>>>/tv/

>>64876926
Disruptors shoot a plasma of antiprotons. Phasers shoot a beam of nadions, a fictional exotic subatomic particle that dismantles the atomic structure of matter it interacts with, causing those reactions to also release some nadions, further dismantling nearby atoms. A very small amount can cause immenes shock to an organic system causing a knockout, an adequate amount disintegrates an human, and even larger amount disintegrates more. It can also be “phased” to cause other reactions and therefore is useful at other things. Disruptors just convert matter to energy. Less useful bu supposedly outright more powerful as a weapon.

>>64876946
>Less useful bu supposedly outright more powerful as a weapon.
That goes for ship-scaled disruptors, but most hand-disruptors are actually hard-locked to intensity settings less powerful than the highest settings on your typical hand phaser.

>>64876926
Phaser can be used as a tool that can ALSO fucking kill you meanwhile a Disruptor just REALLY FUCKING KILL YOU.

>>64876946

Supposedly some disruptors have a stun setting, but I'm not sure how that would work. Maybe just such tiny amount of plasma that it shocks someone?

>>>/toy/

>>64876946
>fictional
Just because it's not yet understood, doesn't mean it's not real.

>>64877058
Unlike Minovsky particles, nadions are totally real.

>>64877025
Romulans take no prisoners, they have no need for a stun setting. They are without honor.

a phaser is a civilized weapon for the good guys (symbol of the united states), a disruptor is a malicious weapon for the bad guys (symbol of japan, perfidious albion, the USSR, china, the shape shifting jews, or germany, depending on the episode)

>>64877058
>>64877061
If memory serves, Roddenberry chose nadion particle launchers instead of lasers when the scientific consultant informed him lasers didn't work the way they did in The Cage. Precisely because no one knows what nadion energy actually does.

>>64876946
>Disruptors shoot a plasma of antiprotons.
I'm no egghead but isnt anihilating a dude's weight worth of mater bad? like a mass extinction event size explosion bad?

>>64877193
Disruptors don't dissolve the target, they punch holes in it with pretty massive collateral damage to surround soft tissue in living organisms. There are a couple episodes over the various Treks that discuss why disruptor wounds are very difficult to nearly impossible to treat medically.

>>64876946
>Disruptors shoot a plasma of antiprotons.
Not disputing the canon here, seems legit from what I remember. However, I would think that a disruptor shot would unleash a fuckton of energy along its path through any decent atmosphere. I guess rather than a (dense) "stream" of anti-protons, it would be more a this "package," probably delivered inside a plasma bolt. Would maintain integrity through atmosphere with fairly minimum interaction, but the encasing plasma bottle would dissipate upon encountering a more solid object, at which point it would only take very few anti-protons to deliver a devastating mini-antimatter explosion, with fucktons of of near-lightspeed particle radiation blasting into everything surrounding the impact point.

>>64876926
>What is the difference between a phaser and a disruptor
Whatever the writer decides at the time as the plot demands
>why is the Federation the only one to use the former
No they aren't. Plenty of Alpha Quadrant species use phasers aside from the Federation, Ferengi, Bajoran and Cardassians for example. Disruptors are more a Beta Quadrant thing.

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>>64877046
>>64876929
No because it's real.

>>64877527
I thought Cardassians used phasers on their ships and disruptors for their soldiers. The thought being that ships need to do a lot of things as well as fight, while if you pull a gun on someone, you mean harm.

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>>64877537
They have a mix including handheld phasers. Annoyingly the writers will often refer to them as both disruptors and phasers sometimes in the very same episode. Generally though the rifle is referred to mainly as a disruptor but the sidearm version is called a phaser.

>>64877193
Who knows.

It may only fire 1.4x10^16 antiprotons (which convert with regular protons to equal about 1kg of tnt or 1.35lbs of rdx) sheathed in an electromagnetic carrier. The output could vary quite a lot I imagine. But it’s up to the script writers to determine what needs to drive the story.

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>>64877544
Blurred Cardassian phaser for reference.

>>64877544
Kira was such a bitch.

>>64877551
Always loved how a 105lb 5’3” Kira could double fist punch her way through a 6’8 290lb klingon.

>>64877551
The more the show subjects you to the Bajorans the more you learn that the Cardassians did nothing wrong. Hell even Voyager wasn't safe from the antics of the Bajorans.

>>64876946
>Phasers shoot a beam of nadions
I thought that "phaser" was a "PHoton mASER", i.e. it shoots photons via magnetic acceleration. Or was thing something that the trek writers altered?

>>64877563
Thank fuck she didn't use her armpits. Bajoran armpits are known to be able to knock a Cardassian out cold.

>>64877590
The Bajoran resistance would lift their armpits after a long day, and the spoonheads would come around the corner floating by their noses like in a cartoon. Then Bajorans would simply catch them in an ambush. It is detailed in the Bajoran's Cookbook.

>>64877570
It’s a phased nadion beam. The fiction is that nadions make atoms fly apart into their subatomic components (plasma), with some nadions also being an emission from such a bombardment/reaction. It also means phasers can be used precisely and “phased” to manipulate matter instead of simply disassembling it. Phasers are disintegration rays. Disruptors are antimatter bolts.

>>64877566
pretty /k/ is a dukat-pilled board, he should've killed more

>>64877570
you're talking real-life Masers. The fictional version in Star Trek has the same name but has a totally different operating principle. It's not an acronym, it is "phased" in the same way that an audio signal might be.

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>>64877193
it would only be 1.4 megatons tnt, no biggie.

>>64876926
Disruptors are purely offense weapons while the Phaser is the self defense function of a multitool.

Then Jem-Hadar show up firing poloarons at people.

Then the Breen show up firing Tachyons at Starfleet HQ.

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>>64877775
>nadions
goddamn I'm stupid. it took me a while, but I finally got the reference.

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>>64877566
>>64877791
>he should've killed more
Not that he killed all that much to begin with.

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>>64877968
Cardassian in the 3100s.

>>64877982
It's a cardie-trill mutt.

>>64877680
Kek

>>64877982
I cant put my finger on it, but there's something wrong with her makeup, it just looks stretched and understructured

>>64877570
>shoots photons via magnetic acceleration
It's impossible to accelerate photons, best you can do is aim them.

>>64877477
>Disruptors don't dissolve the target, they punch holes in it
They're frequently portrayed as disintegrating people when phasers just make them fall over dead.
In ST:TNG, disruptors were exclusively disintegrators.

>>64878013
Thats because most of the phasers being fired in anger are set to economy settings. In TOS starfleet officers are wiping out hordes of people and burning out phaser batteries by putting them on explosive heat ray levels.

>>64878013
TNG phasers are incredible. On one setting they gently put people asleep with no side effects. On other settings they vaporize multiple cubic meters of solid rock, or cut exotic alloys like it was nothing.

>>64877997
The hair obscures structurally defining components of the prosthetic. Which to be fair would happen with any hairstyle that isn't swept back or cropped short.

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>>64878013
>It's impossible to accelerate photons
That's enough from you, physicslet. Velocity is a vector property, not scalar. Change in direction is also acceleration not just change in speed, therefore path of light bending as a result of gravitational and EM fields is accelerating light.

>>64876926
IIRC the tl:dr of phasers vs disruptors boils down to: phasers can be set to stun, dusruptors can't, at the cost of phasers being slightly more complex to design and manufacture

>>64878220
This. Their perceived motion in time is purely a product of us being made of particles instead of light, as such we experience time and light does not. The speed of light is determined by the stretch and flow of the electromagnetic medium/higgs boson/subspace it passes through. A subspace transmission is a ripple in the universal medium through which light propagates, it can flow and stretch and distort faster than light can pass through it. Light can be relatively accelerated by “riding” a wave that flows faster than it.

T. normally lurking alien telling you Gene tried to hint at a lot to nudge you in the right direction. The whole warp nacelle thing is just for fun to make ships look unique, but the idea is more or less correct.

>no verification required

>>64878346
>aliens coming into the thread telling me Gene was right about bumping uglies with 3-titted green women
Cool, can you post your alien guns?

