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It's a good ship. The Providence is just better though.

That's basically the whole thread wrapped up

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not yet

there, now the thread is wrapped up

/k/ needs a changing of the guards on it's mods because the current batch are letting to much fictitious trash be gotten away with.

>>64899680
there aren't enough mods. for example, rapechink used to be shut down within minutes. now, it's obvious that mods only work within EST business hours.

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Does it have a kitchen and a bed?

>>64899680
>>64899683
nofunz

Why not take out the hangar and put more guns there?

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>>64899906
Because it is a Carrier, the ship you are looking for is the Victory class Star Destroyer which was supposed to be a staple of the Clone Wars but for some reason they refuse to show it on screen. Lucas Film and Disney seem to hate the Victory class for some reason.
That aside, the strategy behind the Venator actually makes a lot of sense. The CIS outguns the Republic with cheaply made droids while the Republic relies on expensive clones who are highly skilled yet limited in numbers. To win the war the Republic can not fight on equal terms, they must always win decisively because their resources are limited and the enemies casualties are much more easily replaced. Big Starships are a slugfest of shields and armor vs gun power so if the Republic fought that kind of fair battle against the enemy then they'd be worn down by CIS's endless mass produced fleet of droid starships.
What isn't just a slugfest is Starfighter combat where high skill means high survivability. Clones can shoot down masses of cheap droid fighters with their fighters and nimbly dodge defensive lasers to attack capital ships with their bombers. This allows the clones pilots to establish dominance in space through high skill even with inferior numbers, much the same way clone troopers do on the ground vs battle droids. With that in mind the Venator is perfectly designed, massive hanger bays full of fighters, long range guns to provide supporting fire at a safe distance and lots of defense lasers to destroy any droid fighters / bombers that slip through the fighter picket. The Venator is designed for a strategy that maximizes capital ship retention by letting their elite clone pilots handle most of the fighting.

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>>64899639
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>>64899639
I like the Imperial Venators

>>64899984
>nimbly dodge defensive lasers
I can accept every stupid thing in Star Wars except for calling projectile weapons lasers.

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>>64899906
I've thought of a refit for the Venator that almost entirely eliminates its hangar capacity in exchange for a fuckload of VLS modules lined up down the central line. That's nearly a kilometre of missiles, all stacked up neatly in a 'Fuck Your Shit' configuration.
Of course it would have its limits, like having far less sustainability in the field without resupply, but if it is properly fitted with different classes of missiles it could counter both fighters and warships with sheer weight of fire. Plus, all that additional firepower would not require significantly more reactor power like a brace of additional turbolasers would. It could even be outright Plug-and-Play, dragging out and dropping in missile pods on the fly depending on resupply necessities and mission parameters.
Basically, an Arsenal Ship to back up the standard carrier-cruisers.

>>64899984
The victory class looks too much like a star destroyer, and those are for the bad guys. Just be glad you got the Acclamators (a personal favourite).

>>64900258
I now want to here a Jabiimi version of Panteri

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Nebula/Endurance are peak Star Destroyer. Perfection of the Venator/Victory combo.

>>64900258
kek

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>>64899639
I think the real meat of the republic clone era army were the ground vehicles
hover tank that can run laps around other vehicles with enough firepower to be useful
"turbo" tank 10 wheels, 160Km / hour top speed, all terrain, can can carry 300 clone troopers, works as a mobile base, comes with anti personnel lasers on each side

Rebel Alliance ships are the coolest

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>>64902993
Almost anything like this...

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>>64899639
>>64899643
The venator is a far better multipurpose ship, the providence is a far better dedicated battle ship

The abject insanity of holding on to this weak idea that some superfusion gravlift megadrive ultra laser force fields with space wizards technology level would mean spaceships need to look like fucking airplanes.
You know what the end state of space faring is?
A god damn box. A big ol fuckin box or 20 sided die thing or sphere.

Fucking weapons only point in one direction gimmie a break.

>>64905592
Seems the opposite from what we see on screen. The Providence gets absolutely wrecked trading broadsides with a Venator.

>>64905651
Yeah but they look rad so nobody gives a fuck.

