migrate into the wrong town, the other was a drunk DV situation where the woman was banging on the door half her hair missing, face completely bruised and right eye shut blood out of her nose and mouth and the guy took a baseball bat to my door and tried drawing a pistol before bolting.)

Both involved yes my lights coming on, but when you can't see what you want to shoot at its fucking hard to fight. Both times I got to the point of shooting but they already gave up.

This has been demonstrated tons through video and personal 1 on 1 demonstrations using simulations and airsoft.

Weaponlights are a requirement. PERIOD.

The only time I didn't have a weapon light? Attempted car jacking. Guess how that went? Had to fucking ventilate the shithead as he got rounds off and almost domed me.

>>64907506
Especially when 22lr conversions and cheap FMJ .22lr is available for AR15's.

I run a CMMG kit in my AR half the time when i'm doing night shooting (w/pvs14) since I dont have enough land to not wake up neighbors with 5.56.

>>64866852
>Rovyvon makes small ones for pistols and PDWs but rifles don’t have those size constraints.
didnt the gl5 pro fix that? even has a pressure

>>64866193
I'm going to keep my light on my range AR and there's nothing you can do about it nigger