>>64877570
phased array laser

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>>64878346
He didn't design warp nacelles, Matt Jeffries did.

>>64876926
phasers are set to "stun" by default, and disruptors are set to "kill" by default

>good guys vs. badguys

>>64879122
>warp nacelles just for fun
>some other guy sketched em up
Huh, imagine that.

>>64879151
No, Gene had rough ideas for the Enterprise, but he didn't have anything visualized either on paper or in his head. Aside from the "no fins and no rockets", Matt was free to make the ship from the ground up.

>>64879377
Okay… NTA, but what are you arguing?

>>64877066
Eed plebnista! For the Yangs!

>>64877968
https://www.ilo.org/resource/news/nearly-3-million-people-die-work-related-accidents-and-diseases

Damn, that is low.

>>64879473
Freedom is a Holy word, you shal not speak it!

>>64876926
One of the things that bother in the ST world is the disconnect between the aiming and the direction the beam comes out of the weapon.

>>64879817
I can only assume that there's something about it having self-aiming capabilities.

>>64879817
It's a weird answer, but yes handheld phasers do have "smart" tracking capabilities. You point at the target you want to shoot and the "STA" will lock onto it and track it. The Subspace Transceiver Array allows the phaser to link up with ship computer systems that does multiple things like ensuring that the shipboard limit for phaser settings doesn't get exceeded as well as allowing for using for the device's targeting sensors and computing systems to track targets

>>64877968
https://vocaroo.com/1eTPLntu4F3A

>>64880028
Actually pretty good dance music.

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>>64877968
Dukat may have done nothing wrong, but he was still only a pretender to the real Greatest Cardassian to ever live.

>>64880883
There is a running theory that "Star Trek" is just a Gul Dukat holodeck program with all the different characters Marc Alaimo plays.

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>>64881039

>>>/tv/ homo

>>64881229
Old trek belongs in /k/ nu-trek is for /tv/

>>64880883
>There's actual honest to god published material that says that Gul Macet grew his facial hair out to differentiate himself from Gul Dukat
>Implying Cardassians have facial hair
>Implying this would be a way to differentiate yourself
>Implying these two Guls are related because they're played by the same actor
>Implying like it's the 2000s
>Ishiggydiggy
I'm sorry, I just had to share that piece of Memory Alpha brainrot.

>>64881518
My favorite Memory Alpha brain rot is that Nog is one of the few people who beat the kobayashi maru test with no loss of life because he haggled with the enemy and the system was never designed to weight the cost of anything so it eventually crashed.

>>64881518
Memory Alpha used to be decent till nutrek was a thing. Then it became a garbage scow.

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>>64881711
Honestly pretty cool, I wouldn't put it in an episode as-is but a negotiated surrender would fit.

>>64881793
Filtering between the show and extended universe stuff was at least a manageable process. I really hope someone has an archive of MA before the first nuTrek shit hit, because knowing that what was a great archive is contaminated with all the garbage writing from the new shows is such a pain. I wouldn't mind if there was a clear delineation about what's the cartoon and what's Picard, and so on, but that they just slip random Discovery shit into entries that I remember did not have them before; it fucking hurts. Not even Memory Alpha has been spared this cancer. You thought 'The Chase' was bad, woof. I am not handling the idea that I'll be seething about nuTrek for the rest of my life very well.

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>>64881311
Bro.

>>64877193
Around 37 large nuclear weapons. That's your potential energy liberated at once.
Should you wish to make a point, and feel nihilistic.

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Idk about phaser physics. But how bout some big ol betazed titty physics?

>>64882239
>captain breasticals are exhibiting non-balistic motion

>>64877551
a sexy bitch

>>64881886
>STD infecting shit
In a show called STD didn't they make a plotline called the burn?

>>64881886
I know they prefer to write from an in-universe perspective, but having an article with a topic that comes up across a lot of incarnations broken up into say, TOS/TNG/current production eras would be so much more helpful. And save them from having to rework big chunks of articles whenever there's something significantly canon-altering.

>>64882879
There hasn't been anything canon altering since ENT was cancelled.

>>64882917
>There hasn't been anything canon altering since ENT was cancelled
Star Trek Discovery and Star Trek: Picard absolutely shits on established canon because the writers and actor playing Picard never understood and/or unwilling to understand what Star Trek was. Heard Starfleet Academy essentially killed Nu-Trek for even a lot of the newcomers because of how bad it is

>>64882943
I think anon was trying to say it's #notmytrek.
Speaking of Picard, I'm a little baffled that they felt the need to drag in DS9 stuff just to set up yet another Borg plot. Not even in an interesting way either. Then again everyone's been plundering Section 31 from them ever since.
I know I'll catch some flak from some for this but I don't mind SNW, I think if they'd led the series revival with a show more like that than Discovery it would've gone over a lot better, and probably set them up to not need the desperate plea for approval that is Picard.

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Watching DS9 with my 8 year old son a few evenings a week… he said “so are their buttons just a bunch of common AI prompts for the ships computer?”

tfw I realized the computer screens/interfaces in TNG/DS9/VOY are a bunch of prepackaged AI prompt hierarchies that account for like 90% of use-cases to command and query the ship’s computer.

>>64883038
I only saw the first season of snow, but I was pleasantly surprised and entertained. I did go into it with very low expectations though.

>>64882943
Those aren't Trek anon so doesn't really matter.

>>64882826
Couldn't make this up.

>>64882879
Absolutely, it's a good habit to have, Star Trek or no. But that they didn't seem to reject nuTrek to begin with was already a bad sign, ignoring the possibility of stinky marketers being involved.

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>>64882239

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>>64883590

>>64883063
The Federation's ships are all run by AI, the humans are just there for political negotiations and liability concerns. Occasionally the AI listens to the borderline nonsensical commands and technobabble the officers shout out, but it's the one actually making the decisions.

>>64876926
would out on a tinfoil hat and rape this jew so hard.

>>64877830
You're off by a factor of a thousand.

>>64883637
Surprised the ship computers don't go insane with the holodeck gooning sessions.

>>64883810
If you were to convert one proton per atom in a 180lb man, it would be a ~566 megaton explosion. Every proton in a 180lb man would be 1,929 megatons.

But you’d need only 3.2x10^15 antiprotons to sufficiently kill a humanoid. Which is a tiny tiny amount. To totally vaporize (not fully convert, just vaporize) a humanoid, you’d need about 200 megajoules, or 6.65x10^17 antiprotons, or 2.23 micrograms of anitprotons.

In other words, antimatter reactions are gnarly.

>>64883590
He actually gets command of his own ship in the books

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>>64883999
Always thought the luna class was really cool. Luna to a Nebula to the sovereign’s galaxy. Downward nacelles, pod, etc.

>>64883999
He got it at the end of the last film as well.
>>64884016
Pretty impressive for what was a fan ship
https://web.archive.org/web/20070104124931/stourangeau.gfxartist.com/artworks/125044

>>64882943
>>64883038
Picard was two seasons of a vanity project for Stewart and one season of desperate TNG fanservice.

The real problem with Discovery is that S1 functionally serves as a hard reboot of the franchise. Then when it turned out no one really wanted a hard reboot of the franchise it went through five showrunners before S1 wrapped trying to figure out how to make itself work and spent the rest of its runtime suffering because they were too cowardly to fully decanonize their first season. So you you awkwardly get them hanging out in alternate universes before being thrown forward in time so they don't have to explain away the discrepancies in canon. And then they fuck up their future status quo by ignoring canon AND revealing a shitty reason why the future has that status quo.

>>64884028
Further canonized by LD.

>>64877477
Yeah. Disruptor wounds are nasty. In “dirty” antimatter reactions where a stream of antiprotons annihilates protons within regular atoms, the energy at the atomic level creates gamma rays, high velocity “fragments” of atoms, like alpha particles (helium nucleus), beta particles (electrons and positrons), as well as gamma rays. For some atoms it would transmute the atom into another atom, possibly turning it into an emitting unstable isotope. And yet others might undergo fission, splitting into separate atoms (stable or unstable) but releasing even more shit at high velocity into the vicinity. When you think about it, an antiproton plasma (disruptor) weapon would be harrowingly deadly, and as described in star trek, very difficult to treat. Massive physical trauma from the energy conversion combined with a radioactive dna-damaged mess of a wound.