>>64905709
rule of cool usually takes hold over logical assumptions in movies, but I would chalk it up to the fact that the venator still has decent enough cannons to do damage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01D2c9B9bc

>>64899906
>>64899984
>>64900437
A more modular approach would have been cool to see. You’d have your carrier variants of Venators, but also Venators that have installed fuck-huge gun batteries and missile tubes where the hangar would be.

It all comes down to doctrine, really. The Venators were useful because the carried a shit-ton of FTL-capable starfighters that gave them the edge in recon and long-range power-projection to offset the initial numerical advantage the CIS had in ship production. As close-in warships, they were pretty okay, but their fighters gave them a big advantage both in screening enemy attacks and in long-range engagements.

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>>64900437
Sounds like the Victory I. In the back there.

>>64907539
>The Venators were useful because the carried a shit-ton of FTL-capable starfighters that gave them the edge in recon and long-range power-projection to offset the initial numerical advantage the CIS had in ship production
This is basically the biggest thing they wrote in that the empire fucked up on with it's navy doctrinally. They had these impressive, well made warships that could easily go toe-to-toe with anything the rebel alliance or CIS could bring to arms, but the insane dependence on fleets of primarily massive, single unit warships made it near impossible to properly police over a wider area. If you need ground troops on one planet, and ships in another, you can only be in one of those places at a time, or need to call in extra forces from elsewhere. Having fighters that could FTL and a fucking lot of them on a decent enough warship that could lug troops around gives you best of the entire world. You send the starfighters to recon, or if they're enough, fully deal with issues elsewhere while the main body of the ship is where it's most needed at that time.

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Ever since I was a kid I was always fascinated with the Executor class super star destroyer.

>>64908855
Making a ship that big is fucking stupid

>>64908877
There was a dude in another star wars thread who made a valid point in the SSD being less of a warship and more of a mobile base/fleet capable tender. Make it so it's a resup and repair point for entire star destroyers while also lugging around entire armies of people. Could do wonders in systems and areas where the empire had less of a firm grip

>>64908855
I love it too. Imagine an entire secret mobile city used for training and fostering the culture of your entire Navy. A sacred temple of sober discipline that radiates through the universe.

>>64908885
I mean, at 19km, it should comfortably be 100000 times more volumous than a Gerald R Ford supercarrier. You could easily fit 100 million people on that ship, which I suppose is how many troops you'd actually need to take a planet with conventional warfare.

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>>64908895
That's pretty much exactly what the Supremacy was. The mobile capital of the First Order, plus Homeworld-style fleet construction capability.

>>64909010
KINO

A shame the designers were reduced by the writers and director.

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>>64909015
That and the need of the archaic but never used in film RKKV.

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>>64908877
Yes, but sci fi is a vessel of scale.

>>64899647
sovl...

>>64909187
Except it’s retarded to think that no-one ever tried that before. We don’t even have that tech and we thought of it 50+ years ago.

The rational assumption was that hyperdrive didn’t work that way. Because if it did, why even bother with literally anything else?

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>>64909273
George wanted to do it in the original trilogy and prequel but the tech was not good enough. That or it’s ILMs way of showing off. Fuck, they got the science wrong for it anyhow.

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>>64909273
There's a reason why nobody does it. A couple hundred years ago, there was an incident where a large freighter broke up in hyperspace. The result: fragmented debris popping back into realspace at complete random along the ship's trajectory, across multiple star systems. They dropped out of hyperspace at relativistic speeds and fucked up absolutely anything they hit, from space stations to moons to planets. The first event even had a massive tank of Tibanna gas nearly hit a star, which would have triggered a nova without the Jedi's timely intervention.
To this day, there are still craters, debris fields, and a few shattered moons across a swathe of space. All that from one ship coming apart during a jump.
So, imagine what would happen if some idiot rammed a ship on the way into hyperspace, they'd shotgun absolutely everything along that path. It's a total crapshoot.

Anyway my headcanon as to why it happened with the Supremacy is because its hyperspace tracking system was acting as a sort of 'tether', which allowed the Raddus to 'snap back' into it rather than simply not jumping or missing entirely.

