>>64898719
it's not going to do anything particularly impressive over the middle east, just run interference while someone else stomps on ground forces uncontested.

>>64898719
It'll be running CAP and the Iranians won't get any fighters up. It'll end up doing nothing again.

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the F22 never gets to do anything

>>64898719
I'd laugh my ass off if we got a Top Gun: Maverick in reverse.

>4 years into the 3 day SMO to de-nazify Iran, the US has lost its last carrier to an F-14 strike.

>>64898783
everything is so retarded and hyperbolic now that nobody can find a reasonable middle ground between
>every single piece of chinese equipment is paper mache junk that doesn't work
and
>every single piece of chinese equipment is a technological masterpiece worthy of a kardashev 2 civilization
Their high end kit is probably serviceable enough to treat as a threat (even if it winds up being an overestimation like the USSR) and almost anybody can turn out decent small arms and infantry equipment.

>>64898719
It'll shoot down missiles and that's it

>>64898719
it was good when it came out but its relatively short missile bays hold it back

>>64898803
Fucking this, shills and counter shills have made reasonable discussion impossible. Combine that with nuclear powers doing anything to avoid war with each other and all that matters is what each side is willing to supply for a proxy war.
If China invades Vietnam and the US isn't willing to have Americans shooting down Chinese then it comes down to will the US provide Vietnam with F-35s. I doubt it so even if chinkshit is way worse than clapshit all that matters is if it's better than Su-30s.

>>64898844
>reasonable discussion impossible.
That's damn near impossible with Chinese equipment given data on them either doesn't exist or comes solely from the PLA with dubious reliability. I'd be happy to have a reasonable discussion if we saw their gear in action or they had open testing and results. Until then it's speculation as wide as the pacific ocean.

>>64898858
there's a difference between acknowledging speculation and plugging your ears and dismissing everything out of hand

>>64898858
Given there industrialization and the engineering of the consumer goods they could make decent kit. From there it depends on their incentive structure ie. is it better to point out problems or hide them. From the outside we have no idea, only glowies would know.

>>64898809
Please, let the Iranians takeoff so it can at least score a real A2A kill. Anything but its entire record being downing one balloon.

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How many active F14s are left?

>>64898783
>chips
>litho done in US
>packaging done in SEA
>put into end stage assembly in WniniePoohia
lol, lmao

>>64898770
Ground attack kings can't stop winning.
*cue Going in for Guns*

>>64898844
>If China invades Vietnam

The last time they tried that was in 1979 and they got their asses kicked right the fuck out of the country in less than a month.

>>64898719
Interesting, American military assets don't typically get stationed in Israel proper.

>>64898783
You think chips come from China? Only the shittiest of Chinese analog chips are used in west.

>>64898896
Supposedly Iran has only 2 left. Questionable if they're airworthy.

>>64898896
I don't think anyone has an exact number, but the Israelis destroyed five on the ground in the last round if fighting. Airworthy, I doubt they have more than a dozen now.

>>64899037
And that was coming from a previously estimated total of 35. At least wherever Wikipedia got their source.

>>64898719
So good it's now been copied thrice.

>>64899011
West Taiwan and Taiwan are separate political entities.

>>64898719
Those niggas better be carrying pods and GoPros to film everything. I want my epic F22 vs F14 kino webms

>>64898753
Does Iran even have anything for these to actually shoot? Israel had uncontested air superiority in literal hours.

>>64899177
Theyre there to shoot down drones and ballistic missiles m8

>>64899190
By the end of the 12-day war, they were running pretty low on these. I can't imagine the situation improves this time around. Maybe for a day they'll have something to shoot but once they start shooting, the launchers get targeted first, along with whatever shit ass S-400s they managed to buy.

>>64898719
Hoping to see it get a killmark besides a fucking balloon. This plane got blueballed so hard.

