If you really want that gun then you'll learn to deal with .380. Otherwise the gun's barely smaller than micro 9s like the P365 so there's other options.

>>64894624
Youre free to get a 9mm pistol that sma- oh nvm. Sig v crowns and the 99 grain federal bullets are both good

>>64894643
9mms do exist that are about the same size.

>>64894624
Grab the S&W EZ shield so that when you are super old and have arthritis, you can still shoot.

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>>64894647
Same height, same length, find one with the same width though. P365 is wider by a good amount, that said though i prefer the LCP max which is slightly smaller than the bodyguard anyway

i've kinda just gone back to the glock 26 after trying a lot of shit. it works with my 19 mags and shoots pretty good.

i have a g42 in my right front pocket and i'm wearing girl jeans.

380 isn't great, but I sure like my pocketsand.

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>>64894629
>barely smaller than micro 9s
Wrong.
BG2.0 is significantly smaller than subcompact and micro 9 mms

>>64894664
>>64894993
>1 inch vs 0.8 inches width with almost the same dimensions otherwise.
A good deep concealment holster like the Enigma or just having some kind of proper setup that allows for an IWB setup that's concealed but accessible will negate most benefits from having the slimmest of the slim guns unless you work in an office where they require tucked in button up shirts.

>>64894624
If a .380 isn't pocket size then it's just a girl gun. S&W is pulling some BS here, they know we want that gun in pocket size but released the first iteration in a retarded size. When idiots cave and get that model, and sales eventually slow down, they'll release the acceptable size model and the idiots will buy that too. Don't fall for it, a .380 waistband gun is absolutely retarded unless you're a weak woman.

You could stuff that one in your pocket if you're fat but it'll still be obvious, so not really deep concealment and not really taking advantage of the small frames .380 can have. I can fit a p365 in my pocket but it's extremely obvious.

>>64895191
What is a pocket sized handgun if not the p365 or the bodyguard? Ive never owned a gun that small but I would like one with a half decent capacity and reliable. The only thing that seems to be reliable at such small sizes are those tiny revolvers, but at that point I feel like I'd give up too much compared to my m&p.

>>64895182
>nitpicking
It's smaller and much lighter. And a better design than the P365

>>64895182
>IWB
Yes i agree, however for pocket carry the p365 is utterly mogged and the convenience of pocket carry cannot be understated. For IWB no point going as small as a p365 imo when you can just as effectively cram something much bigger in

>>64895191
>>64895182

i am so tired of feelsposters on /k/ saying dumb shit based off of zero practical experience.

>>64895269
Post your bodyguard.

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>>64895272
i don't have one. i've fired my friend's tho. i CC a baby browning because sometimes i dont want to wear a holster.

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>>64894624
If it's good enough for Franz Ferdinand it's good enough for me.

>>64895191
>a .380 waistband gun is absolutely retarded unless you're a weak woman.
>you MUST put a pocket sized handgun in your pocket
what kind if fudfaggotry is this? Yeah bro lemme shove my handgun into my deep ass cargo pocket

>>64895276
So youre a feelsposter saying dumb shit gotcha.

>>64894682
i always lean towards getting a Glock 26 because of it taking pretty much any 9mm Glock mag. Flush fit mag for carry and a extended grip mag for any other shooting. It's unfortunate how fat the 26 is but damn is it small in height and length

>>64894624
to me the BG 2.0 is the current best pocket semi-auto so if you specifically want that as an option. If you want 9mm then just go DB9, Shield, Hellcat, 43, etc. don't even consider .380 if you're gonna be whining about it being weaker than 9mm. As for me I don't care; ten rounds of .380 will absolutely btfo someone let alone five or six rounds

>>64897114
The width is the only real problem with the 26. Everything else is dialed in.

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>>64895191
But this is the second bodyguard model...
And it's even slightly larger lol on top of being almost an entirely different gun.

Going smaller would be getting into a look how hard I can piss showdown with the ruger LCP and it doesn't seem like that's worked out well for anyone that's tried.
Even kel tec gave up and they were there first.

