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>>64898158
What is up with the Virginias? Virginia is about to make "prolescum shalt not possess arms" their actual gun law, and West Virginia is doing this?

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>>64898158
another victory for best VA, gobbless
>>64898171
VA is glownigger antichrist HQ, 99% of the population are golems/welfare leeches who hate fun
t.ex virginian

>the government will pick and choose who to sell to

>>64898171
Idk, it’s pretty wild how different they are right? It’s almost like that’s why 2 different Virginias exist. I wonder if the Dakotas are like this.

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>>64898189
Nah were pretty similar when compared to other "geographically described" states.
The Megakota was a meme but really wouldnt be the worst.

>>64898189
Same with the Kansases really

>>64898199
We need Megakota

>>64898171
Virginian here. Originally Virginia was one large state, arguably the most powerful one in the early days, definitely the most powerful southern state. Despite Virginia being the MVP of the confederates, a lot of Virginia didn't want to secede, and the vote for secession was actually done on a county-to-county basis. West Virginia was formed from the counties that wanted to remain in the Union. After the war this separation remained in place. West Virginia is almost all mountains, Virginia only has mountains in the west. The center is mostly rolling hills and the east is largely flat and coastal. (this is of course an oversimplification for brevity's sake). Despite the different geography and thus economies, the two remained reasonably similar culturally until the mid-20th century.

This is when the big change in Virginia began. Originally Washington D.C. was conceived of as an administration center and little else. It was in the center of the country (at the time anyway), with the logic being that putting the federal government in an established city like New York City, Boston, or Richmond would give one state too much power over the others. However, the world wars saw America's federal government expand significantly, not just in power but specifically in manpower. More and more agencies were being formed, and that demanded people move to DC. But DC is small and not a state by design. So people from all over the country moved to counties adjacent to DC to fill demand. This has resulted in Northern Virginia becoming very different from the rest of VA, and with how dense and rich it is, NOVA has disproportionate influence in state politics. NOVA isn't the only blue part of the state, but their finger on the scale makes all the difference in local elections.

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>>64898171
the biggest employer in virginia or one of the biggest employers is the federal government. There's a region called NOVA, northern virgina, that's basically a DC suburb filled with DC workers who vote heavily anti gun.

>>64898189
>>64898199
>>64898201
there are 2 different Virginias because Virginia was the first colony so it had a huge landgrab that involved land on the other side of the mountains. it's hard to govern over mountains and that's what eventually lead to west virgina. the PNW currently has this same issue
there are 2 Dakotas because 2 different trainlines ran though the major cities of each of the 2 eventual states, but there was no good way to go between major cities in dakota north south because there was no north south train, that and I think there was some senate fuckery at the time when they were added

>>64898171
Country road

Is we getting switches

>>64898171
Being in proximity to DC caused Virginia to slowly succumb to cancer, just like MD did years ago. WV is far enough from DC that none of the fags that work there would want live in WV. WV is also too poor and lacking in infrastructure to attract leftists. I think WV has also been "discovered" recently as a cheap place to retire to, so who the fuck knows if it's going to stay the way it is.

>>64898333
Thank you for the in depth explanation, anon.

>>64898171
Bloomberg keeps funding blues to try and kill guns here, I was trying to get people here to show up for lobby day, but was immediately met overwhelmingly by black pills who said virginia was already lost. Essentially NPCs outnumbered real people and virginia is paying the price for no child left behind and Bloomberg bucks.

>>64898740
>immediately met overwhelmingly by black pills
I hate doomers so fucking much

>>64898556
> I think WV has also been "discovered" recently as a cheap place to retire to, so who the fuck knows if it's going to stay the way it is.


Let’s hope this law passes so makes any of those undesirables flee

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>>64898171
CIA is HQed out in VA, wouldnt be surprised if they did some mkultra psyops to the local population to hate their rights

>>64898171
West Virginia, the place no one wants to be

>>64898333
DC is in MD not VA. The VA ceded land was returned to VA. Tired of fags saying this dumb shit even history teachers fuck it up.

It was also in the south because the Northern states completely dominated commerce and wanted to give us an ice leaf giving the seat of political power over to the south. It didn't work obviously.