It's an open secret that sufficiently advanced radios can work together and project whatever emissions signature the hardware is capable of.
This, even, is the very basis of standard comms tech such as mimo beamforming which exists in a majority of common home wifi routers.
Sufficiently advanced radio technology can not only project a spectra to a desired location, it can actively detect other sources of spectra and emit inverse energy which can cancel out those other emitters' spectra.

But da eff twenny too don got mucha dat itz awl speed mcqueen's 'n bug gurglers n shid, ykno e-war typa shid. Big birdy's a bit more basic in those regards.

>>64898719
such beautiful planes
it will be a great shame to see them fall out the sky

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>>64899011
If it's military, there's a good chance that it actually did come from the US.

>https://www.skywatertechnology.com/aerospace-defense/

Looks like this thread pissed off the chinkoid.

>>64898719
The US is betting everything on stealth, computers and electronics and that's why they'll lose in a direct, raw confrontation against Russia or China. It's prophesied so any post suggesting the opposite is cope.

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>>64898780
What a sad fantasy not even close to reality. Iran can't (and won't) do shit and is already crippled from hyperinflation, internal revolts, and water shortages

It's a shame that this superb plane will be fighting a cause that's unworthy as absolute fuck.

>>64899347
China is also betting everything on stealth, computers, and electronics, backed up by waves of meat when the inevitably run out of the former. Russia bet it all on waves of armor then fell back on meat when they ran out. The results are not promising.

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>>64899347
the US strategy is dominance and supremacy in all domains. this does not translate to your language even with machine learning (which we created in the 1950's) writing you an essay in your screeching nasal dialect.

>>64899260
What am i looking at here?

>>64899072
>IRL Shotgun Raptor vs GS & LongShot Tomcat. Vulcan only. Final Destination
Sign me in.

>>64899338
>filename
gave me a chuckle anon.

>>64899347
>the holy roman empire is betting everything on swords, pikes, and arrows
>and that's why they'll lose in a direct, raw confrontation against ubungo of the water buffalo tribe in nigeria
what fucking point were you even trying to make, you fucking retard? yes, people rely on their superior capabilities to dunk on their inferiors, who even don't have them or have worse versions.

>>64898719
>The greatest
only combat deployment is shooting down a weather balloon, right?

>>64898844
>if it's better than Su-30s
>if
What are you on?

>>64899072
>the vid is bluured almost entirely
>there's a dim whoosh sound of a rocket going off
>a fiercely blurred dot on the even more fiercely blurred radar screen disappeares
It's over for dogfight chads, rocket incels won

Lmao they should give a warning to Iran so F22 can get some AtoA kills.

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Will we ever get to know how the knockoff would fare against the OG?

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THE F22 IS ALMOST A 30 YEAR OLD A2A VIRGIN

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>>64900488
>A2A VIRGIN
it shot down a weather balloon.

>>64899599
>Supremacía multidominio
>Dominance multi-domaine
>гpyппoвoe изнacилoвaниe
>九柱天赐多刺鸭

what now westoid?

>>64898884
This

>>64900881
You realize these are scripted for safety.

It's also moot considering the Raptor would never be caught by that frog shit if it was engaging as it was intended to do, from far as fuck away before you even knew it launched. Maybe maws gives you a warning when the Amraam goes pitbull but you still aren't bagging one. Sorry frog lover.

>>64901009
Of course it had to be "gangrape" in Russian.
The entire society and language are built around rape.

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>>64898772
>US spends countless billions to build unbeatable air superiority fighter
>enemies of the US don't have anything that comes close to matching it
>each plane ends up costing like 15X more than a regular multi-role fighter, 5 times more than an air superiority fighter
>ultra-expensive plane ultimately ends up being pointless waste of money
>ultra-expensive super plane gets taken out of production after like a decade
>gets replaced in service by mediocre F-35 (arguably outmatched gen 4.5 EuroCanards as a multi-role general purpose fighter) and upgraded versions of the ancient F-15
>existing examples get shown off as wünderwaffe prestige pieces
>none of them ever gets used for anything cool because they're irreplaceable and far to expensive to put at risk
Flew too close to the sun, rookie mistake.

