>>64893266
and yet its not a Walther P99, curious

>>64893266
mag release is pure shit

>>64893281
once you use it once you realize it's so much more reliable and easy to hit than a smushy glonk mag release. Something about dropping your trigger finger down to release your mag is very nice feeling.

>>64893323
>But GLOCK
And if we suppose that he was comparing it to other Yuro style mag releases?

>>64893449
push button or lever... what else is there?

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>>64893492
Heel, but that doesn't really address the question.

>>64893506
as far as im concerned a push button like most handguns have and the lever style release are the only good mag releases. From my experience the HK lever style release feels nicer than other ones i've felt

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>>64893267
>Walther P99
is good but not as good as the VP9
picrel is good

>>64893323
it's the most ergo optimized striker 9 available

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>>64893266
I want picrel so much it's unreal.
>but it's not a striker anon
I know.

>>64893266
Why did the ugliest rails become so dominant?
Fuck picatinny

>>64893267
>>64894478
I would say that the VP9 does owe some of its lineage to the P99, by way of it being HK's response to the P99's successor, the PPQ, clearly taking some design cues from it.

I will say, the P99 is a pretty perfect pistol though, and I can't believe how far the handgun market is straying from the example it served. Even the PPQ felt like a step down to me. Felt more cheaply made, didn't manage recoil as well, and external design changes that didn't really help ergonomics so much as it ruined the aesthetic. Then the PDP further alienated me from whatever direction modern Walther is trying to steer toward.

I value the VP9 for the fact that it took a step in a direction that more striker fired guns should be following, and now that the P99 is discontinued, at least HK is providing a modern production pistol that feels closer to that essence than Walther themselves are.

>>64894567
>t. Glock accessories salesman

HK hasn't made a good product in decades and the subsist entirely on products made over 20 years ago.

>>64894593
I don't care for Glock it's ugly for its own reasons
Picatinny rails were a fucking travesty for pistol aesthetics across the board

>>64894520
hammer fired without a safety always looks grody

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>>64894632
>looks grody
kind of grody, ngl, I don't like the sloped front, either. Would much rather prefer the flat front like a USP. I still like mine.

Polymer framed striker fired guns are like buying sneakers these days, just got and find one that you like the look and feel of the best.

>>64894585
Fair enough but the VP9 and the P30 (by extension also the HK 45) have a lot of commonality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLFiCa8YUMY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1pKfxhKNuk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkwjbQo16ZE

>>64894971
Oh yeah, of course. In some ways, I kind of think of the VP9 as the great grandchild of both the P99 and the USP (both two being my favorite pistols of all time.) You can see a clear progression from the USP to the P30/HK45 to the VP9, and you can also see inspiration from the VP9's direct competitor at the time, the PPQ. It's not as simple as just saying USP + P99 = VP9, but rather the VP9 has some interesting, and very good components to its DNA.

>>64893266
PDP mogs it unfortunately. I greatly prefer the HK aesthetics and mag release (now that walther has dropped lever mag release entirely), but the PDP trigger, ergonomics, and factory optics cut are simply superior.

>>64895025
>Ergonomics
The grip shape of the PDP makes my hand cramp. It's also very top heavy/bulky and so it balances awkwardly, like gripping a hammer at the neck. It's hard to say a gun has "superior ergonomics" because everyone has different hands.

>>64895011
checked, right - my point was that the USP line of handguns (watch the third YouTube video) has been in continuous evolution and co-development since the 1990s

>>64895055
>grip shape of the PDP
is it that different from the PPQ (<--Gen 1)
they do look slightly different, the post-PPQ Walther pistols
I prefer HK regardless

>>64894854
sometimes i feel as if i made a mistake getting the VP9 instead of the P30 or even the VP40 but whatever... my HK Glock strikershit is still pretty cool...

>>64895070
>is it that different from the PPQ (<--Gen 1)
>they do look slightly different, the post-PPQ Walther pistols
no, it's barely different from a VP9 either. He's being a baby.

>>64893266
Every Glock copy is better than a Glock. They're bottom of the barrel.

>>64893266
Do they go plap like in my vidja?

>>64893323
I will get yelled at by my instructors who are glockucks and say the trigger finger is only for firing. I'm not even allowed to hit my weapon light with the trigger finger. It can't be hit with the thumb can it? Looks too far out.

>>64895115
Yeah I understand what you mean; but I can also see what he's saying about the top-heavy for the new ones.
(I haven't held a PDP or the newer Walthers, have checked out a PPQ before and it's similar to VP9 handlingwise)

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>>64895146
You use your offhand thumb to actuate weapons lights while using a thumbs forward grip. I use my dominate hand ring finger to drop mags with paddle releases.