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>>64884016
>pod
Those are always my cryptonite, can never say no to a ship with one of those.

>>64884016
I think it's great, except for the secondary hull being short for some reason. There's no reason why the shuttlebay should be that far forward.

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Is it just me or would Calis make pretty decent convoy escorts? The red ones have extra fleet command facilities onboard.

>>64883989
So, let’s take my 295 lbs body and do a full matter to energy conversion AND accelerate my mass to 95% of c. What kind of explosion we looking at?

>>64884539
Equivalent of a lard core breach.

>>64884539
>Annihilate a 295lb man through antimatter conversion using antiprotons
3,100-3200 megatons of tnt

>accelerate the remaining mass that exists to 95%c
An additional 2,800-2,900 megatons of tnt energy

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>>64884650
So about 6.5 Gig? Weak.

>>64884097
What's wild to me about the development of the franchise is that SNW wasn't actually planned initially, it only came about because of the positive reception to the performances of their version of The Cage's bridge crew. I don't mean to glaze the show too much or anything but SNW seems like it'd be the obvious way to do a soft reboot slightly pre-TOS to introduce Star Trek to a new audience. Story-of-the-week with some more pronounced character and story arcs throughout the seasons with a prestige drama budget. It's the obvious way to do it.
Aesthetically too, it's obviously a modern reinterpretation of the original look but my brain has a much easier time reconciling that with TOS than Discovery's aggressively different aesthetic.
I don't even begrudge Discovery as a show that much, it's not for me but some people seemed to like it so good for them. It's like you said, the complete lack of coordination or forethought about the hole it tore through the setting that everyone else has to deal with after them. Picard's guilty of that too.
Canon isn't sacred to the point of being untouchable but when you're dealing with that old and that loved a toybox you have to be careful, others are going to want those toys after you and people will only put up with you breaking toys if you do something cool enough with it that they can ignore the damage.
Forget The Burn, I think the most glaring and unforced example of this shit is the whole Titan/Titan-A/Enterprise-G debacle. You just broke a whole pile of toys someone else could've played with for no fucking reason.

>>64884544
>lard core breach.
i laughed at this way harder than i should have

>>64885218
>You just broke a whole pile of toys someone else could've played with for no fucking reason.
It is Spite Trek afterall.

>>64883063
To be fair, every graphical user interface is just shortcuts for executing much more complicated operations. Like, you don't communicate with 4chan directly either, in person. Your browser does that, utilizing a snippet of this site it has downloaded into its cache. Not to mention everything even deeper down the rabbit hole. You just click the right spots and type in what you actually want to communicate, and the system takes care of the rest.
It doesn't have to be "AI" as we presently (and sadly) understand it, either. As far as I've understood it, computers in Star Trek act on very strict and deterministic logic, instead of the probabilistic "best guess" our so-called "AI" provides.
/nitpick

>>64882917
>There hasn't been anything canon altering since ENT was cancelled
I'm into ST: Center Seat S1 E 3 so far and love it!

>>64883627
Wtf!? I missed this episode.

>>64883999
>He actually gets command of his own ship in the books
Reading is for fags.

>>64884544
That's pretty good.

>>64885694
>Reading is for fags

The irony when anon realizes he read the previous post in order to reply.

>>64883794
I think Sirits is Greek.

>>64883794
She’s green irl and greekish (last name Troy) be taxed in the show

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>>64885759
>She’s green irl
>phantasy box checked

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>>64883063
Michael Okuda's control interface designs (became known as "Okudagrams") are fantastic in general. I like a program where he was talking about teaching the actors how to use it, and he told them all to not worry about what the buttons do, because the buttons can do anything you need them to do for the context of their use.

Also the Enterprise Main Computer is basically an AI (and I recall a few episodes it may go beyond that in sapience), and most of their queries and computer reference interactions are similar to AI prompts nowadays.

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>>64888653
>most of their queries and computer reference interactions are similar to AI prompts nowadays.
It's literally the plot of "Elementary, Dear Data."

>>64888653
Doesn't the computer get hijacked by some woman planet on TOS and suddenly starts being cheeky with the captain?

>>64876926
Good guys red tracers
Bad guys green tracers

>>64890520
>The beam in the OP is orange-yellow.

>>64890569
Strontium salt vs barium salt

>>64888653
I remember in an interview he was talking about how the hardest part of all that was getting actors to 'use' the screens like they knew what they were doing. The actors are just walking around a pretty quiet sound stage jabbing at pieces of glowing plexiglass, it's hard to do that with the confidence and conviction of someone actually operating a piece of equipment.

>>64885218
I think Discovery had the right idea about the Klingons in general. It's a bunch of noble houses each with their own economic and military capability kept in check by an overarching imperial structure that every house is exploiting to their own benefit or to hamper their rivals. Without expansion, conflict, or strong Chancellor to keep the Houses in line the Klingon Empire should be rather unstable, full of feuds, and full of all sorts of cults and political groups promising a return to stability and glory for the Empire. The design philosophy of STD had PROBLEMS with the Klingons, but honestly I feel like Klingon Great Houses would be the exact kind of people who'd add a bunch of baroque and unnecessary ornamentation to their ships for dickwaving purposes.

>>64890695
All of that was already done on DS9, except for the ornamentation.

>>64890759
STD took it further than TNG and DS9 and I think that was for the better.

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>>64890995
STD Klingon ships are migraine-inducing visual noise. There’s ‘ornamentalist design’ and then there’s ‘the design team thought they were making a stereogram’.

>>64891148
Yeah, they went too far, but Klingons should be flashy as fuck.

>>64890695
I agree. I just hated how the Klingons looked physically and how their cloaking device retcons the Balance of Terror (but Enterprise also did this).

>>64890657
He just told the actors that the future was so advanced that the interface was customized for each individual person and whatever they did was technically correct.

>>64891214
You'd think when the actors are complaining the makeup and prosthetics are preventing them from acting they'd have rethought the Klingon look.

>>64876926
I put my phaser to "undress" and shoot it at Troi

>>64891309
They did, by S2.

>>64891148
I don't understand why they went from brutal, functional and an eye for curves and proportions into "a bone cathedral but fucked up and decayed."

You can still have a japanese inspired gold inlay art and decorations on caved steel structure, but TOS and TNG always had klingons be more spartan and have their art in the wrought form than greebles.

Really should have just retconned in a unique alien species for STD and handwaved that the later-dated previous series don't worry because the threat was addressed or eclipsed in the passage of time.

>>64876946
>Disruptors shoot a plasma of antiprotons.
Wouldn't they be useless in an atmosphere? The antiprotons would react with the air before they reached the target.

>>64891440
Reasonable. If they had added the Glambonis of Glambozod IV as a mainstay species to the universe I'd not mind, Cardassians were introduced that way after all, and cardies rule. The depiction of klingon themselves weren't too bad from promotional footage (because I aint watching this shit are you crazy?) but stuff outside the literal make-up and acting was Kurtzman-cancer.

>>64891529
They would also be a nuclear scale event everytime as well.

>>64891530
Did the TNG Ensigns episode predate DS9? That had cardis and bajorans. DS9 also had the dominion as a regional threat that doesn't affect TNG, VOY or earlier or later eras in the same way. Cardis are also a "delt with" threat to a singular border region when they go iron curtain after the dominion war. They still exist, but inactive with a neutral zone bordering the feds.

Didn't help that STD klingon almost bordered on Gorn in terms of appearance, styling and mannerisms. STD of course didn't fuck up everything about klingons because they are very feudal, aristocratic, and play the game of thrones struggle for power, but their honor sense at least meant they could be shamed for being too cloak and and not enough dagger.