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>>64909426
>There's a reason why nobody does it. A couple hundred years ago, there was an incident where a large freighter broke up in hyperspace. The result: fragmented debris popping back into realspace at complete random along the ship's trajectory, across multiple star systems. They dropped out of hyperspace at relativistic speeds and fucked up absolutely anything they hit, from space stations to moons to planets.
The idea that every hyperdrive capable ship is a space nuke so everyone is scared to do it kinda falls apart as an excuse because small hyperdrive capable ships are pretty affordable / hijackable and there is multiple trillions of people in the Galaxy. You are going to have unhinged fucks hyper-ramming starships, space stations and planets the same way psychos grabs a gun and go to school.
It's like if someone found an easy way to turn every car, truck or bus on Earth into a nuke tomorrow, do you really think things would just go on as normal? That no one would set theirs off? This is the opposite of a reasonable explanation for the lack of hyper-ramming, it implies a level of total mental stability to the citizens of the Galaxy Far Far Away that quite frankly does not exist.
The best explanation for the hyper-ram that Disney could provide would be, we are sorry for being retarded, please pretend it never happened and while you're at it, try and forget about those SD's that can blow up planets from the next movie.

>>64909474
I can only assume that
A) there are safety measures to prevent jumping into obstructions, hard-wired stuff that can't be turned off (see the above theory on the 'hyperspace tether' as to why it worked with the Supremacy)
B) Once in hyperspace, a ship no longer has actual influence on realspace. It can run into mass shadows, but that is merely a shadow, and the gravity well effect will instantly decelerate anything that drops out of hyperspace essentially to a complete stop (See: Interdictors)

>>64909192
I think the HALO ring is waaay out of scale.

>>64909500
They're 10,000km in diameter, so basically the same size as earth

>>64909426
>everyone doesn't do it because it creates hyperspace Kessler effect so they just don't do it MMKAY
which anyway still makes Pinkhair an intergalactic-scale warcrimer
>but when ((she)) does it she's powerful and girlbossing!!
typical women thinking

>>64909474
>if someone found an easy way to turn every car, truck or bus on Earth into a nuke tomorrow, do you really think things would just go on as normal? That no one would set theirs off? This is the opposite of a reasonable explanation for the lack of hyper-ramming, it implies a level of total mental stability to the citizens of the Galaxy Far Far Away that quite frankly does not exist
couldn't have said it better myself

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>>64899684
ARC-170, my beloved

>>64909615
>P-61 Zerstorer BTFOd by trifighters until they get Vulturedroidkrankheit
get roger-rogered, wet droid

>>64908877
If anything it was too small, with its shields failing just because an entire fleet concentrated its firepower on it. Just remove plot-convenient weak points and the sci-fi design logic of bigger ship = stronger shields dictates you should make ships as big as possible. Of course there's also logistical and strategic logic (too excessive and it's a waste of resources).

>>64909494
So the solution is going back to how it worked in Legends in Option B?

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>>64908896
You ain't seen nothing yet.

>>64899984
Which is retarded. A human cannot outpilot a computer. Only plot armor saying that the CIS somehow decided to cheap out on trying to overthrow the galactic government allows the Republic to not be immediately curbstomped.

>>64909273
Because Kathleen Kennedy is a fucking hack.

>>64909494
>Once in hyperspace, a ship no longer has actual influence on realspace.
Then why do they need to plot a course of avoidance?

>>64911111
I assume because gravity from massive objects affects hyperspace. Also checked.

>>64911111
yeah, he's an idiot; in the words of Han Solo from the very first fucking movie,
>Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova.

waste of quints on a non-/k topic though

>>64899639
Improve the gun layout and make the bridges less exposed and it would be perfect for it's role.

>>64909615
What is this from? Bongo Fett and Sharto?

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>>64899639
Luv me Vennie, simple as

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>>64899906
There you go. The Victory is a better gunboat, but this would work as a stop-gap. It's also more aesthetically-pleasing than the Victory, desu.

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>>64908831
Based Tyrant poster. I would love for this thing to get made canon, and not immediately job in its first appearance.

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>>64899684
>>64909615
I’ve never wanted anything more in my life.

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>>64899639
Personally it's the acclamator for me. But that's more to do with my love affair with hilariously large transports in sci-fi. In this case deploying 15000 troops plus air and ground assets. Same reason I love the UCM's tiny escort carrier the New Orleans. Absolutely trash in a fight, actually carries no strike craft for void combat but she can deploy an entire regiment of ground forces including armor via dropships in under a minute.
Modern LHD/As are cool too

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>>64909426
>>64909474
>>64909494
Funny how a classic sci fi trope from the 30’s brain melts the fandom of one of the two biggest franchises in sci fi/fantasy history.

