>>64902242
>I feel like
Next time try thinking for a change. Or get some time shooting one. The v notch night sight is for use in very close range combat situations including nighttime combat where - if you've got flare support - you may be shooting out to 100m or so. The 200m sights are for everything else out to 200m because - as you noticed - the come-up from 100m is very slight.

>>64902267
This.
>has a night mode
>has regular mode
>has regular mode+

>>64902267
>>64902275
just fucking use the 300 meter sights, no guns. That's what M16A2 are set for. worst case scenario you are 6 inches high at like 175 meters. if you're shooting at a torso you're fine. if you are trying to head shot someone at 175-200 meters you aren't going to score a hit with irons anyway. there's no fucking point in having 100, 200 and 300 meter sights unless you're target shooting, no gunz. like if you have a 200 meter zero at the highest point you're only like 1.5 inches high and with a 100 meter zero, worst case you're like 2 inches low at 200 meters. that's not going to matter for combat center of mass shooting, no gunz

>>64902286
>no gunz
Yes, we can clearly see you're a noguns

>>64902242
>>64902286
>I feel like they should have replaced the 200 meter hole with something more useful
What would you suggest instead? You sure seem to love to theory craft.

>>64902286
you don't have to sign your posts here

>>64902291
>>64902297
I have multiple guns. you are a legit no gunz if you think you need 3 separate sights for 100, 200 and 300 meters for anything other than known distance target shooting. that's why ACOGs don't have 200 meter aimpoints and just say to put red on the dude and pull the trigger when you're within 300 meters, no gunz
>>64902295
maybe a 5 or 600 meter target zero. like change the nightsight so its 200 meters instead of 100 meters, delete the 200 meters, keep the 300 meters and the 400 meters and add a 6 o'clock 600 meter zero so the 2 long range sights could be used for target shooting and the nightsight and 300 meter zero could be used for low visibility and day shooting

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>>64902307
>ACOG doesnt have 200
All arguments here on out are invalid.

>>64902320
>random jpg.png
>just aim with the crotch of the chevron that totally doesn't bloom
go read the army manual. there is no 200m aimpoint. they say if the badguy is within 300 meters you aim with both eyes open and pull the trigger if any part of the red is on him. it's not designed to have a 200m aimpoint because that's super fucking unnecessary, no gunz

>>64902342
>dude just ignore the manufactures
>trust the lessons taught to retards
If thats easier for you to understand I suppose.

>>64902242
Anon, it's a 5.56 gun (the cartridge it shoots is known for being very flat shooting). The 36/300 zero is what most veterans are using for a reason.

>>64902307
>>64902342
>the jeet is still signing his posts
lol

>>64902380
I'm white, keep projecting you no gunz indian
>>64902362
>no dude. it's super important you arent 1.5 inches high or 2 inches low at like 200 yards with a combat optic because most shooters using military guns with military ball ammo totally shoot sub moa and need to shoot sub moa.
you're a retard. almost as retarded as this jeet >>64902380

>>64902373
the 36/300 thing is an approximation of the M16A1 out of a 16 inch barrel. It's like 3.5 inches high at the highest point, the far zero is like 280ish yards and it's 3.5 inches low at 300 meters

>>64902388
>M16A1 out of a 16 inch barrel
Out of a 20" barrel, FTFY. Anyway, it's perfectly capable of hitting a man-sized target with that zero and a bit of practice/familiarization.