T. Maryland

>>64899198
He means people who work there live in NOVA. Stop being so literal.

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>>64899198
>DC is in MD not VA.
DC is in DC. it's not in any state. it's on the northern bank of the Potomac River and used to be in MD with Alexandria being ceded back to virginia. but all of the faggot who work for and with the government live in northern virginia

>>64899198
>>It was also in the south because the Northern states completely dominated commerce and wanted to give us an ice leaf giving the seat of political power over to the south. It didn't work obviously.
See the compromise of 1790. (((Hamilton))) wanted all of the Revolutionary War debt federalized. Jefferson and Madison were against it because it involved giving bonds to (((rich speculator))) who were friends with (((Hamilton))). Most of what (((Hamilton))) did involved trying to use bonds, the federal government and central bank to send funds to the rich. after the revolution a bunch of vets sold their bonds? contracts to be paid? to the rich for pennies on the dollar and (((Hamilton))) made sure his rich speculator buddies got paid full face value for those bonds.
Anyway they moved the capital to Maryland in exchange for the federalization of the states' war debt and then Jefferson or Madison later regretted it because they figured travel would become easier so a southern capital wasn't really worth it

>>64898748
What? You think mental 12 year olds saying it's already over and there's no point in even trying don't meaningfully contribute to the conversation? Nonsense. See, you're the real cuckold for trying to prevent a bad thing from happening, smart people sit on their hands and just let it happen instead of taking any kind of action

>>64898748
Doomers are the fucking worst, and they're so fucking smug about being defeatist cucks, too.

>>64898158


Here is an explanation (all the legal/technical details):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jucG6omYDFs

>>64898158
Black people gonna get some gatlings? This bill is dead.

Virginiafag here, someone please nuke NOVA, I am fucking begging you. I am going to GTFO to WV the second I can.

>>64898158
I just want an affordable grease gun.

NOVA's pretty fun, anti-2A aside. Tyson's Corner is fun

>>64900236
>NOVA
>Fun
>Implying miles of shitskin filled commie blocks and strip malls are fun

>>64900179
do blacks even live in west virginia? there aren't any major cities in the state

>>64900222
>Tyson's Corner
More like tehrans corner, that place is full of muslims

>>64900023


WGL :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9UaSoonIeg

>>64901226

Corrected
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9UaSoonleg

>>64898158
can't wait for the epic school shootings

>>64899198
>Marylander as good at knowing history as he is at driving. [spoiler] jk I love you Maryland, you're our brother state even if you can't drive. [/spoiler]

Shocking. DC isn't in MD, it's not in VA. The land was gonna be taken half and half from both to make a perfect square. But we did throw a bitchfit about our half though and they gave it back, which became Arlington. I'm sure you guys have your own NOVA equivalent for the fedbois on your side of the Potomac.

But saying we were "given" DC as a concession isn't accurate, give our ancestors a bit more slack, the south might have been agrarian, but it was an equal partner. The Virginian Dynasty of early presidents wasn't a consolation prize from the northerners, it was a genuine reflection of the power and prestige that state once held. Now it's a satrapy of DC.

>>64901031
There are a small amount of black Appalachians in general. The funny thing is they talk and act exactly like the white hillbillies.

>>64901412
Kind of comforting in a way.

>>64901408
The whole thing with Arlington is that when Washington picked the site he wanted Arlington to become the port of DC, but Baltimore is so close that never actually happened and nothing was ever built by the feds in Arlington so it just became a shithole city that was only used as a slave selling port so DC gave it back to virginia in 1847 and then banned slave trading in DC because they thought selling slaves in the capital was a bad look. They aren't using it for any federal buildings so it would be just more of DC city to have to manage and it's kind of dumb all of those faggots moved to DC to do crime anyway. Granted, it would probably still be richer than DC since it's where the pentagon is and it's south of the river which is a natural barrier to the chocolate city

>>64898341
Every time some pundit screams "But (country I want to go to war with) has the capacity to wipe out DC and the surrounding area!" I just think we should be so lucky. The real reason no one will ever attack our Capitol is if the federal government and all alphabet agencies were wiped out tomorrow, approximately 0 Americans would see a negative impact on their day-to-day life.