>>64895336
>ring finger
middle*

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>>64895102
they're all basically the same anyways. I am waiting for Taylor Freelance to make p30 backstraps so I can do up mine all prissy like you can with a vp9.

>>64893554
Heel release is good for concealed carry where you're unlikely to reload a fresh mag anyway because it's exceptionally hard to drop a mag by mistake. Push-button mag releases are faster of course, but occasionally mistakes are made with them in the heat of the moment.

>>64895538
just don't push the mag release. Easy.
>b-but I've seen dozens of 84 IQ cops drop their mags
so be better. If you're really so retarded you can't do that, never touch a gun they're not for incompetent people.

Even if you absolutely must mongoloid-proof your gun (you can't) HK-style mag release has all the 'advantages' of heel mag releases while actually being fast and not awkward to use. All defenses of heel mag releases are invalid. It is utterly inferior and has no reason to exist. It's not some archaic thing people did because they didn't know better, the better solution came first.

>>64895558
Mags being difficult to seat, mag releases being where yoir grip goes, and slide releases where your thumbs go are flaws with the gun. They're also all things that never existed before Glocks. That shithole cheapskate company came around and ruined handguns.

Why did they extend the mag release button for gen 4 if it was already Perfection? Riddle me this. Speaking on HKs, why did the USP force mags to be downloaded by 2 rounds by having a longer follower block? So they could be loaded more reliably and false seating wouldn't be an issue. Glock came around and claimed a gun of the same size could hold 2 more rounds and shaved the follower way down. The result is extreme levels of false mag seating for retards who actually overload them. Do not buy fucking glookies and you will have far less deadly problems to train around.

>>64895584
I wouldn't know I've never owned a glock and don't care. Maybe insert the magazine into the gun and put your hand where it's supposed to go instead of wigging out like a nigger being told to comply. It's really not that hard not to hit the magazine release or fully insert a magazine.

>>64895538
HK paddles are the best for any type of carry, the paddles sit in the holster and can't be manipulated if you're in a fight or whatever may result in a mag button being pressed and your mag dropping. You can't do admin reloads as easily, you have to baby draw to do admin reloads but it's not an issue at all. I had the option to switch my duty weapon from a glookie when mine was having major issues, but the HK may have caused manual of arms confusion so I got an M&P. Holster options are more plentiful for that too. But being trained on an inferior Glock fucked me for life. HKs shoot great and if you're a notraining you have no excuse except price and the fact that M&Ps are more reliable. You buy a glookie you're fucking stupid at this point, the things are objectively shit tier.

>>64895602
>conversation has literally nothing to do with glock
>GLOCKGLOCKGLOCK
you are so broken it's unreal.

>>64895589
I'm gonna run you through an 8 hour straight course and stress test your draw to first shots, we'll see how your grip looks when your hands are bleeding and your brain doesn't work. We'll see if you remember to slam the mag in with the force of a horse kick so it doesn't drop out. Only because I can't legally have two tweakers kick your ass then see how you shoot.

If you shoot a Glock you work around its major flaws, remember that. Or just use a better gun. It was night and day when I switched. Mags seat easily how they should, mag release is a mag release again, not a slippery nub, don't have to scrape chewed up plastic off the feed lips of the mags, so many things I didn't realize weren't normal.

>>64895606
>forgets the thread OP

The plastic has absorbed past your blood-brain barrier.

>>64895627
The post your responded to has nothing to do with that. Do you think Glocks are the only guns with normal magazine releases?
>>64895620
nvm I just realized I'm talking to an 82 IQ cop, no wonder you're retarded lmao holy shit, none of you faggots can shoot, drive safely, or even fill out paperwork properly. I don't think even half of you are literate.

>>64895630
Half my coworkers are retarded, 82IQ is generous. Then you get the 120IQ+ detective type and get your shit pushed in. I'm backtracing you right now kid.

>>64895336
40 S&W
Who the fuck still uses that garbage ass cartridge? Be a big boy and get a proper 10mm at least.

>>64895025
I like the PDP a ton, but the compact model, which I own, is every bit as tall as a G17 or VP9, with a markedly chunkier slide. The PDP has a better grip texture, but the VP9 has so many interchangeable grip panels that it wins for ergos. I'll give you the optics cut, since the VP9 cut is hyper shallow, but it's just as good of a plate system as the PDP has design wise. It is a shame HK couldn't be assed to cut it a little deeper though.

>>64895146
well, they sound fuckin dumb

>>64895722
>but the VP9 has so many interchangeable grip panels that it wins for ergos.
I suppose, I personally found the PDP perfect right out the box for my hands.
>I'll give you the optics cut, since the VP9 cut is hyper shallow
It's my favorite part of the PDP, cowitnessing my ACRO p2 with the stock height sights no problem. Well, that and the trigger is definitely better than my VP9.