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bg 2.0 is great
in the pocket it looks like you have shit in your pocket but it doesn't scream gun especially with a pocket holster
but what really makes it great is how well it shoots at such a small size, most .380 pocket pistols have shitty ergos and micro 9s are jumpy as hell
shooting the bg 2.0 with it's .380 and good ergos feels like shooting a full sized 9mm

>>64897338
If I could direct mount an optic Id be sold but even the EPS carry sticks over the sides of a 365 so I dont know if its practical or even possible. Ive shot plenty of small guns and theyre all kinda ass for me to shoot accurately past 25 feet without an optic.

>>64897348
no, slide is too small you're not getting an optic on it
could probably get a laser

>>64897348
for a gun like this the slide is way too fuckin small for an optic lmao you dont need it

>>64897348
your only realistic option is the viridian green dot made specifically to match the bg2 slide. mounting plate replaces the rear sight so feasibility depends on how much you trust that thing with no backup

>>64897355
>>64897361
>>64898747
Maybe in another 5-10 years we'll have some red dots capable, I'd settle for a laser grip I guess but I can point shoot usually okay with these smaller guns its just getting accurate shots after 25-30ish feet that I struggle with due to the short barrel combined with 20+ moa front sights.

>>64894719
faggot

>>64897338
>feels like shooting a full sized
This is the integral genius of S&W's Bodyguard 2.0. Designed and engineered a micro(/pocket) pistol that most people can get a near-full handgrip on, and has a manual of arms akin to a subcompact/compact semiauto. Honey I shrunk the Shield achieved perfectly.

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Bersa :)

>>64898812
With how small an optic would have to be in order to fit on a bodyguard you hardly have any optics window left.

>>64894624
9mm isn't even that "great" in the grand scheme of things, especially with gimped short barrel velocities. literally the same bullet diameter so the sme bullet technology will transfer over for the most part. anything you hit with 380 will do 9mm type damage. shot placement is everything with 9mm as is, how many times have you seen criminals tank mag dumps froma glock 17?
>>64894629
it's significantly thinner, the most innovative part about it. it's the next evolution since stack and a half hellcat/365 sized guns.

>>64900265
.380 is notorious for either ice picking or deflecting/failing to penetrate enough and its more expensive.

>>64900270
> ice picking
> low penetration
pick one. but anyways, things like hsts do the same thing regardless of caliber, just a matter of how wide they open up.a 9mm will open up easier, but it's not night and day

>>64900298
Pick one depending on the ammo you mean. You realize theres more than one right?

Lcp2 gang, lcp max is pigfat double stack

>>64900300
yeah but lets be real here, there are like 2 mainstream hollowpoints most people use these days.

>>64894624
.380 IMO is great, at-least where I’m at I believe it’s cheaper by the carton than 9 and with the smaller-ish form factor the kick should be around the same so you aren’t missing much aside from pen. power but if you are in a situation to use that in self-defense it shouldn’t be any problem

>>64899608
Bersa’s are awesome

>>64900265
>it's significantly thinner,
how is it thinner if the bullet is the same caliber?

>>64900964
what? The 365 is in 9mm and is thicker than the BG 2.0 which is in .380

>>64901026
.380 and .9mm are the same caliber. the bullets are the same size, the only difference is the case length and therefore powder capacity and pressure. so why would a .380 be thinner?

>>64901072
.380 allows for a thin slide with less mass

>>64901072
I thought the projectiles were slightly off in size similar to .357 mag vs 9mm, and .380 is straight walled while 9mm is slightly tapered

>>64901091
wiki says they are both 0.355
>>64901082
that makes sense

>>64897303
>piss showdown with the ruger LCP
Went fine for Kel Tec, the company that Ruger was trying to copy with the LCP.

>>64894624
380 was created by JMB, 9mm was created by some gay europoor nobody cares about, it's that shrimple

>>64901312
Is that your crush? Gay reasoning to shoot a pocket pistol round over 9.

>>64901312
based, true and correct post

>>64894624
I like mine. I didn't realize how tiny they were until I held one and they handle p crazy. Every other .380 I've ever used has sucked shit to shoot, but the bg2 actually got me to buy bulk .380 and pink for fun.