>>64901451
>mediocre F35
thirdie talking point, the F35 is superior in air-superiority and ground attack compared to almost every single fighter in the world that isn't the F22, and a pack of them will absolutely tear through chinkshit, russhit, and other thirdieshit like it's nothing.

>>64901451
VCP!! (Very Chinky Post!!)

>>64901454
>the F35 is superior in air-superiority and ground attack.........

>Slow as fuck
>Fat as fuck
>High drag
>poor climb rate
>poor maneuverability
>Short ranged in hot situations because it can't go supersonic without lighting the afterburner, doubling fuel consumption
>"stealth" so it has an internal weapons bay with a pathetic capacity
>expensive to maintain and operate compared to similar non-"stealth" aircraft
>surrounded by persistent rumors of remote "kill switches" capable of remotely crippling them
>made by a company with a long record of nothing but corruption, using bribery and political pressure to shill faulty/inferior products
Cope harder, faggot.
The only things the F-35 have going for it are fancy electronics, questionable "stealth" capabilities, and BigBank™ backing to sell them "at a loss" on the condition that buyers subscribe to an outrageously expensive set of maintenance and upgrade packages.

>F-35 is shit!
And yet it's an aircraft that others keep rushing to try to copy the design and features of.

>>64901621
Do you have any idea how much fucking fuel supercruising drinks? Because let me tell you if lighting the burners actually only doubles it on the F-35 it is a hell of a lot more efficient than a supercruising F-22

>>64901621
Go back to hell, Pierre Sprey; you're dead.

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LOL china needs to add an extra engine to get their j35 off the ground.

Is it possible that China and Russia caught the F35's electronic signature in Iran/Syria/Kaliningrad or is it just some strange BRICS cope?

>>64898948
>1979
The inventions of smokeless powder was closer to WWI than 1979 is to today. The invention of the biplane is closer to the invention of the Sidewinder than 1979 is to today. The invention of the integrated circuit is closer to the invention of Facebook than 1979 is to today.

I'm no wumao, but I think a lot of people still aren't taking China's technological progress or industrial growth seriously enough. Germany didn't even start becoming a country until 48 years before WWI, and 1979 was 47 years ago.

>>64901784
Define "electronic signature". I'm sure they've pointed radars at them before now, if that's what you mean.

>>64901784
>electronic signature
The fucking what?

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>>64901889
One of these. The other anon is worried about the potential for F35 becoming a victim of digital scams or identity theft.

>>64898719
>1980's piece of shit
>has a fucking gun like it's WW2
>gigantic autistic control surfaces like dogfighting with migs in korea is still
>tiny weapons bay with medium range missiles from the 1970's with single pulse motors and planar array radar
>no IRST
>no helmet cue HOBS
>no millimeter wave missile warner

What a heap of shit. A single J-20 will waste 2 squadrons of these solo.

>>64901910
I wish my e-sig was that nice. I now just make a mark like a fucking slave

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>>64901922 LOL the j20 is a piece of shit.

The F'35 is so bad roughly half of all produced have been bought by other countries.
That's just how shitty it is.
Sorry Americans.

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>>64902340
Go to sleep silly.

>>64901621
>all those lies
>all that chinkseethe
Kek.

>>64901874
>technological progress or industrial growth
Anon that's fine but that still doesn't teach a nation to fight.
In fact the rapid advancement in those areas may have unbalanced the nerd to jock ratio.

>>64904759
>nerd to jock ratio
Nerds do way more killing than jocks on the modern battlefield.

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>>64904969
God help you if you happen to see the nerd/jock combo guy on the battlefield. He's probably an air combat controller and your day is about to get immeasurably worse and a lot shorter.