Personally I got rid of my VP9, and kept my vp9sk solely because walther doesn't make a subcompact PDP. If they did I'd buy it and be done with modern HK.

>>64895691
homie they don't make a 10mm USP
there's a couple nig rigged custom built ones out there but they have... problems

pdp is the most overrated piece of shit ever.

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>>64895691
>Who the fuck still uses that garbage ass cartridge?
lol I paid $400 dollary doos for it.

>Be a big boy and get a proper 10mm at least.
Meh, I've got bigger boolets than that plus a .500 magnum in the mail to my FFL as we speak.

>>64895774
(as an HK owner) I thought the PPQ was fine, never handled the PDP but also wasn't motivated to, it simply looks bulkier and with a too-tall slide compared to its predecessor. There seems to be a contingent itt shilling the PDP itt idk why
I still ? think that Walther is capable of making great and HK/Beretta/CZ-tier handguns but the newer models aren't impressive, especially with the switch away from >>64895602 paddle release master race

nobody in this thread actually shoots btw

>>64896011
checked, least of all (You) nogunz

>>64893323
Paddles are a highly positive smooth and consistent control
You'll never go back after making the switch

>>64895584
>Mags being difficult to seat, mag releases being where yoir grip goes, and slide releases where your thumbs go are flaws with the gun. They're also all things that never existed before Glocks
Wrong, but ok.
You do realize that Glock was making 17 round 9mm mags before HK even started considering developing the USP right? And that a magazine capacity being limited by the follower block is the same as being limited by an extra 2 rounds? It sounds like you're creating problems out of things that don't matter.
>>64895760
Don't get me wrong, the PDP is also very ergonomic. The VP9 is just more adaptable.
I don't much care about what height the sights are usually, but the low witness afforded with an EPS and stock height metal irons is nice.
The trigger is fairly similar desu. The PDP has a crisper break, but the improvements to the VP9A1 bring the trigger closer to the PDP, especially once you shoot it enough to break in.
I'm kind of the opposite. I don't regret getting my PDP, and I recommend them constantly to people, but the VP9A1's paddle mag release and 17 round capacity with an equivalent height is pretty hard to say no to.

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>>64893266
Why didnt HK just update the USP/mk23 to be exactly the same as it is in build quality and finish, but slap a picatinny rail on it and maybe update the mags to have better capacity where feasable? They still make the guns to this day, so its not like s&w pulling 90s models out of the grave, it would just be a simple change to the plastic for the rail and the mags dont even really need changed it would just be nice to get a couple more bullets in each respective caliber model

>>64896071
>>64896074
'+2 rounds' handgun mag capacity fetishizing discussions are the most pointless of firearm handwringing
If you want "higher capacity" (by only 1 or 2 rounds) switch to a different system

>>64896074
They want to keep the original design as there's still market for it. It would also mean to increase production capacity, creating a new injection mould, test all the shit again etc.
Tldr
>HK: You suck and we hate you

>>64893267
PDP>VP9>>>>>P99

>>64896074
>>64896115
>HK
Watch the 3× armorer vids ^^^upthread, complete engineering model-to-model history of the entire USP / Mk 23 / Tactical / P2000 / P30 / HK 45 / VP 9 series

>>64895336
>I use my dominate hand ring finger to drop mags with paddle releases.
Congrats on figuring out the worst way to do that.
>>64895691
That’s pretty clearly a police trade in, several of us have them here.

>>64895620
Hey, I’ve taken 2 different 16 hour courses last year and previously done stress shoots among other things. Just chiming in to tell you that you’re a dumbass and should never give your opinion on anything ever again.

>>64896122
Not gonna watch as these are most likely James Williamson's videos and I've seen them many times already. Very good overview. I follow him on HKPro where he posts more information. Last info I saw is that there will be no update of the current USP and that they will NOT cease the USP production. He works for HK but he still can't say all the intercompany information. I think we will never know the real reason why they don't want to create updated USP.

>>64896165
Nobody cares what (You) think.

>>64896071
Why did HK make the decision to limit the mags by 2 rounds then? I only suggest downloading by 1, but with 2 you will never have false seating issues. Nobody even knew what that was until I enlightened this shitty civvy board. It's a known issue, it's been a known issue, and that's why HK addressed it decades ago and successfully so. You can fix your piece of shit glookie just by downloading the mags, you have them overstuffed. You will never fucking use it anyway so whatever makes you feel better. But you are objectively doinitwrong.

>>64896156
Government reject civilian security guard shit. You're still a notraining. That wasn't REAL training! I've been to civilian courses and they're fucking laughable on top of being extremely unsafe.