>>64901312
>.380 was invented by JMB
He cut a 9mm in half, wow that genius

>>64901298
>Even kel tec gave up and they were there first
Emphasis on this, anon. Kel-Tec discontinued the p3at after years of flagging sales. I say this as a fan of both companies

>>64895182
>IWB
Carrying a 0.8" wide .380 IWB is dumb. It's a pocket gun.

>>64894658
Equalizer > Shield EZ. Same size, double stack mag.

>>64901702
>Equalizer > Shield EZ. Same size, double stack mag.
Yes, but he'll struggle to load and shoot it when he's 80. Maybe get both?

>>64901755
>Yes, but he'll struggle to load and shoot it when he's 80.
Uh no. They come with an uplula.

>>64894624
.380 is gay and retarded. 9mm or .32 for compacts and micros.

>>64900964
>>64901072
The absolute fucking state of this board.

>re-opens thread
>last 20 posts are a retarded caliber slapfight

>>64902177
9millimeterdicks always lash out

>>64901535
smarter than any yuro thirdie

>>64901575
Becauses Kel-Tec's .380 was a "just good enough" barely engineered rechambering of the P32 <--in which caliber the design was most effective.
S&W's Bodyguard 2.0 is a complete re-conception of both the micro/"pocket" pistol, and the .380 ACP handgun more broadly. Have to hand it to them, they did their engineering design homework

>>64904385
Are Kel Tec and Beretta the only companies putting out new mass market .32 pistols?
Do they still make the .32 guardian?

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I sure do like .380 and I even like the original Bodyguard. It's an LCP with a better trigger, good sights, and doesn't suck complete balls to shoot. It's a shame they totally stopped making it, it's a deep concealment pistol. But larger .380s like a Makarov are pretty fun, and .380 has actually gotten cheaper over the years, so it's a great time to get into it.

>>64905392
>Are Kel Tec and Beretta the only companies putting out new mass market .32 pistols?
No. NAA and Seecamp too.
>Do they still make the .32 guardian?
Yes.

>>64905624
I had seecamp in mind too I just thought they were a tiny operation that turns out double digit amounts of guns a year like that company that makes new baby brownings

>>64905643
Hey, new production guns are new production guns. Your question did led me to research that led me to discover that the PP, PPK, and PPK/S have been discontinued, unfortunately. There was once a time that it was the only reliable pocket pistol on the market.

>>64905664
True, and I won't trash seecamp for keeping their dream alive. I was just thinking mass market. Are seecamps still super pickey with ammunition or whatever. I feel like I remember the guy saying it was winchester silvertips or nothing.
>PP, PPK, and PPK/S have been discontinued
Like, all of them or just the .32s? A shame either way.

>>64905761
>Like, all of them or just the .32s?
All of them. I'm glad to see the unreliable .22 go, but the .32 and .380 worked great.

>>64895705
*Gavrilo Princip

>>64905624
Walther still making those .32 ppks?

>>64895705
Previous attempt
>Čabrinović swallowed his cyanide pill and jumped into the Miljacka river. Čabrinović survived the suicide attempt, as the old cyanide only induced vomiting, and the Miljacka was only 13 cm deep due to the hot, dry summer. Police dragged Čabrinović out of the river, and he was severely beaten by the crowd before being taken into custody.
Talk about bad luck.

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Speaking of small .380 / 9mm pistols... let's call them pocket/ccw pistols?

Are there any which are known to have reliability issues? Are there any which are known to be super reliable? Any other "known issues" that you can think of?

>>64909878
Your question had been answered two posts below the one you asked; see >>64905664.

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at some point surely the grip is too small to hold properly ?

>>64911536
That is way too broad of a question.

>>64913645
When the ring finger is feeling the edge, it's a meme gun.

>>64911657
Yeah I saw that, didn’t refresh the page before I asked lol. Rookie mistake.