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>>64909505
And then there’s the Ark

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>>64913876
the craziest thing is this and the 10k km halo rings are the LESSER rings and LESSER ark. The og halo rings were like, 30,000km in diameter. That would make the greater OG ARK like, 400,000km in diameter

>>64913934
Pics?

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>>64913854
And let’s not even fucking begin on this atrocity.

>>64914016
The greater ark was only ever a lore thing, no pics for it, I'm just assuming that if the ark that makes the lesser halos is 127k km diam for 10k km rings, 30k km rings would just make the ark for them 3x the size, so about 400k km, or 381k to be precise

>>64913328
K-K-K-KINO

>>64911111
Because the big fuckoff mass shadow will drag you right out of hyperspace and probably straight into a pancake crash. If the object doesn't have the mass to do this, then it might as well not exist to the ship and it'll keep going its merry way. Imagine if ships just kept blowing up in hyperspace because they ran into the shadows of random pebbles.

>prequelshit

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>>64899684
>>64909615
>>64913328
ARC-170 is such a cool fucking ship. Literally the F15E of star wars.
>inb4 its based off the P61
Its design was based off the P61, but its role is essentially that of an F15. Removing the copilot, astromech Droid and rear gunner seat to make a small living quarters is so insanely cool. It's criminal it didn't get more screentime considering it when predecessor to the xwing

>>64914939
>ARC-170
>strike bomber
idiot

>>64899643
looks like a turd

>>64902394
Feel free to sing it yourself anon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN8rZN2ms_s

>>64899643
>Providence and Venator go ship to ship in Revenge of the Sith
>The Venator wins
Lucky shot or normal result?

>>64909273
>>64909187
With how fucking huge it is, couldn't you in theory repair it even with a wing blown off?

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>>64915345
Could have gone either way at that range. The Providence has superior firepower to the Venator, but most of its heavy turbolasers face directly forwards. At knife-fight range, its ability to project power is limited to the flank guns, while the Venator can still bring to bear four of its primary turrets, plus its own flank guns.

>>64915353
It's probably got catastrophic amounts of hull cracking and fucked internal systems all throughout the ship. To its credit, it held together long enough that it was able to pull together some of its embarked forces for an organised ground assault, though I imagine the reason why they didn't completely swarm the Resistance on Crait is because most of the army was busy elsewhere taking bites out of the floundering Republic.

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>>64915353
It went through one of the four reactors that powered it. Surprisingly, didn’t cause it to completely blow. In the novelization, the scuttle it.

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>>64899639
For me, it's the Lucrehulk.

>>64916634
>be prop designer
>hungry after a long day doing up concept props for ol Georgie to bitch and moan about
>grab a donut
>take a bite
>put it down
>hang on

>>64902993
If they were so good, how come the Empire switched to AT-ATs and AT-STs?

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>>64913328
>ywn travel the galaxy in a heavily armed, shielded FTL starfighter converted into a sleeper van

How can I feel loss for a life that never existed?

>>64915103
What the fuck have you been eating for your shits to look like that?

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>>64916699
Muh shock and awe. A practically-sized hovertank won't scare anybody. A walker taller than much of what your foes have even seen will send them scattering before you even fire a shot.

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>>64916634
We can do better than a standard Lucrehulk.

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>>64916634
>Huge
>Heavily shielded
>automated to the point where it can be run by a handful of people but can sustain hundreds without them having to directly interact too often
>Also has huge fuck-off cannons for the Tax-Man

Behold, the Lu/k/rehulk.

>>64915044
>ARC-170: Long-range patrol, bomber escort, heavy strike.
>F-15E: Deep strike, interdiction, air superiority backup.

Yes, it's role and doctrine is closest to the F-15E Strike Eagle

>>64917575
I've played battlefront and the AT-ST is an absolute menace, just popping over cover to lob grenades/missiles from an elevated position.

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>>64899639
Gentlemen, I give you /k/: Star Destroyer Edition. Still feels a little under-gunned to me though. Maybe we can add a spinal turbo-nugget for added flair.