>>64902340
Don't forget that its such a piece of garbage that over 1000 have been produced and more than that are booked for production. It's the new 'right arm of the free world'.

>>64898719
It will be defensive air working with F-15 shooting down drones and cruise missiles.
The Navy will do all of the offensive air. A few weeks ago, I though the LHA-6 USS Tripoli was going to get into the fight, but seems like it went back to Japan. No lighting carrier action this time. Marines always get fucked-over, just a law of the universe.

>>64905759
>LHA-6 USS Tripoli
LHA-7 USS Tripoli

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>>64898896
:(

>>64904969
It's the job of the jocks to hold the enemy jocks in place as the nerds do the killing.

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>>64902340
>The F'35 is so bad...
>that half of all produced have been bought by other countries

???

what did you even mean by this?

>>64898803
>almost anybody can turn out decent small arms and infantry equipment
>almost anybody
is this a subtle jab at the jeets?

OOOOH CHINK SHILLS, where the fuck are you?

>>64898719
I fucking hate the bicep emoji so much

>>64898719
F-22 is a meme.

Will F22 or F35 ever get an air to air kill?

the internal bays are too short to carry the good AAMs (and too small in general, but that's another story) so it loses to f-35, su-57 and j-20. but against iran it probably doesn't matter

>>64913529
Bloons and drones count, so they already have, but if you mean a manned aircraft, you're probably going to have to wait until the great Chinkout at this point, unless Iran scrambled something last night like those couple of pilots that got in the air during Desert Storm.

>>64909472
>what is a sarcastic joke
>what is rubbing it in the turd shill faces
My god man you cannot be serious.

>>64901621
>Short ranged in hot situations because it can't go supersonic without lighting the afterburner,
That's true of all aircraft. Even the F-22 has to go to burner to punch through the sound barrier. What makes The Kid different is that once he gets up to a supersonic speed, he can kill the burners and maintain that speed without them. Any other plane, you start losing speed in a hurry once you drop back to military power and in most cases you wind up subsonic pretty quickly. Fat Amy can't hold supersonic speed without afterburner, but loses speed more gracefully than most planes.

>>64913920
That’s not true at all. The F119 makes a hilarious sacrifice in terms of fuel economy in order to generate a high enough exhaust velocity to enable breaking the sound barrier without lighting the afterburner.

>>64913955
Speed is fucking irrelevant outside of extremely specific situations where shit has completely hit the fan.
Since you apparently understand exhaust velocity i don't need to comment on acceleration either.

Anyways, the point of the F-35 is its technology. A squadron is intended to have complete control over the battlespace. Absolute information control.

>>64914020
I agree with everything you’ve said here, I just don’t really see what it has to do with what I said or replied to

>>64914054
>i dont :(
Sad.

Anyways speed is irrelevant. In combat planes will almost never significantly exceed mach .85-1 after engaging/being engaged.

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>>64899323
>such beautiful planes
>it will be a great shame to see them fall out the sky
brown or tarded or b8
you be the judge

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>>64898896
they're gone, anon.

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>>64899177
>>64898753
Have you frogot about their f-15s anons?...
he is a good airframe

>>64899037
>the Israelis destroyed five on the ground in the last round if fighting
WAR CRIME

>>64901009
>>гpyппoвoe изнacилoвaниe
top kek

>>64898780
I guess you would, but the humiliation of you BRICS buddies will continue because this is the real world.

>>64914650
Pearls before swine. I bet almost no one here even gets the reference. I only got it because I rewatched it this week to introduce my son to it. People will doubtless think we're talking about Bebop.

>>64914399
>speed is irrelevant
speed gives your missiles more range

>>64914777
F-15EX is actually being used these days as not only a critical missile boat but as a battlefield manager.

Drag racer of the sky lives on

>>64914650
>>64915688
He's in Super Heaven with Nana and Aeris.

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>>64898896
a few scraps at the Arizona boneyard

>>64918874
>you can only watch
>:(