>>64891529
If it’s a relatively tiny amount as another anon said, say x10^15 or so antiprotons, then the energy conversion could kill a humanoid sized target upon impaxt, but while traveling through less dense matter maybe only a handful of reactions occur, causing an energy glow. Or as someone else put, perhaps they’re kept stable in an EM bottle that is launched. Upping interacting with a sufficiently massive target like a person or a wall, the EM bottle can no longer contain the antimatter, and a reaction occurs.

>>64891542
Everyone assumes antimatter reactions are catastrophic nuclear explosion events, they’re not, they’re just super efficient. As another anon put, less than a few micrograms would vaporize a person.

>>64891579
TNG Ensigns is 89, DS9 Emmisary (the pilot) is 93. If you watch TNG from the start you see the first introduction of Cardassians, and if I am not mistaken the sum total material of Cardassians in all of Star Trek at that point, including non-series material. That might not be true after 91's The Wounded and until Ensigns. So in short the war with the Federation and their occupation of Bajor was cut from whole cloth, and retroactively inserted into the timeline. And that worked great as far as I am concerned, and there is no reason why that same premise couldn't be used again.

For the second part I'd agree with that, TNG Klingons are too iconic, so if they were going with Kurtzman Klingons they might as well just make them Gorn. That would be fun, everyone wants some gorn action and their costume from their appearance was old enough that it could do with a rework. However, we don't live in that world, we live in this one, as said as it is.

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>>64891635
Hold on I'm all fucked up:
>Cardassian first appearance: TNG The Wounded, January 1991
>Bajoran first appearance: TNG Ensign Ro, October 1991
>DS9 pilot: Emmisary, 1993

Wires crossed at:
>TNG Ensigns of Command, 1989, completely unrelated
>TNG Preemptive Strike, May 1994, the first time we see Cardassians and Bajorans shooting at each other
>TNG Journey's End, March 1994, uses the same set as the later episode and has Cardassians attack some Native Americans the same way they attack Bajorans in Preemptive strike.

ow my head

>>64891617
A single microgram is still .04 kiloton of energy.
10^15 anti protons is over 300,000 joules. All of which will expressed as energy. That's one hell of a blast of radiation.

>>64891579
>>64891635
Something I always liked about the Cardassians was that on their own they were only really a middle power with delusions or aspirations of grandeur. You could buy that they both rode the line of credible threat and something that hadn't really needed to come up before now. You could also buy that the Federation had enough bullshit on their plates in the TNG era that they'd accept a pretty iffy peace deal just to have that fire put out and be able to focus elsewhere. They could probably do it by force of arms, but the couldn't commit the resources while worrying about the Romulans and Borg. Plus Bajor isn't a member world or anything, freeing them is good but not something they were likely prepared to go out of their way to spill blood for.
It sets them up to work really well as antagonists, too. They were neither conclusively beaten nor able to actually hold onto what they wanted. Right in the sweet spot for an arrogant loser desperate to get one back.
They were both good as one-offs and were expanded upon really cleverly to create a plausible nightmare for Sisko. For an era of production more concerned about contriving an interesting moral dilemma in a usually pretty ill-defined wider setting, they set up some rock solid politics when they needed to.

>>64891665
250,000 joules is roughly a modern hand grenade’s worth of energy. Certainly not nothing, but hardly apocalyptic.

>>64891665
It wouldn’t necessarily be an explosion. It would be a burning on most targets. Like the difference between a cartridge in a barrel and one emptied on a fire.

>>64891711
>>64891722
Anti matter reactions are instantaneous conversion of matter to pure energy.
It would be an explosion of high energy radiation.

>>64891729
Yeah. Not to mention transmutation of atoms, some into unstable emitting isotopes, fission of atoms, some into unstable emitting isotopes. One anon said it makes a ton of sense that disruptor wounds are hard to treat. You have a gaping radioactive wound with possibly ruined DNA in the wound vicinity, so healing is a bitch/takes ages/impossible depending on the severity.

>>64891687
I liked this aspect too. Strong enough to totally dominate their region, but not a real threat to the big boys like the Federation, Romulans, or Klingons. Even so, to invade to destroy or make vassal of the Union would mean such a considerable projection of force as to make whoever of the major powers that did so vulnerable to their neighbors.

Meaning the Cardassians can’t be ignored or avoided. Always a thorn, which they’re portrayed as until they become the beachhead for the Dominion.

>>64891687
What I thought was neat is that from the perspective of a normal Cardassian citizen they did nothing wrong for the last 4 seasons of the show.
>be ruled by brutal military junta
>finally manage to restore civilian authority
>Klingons use it as pretext to conquer you - standard Klingon MO is ethnic cleansing and slavery
>last minute efforts turn a Klingon fait accompli into a grinding defensive war
>Klingons declare war on Federation too, Federation is content to defend its territory but not ally with you
>Klingons and Federation are suddenly best buds again
>Klingons are still trying to conquer you
>dude named Dukat shows up, reinstalls the military junta, says Cardassia is now part of something called The Dominion
>with Dominion help rout the Klingons and kick them out of your territory
>Federation responds by militarily blockading Dominion forces
>Federation and Klingon Empire form alliance
>war starts
>most everyone else is neutral but thanks to the Dominion Cardassia finally has the upper hand
>Hey, has anyone seen Dukat? There is this Damar guy on the big tv screen now.
>Romulans announce their entry into the war with mass assaults against you
>start noticing Cardassian forces seem to take the brunt of all losses even when you're winning
>your supposed allies the Dominion just carved out a chunk of your territories and handed it over to the Breen
>Hey, has anyone seen Damar? There is this Broca guy on the big tv screen now.
>The Dominion continues to throw Cardassian after Cardassian at the Alpha Quadrant alliance as they advance
>Damar's back, says the Dominion has lost and is going to destroy Cardassia in the process
>Dominion proceeds to start genociding Cardassians everywhere
>Alpha Quadrant alliance finally makes it to Cardassia Prime after you join forces with them
>peace is declared
>Dominion gets off scot-free
>Breen get off scot-free
>Cardassia gets its sovereignity stripped

>>64891687
Agreed. I always thought Cardassians were the most human, in that they have a weird and sometimes silly culture but it works, their society functions and isn't doing too poorly. But at the same time they do heinous shit in the name of the people and still conquer planets for basic resources like savages. Love me some spoonhead politics.

>>64891579
Cardassians were introduced in the TNG episode 'The Wounded' in '91. By 'the TNG Ensigns episode' I presume you mean 'Lower Decks' From '94, and not 'The Ensigns of Command' from '89 (the Sheliak Episode).

>>64891904
>Klingons and Federation are suddenly best buds again
This only happens after Gowron reinstates the Khithomer accords, which is after Dukat's Dominion-Coup has already taken Cardassia and 'liquidated' the Civilian Government. But the rest, yeah. Klingons not only get off scott free, but get to keep those worlds they'd taken from Cardassia during their Dominion-orchestrated surprise attack upon the Cardassian civilian government. Though at least Cardassia gets back the worlds that the Dominion surrendered to the Breen.

Though I guess for however much the Dominion war in the Alpha Quadrant was a 'Victory' for the Federation and Friends, in general terms the dominion weren't really defeated. Yes, they'd lost an expedition force full of expendable clone soldiers; but they retained all the positions in the Gamma Quadrant they'd taken before the war and their shipbuilding capabilities in the Gamma Quadrant had not even been touched. If not for the section 31 plague there probably wouldn't have been enough leverage to bring them to terms.

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posting the superior Roddenberry ship
>carries snub fighters, extended offensive and defensive missile batteries, recon drones, fighter drones, and the nova bombs, which are able to wipe out entire solar systems.
Plus the AI literally inspired cortana from Halo

>>64892063
Looks like the pylons also informed the design language of the Orville and its fellows.

>>64892023
The Dominion are at an impasse because they lost an entire fleet to the Prophets and thus cannot rely on the wormhole to reinforce. The S31 plague is kind of non-issue in itself, as they'd more than likely order the Jem'Hadar and Vorta to go to ground outside of the alliance's borders to rebuild and wage a neverending asymmetric conflict.