If you're not a professional you're never going to have access to good training, simple as. It is gatekept because anyone worth a damn is teaching on the government side getting cushy benefits and a real paycheck. The civilian guys are scam artists.

>>64893267
What's with the sudden surge in popularity of the p99? Is it just people starting with a pdp and then working back through the Walther inventory?

>>64896292
PPQ (paddle) is peak modern Walther handgun

>>64896227
You clearly cared to the point it made you reply to my post :^)

>>64896322
check, sure nogunz

>>64896113
>If you want "higher capacity" (by only 1 or 2 rounds) switch to a different system
Like a VP9 or a P30? Or a G17?
I'm not hyper concerned with capacity, except when manufacturers needlessly nerf their mag capacity, only to update it decades later like HK did with the P30 mags.

>>64896383
Yeah as an HK user I'm perfectly fine with 15 round mags.
(previous post of mine referred to the constant harping in discussions of 'what handgun should I buy?' where quibbling over a couple rounds capacity is obsessive)
One example might be the CZ P-09 which has a nominal 19-round magazine but apparently, its functionality is intermittent and not fully reliable when loaded to max and the magazines for the pistol work better when loaded with 17 or 18 rounds. Whatevs

>>64896551
Retards will buy it over the more reliable options that aren't overstuffing the mags, because one more round = good. This is why HK cucked and added 2 more rounds to the P30. Like try loading a "fully loaded" Glock or P365 mag, it's obviously bullshit marketing.

>>64896270
>Why did HK make the decision to limit the mags by 2 rounds then?
Who knows man. Clearly they changed their minds when they updated the P30/VP9 mags to be 17 round mags instead of 15, with the same exact magazine body.
>I only suggest downloading by 1, but with 2 you will never have false seating issues.
You do realize you can shove 18 rounds in a 17 round G17 mag right? Same with a VP9 magazine? Almost like they built in enough compression to allow the top round to compress when being loaded into the gun while fully loaded. I've literally never had a Glock mag fail to seat, and comparing a USP 45 mag to a G17 mag, both take about the same amount of pressure to fully seat. Sounds like you have a skill issue.
>You will never fucking use it anyway
Good Lord, I hope not. Not that I carry a Glock for duty use anymore anyways, but I never had a lack of trust in them when we were issued them, even though they're far from my favorite handgun on the market.
>>64896551
Good for you I suppose. That's not what the market wants, and that includes the LE and Mil markets. If CZs are having issues with their magazines, that's a design issue with those specific mags.
>>64896624
>overstuffing the mags
If it's designed to seat more than 15 rounds, and does so easily, is it overstuffed? Or are you one of those mongoloids who downloads his AR PMags as well because he hasn't figured out Magpul engineered more space into them to compress further when fully loaded?

>>64895691
it's better than 9mm

>>64896724
>extremely similar expansion to comparable projectiles in 9mm
>penetrates to extremely similar depths, post barrier penetration
>all with lower capacity, and harder wear on most guns except the glorious USP
Wow, so much better anon.

>>64896707
I'm advised to download AR mags to 28 rounds but not allowed to download my Glock mags even though they are causing malfunctions with the gun when overloaded. Wacky policy there, considering false seating is much less of an issue with rifles because you can push/pull. 3 agencies have advised to download AR mags by 2, that seems to be a common consensus, but only 1 required downloading Glock mags by 1 or 2 which made loading much less problematic. I'm not an armorer or instructor who's seen thousands of guns being shot and knows all their quirks and issues, I just know every Glock I've used loads like shit when "fully" loaded and under stress the likelihood of falling out is too much to risk.

>>64896870
>I'm advised to download AR mags to 28 rounds
With some mags it's a reasonable thing to do. It's not in the slightest bit necessary with a pmag or similar.
>I'm not an armorer or instructor
I am, but that means fuck all desu since working on guns isn't hard if you can read, and there are so many garbage instructors out there in both the LE and civilian worlds that you shouldn't take my word as any sort of authority without seeing me actually shoot / instruct. I was a certified Glock armorer too at one point, but I let that lapse after we moved away from them since I don't like Glocks all that much.
>I just know every Glock I've used loads like shit when "fully" loaded
I'm not sure what to tell you man. I've got my gen 5 G17 that used to be my duty gun right here with a loaded 17 round mag, and I can seat the mag fully while it's resting on my index finger, halfway into the magwell by simply doing a hard flick of the finger. I genuinely cannot recall ever failing to properly seat a fully loaded 17 round Glock mag. I'm not denying you have, but I'm genuinely curious as to the generation of Glock, the vintage of your issued mags, and if they are indeed in 9mm since I don't know if G22 mags have the extra space to compress when fully loaded.