>>64901438
You could take out the top 20 cities in America and now we're back to 90% white and basically unstoppable

>>64898171
Virginia is dominated by DC employees who live in suburbs in northern Virginia. West Virginia is one gigantic piece of Appalachia, complete with a devastated industry that combines with the well-intentioned but ultimately counterproductive federal welfare programs to create a region of permanent impoverishment.

As a rule of thumb, poor white trash = chuds and therefore typically more pro-gun, while affluent suburbanites = libs and therefore typically more anti-gun.

>>64901438
The welfare leeches (a not insubstantial portion of the population these days) would definitely feel it. States can't fund the gibs on their own, they'd go bust almost overnight, so the only solution would be to cut welfare off overnight until something much more modest could be instituted in its stead.

>>64901667
You seem to be ignoring the fact that the US has primarily been a service economy since the '90s, and that those services have been concentrated in the cities. Wipe them out, and we actually collapse into nationwide poverty since our primary national revenue stream (which feeds the entire system) would evaporate and we'd have nothing to offer for cheap chink goods. Starvation hopefully wouldn't be an issue, as long as nobody's stupid enough to try and collectivize the farms "in the national interest," but we'd absolutely collapse into a minor power who gets dictated to, instead of dictating to others.

>>64902650
>US has primarily been a service economy since the '90s,
thanks, nafta

>>64898171
Dems figured out they could take over VA after it voted for Obama and have deliberately sought to take it over.

>>64902701
>they could take over virginia
republicans only held tim kane's senate seat for 2 nonconsecutive terms dating back to 1875. John Warner is the only republican in history to serve more than one term as a virginia senator.
it was always a purple state. the parties just got further apart after the 1994 awb, obongo, the tea party, banning pork barrel spending and Trump

>>64902672
you play the hand you're dealt, reindustrialization is good but a long way off

>>64902732
go watch the 1992 presidential debates. Perot literally said all off the jobs would leave if NAFTA was signed. Both parties were super pro nafta

>>64902757
NAFTA
'Nother Afternoon Fuckin' That Ass

>>64902925
giant sucking sound

>>64901438
I keep asking American anons to have the Air Force flatten Brussels and Strasbourg but they haven't done so yet I think.

>>64903562
Just toss a coin into traffic, any nearby citizens of thoes countries will jump to their deaths to save it

>>64901031
Beckley and Bluefield are 25% nigger, Charleston's 21% nigger, Huntington is 15% nigger, and Morgantown, surprisingly, is only 12% nigger.

Getting this thread back to the original topic, here's a link to the legislation:

https://www.wvlegislature.gov/Bill_Status/bills_text.cfm?billdoc=sb1071%20intr.htm&yr=2026&sesstype=RS&i=1071

18 USC 922(o) (the Hughes Amendment) states:
> (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to transfer or possess a machinegun.
> (2) This subsection does not apply with respect to—
>(A) a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof or a State, or a department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
>(B) any lawful transfer or lawful possession of a machinegun that was lawfully possessed before the date this subsection takes effect.

WV is using section 2(A), where states are allowed to make transfers, and those MGs can be possessed under the authority of said state. The bill establishes an "Office of Public Defense" which would sell MGs (including, but not limited to, "AR-15/M16-platform, M249-type, and MP5-type Machineguns") to the public through the State Police barracks. There will be a $250 markup over whatever they pay the manufacturers, and transfers would go through the office with a $275 fee (except for handing it down to heirs). Because this is an LE transfer, it would be on a Form 5 instead of a Form 4.

Legally, this is very interesting. Bondi had endorsed a similar theory in the FRT case (that government could transfer post-86 MGs to civilians directly), I don't see any core reason why there'd be an issue. The bill doesn't say anything about residency being required, so other states' residents might be able to buy them. They'll probably stick to the listed platforms first to stay above board (given how some departments have gotten in trouble over spurious law letters for posties. Given that the WV legislature is supermajority GOP, with a GOP governor, I suspect this passes easily. Whether the ATF plays ball is another story.