>>64892219
>>64892023
Jem'hadar-klingon female hybrid at SF Academy is really really weird. Most likely would be a recovered genetics experiment that SF couldn't kill. I highly doubt that the Duras sisters or worse would do it willingly out of some combat prowess appreciation lust, a willing jemhadar clone, and biological compatability....and then this cursed hybrid makes it to Los Angeles, Earth.
Not impossible paths, but unusual ones.

>>64892294
Starfleet Academy is a follow up STD and is set in the 32nd century.

>>64892294
As with most things in nuTrek it is not unsalvageable on paper, but it'd need to be in the hands of better writers. In this way having a cast of standard and subdued characters works better, because then the oddballs gets to shine. 7-of-9 being a gimmie there. Introducing a character who's half-klingon-half-jem could work, but focusing on how weird that is and the explanation for it is an episode in of itself, possibly multiple seasons worth as we see with Worf, Dax, Odo, Worf again, Alexander, etc. But then it immediately gets tied to culture war shit and all the discourse drowns. If there was a better calibre of production available then we'd all be singing praises about how new Star Trek is bold, takes chances, doesn't shy away from complicated subjects! But instead SNW ends with defeating an ancient cosmic evil and... Shit. I miss Lwaxana in love.

>>64892294
>>64892320
Honestly I don't hate the idea. The Federation's greatest weapon is turning enemies into friends, it may be on the nose but the offspring of two former foes wanting to enlist as a Starfleet officer is on brand.
Jem'Hadar being able to reproduce normally and presumably relatively free is obviously a big change but it's a few centuries removed from when we last saw them.
>>64892322
>SNW ends with defeating an ancient cosmic evil
That was such a first draft of a season arc. That whole season was first drafts. I think the episode where they introduced it worked, felt very Stargate SG-1 in an unexpected but good way. Then they had no idea how to land the plane. At least their Inner Light tribute was surprisingly well executed, it's such a sharp quality jump in that episode for like fifteen minutes.

>>64892333
SNW had a lot of backend fuckery going on so "first draft" is a pretty apt description.

>>64890657
Spiner played the consoles like a piano, he was a pleasure to watch.

>>64876926
Because one is the good guy weapon that has a stun feature and the other is the bad guy weapon that only kills/severely hurts. It's all science fiction and everything developed for almost all science fiction is to work around the narrative and then consult the science person to base it around a real theory. Whatever real life science based debate you think can be had is useless because it all boils down to it's FICTIONAL. Doesn't matter if X particle can't do that or energy type we now know can't do what is claimed. It's a complete waste of time to argue about it.

>>64876946
Inserted in-universe explanation here.

>>64892846
Sure is fun, huh? When it’s grounded (at least somewhat) in real physics, it makes it even more fun because you can, plot devices aside, calculate (to a certain extent) and imagine what it might be like IRL.

Nadion phasers cause atomic components to lose cohesiveness, creating a plasma where there was once physical material. Disruptors use antimatter plasma to do the same thing but in a more collaterally destructive way through a different mechanism. Fun.

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>>64876926
disruptor sends victims to Hell screaming in pain, and near miss or partial hit imparts a horrible radiation poisoning condition that is painful and fatal. Nothing "Bones" can do.

>>64892333
>>64892322
I don't even care about the Jem Hadar bitch; it's 700 years in the future - they can Jurassic Park them into women for all I care.

My issue is that the universe is completely fucking static. Everything looks like SNW when every time we saw the future's future things were almost magic-tier. It's just fucking lazy and we're only here because they wanted to salvage Discovery from being an abortion and they couldn't even do that properly.

>>64891711
>250,000 joules is roughly a modern hand grenade’s worth of energy
>certainly not nothing, but hardly apocalyptic
Delivered in less than a second to a 1 cm area.

>>64894395
Yep. Fucks you up.

>>64893724

There's plenty of times in the series where disruptors are set to stun. Not sure how, but they do have that setting. Possibly through just tuning the beam energy way, way down to cause a concussive shock on a hit.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Disruptor_pistol

>>64894581
>https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Disruptor_pistol
thats when ST turned gay

>>64884258
They’re a little too big to be escorts. Too clunky with too many ‘second contact’ systems involved while being lightly armed and defended.
They’re basically the kind of ship Starfleet would actually build if they weren’t blowing smoke about being an exploration-based organization.

>>64895185
>slaps top of spaceship
>this puppy can fit 3 nurseries in a torpedo's path
I love how retarded Star Trek gets once you start thinking it through.

>>64895196
No nurseries means no children and pregnant women aboard.
No children and pregnant women aboard mean no families aboard.
No families aboard mean no sex or couples aboard.
No sex or couples aboard means no settled adults aboard.
No settled adults aboard mean your science and exploration ship is staffed entirely by the young who will immediately leave the ship once they break down and decide they want a home, a family, or simply sex.

This aint the armed forces, it might arguably be a paramilitary definitionally but not functionally. Yesterday's Enterprise shows us what a ship looks like if it's in wartime.

>>64895196
I chalk that up to the California class having pretty much everything a Second Contact role would need stuffed into it, at the cost of operational efficiency in just about any other role. They can do a lot, but not well and with lots of room for catastrophic error.

There’s a reason being assigned to Second Contact is considered an undesirable role in Starfleet.

>>64895196
>>64895218
Civilians might not even exist as a protected class anymore. God knows the Klingons get to massacre them en-masse and it's never treated especially worse than attacking starships or leads to any long-term political consequences.

>>64895237
It would make sense that exploration ships are defined as civilian wholesale, so killing 1000 crew versus 5000 crew is splitting hairs because the Federation abhors both. Despite what the Star Treks show us, it is to be assumed that most spaceships have entirely unexciting and mundane daily operations.
>Day 1230 of our 1600 day scientific study of the Dat Boi Cluster, today I celebrate my son's second birthday, and that I live in a utopia where my dayjob is 4 hours of looking at astrogation then playing racketball.

>>64895185
Given that a California's systems are swapped based on its role it's entirely possible you could see "guard duty" Calis that have their modular spaces fitted with extra sensors and better tactical systems. As is they already have at least 2 forward torpedo launchers and forward are rear mounted phaser arrays.

Man, this thread died and it "suddenly" got filled with Rick & Trek

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>>64897168
Could turn it into /ak/ Trek although I really want to use it as an excuse to talk about the Nebula Class from a ship design standpoint.

>>64897168
Same thing on /v/. Dude just comes in right into the middle of a good convo and just starts trying to whitewas nu-Trek.

>>64895185
>>64895225
There are no "second contact" systems, and only the yellow ones are geared towards that kind of mission anyway.

>>64897168
>>64898109
Shut the fuck up you stupid cunts, men are talking

>>64898222
Lmao, checked.

>roastie attempting to appeal to someone's sense of maturity
>on the u/k/raine board
>by talking about nu-Trek
lol

>>64895185
Well, what did they do during the Dominion War? Kick rocks?

>>64877563
the twist is that klingons are all physically weaker than humans they're just hyper aggressive and willing to die in a fight

>>64898243
getting turned into confetti by Breen warships?

>>64877570
>PHoton mASER
anon we already have optical masers. they're called lasers
>it shoots photons via magnetic acceleration
photons do not work that way

>>64899851
not yet but they will

>>64877544
>>64877548
Star Trek weapon design is pure dog shit.

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>>64899938
Just take a handheld vacuum cleaner, add some more rounded plastic bits and voila, phaser!

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>>64895196
>this puppy can fit 3 nurseries in a torpedo's path
That's why you have a detachable saucer with the civilian facilities and a dedicated battle bridge on the angry part of the ship.
Drop the kids off with a comfortable level of self defence and have the fighters take care of business.
Since the Federation is basically always at peace in most or even all sectors, surprise attacks aren't likely and would be considered in the same light as terrorism etc.