>>64896753
oh man those extra two rounds... i will surely die... dumbo
it always comes back to muh capacity for 9miliniggers

>>64894632
I got the P30L with the safety specifically because it makes the mag release shorter, my thumb was always resting on it

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>>64893266
Just get an RXM

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>>64897308
>anything from Ruger that's not a revolver or 10/22

>>64896270
>Government reject civilian security guard shit. You're still a notraining. That wasn't REAL training! I've been to civilian courses and they're fucking laughable on top of being extremely unsafe.
I’m literally a Deputy Sheriff assigned to a patrol division but whatever. When I took a Carry Trainer class it was just okay, Modern Samurai Project was great though. What civilian classes in particular do you have issues with?

>>64896707
>wall'otext "with their magazines"
It's not the magazines.
It is the pistol. It fails to cycle/function 100% with those magazines loaded to 19-capacity. Pistol cycles perfectly when 17/18 rounds are in its magazines.

>>64896909
>With some mags it's a reasonable thing to do
This anon gets it. (Issue doesn't affect solely handgun designs)

>"duh market wants"
People aka consumers are total retards, particularly in the firearms and most-so in the handgun market. No, you *don't require* an extra '1 or 2 rounds' <--that have nothing to do with the handgun's effectiveness. What's most important with any firearm is that it cycle and function with total reliability, not "muh capacity," and additionally that the user be proficient with both its manual of arms and accurate/consistent with shot placement.

>>64896724
>>64896753
>better than 9mm
Correct. 40 and 45 ACP each are.
(which isn't saying much; handguns suck. Get a rifle)

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>>64898098
>(which isn't saying much; handguns suck. Get a rifle)

>>64897140
2, or in some cases 3 extra rounds per magazine can make a difference. Maybe not for you, larper, but for actual duty use.
>>64897869
If I had to guess he's talking about some halfassed NRA instructor tier "classes" that he apparently associates with all civilian side instructors.
>>64898098
>It's not the magazines.
If the gun works when the magazine isn't fully loaded, then it's the magazine that's causing the problem. Clearly it's a subpar design, as to be expected from CZ.
.40 and .45 are not at all better. Cope from people who can't read Fackler's work on wound ballistics.
>which isn't saying much; handguns suck. Get a rifle
Yeah, because a rifle is such a feasible choice for every day carry lmao.

>>64898385
>hurrr DURRRRp CZ
It's not about CZ. (Only mentioned it in my upthread post as a random example) Other "high capacity" handguns have the same problem: Shitty cycling reliability when the mags are tippy-top crammed full.
HK handguns do not have this problem. They're correctly designed, unlike slop like glock.

>muh fackler
.40 S&W and .45 ACP completely mog 9 mm.
(Yes, obviously no matter the caliber, you can be 1-shot killed with .22 Long Rifle. With handguns shot placement is everything)

>>64898385
>2 rounds is make or break
>but 15 rounds with more power per shot doesnt make a difference
9millinegro

>>64899192
What are you talking about you fucking retard? You’ve made up a non issue because you have some sort of emotional connection to HK.

>>64899359
>more herp dURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRp
Nobody knows what the Fuck (You) are posting about Dumb Fuck
"muh CEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE zeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" = (You)

Lots of handguns and rifles (including AR-15s) have the Too Many Rounds Packed Into Magazine, problem.
DumbFuck. Fucking FAGGOT RETARD FUCKTARD FAGGOT fuck.
It's not a new thing either.

>>64899192
>HK handguns do not have this problem.
For someone who worships HK as much as you apparently do, it’s weird that you keep ignoring that they also make very reliable 17 round flush fit mags despite the supposed “issues” inherent in a magazine of that capacity.
I’m talking about CZ because you specifically brought up their 19 round mags, which, you’ll note, are higher capacity than any other similar size handgun. I’ve yet to see any issues with G17 mags, mec-gar 18 rounders for the Beretta 92 or Sig P226, or the 17 rounders for the VP9.
>.40 S&W and .45 ACP completely mog 9 mm.
I’m not sure why people insist on parroting this nonsense when we have decades of data from both scientific testing, and actual shootings to show that’s simply not correct. They’re all remarkably similar, and you of all people don’t know more than a literal doctor who spent decades researching wound ballistics.
If it penetrates to similar depth ranges, (which they do), while reliably expanding to prevent over-penetration, they’re not doing anything remarkably different. Your disdain for 9mm doesn’t change physics, and there isn’t a single pistol caliber cartridge that reaches the velocities necessary to exceed the elastic limit of human tissue at the extremities of the temporary wound cavity.
>>64899632
Different anon, mongoloid-kun.

>>64899236
>more power per shot
Right. What wounding mechanism does muzzle energy translate to again?