>>64909247
>WV is using section 2(A)
Crazy coincidence lol

>>64909247
damn you fags are lucky
>tfw if I lived in best virginia I could have an MP5 and a full auto AR

>>64909247
Shame that it won’t bring down the price of transferables that much.

>>64909247
>Machineguns acquired and transferred by the Office under this Act shall be the same as, or of like kind to, those machineguns currently in use by law enforcement or the United States Armed Forces
Home defense M242 let’s fucking go!

>>64909262
I know, I thought that was funny too.
>>64909295
I'm down in SC. Used to be in NoVa. Only ever visited WV a few times. If this is open to non-residents, I'll need to make a trip up there.
>>64909316
It might, if they allow non-residents, but it will likely take awhile.
>>64909339
>kills burglar
>takes out your neighbor's house in the process

>>64909363
> if they allow non-residents
Can you even do interstate transfers for NFA items? I thought that that was the whole reason why Capital Armory had to set up FFLs in every state in order to send suppressors in the mail?

>>64909377
Big difference here is that this would be on Form 5, not Form 4. No tax stamp, and that is probably the main legal question, because getting a dealer involved would break the chain.

>>64909377
The whole point of this scheme is that they'd be NFA-exempt. They wouldn't be transferable, but you could always just sell them back to WV.

>>64909443
> The whole point of this scheme is that they'd be NFA-exempt
Except they’re not.

>>64898158
So is there any chance of this actually becoming law or is it just a nice thought? How much political backing does this have?

>>64909470
>>64909470
>any chance of becoming law
>what political backing does this have


Here are the 2 (attorney) videos answering that
1) >>64900023
2) >>64901228

>>64909470
>>64909489
Unlikely to be vetoed, but it might not be signed before the end of the legislative session (although they could have a special session). The major issue will be with whether the ATF plays ball or not.

>>64909247
>M249-type
Holy fucking shit, that's so awesome that the part of my brain that has been feminized by xenoestrogens thinks it's scary

>>64909339
>Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the prosecution has called my client's actions "overkill," but I believe that there can be no stronger proof that one feared for one's life than dumping an entire 200 round box of 5.56 into another living being. That's almost $100 of ammo. Would you blow that if you didn't think your assailant might get back up and hurt you or your loved ones?

Who do i have to spam call/email here in NC for this to happen

>>64910593
We can’t even get constitutional carry and you think they’re going to give machine guns out?

>>64910593
>Who do i have to spam call/email
PSA, FLOOD THEM!

>>64898333
when God created virginia he gave her all the states but virginia friendly state so they have other states land too

>>64898158
Awesome. Shouldn’t be too long til they proliferate all over the country. Every shooting should turn into a buzz saw event, & the arms race between every police dept & the public should make for some epic fireworks displays between competing domestic terrorist factions. Maximum popcorn munching entertainment.

>>64911984
there's zero chance they are going to end up with criminals in anything but a glowjob
go look at what guns criminals use, it's exclusively handguns, drakos and AR pistols because they want to be able to conceal the guns. you can't conceal an M249

>>64911653
Let me dream. Why do those assholes keep pushing it back

>>64899198
ok dummy how does that contradict any of what the other anon said

>>64911938
has anyone really been far

>>64902723
virginia gop is a complete joke and doesn't even qualify as controlled opposition. their idea to follow up actually winning governor for once was a black woman.

>>64902757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwmOkaKh3-s
watch this interview it's even better

>>64915018
what do you mean RINO kike deepstate faggots dont qualify as controlled opposition? are you implying both the demorat and gop virginia reps are all CIA kikes working towards the same goal of transitioning americas superpower status and wealth to israel? thats crazy you conspiracy theorist!

>>64898171
>>64898183
Virginia has been destroyed by DC and its southern suburbs. Fuckers have turned Virginia blue and now with their super majority, they have once again destroyed the culture. Look at that White birch governor. As a Deep Southerner, it's time we revoke their Southern card. If I were a Virginian, I would push for a separation from NOVA.

>>64915021
I'll check it out

>>64912263
They've already got machine guns anyway, with all the glock switches and shit going around.