>>64911536
I like the look of that gun in your pick. Too bad it's made by kimber

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>>64897355
>slide is too small you're not getting an optic on it
Well that's where you're wrong faggot.
https://viridianweapontech.com/viridian-rfx1-for-s-w-bodyguard-ambient-light-sensor-auto-on?srsltid=AfmBOoqXEF1Eb36gH8dIf41pghxsSx6L356PA375pJ3Nx2DxMZnVMwYA

>>64919060
What a mistake

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>>64919206
Why? Because you have to take it off to disassemble the slide?
How often do you do that? Do you even own one?

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>>64897355
>>64919060
Who wore it better?
https://gideonoptics.com/shop-all/pebble-reflex-sight/

>>64919060
>>64919300
I mean... They're basically the same... But one is $10 cheaper so the (((capitalist))) in me says the gideon is better.

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>>64919247
Get 9 mm (subcompact >>64894993 or micro) if you want an optic.

>>64919429
>Imblyging you need an optic at 5 yards
Why do you carry a gun? What do you think you're going to do with it?

>>64919441
>gibberish
Idgaf about pistol optics they're for GIGAFaggots. Why tf are (You) replying to me?
It's the other Fuck Brains itt shilling a BG2.0 optic (on the smallest .380 ACP yet built)

what is wrong with this board
oh wait /k/ was controlled-demolitioned by the 2014 Maidan, /hg/ and /arg/

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>>64919060
>>64919300
what is the point of this rancid cheap shit? Wooow let me use a dot on this tiny gun that's probably going to be used in 20 feet. Seriously, why are dotheads like this? Is it just that they're incabable of using irons effectively?

>>64895243
The original Bodyguard or Ruger LCP.

No revolver will conceal well in your pocket, again you can carry a P365 but it's not gonna conceal well. A Ruger LCR doesn't conceal well. Yes they fit but they don't conceal and you're approaching a size where they can't be drawn quickly out of a pocket.

>>64895269
I'm tired of fatfucks claiming they can conceal a 9mm in their pocket. I've carried a Bodyguard in my pocket for 15+ years. You are fucking fat and also fat.

>>64897303
It's too goddamn big. The size of the original was fine, still slightly bigger than the LCP which sucked. An upgrade would've been shrinking it to conceal better, not fattening it up for fatties like the guy quoted above (fat fucking fatass).

>>64920167
The point is dots are better than 20 moa irons that suck ass on tiny pistols you dunb sperg. Youre trusting your life to 3 dollars of metal retard.

>>64921061
>I've carried a Bodyguard in my pocket for 15+ years.
Sorry I got sidetracked by that guy's offensive obesity, but even the OG Bodyguard sticks out when carrying innapocket. It's a big heavy bulge you're carrying around and if anyone is paying attention it doesn't look like a phone or wallet. It's fatter than a phone and bigger than a wallet. If you're wearing sweats it's so heavy it swings when you walk. So even micro .380s are not the best for deep concealment, people paying attention and knowing what to spot are able to tell or will just be suspicious of this giant square package stuffed in your pocket. Revolvers don't solve it either, the shape is more obvious and the cylinder sticks out a lot. The best thing is just keep it as small as possible. I almost went with a Ruger LCP just due to the slightly smaller size, but Ruger quality is trash and it didn't have a safety.

>>64921085
>brother in shite thinks he is going to shoot someone 100 yards away with a .380 pocket gun
go ahead and consoom i wont stop you

>>64894624
If they had released this gun in 2022, .30 Super Carry would still be with us today.

>>64920167
>a dot on this tiny gun that's probably going to be used in 20 feet
Correct.
It's like putting drag slicks on a Fiat 500.

>>64921346
>go ahead and consoom i wont stop you
Also correct.

>>64921061
It's lighter and less of a shitbrick than the original with twice the magazine capacity. And, for people with up to medium size hands can be wielded with a full grip as a subcompact or compact pistol would be. It's the first micro handgun that can actually be handled and fired like its 'normal' sized contemporaries.

>>64921092
>people paying attention and knowing what to spot are able to tell or will just be suspicious of this giant square package stuffed in your pocket
What'cha got planned there rambo?
Gonna shoot up a bar?
Anyone who knows what that bulge is isn't going to care because they're probably carrying too.