>>64899664
>wall of illegible blab
What the fuck language is this

>>64899669
>a short paragraph addressing each greentext quote is difficult to comprehend
Are you retarded? Why are you discussing things that require in depth conversation and explanations, if you’re incapable of basic reading comprehension?

Across the entire Internet I never see so much seething over the humble 9x19mm as right here on /k/. Is it just one autist or something?

>>64899708
>short paragraph
Uh huh, someone get this hothead outta here

>>64893266
paddle mag release so in the trash it goes. Only hipster fags and european snobs think that shit is good.

>>64899716
This site attracts contrarians and people who pretend to be retarded (by being retarded) for a joke that never lands.

>>64899725
>paddle mag release
you're missing out

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>>64899666
>"wounding mechanism"
that's the larger bullet flying towards you you cretin

>>64893323
only fags like paddle mag releases. No wonder only retarded Hkucks like them

>>64899951
yeah well keep malding

>>64893266
I don't get the striker fired obsession. Hammer fired triggers are just better. Why would you want a mushy trigger that's midway between a double action and single action pull? Dogshit. Got the LTT return spring and trigger bar in my A4 and it's ruined everything else for me. Put in the VP flat faced trigger and now I can't go back.

>>64895146
>my instructors
kek

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>>64900296
Get a P30 with trigger job, then

>>64900296
>want a trigger that's midway between a double action and single action pull?
Because that's the ideal trigger type for general use. DAO is trash. SAO requires a safety. DA/SA is a mediocre compromise. Striker slop, light LEM, and "triple action" or "DA+" are objectively the best.

>>64894478
>>64894585
If I am buying for a 5'6" female for home defense and hopefully CCW, am I better off getting a PPQ or the PDP compact?
I was leaning towards the compact. Was going to mount her a light with laser
>Olight Baldr mini; call me out if still retarded and fire danger.

>>64901100
Digits of truth.

>>64901630
>PPQ
>PDP compact
(idk if they still make a PPQ) From what I understand PDP is thicker than the PPQ

>>64901100
I'm gonna be straight with you, striker triggers are just too mushy for my tastes

>>64895146
Your instructors are retards.

>>64901690
well they use Glocks so...

>>64900296
There are multiple striker fired guns that have fairly crisp triggers, and a striker fired gun has a consistent trigger pull that requires less training than a DA/SA gun.
As a DA/SA appreciator, I’m not saying striker fired is better, but I understand the appeal.
>>64901630
PDP F series.
Olights are fucking trash. You shouldn’t be using a WML that doesn’t allow you to change out the battery.
>>64901670
Try a PDP or VP9A1. Heck, even the Turkroach Walther clones (Canik) have pretty crisp triggers.

>>64901845
Glocks are fantastic pistols.

Glocks are for poors.

>>64901847
Interesting, thanks. I agree, but she is more likely to charge something than be able to swap batteries under duress. If anything I would worry trying to do that would hypothetically waste time and attention. If it was just dead she could slap on the charger and stay put or accept that it is dead.

>>64901895
Not as fantastic as Beretta, HK, or CZ.

>>64902119
I’d rank them over HK. I’d also take one over an APX. I don’t have enough experience with the CZ offerings to give an opinion.

>>64901987
No problem. I would have gotten my wife a PDP F, but she wanted an HK so that’s what she got.
The Streamlight TLR-7 HL-X and TLR-7X both come with a rechargeable battery, but retain the ability to swap batteries. Simply rotate out the battery once in a while. Much better quality light, and unlike an olight it’ll actually perform as advertised for a reasonable amount of time.
>>64902227
PDP = VP9 > Glock
I don’t hate Glocks by any means (I own 3) but I don’t understand the obsession people display with them. They’re not the only reliable striker fired gun around.

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>>64902227
>rank them
Glock?

>>64902779
>don’t understand the obsession people display with them
They're reliable. In 2026 four-decades-on that's about the only positive thing about them

>>64903021
That’s more than VP9s can say.

>>64895602
Garand Thumb did a pistol reliability test on the glock gen 6 vs the M&P recently. He found that while the gen 6 was better than previous generations, the M&P was better still than the glock gen 6.

>>64902119
>placing Beretta over Glock
This anon turned gay after being molested as a child

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>>64905536
VP9s are top of the present market for striker fired polymer 9 mms

>>64905552
Beretta, CZ, and HK are each by definition better handguns than any Glock. Better and more thoroughly engineered, more durable, better manufactured to higher standards, more accurate, and aren't bricks of polymer slop.
tl/dr Superior

>>64905622
>Better and more thoroughly engineered
Unprovable and vague
>more durable
Straight up false
>better manufactured to higher standards, more accurate,
Again, straight up false
>aren't bricks of polymer slop.
Your pic says otherwise

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>>64905652

>>64905698
I don’t even like Glocks. It’s just that your points are retarded and false.