>>64916873
yeah, but again those are hanguns or lightning links in AR pistols. they don't want anything they can't conceal

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>>64916873
For criminal enterprise purposes, the Glonk with da switch is basically their ideal machinegun 9 times out of 10, because it's a just a normal pistol most of the time, which is the most practical and preferred weapon on its own, but then with a flick of dat switch it'll be a vicious lead hose.

Rogue Jamals like bigger guns as trophy weapons, but anything properly two-handed and fired from the shoulder, which they're actually gonna use for Gangland Combat, will commonly be on the shorter side anyway, because while they might occasionally want 12-Gauge or 5.56mm power, they REALLY want it to be easy to hide in a car or something.

Being able to maintain a reasonable level of 'subterfuge' (relatively speaking) and element of surprise is really vital. There's also a level of cost, not all of them necessarily make the money they want, thus a weapon which isn't too big of an investment, so that it doesn't hurt if they have to destroy or ditch the thing and replace it, has an advantage.
An actual belt-fed support weapon would not fit easily into any of these paradigms, but classic cheap pocket guns, used handguns, and shotgats do, while the Turbo-Glonk is an agreeable Goldilocks Gat for many of them.

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>>64898171
>just moved here for work a couple months ago, can't leave until like 2030 unless I want to live in/right next to bodymore
time to blow my next 3-4 months of paychecks stockpiling I guess

>>64898158
This sounds too good to be true. I'm trying to be optimistic, but historically the GOP has fucked us so many times when it comes to the 2A cause a good chunk are fudd boomers who only care about their bolt action deer rifles.

>>64918909
literally every gun control law in US history was done by the dems

>>64918985
Reagan is the reason why pre-86 machine guns are tens of thousands of dollars, and he supported an AWB. Bush 43 had to be convinced into letting the 1994 AWB expire and supported a ban on "high capacity" magazines, Trump banned bumpstocks in his 1st term and wanted to ban suppressors and supported Red Flag Laws, and in this term he said you can't bring a gun to a protest. Also John Cornyn supported the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act.

Just because they have an R next to their name doesn't mean they're pro-2A. Plenty of Reps want to ban everything under the sun but are to pussy to admit it.

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>>64919001
>Reagan is the reason why pre-86 machine guns are tens of thousands of dollars
The Hughes was a poison pill and we still got FOPA
>Bush 43 had to be convinced into letting the 1994 AWB expire
The sunset was put in place as it was supposed to be that crime data would be used to reinstate it. The crime data showed that the AWB had no affect and thus wasn't brought up again
>Trump banned bumpstocks in his 1st term and wanted to ban suppressors and supported Red Flag Laws
Bumpstocks are legal again, suppressors weren't made illegal, and red flag laws were made dead in the water
>you can't bring a gun to a protest
then why can you still do it then (hint: getting violent with a gun at what's supposed to be protest will get you killed)
>Just because they have an R next to their name doesn't mean they're pro-2A.
is this your first time learning what a RINO is? this kind of shilling works better on reddit, which you should go back to

>>64919001
all lefties do is lie. if a lefty is talking they are 100% lying
>Reagan is the reason why pre-86 machine guns are tens of thousands of dollars
Hughes and Rangle, both dems from NJ and NY inserted the Hughes amendment into the FOPA as a poison pill to try to stop it from passing. Prior to the FOPA you couldn't mail order ammo, prohibited persons were ill defined, the ATF spent like 90% of their time harassing FFLS and going after randos who violated weird technicalities
>that barrel is only 15.9 inches
and states would arrest people from out of state for driving through with guns
>and he supported an AWB.
almost every vote for the AWB was from a dem and clinton pushed for it and signed it
>Trump banned bumpstocks in his 1st term
already overturned and most blue states banned bumpstocks
>and wanted to ban suppressors
most blue states ban suppressors
>and supported Red Flag Laws,
literally every blue state has red flag laws, literally every dem supports red flag laws.
In Caniglia v. Strom 2021, dems in the federal government under Biden argued in front of the SCOTUS that cops should be allowed to break down your door and take your guns with no warrant or judge
>Also John Cornyn supported the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act.
literally every dem supported it
you are anti gun. the bad guys are the dems. you are trying to deflect blame

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>>64919086

>>64919001
Trump himself has been this and that on guns, but his Supreme Court pickings have had excellent results on 2A.