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>>64900283
The Federation, particularly in that era, enjoys a pretty substantial tech edge too. Any larger Starfleet vessel likely to operate for an extended period without support is pound-for-pound have the advantage against a peer or near peer opponent. They're not exactly sending them in unprotected, and anyone picking that fight is going to be weighing up both the individual ship and the risk of bringing Starfleet down on their heads on the off chance they pull it off.
This of course is also why the Borg and Dominion catch them on the back foot. Deterrence and individual overmatch don't matter as much against an enemy with numbers, tech and a lack of self preservation on their side.

>>64899836
They have decent phases and photon torpedoes. Their warp core is overtuned and they're only relatively slow at warp probably for warp bubble reasons. All that energy can get dumped into shields and phasers.

>>64900475
Everyone loves to call the Ent-D a cruise ship when it's consistently portrayed as being able to go 1v1 with everyone else's top-end dedicated warships.

>>64901536
Yeah, but it's not an insult usually. Doing battle with Romulans is pretty great, and being comfortable while doing it is doubly great. Romulan warbirds look like fast food joints on the inside, I mean it wasn't until DS9 they got chairs on the bridge. The Federation notices and appreciates extra padding for your ass, that's why they're the good guys.

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Its stupid to argue about star trek weapons after DS9 completely retconned everything about them when they realized every average joe having a weapon that can completely disintegrate an entire human being just by grazing their big toe and leaves almost no evidence is really bad for storytelling

>>64901536
>>64901664
I've always wondered all those people who complain about all the "wasted space" inside a Star Trek ship if they have ever spent any time whatsoever on a warship and had to suffer through hot racking before? Once you factor in that there is no realistic way long term space exploration voyages would be survivable without the crew murdering each other unless it had all the creature comforts of a cruise ship. Suddenly you realize that Federation ship design philosophy makes a fuckton more sense not only in their universe but as sci-fi goes in general.

>>64901776
It's not helped by people just taking the measurements then treating the ship like it's a hollow shell. You're going to lose a bunch of interior space just from internal structure and systems, plus you're going to have large stretches of interior being unoccupied by virtue of what they contain.

>>64901716
That was SG1. Trek has pretty consistently pointed out that the vaporized remains of a person are easily detectable as long as you know to look.

>>64901791
>as long as you know to look.
Only if you know TO look. Both TOS and TNG both had tons of scenes where the main characters were standing in a spot where someone was disintegrated mere seconds ago while having absolutely no idea it happened

>>64901776
Some people are just dumb. Borg mentality in people.
>So much wasted space, you could fit 8 more bunks in there
>An empty room for music practise? Waste of space! It should be used as an armoury.
>A pool?! This isn't a leisure ship!
>Why does it look so non-threatening, if it had spikes and was black it'd look more intimidating to possible hostiles.
>Separating the engineering from the saucer is a waste of material, it should be a sphere or a cube to maximise internal space for material
>Why are they negotiating with these aliens they should simply attack them, board them, and add their distinctiveness to their own.

>>64901806
>>64901791
I'm not one to complain about it, makes sense for exploration wessels. But of course the shows have to be somewhat exciting and it just makes it ridiculous how many non-personnel just get vaporised or blown out to space. Not the usual for most ships, even the Galaxy-class but overall DS9 really showed just how much they needed an actual military division with ship classes that were made for fighting and not just peaceful activities.

>>64901853
In my mind all the adventures of the protagonists happened spread out over all the ships and crews, because otherwise these people would be mythical heroes whose gravitas would have its own gravity wells.

>>64901986
I'll always love the DS9 pilot episode for showing how fucking horrifying it is being involved in any of these major events for anyone not a named character on an Enterprise.
Being a background detail in a single episode would be plenty of danger and excitement for most careers.

>>64901995
Ships blowing up in special effect always made me think that they're flying around in video game explosive barrels, so I've always imagined that if a red alert is called you just shit bricks because you don't know if that means you'll be in an exciting space battle or you just get Half-Life'd out of existence. If they had infinite budget I'm sure there'd be an episode of someone surviving a fall to orbit inside a piece of wreckage somehow, I'm not a big Voyager fan but there's an episode where they crash the whole ship onto a planet and I always thought that was an appropriate level of durability for a space ship.

>>64901536
>cruise ship
Garbage scow

>>64902016
SNW actually has an episode where a crashed ship described as basically being a pocket Constitution-class is the main setting. It's not in fantastic shape but it was a survivable crash for a significant portion of the crew, who were instead killed post-crash by a Gorn attack. The Enterprise is even able to tow it back into orbit afterwards.
If I'm remembering the Voyager episode right the ship is largely fine but everyone dies because the inertial dampeners couldn't compensate for the impact, but it was also one at catastrophically high speed because it'd just fallen out of some weird warp experiment. If you can maintain power to structural integrity fields and inertial dampeners, you can probably survive a surprising amount of physical punishment unless the ceiling rocks fall on you.

Kinda related, I liked that one DS9 episode where they use an emergency beam-out on a runabout as equivalent to an ejection system during an atmospheric crash.

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>>64902021
>I meant it should be hauled away AS garbage
>Laughs in Klingonese

>>64901536
Late into the Dominion War the Galaxy Class still wiped the floor with the Dominion's heavy ships despite only having 60% of their systems installed. Shows just how much fat there was to trim, and under all that was an absolute beast. It’s why the Dominion started building those dreadnoughts.

A Galaxy-class fully kitted for war would been a fairly fast, fairly nimble, and monstrously overpowered warship. Just take all the extra space and weight of holodecks and creature comforts and replace them with armor, weapons, and redundant systems and you’d have a fucking nightmare on your hands.

>>64902048
What would I have to do to be breastfed by a 200lb Klingon mommy?

>>64902203
File your teeth sharper.

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>>64902203
DS9, season 3 episode 3. Follow that up with season 5 episode 3. This is your template, this is your creed, the breasts are heavy, and at their tips a bead.

>>64901853
With the Galaxies there is also the fact that they're closer to mobile space stations than ships. The civilian compliment isn't just crewmembers' families, it's scientific and technical professionals.

>>64901986
>>64901995
It's a side effect of pandering to the fanbase. TOS presents the Enterprise's adventures as not particularly extraordinary and its just one of multiple Connies on long-range exploration missions.

>>64901986
Which is exactly the opposite of how things are treated now. People lose their shit over meeting Chris Pike and Geordi LaForge.

>>64902515
Seems that was tweaked to 'all' connies getting extraordinary adventures, and as a result meeting violent ends down to a vessel.
The last time they appear is in Best of Both Worlds where the last one in service gets Borg'd. Truly, if you want to boldly go, accept no substitutes.

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>>64902515
>>64903186
I don't understand, no Star Trek has been made since November 3, 1997. You guys must be talking about another show :)

>>64894581
Disruptors can be set to stun, but it's more of a case of 'this might still fucking kill a person lmao'. It's a 'less lethal' setting.
Phasers are basically 100% safe to use on stun.

>>64901536
>Everyone loves to call the Ent-D a cruise ship when it's consistently portrayed as being able to go 1v1 with everyone else's top-end dedicated warships.
Because for her size she is a glorified cruise ship, a Klingon warship her size would be considerably more powerful (if prone to randomly exploding).
The D being so powerful is more-so just because the Federation is far ahead in most areas of tech, and there's very few warships as large as a D.

>>64903402
Negh'Vars have the same approximate measurements as a Galaxy.

>>64904724
The Negh'Var is smaller in volume than the Galaxy, and indeed does seem more powerful given how absurdly rare it is. It did considerable damage to DS9's shields.

>>64903316
You stupid whore, DS9 ended in 1999.

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>>64905251
???
You must mistake me for someone else, slut. DS9 ended November 3, 1997, with Sacrifice of Angels, and no Star Trek was made after that. Ever. And what a two-parter that was, a beautiful book-end to DS9 where grit and determination saves the Alpha Quadrant forever, while still leaving it open for the Dominion to one day return. Sadly they never made anything after that.

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>>64905262
This is by far the fucking strangest take I have ever encountered.

>>64905334
If you boldly go where no anon uses a trip, you may encounter yet stranger new takes.