>>64905714
Beretta, CZ, and HK are each by definition better handguns than any Glock. Better and more thoroughly engineered, more durable, better manufactured to higher standards, more accurate, and aren't bricks of polymer slop.
tl/dr Superior

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>>64906298
Those are the 3 worst handgun companies doe, straight downgrade from a gen 3 g19

>>64906528
low--caste slop bastard opinion kys, Beretta CZ HK are aryan god guns

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P30 >>>>>>> VP9

>>64897409
LCP is okay too

>>64899666
the same as 9mm, but bigger

>>64899716
actually the opposite is happening; anytime a 9mm negro sees anything thats NOT a 9mm, he can't help but chimp out and screech about "muh capacity" over and over and over again.

Its literally no different than a negro talking about his "big dick". Oh wow you have 22 rounds and you didn't kill anyone with them, congrats.

>>64906837
Why the P30 and not the P30L? And how do you like the safety? I've been considering getting a P30LS.

>>64907267
P30 is my do it all gun, I run it in USPSA/Multigun, winter carry, innawoods carry, and home defense

P30L is too long to conceal

>>64907267
Oh and the safety is amazing, it's like a turn signal in a luxury German car

>>64907300
>P30L is too long to conceal
I encountered this, myself. I might trade down to the P30 from my P30L

>>64907363
Its a great competition gun but yeah I'd rather have a p30s for everything and if I really need a pricey gun as big as a p30L I may as well get a cheapish 2011 with way more capacity and aftermarket

>>64906837
USP > P30 = VP9
Finger grooves are disgusting.
>>64907113
Right. You realize that doesn’t mean much, if anything in regard to wound ballistics? If the projectile isn’t going rifle caliber velocities > 2400 FPS, it isn’t doing anything special.
>>64907300
>>64907363
>>64907772
It’s the same size as a G17. Don’t be an effete manlet and act like that 1/2 inch longer slide is really making that much of a difference.
>might as well get a cheapish 2011
Retarded opinion. There isn’t a single 2011 in the P30L’s price range worth seriously considering.

>>64909179
>finger grooves
HK 45 / P30 / VP9 do not have "finger grooves"
It's an ergonomic integrated design (with swappable components to custom fit) grip.

USP was a pioneer polymer frame handgun, excellent in its day. That day is long gone.

>>64909499
Even HK refers to them as finger grooves. And only a few cursedly ugly HK designs in the mid 2000's had them. I want HK to give us a P30A1 with an optics cut and no finger grooves. I'd buy 2 tomorrow if they did.
The USP remains supreme. Sorry anon, you simply cannot defeat their longest selling pistol with the highest confirmed durability.

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The mouthfeel is incredible.

>>64895418
Hell yeah.

>>64909179
finger grooves are ok and freaking valid. Example: Gen 3 Glock 19 and 17 (The best Glocks ever)

>>64893266
For me it's the ruger max 9

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>>64893266
>Has that stupid groove on the trigger guard that gives your finger a blister
>You have to send it off to some hillbilly to get it removed
Other than that it's a good gun

>>64901652
PPQ is discontinued but I was going to try and hunt one down if it was that much better than the PDP.

>>64907300
>Barrel length affecting concealability
Wut

Reminder that the VP9 gets a dead striker if you jostle it LOL

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SRTECJTuw4E

>>64911726
Okay you try concealing a 4.5" hammer fired pistol AIWB all day and report back to me

>>64912409
t low caste manlet

>>64910272
>herrrrP plebbitard DumbFuck incomprehenslop
They are not "finger grooves" it's a integrated grip design.
unlike brickglock 1982


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>>64910820
lucky duck. Someday they'll make backstraps for a p30.
Someday, i'm sure.

>>64910272
>I want HK to give us a P30A1 with an optics cut
i'd trade in my p30 TODAY for this.

>>64912654
retard

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>>64911718
As someone who’s shot a P99, PPQ, and PDP the PDP is my favorite out of all three. It seems like there’s a lot of misinformation about it out there by people who don’t own one for some reason.

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>>64912654
Crazy.
Anyway, finger grooves are fucking gay, no matter what you want to call them. Just remember even HK calls them finger grooves.
>>64910988
Only poorfags and Californians think the gen 3 Glocks are great. Which one are you?
>>64911606
Good thing the VP9A1 doesn't have that groove.

>>64912690
>>64912755
Plebbitards.
this board /k/ has been destroyed

>interchangeable backstraps and lateral grip panels
>Molded finger grooves in the front
They're not "finger grooves."
They are Molded finger grooves in the front of the pistol's grip that are part of the Completely adjustable grip, consisting of interchangeable backstraps and lateral grip panels.