>>64921346
Let me guess liberal you need more than 6 shots?

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>>64921346
>go ahead and consoom i wont stop you
Oh, I'm about to out of pure spite, nigger. >Pic related, it's your name tag.

Anti dot fudds are the anti mag fed autoloader fudds of the 2020s

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>>64894624
>people ITT talking about red dots on a pocket pistol
Faggotry and retardation noted

>>64919392
The Pebble isn't actually sized correctly for the BG2.0, it's wider than the gun despite their efforts. At least the RFX1 actually fits. Either would stop it from going in my pocket comfortably though. I don't get dot "people".

>>64921835
This.

>>64921364
S&W could've put it in 30SC if they wanted to, but they never wanted anything to do with 30SC in the first place. They only made the guns that Vista paid them to make, and even then they held back production tremendously because they knew nobody would be interested and no other brands would hop on board. Here we are years later, the cartridge is discontinued, and only one non-contract gun was ever made in 30SC, a fucking Hi-Point. This gun couldn't have saved 30SC because you couldn't actually put 30SC in it, once you actually give it a slide and barrel that'd handle 30SC and made the grip larger to handle the additional length, you've got a Shield Plus. 30SC was always retarded and never even succeeded at its only marketing bullet-point: magazine capacity. You can get 10rds of 380 into the mag of a BG2.0, know how many rounds of 30SC you can fit in a mag the same height? Also 10. Guess how rounds of 9mm you can fit into that same height? It's also 10. It doesn't help until you're into big mags on big guns, yes you can get 28rds of 30SC where 24rds of 9mm fit, but did you see anyone crying out for a 30SC 2011? Retarded meme bullet appeals to retards who suck off advertisers while nobody with half a brain ever gave a shit. Can't wait for you all to fade away now that it's discontinued entirely.

>>64921846
>dot "people"
It's the videogamer/funkopop virtue signal my-accoutrements-are-proper mentality. 'Everything has to have one.' No, not everything needs to be samizdat, and firearms equipment-accessories like any tool should be appropriate and specific to the gun and task.

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>>64921810
>Buy gun because it's tiny
>Make it bigger and harder to conceal
>Not getting a Glock 19 sized compact instead

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>>64921926
>tfw no FPC and partner m&p 2.0 4" compact in .30 super carry
Just imagine the alternate timeline where instead of the shield EZ, we got the shield plus and these

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I want everyone to know I did this out of pure spite, hatred, and a desire to piss off faggots on this website.

>>64921809
well make sure to get the gun first

>>64922031
Congratulations on being a certified faggot.

>>64922031
What did you by, tiny ass little nigga?

I got an LCP Max as first carry gun because I assumed anything larger would be too much of a hassle to carry, I'm not that committed to carrying, and its better to have something Ill always take than something I don't. The guys at the LGS politely but repeatedly prodded me like "are you sure this is what you want?" because, according to them, its miserable to shoot and not hard to conceal a normal compact anyway.

Well they were right and wrong at the same time IMO. I only later tried IWB OWB holsters on a full size handgun and found it perfectly easy and comfortable to conceal, so that wasnt the issue I thought it was. But otoh I find shooting the LCP to be perfectly fine and dont get the trigger bite everyone complains about, and it is ultimately more comfortable to pocket carry than a belt holster. Some anons saying it still prints are correct but a good holster will obscure the shape and no one's paying attention anyway. All in all am happy with the .380

Blogpost OVER and OUT

>>64922069
Already got it bitch tits. >>64919247
>>64922088
A red dot for my pocket pistol in case I need to take a 100 yard hostage shot.

380 is where it's at. When you want conceal ability, they can be smaller than 9mms, when you want full size, they're softer shooting than 9mm. It's worth the slightly more expensive ammo.

>>64922161
tell us how the el cheapo dot does

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>>64922185
>Slightly more expensive ammo
>2x the price as 9mm
>Costs the same as 5.7, 10mm, and 5.56

>>64922282
where in the FUCK are you getting your .380 lmao