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>>64907394
NTA, but I get where he’s coming from. Star trek from TOS through DS9 was competency porn with a little drama thrown in. VOY had its moments and so did ENT, but everything after that has attempted to be soapy politically/culturally/zeitgeist relevant slop instead that corrupts, distorts, and shits all over the old stuff in the worst way.

>>64907471
>competency porn
One day the rights holders to Trek will realise there's a market all of its own to just see a bunch of people convincingly argue for their position, then accomplish their goals, without calling each other fags or raising their voice.

>>64907471
>everything after that
So after CBS bought the franchise. Coincidence?

>>64903402
>The D being so powerful is more-so just because the Federation is far ahead in most areas of tech
That's kind of the point, it doesn't have to be a dedicated warship. It's a massive flex.
There's also historical precedent here. Royal Navy ships tended to be less warship per ton of displacement than say, German ships because they included way more provisions to keep crews stocked and (relatively speaking) comfortable while doing much longer patrols around the empire. The further you plan on going from home and the more different things you might be asked to do while you're there, the more you need to pack with you. That a Galaxy-class is able to be a warship, humanitarian transport, research vessel, diplomatic ship and just about every other job to satisfaction, while not having to particularly compromise on any of those roles versus comparable dedicated ships from other powers, is basically the Federation slapping their dick down on the table as the primary power of the alpha and beta quadrants.
I don't think the fact it could probably be a stronger dedicated warship is really grounds to dismiss it in its current form as a glorified cruise ship.

>>64908245
Absolutely, throw in a little action, adventure, and keeping the “made up thingy solves it!” Minimal and it’s a good recipe.

>>64882239
Back to India.

>>64902452
>/k/ goes to space.webm

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>>64909087
>everyone in this video sucks at shooting and/or is derpy
>/k/ in space

>>64909087
>>/k/ goes to space.webm
>racist ferengi falling over themselves
Tracks.

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>>64888684
>Chatgpt, generate an enemy capable of beating my dick.
>Get Moriarty who questions his own existence as he grapefruits me.

I hate this future.

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Have you all remembered to pray for the one, sole, non-commissioned man in Star Fleet today?

>>64907471
That Tolkien quote is pretty ironic, considering that the "deep lore" of his novels was just a bizarre patch-work of blatant plagiarism sourced from old northern European mythology and Jewish/Christian religious texts.

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>>64912382
Are you insane!?!?
The only prayers about O'Brein that anyone should ever make are prayers to his continued suffering!
O'Brein's suffering is the glue that holds post first-gen 'trek together. It's the singular binding force keeping the entire franchise from instantly collapsing.
As everyone know, O'BREIN MUST SUFFER! That is the law, plain and simple. It's brutal, yet it's necessary.
Why else would the gods have seen fit to saddle him with that awful cunt of a wife?

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>>64912467
Yes, yes, O'Brien Must Suffer. That's obvious. But he suffers for you. He nobly bears his burden, his Keiko, and his shitheap of a life to keep the franchise together. He does all of that without melodrama, without brooding, and while still being the best father he can to his child. If that doesn't deserve your respect, and your prayers for God to hold him up and ease his path as much as he can, then I don't know what does.

>>64877530
It's a faaake

>>64912467

I love how Bashir Bars are the worst MRE.

>>64912467
>This video isn't available any more
FML, why must they take these things from us?

>>64912204
Sweet.

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>>64908755
So…wtf was the purpose of the J? Federations mega dreadnaught?

>>64913769
To break cannon.

>>64876946
>Disruptors shoot a plasma of antiprotons
Not all of them, this was unique enough to make Data narrow it down to Romulan weapons immediately. "Disrupter" is probably a generic term that might differ in actual implementation.

You guys are nerds.

>>64912487
How do people get their hands on MRE rations?

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>>64915441
Transporter "malfunction".

>>64915791
Man I want to buy an emergency pack of food but I wanna get MREs for it. Heard that shit is good to go a year or two out of date.

>>64916107
Depends on storage conditions it's been under. If you place it on your balcony under the sun that wouldn't apply.

>>64913769
Extra-galactic exploration if Beta canon is considered. It's basically a flying city.

>>64907471
>finally have a series where you can have the cast be all melodramatic in Starfleet Academy since everyone is their late teens/early 20s
>somehow make them too melodramatic even for the people who'd be into that sort of thing

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>>64881099
Letting Combs just eat the scenery as an evil, megalomaniac computer was one of the best decisions of the franchise.

Also outside of Data, why does it seem like the Federation can't create a sentient computer or AI that doesn't immediately go rogue?

>>64916368
Lower Decks sucks and having Cooms be an evil megalowhatever computer was a memberberry that fell flat

>Reddit buzzword post
Go back

>>64916172
Obviously. But do you need connections to get a fat load of MREs?

>>64916335
That and enough tech and firepower to deal with a possible OOCP

>>64916513
>connections
Yes. The elite Venture Surplus.

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>>64895185
Calis were that catch all utility ship that do all the undesirable, behind the scenes logistical stuff for star fleet, while types like the Galaxy and Sovereign class ships get all the glory jobs.
Which is why Calis were always seen as a stepping stone for up and coming officers to better ships and if a Captain got transferred to a better ship, they couldn't take their bridge staff with them since star fleet wanted to minimize the constant turnover rates that Calis went through.
As for the conversation at hand, it feels less like the Cali wouldn't be the escort ship and more the convoy ships themselves since the only freighter ships in the federation are the Antares type and that was a TOS ship and most were unmanned.
On the flip side, I don't believe they had nurseries on the cali class, since space on the ship was already limited, crewmen had to sleep in hallways, so at least that whole can of worms could be avoided.

Inb4 some schizo starts crying like a bitch over talking about ships in star trek.

>>64916579
>talking about ships in star trek.
Center Seat: S1 E9. Kinda bitch basic, but good osippy details and interviews. I just finished the whole series and really enjoyed it. Great to see Gates milking the cow as narrator and exec prod. Def rec.

>inb4 someone tries to push nu-Trek as worthy of talking about

>Enter the schzio

>>64916718
>schzio
Thanks for playing, better luck next time.
PS Dukat did nothing wrong.

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>>64916729
>Schizo mad
>Dukat did nothing wrong.
01101100 01101111 01101100

>>64916752
>mad
Why do people always assume someone is mad? Why is the thought of someone being happy while shitting on something subpar such a foreign concept? LD and SNW were the best of nu-Trek but they still sucked hard and couldn't keep a consistent theme throughout an episode and take itself seriously at any point. The best part of course was that Kurtzmann shut them down because they were more popular than whatever shit he could crank out. Absolutely hilarious.

>>64916767
>I'm not mad
>Goes on to show he's mad by obsessing over stuff he doesn't like and then blames others for his actions.
It's a mystery!
What's your favorite class ship?

>>64916767
>shut them down
>caring about who's in charge of shit
Fuck CBS trek.

>>64916778
Paramount is shit in general. Does the federation even allow monopolies?

>>64916777
>then blames others for his actions.
Why are you calling me a schizo when you're just making shit up in your head to be mad about?
>obsessing over stuff
Enjoying the shitshow is not obsession, anon.
>What's your favorite class ship?
Intrepid. It has stupid design choices but it's got the most exploratory DNA in its core. It's a damn fine ship so long as it doesn't catch a cold.

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>>64916796
Because instead of sticking to discussing ships, you're instead acting like a schizo with an axe to grind. Things would be more pleasant if you focused on the positive aspects of life, instead of just working to tear everything, good and bad, down.

But we're clearly at an impasse, so here's an offer so we don't just spend the rest of this thread arguing with each other. We'll use the favorite ship tangent as an off ramp from said argument to one about ships, regardless of the series. That sound fair?

>Intrepid
It was designed to be a deep space exploration class ship, so if you're going to have an exploration ship and get stranded in the delta quadrant it would be that one, RIP the USS Equinox.
Just don't focus to much on keeping track of your compliment of torpedoes.

>as it doesn't catch a cold.
The bio-neural gel pack was such a weird concept since if they were neural cells, you'd think there would be moral ramifications. Plus it felt like a voyager only tech, although I vaguely remember it being in one the TNG movies on the Enterprise-E.