"Finger grooves" are what the pistol grip of a Thompson submachine gun (or, what a 1981-designed glock aka Brick) has.
Neither of those firearms has a completely adjustable grip.

>>64912748
The worst thing I've heard about the PDP is the the gun is "snappy". Otherwise it seems generally well received.

>>64912755
I've noticed anything with finger grooves is poorly designed

>>64912896
They ship them oversprung (~18.6 lbs) from the factory to account for +p duty ammo use. I swapped mine for a ZR Tactical stainless guide rod with a 15 lb spring. The nostalgia around the PPQ confuses me. I even shot the pre trigger change PPQ and I still think the PDP trigger is significantly better.

>>64912896
Calling any full size polyslop 9 "snappy" is the most pussy bitch 4channel millennial fudlore nonsense and I'm tired of hearing anons regurgitate it.

>>64912769
They're finger grooves you pedantic fuck.
I know you're a noguns, but the first 2 generations of Glock didn't have finger grooves, and clearly they're not that great if HK is moving away from using them.
>>64912909
It's less about being poorly designed, and more that finger grooves are unnecessary for the most part and make the gun less universally ergonomic. Plus they're just visually unappealing.

>>64913068
>i-i'm a manlet

>moving away from using them
?

>>64913183
people just out here saying dumb shit because they're bored, anon. Thread's full of text vomit.

>>64913175
I can touch the front of the trigger guard on my USP 45 with my index finger while maintaining a normal grip. Sounds like your little hands need help holding onto a gun, so you need to rely on ugly ass finger grooves to reduce the grip circumference.
>>64913183
HK has stopped implementing finger grooves on newer designs. “Moving away from” is a pretty common idiom, especially in the business world, so I’m not sure why you’re confused by my use of it.

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Just use. 10mm +P derringer cuh, for teh lulz

>>64912959
Maybe they mean the compact.
My pdp compact is snappy, my 17L has none

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>>64913746

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>>64914968
>posts AI slop
>Hasn't posted a gun
>Has tiny manlet hands
>is brown
SAD!

>>64912748
is it true the PPQ/PDP trigger is just the P99's SA pull

>>64915153
To me it feels like the break is heavier on the P99. I’ll have to check them out side by side when I get home.

>>64915136
Post hand, brainlet plebbitard videogameairsoftcartoonlarpstreamer.

>>64907117
>9mm seether is a mutt's law poster
yeah it figures

>>64919265
9 mm is good, but not for everything Yoran.

>>64893281
have you tried the "german reload?" You index your trigger finger high up on the frame and use your strong hand middle finger to push the magazine down. It's really easy and a hoot.

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>>64916081
Your turn anon. Let's see your hand, and a gun.
>inb4 coping about why you can't post those things

>>64919437
It's better than .40 and .45 for people.

>>64919559
Get killed.

>>64919569
Wrong

>>64919586
You seem upset. It couldn't be because you don't actually own any guns and are brown, could it?
>>64919593
Nope. Sorry, but lil noguns fellas like yourself aren't allowed to have opinions. Especially when it's a retarded opinion.

>>64919604
Keep coping plebbitard Brainlet larpstreamairsoftvideogamer Nogunz.

>>64919611
I'm sure one of those words will really hurt if you just keep slinging em

>>64919632
I'm sure eventually someone will care that (You) post on 4chan
maybe a few more posts'll do it

>>64896330
Calling someone nogunz without posting a gun yourself doesn't really work.

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>>64919611
See anon, I've posted a gun, while you haven't. Seems like you're accusing me of being what you are. You know, projecting.

>>64919640
>>64919644
Posting pictures on an imageboard. Hm

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>>64919559
>>64919604
>White
>hasguns
>HK
>Acro
>HST(?)
>regulates the brownoid thirdies in their place
Holy based!

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I for one like the finger grooves on the P30 and VP9, because I have fingers. I like how my fingers go into the finger groves on the handgun when I hold it with my hands and fingers. I think deleting them on the A1s is kind of a step backwards in ergonomics, but it's not a huge deal. If you don't like finger grooves, that is okay. If you think the finger grooves are not finger grooves, then you are retarded ESL.

>>64893266
Every single Glock copy is better than the Glock... actual Glocks are literally the worst Glocks.

>>64920998
@grok
is this true?

>>64920503
>>64920543
ok Tel Aviv

>>64920543
My bro's VP9 is the most comfortable pistol I've ever held. That being said, my Echelon 4.0C is a close second. Shooting them both back to back, I slightly prefer the Echelon. Probably because I picked the back strap that was most comfortable while shooting, rather than the one I liked best to hold.