>>64909187
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1TFYzYects
Visually stunning scene with solid sound design but lorewise absolute dogshit that ruins conventional space combat entirely. Before Disney there was a case of an Executor having this accidentally done to it by a small fleet of ISDs in the comics. It was undamaged, the unfortunate ISDs were not. Strong enough shields defeat hyperspace ramming. The Supremacy would've had the shields to handle it. They had to retcon the "Holdo my boxed wine maneuver" having someone outright say it's a lucky move and extremely hard to pull off in the third sequel to not make conventional naval combat pointless through the whole franchise.

>>64911012
I hate this image's text blurb so much. The ship is fine, the text is from someone who thought they were significantly smarter than they actually were. If you can build death stars and not have any of the mentioned issues that super duper star destroyer is nothing. If anything it's a better option than the actual death stars assuming the superlaser is at least as capable. Probably less material than DS2, certainly more functional and useful than garbage like "Starkiller" too. Imagine needing to eat a whole ass fucking star to fire your fucking weapon.

>>64918140
To add to the hyperspace ramming critique, you're actually better off going slow. Shields tend to stop fast and hot. The ramming in Rogue One and one of the cartoons was how it's done. Slow enough that the shields treat you like a fighter coming back in to land. This is also why missiles still serve a purpose in a franchise with powerful plasma based weapons. You either have to hammer shields down with ion cannons and turbolaser fire or slip through like Dune shields while being fired upon the whole time. There's also multiple types with some like ray shields stopping pretty much everything until they drop.

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>>64917085
You were born 475280 years too late anon. But give it time, its circular

>>64918182
It also doesn’t help that Rian stole this from Farscape

>>64917966
>ARC-170
>heavy strike
examples?

>>64918182
nice fanfiction, but no
>The ramming in Rogue One and one of the cartoons was
done only AFTER disabling the enemy with proton torpedo strikes

>>64918865
Ion torps. They did something VERY important.
>being fired upon the whole time
They shut down the guns. Protons blow up and are for all intents and purposes extra explodey missiles. Ions fuck with ship systems. You'll also notice that those torpedoes were NOT blocked by the shields. Again, slow goes through. In the cartoon a providence dropped out of hyperspace, slowed down, then slammed into a Venator. If you want another example the ISDs had a bad time in the asteroid field because of this. Big slow cold rocks don't trigger the shields any more than the TIEs they launched did.

The shields have to be navigable on large vessels like ISDs because it'd be a HUGE weakness to have to drop your shields even partially to launch or recover fighters. Shield function is also gone over in the CG Clone Wars series describing how to defeat a droideka's shields. Again, slow goes through. Fast and hot get blocked.

Ray shields would have pulled a no sell on those torps but that's because again, they stop pretty much everything until they drop, hence their use in prisons and security systems. They're powerful but not suitable for a ship that needs to ever let something out or in while shields are up.

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>>64916634
I think it's based on the harbour of Carthage.

>>64911065
Droids dont work like robots

>>64905651
Many frequently enter atmospheres though

>>64899689
Lol

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>Pulls your ass out of hyper space and instantly captures you in a tractor beam
Heh… nothing personal rebel scum.

>>64920359
Interdictors are gay
it would have been a better mechanic to have hyperdrives eat up so much power that it's suicidal to use them in the middle of a fleet battle
this better approximates IRL combat where heavy casualties are often inflicted during the retreat

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>>64913328
GIWTWM

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>>64905651
The end state is doing both so that you can outmanoeuvre the technologically superior flying brick if you catch it inside your atmosphere.

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>>64914016
there are a couple on halopedia, this one shows one of the original 30k km rings, you can get a sense of scale

>>64920466
Damn fine real estate

Prequels aren't canon.

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Whats the point of the giant flaps on the sides? I'm assuming those are missile pods underneath? Why don't they use more missiles in Star Wars? Its all just cannons.

>>64922373
Very limited ammo, tracking is subpar with ECM, stable explosives aren't really a thing so it's also a critical weak point hence the massive armored flaps. Also more dakka is best dakka.

>>64913368
Mass transports are pretty cool, but there is no way you're shoving 15k men plus armor and air in that thing.