>>64916767
Most people don't spend hours in threads screaming at people because a tv show they dislike was mentioned. That's not normal behavior; it's not even autistic behavior.

I don't like TOS. I think it's wildly overrated with its entire reputation being hard carried by a half dozen episodes and three films. You know what I do when people start talking about TOS? I don't respond and wait for an opening to begin discussing the Trek I like.

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>>64916903
>wildly overrated
Gorn claws typed this.

>>64916903
> It's weird to constantly shit talk shit
It's weird when people keep bringing shit up despite how much pushback it gets. Over multiple boards, it's a wild type of dedication.

>>64916897
Yeah they really undercooked that aspect and it makes the ship seems a little alive but they only have that concept brought up by some one-off with Paris sticking his dick into the nacelles of some shuttle.

Also, I gotta ask, why do you keep deleting your posts? It's happened like 3 times in a row at least, what's with that?

>>64916911
Checked and kek'd.

>>64916919
>How DARE you like what I don't like!

>>64916919
God forbid people discuss unpopular topics on 4chan of all places.

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>>64916919
Plus you had pandora box techs. Like when they used 7 of 9's NANOMACHINES to bring Neelix back from the dead and by all accounts, more than Neelix's spiritual crisis, it was a complete success where they could continue using it on other crew members who get killed, but they flat out abandon it. I'll still remember when they brought back and killed Carey right before the series ended, such a bad taste move, especially when he was transported directly to sick bay. Couldn't the EMH freeze his body and create a new heart for him or use nanomachines to save him.

As for the deleted posts, I just notice grammatical mistakes after I submit a post, even when taking time to proof read. So just deleting them, redoing the wrong parts and reposting feels like a better alternative than constantly making addendum posts with the corrections.

>>64916995
In all fairness you have a lot of plot devices that do not show up again even when its logical throughout the franchise.

>>64916995
Wasn't even the first time they mentioned it, I'm pretty sure there was an episode of TNG where they say there's a time limit to reviving "dead" people when it's a simple problem. Did LD ever delve into that?

>redoing the wrong parts and reposting feels like a better alternative
Kek, I have made fun of multiple spelling mistakes, some even in this thread. Fair enough.

>>64916781
>Does the federation even allow monopolies
CBS sues Trek fans, so yes. They "own" the brand and grip it tightly. They ARE they monopoly. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2n6EWsVGroU

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>>64902203
Git gud at forensic accounting

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>>64917017
I'm willing to chalk to up to the fact they have multiple writers and allow fans to submit scripts too, so keeping everything consistent is a mess, I.E. why the total amount of photon torpedoes the Voyager kept jumping around.

>>64917029
I'm not sure of the specific episode mentioning a time limit, but when Tasha Yar died, they mentioned her synaptic network was breaking down before she was pronounced dead, and Sloan in DS9 used a neural depolarizing device on his brain to commit suicide and even when Bashir stabilized him, he as still dead within an hour. But they managed to save Neelix after being dead for almost a day, maybe there was some caveat since he was a Talaxian, but being dead that long is a big lift, especially if it's tied to brain function. I'd have to rewatch the episode to be totally sure though.
As for LD, they lampshade the whole issue of crew dying and coming back to life where the crew is just used to it and don't ask any questions. As for the actual process, it involves a place called the Black Mountain, which is an inside joke for showrunner Mike McMahan since he includes it in other series he worked on. Which, honestly., is a bad taste move in my opinion. But I'm willing to call balls and strikes fairly for any series, especially for the ones I like.


Okay, this time I had both grammatical errors, and wanted to add a picture of the black mountain.
It's honestly uncanny how I only recognize my fuck ups after I make the post, and typing them up in the quick reply window.

>>64917082
The best thing about that scene is that knowing Klingons the entire Council recognized what was happening and could easily follow along but played dumb for the sake of appearances.

>>64917078
If that's about Axanar then it's a "what did you expect to happen" situation where they kept constantly pushing edge cases when they didn't need to.

>>64917196
Yeah, part of what I mentioned in another place. The more hard-limits you place is detrimental to keeping everything together. Even something as simple as rules around where a ship might avoid scanning or having to turn on its transponder.

>lampshade
hehehehehehehehehehehekekekekekehehehekekehehe
>the crew is just used to it and don't ask any questions
Yeah honestly the whole thing is so whack it should be normal even by TOS times.
>As for the actual process, it involves a place called the Black Mountain
Wtf is this a fallout reference?

>had a whole post typed up
>got distracted before posting
>have to now change reference because the update came in
Kek

>>64917147
>they have multiple writers
All of whom are working under strict time pressure, and an obligation to produce scripts that don't get too many negative comments from directors, actors, and random executives - all of whom will bitch and moan about absolutely anything and everything, but are completely OK with bullshit technobabble being used as all purpose plot spackle.

>>64917197
I'm happy to accept that the Klingons are very happy playing dumb for outsiders, because it works for them, but I genuinely believe that they expected everyone on the council to 'play by the rules' in order to keep up appearances internally - and were absolutely and authentically furious when they learned that D'Ghor had 'broken kayfabe' so publicly.

>>64877570
PHASed Energy Rectifier or some such nonsense as of one of those TNG tech manuals.

>>64916368
Soong fucked up a lot before he got it right.

>>64917197
>If
It's literally embedded, you lazy bastard.

>>64881711
>Grand Nagus Rom enacted laws allowing females to go to school then used the fines gathered from the mass protests to fund them.

Big lobes.

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>>64917207
The only episode I remember with transporters and people dying in TNG is Relics where Scotty turned the transporter of the ship he was on into a jury rigged status, but the guy who went in with him had his pattern degrade beyond salvaging. And Realm of Fear, but I think the crew put into the transporters all survived and it was only the engineer who transported them who died.
Then you had the infamous accident from The Motion Picture.

As for the true origin of the black mountain, I never bothered to look that up. Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

>>64917220
Yeah, it's more akin to them being upset that he was dumb enough to get caught than him committing the crime.

>>64917312
Considering that they're basically just Samurai-Viking-Spartans IN SPAAAAACE (with the cultural focus shifting to suit the scene and individual writers whims) that would fit them very well.

>>64917405
I like how Klingons have so many rituals and traditions they invoke, it becomes it's own type of bureaucratic mess that can be weaponized.
>Loss your captaincy due to your crew successfully mutinying against you
>Invoke the Ritual of J'ethurgh to regain your captaincy
>Oops, one of the tests involves selecting one of your cremates who is taking part of the tests with you to die
>Time to invoke the Rite of Forced Conscription to add the person administrating the Ritual of J'ethurgh to your own crew, and selecting him to die.

>>64917475
Just hope that nobody invokes the rite of Mu'h Diik while you're giving a speech to the high council, or you'll have to challenge them to a formal duel to determine which of you is the Gig Ah Nig Ah.

>>64917475
>>64917664
>Despite the cultural depictions by other civilizations, the average time between challenging and actually carrying out an honor or legal duel is 7 years due the need to settle all claims regarding standing of the participants to bring about or participate in the duel. A full 74% of duels are rendered invalid for one reason or another.

>>64916903
You're not a fucking trekkie, idk what to tell you

>>64917310
>accident from The Motion Picture.
We were supposed to see the results but it would have changed the rating

>>64918594
That's the weirdest fucking part of the film. Two people die during a routine process to board their ship and everyone shrugs. That's the kind of shit that gets you put out of service for months as they painstakingly go through everything to determine the cause while everyone sits through boards of inquiry. It's the kind of thing that ends careers.

>>64918699
Remember, The Motion Picture was actually to be ep.1 of Phase 2.

>>64876926
real answer: nothing really they change the properties of these things as it suits the writing. phaser is supposed to be 'nicer' and more humane and a disruptor more painful and 'barbaric'

>>64918699
I think it was meant to highlight that the Enterprise was being rushed out of its refit for the mission and wasn't really ready for action, but they don't really do a whole lot else with it.