>>64902387
babyraging lol

>>64902410
nah, that's you, bitch boi
>>64902409
36/300 isn't a 20 inch yard zero. I'm not actually sure what the near zero is on an A1 because if you read the manuals/the targets they have a weird procedure on them for some reason. Like they zeroed at 25 yards but you had to do other stuff. the 36/300 yard zero thing that you see people doing online is a way to recreate the M16a1 far zero and parabola profile with a 16 inch barrel. near zero also really isn't important because there's not much difference in where the bullet is going to strike for a 25, 36 and 50 yard/meter zero inside 100 yards anyway.
also the 36/300 and M16A1 zeros are way more than capable of hitting a person out to 300 yards. if you go look at the trajectories they are, at the worst part like 3.5 inches high at the highest point and 3.5 inches low at 300 yards. it's pretty much as close to being dead on as you can be without giving up range or having to set the sights K/D style.
that said. 25, 36 and 50 meter/yard zeros make zero fucking difference within self defense ranges. they only start to matter if you're shooting at combat distances

>>64902433
nice wall of text, too bad nobody is gonna read it lmao

>>64902433
>isn't important because there's not much difference in where the bullet is going to strike for a 25, 36 and 50 yard/meter zero inside 100 yards anyway.
>25, 36 and 50 meter/yard zeros make zero fucking difference within self defense ranges. they only start to matter if you're shooting at combat distances
Anon, the reason that my comment was important was because he could set his gun to 300, and he'd have his gun at around the 36 ballpark. In case you forgot. OP was bringing up that that gun only had 100, 200, and 300. I pointed out that you can effectively use the 300. You've got your head so far up your ass that you have forgotten what the original topic was about. The OP asked...
>"What the fuck were the swiss thinking..."
and multiple people have pointed out that the sights are fine.

>>64902482
it wasn't that many words, illiterate-kun
>>64902529
I am the OP, you fucking idiot. I'm saying there's no point in having a 100, 200 and 300 meter zero. I agree, the M16A1/36/300 yard zero thing would be way better than having a 300 meter zero. But it doesn't change my argument that it's dumb to have a 100, 200 and 300 meter setting. you really only need 1 of the three, though keeping a second for a night sight is fine because you aren't going to shoot 300 meters with low light sights anyway

>>64902589
>"adjustable sights are pointless, they should have left only of the three settings."
You are really special. Off to the sped room.

>>64902613
that's not what I wrote, illiterate-kun
M16A1s only had 2 settings. either a 300 yard zero and a 450 yard zero or a 300 yard zero and a lowlight/night sight
you clearly don't shoot and you're parents were siblings and you were in a class where the bathroom was attached to the classroom.
Having 100, 200, and 300 m is redundant. it should be either a 100 or 200 m night sight, a 300 meter battle zero and then do the 400 m competition sight and make the 4th sight some other competition sight

>>64902286
>if you are trying to head shot someone at 175-200 meters you aren't going to score a hit with irons anyway.
The Swiss have those sight settings because they're not as bad as you

OP is a faggot <--That is what they were thinking

>>64902320
Zero the 300m for 25m and you're set lol.
OP is right
Should be 200, 400 ~600 or something in there

>>64902640
>you're parents
Stones, glass houses, etc.

>>64902907
Those settings aren’t for headshots, midwit

>>64902613
Adjustable iron sights within 300m are absolutely pointless for an infantry rifle chambered in 5.56

>>64902286
>unless you're target shooting
Guess what we spend most of our time doing with those guns

>>64902242
This is some incredibly pointless nitpicking.

>>64903873
He had a melty last month about it, already

>>64903014
you are gay and retarded
>>64902907
>t. fucking no gunz
go find someone and stand 2 football fields away from them and tell me how big their head looks unmagnified
Also the swiss are fucking conscripts. they aren't le elite sniper force making headshots at 200 meters with irons.
per google the average adult man's head is 9 inches high and 7 inches wide. So you are telling me you can see a 4.5 moa target with no magnification and you're going to hit it instead of going center mass? a fucking STG 90 is probably 3 MOA or worse if you had it in a vice.

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>>64903049
auto correct
>>64903853
They only really use the 3/4 setting for that. They don't use the 100, 200 or 300 meter settings for target shooting. It would make more sense to change the night sight from 100m to 200m, and then replace the 200m setting with a second target sight

>>64903873
cause it's dumb
>>64904116
>everyone is one person
meds

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>>64904130
>>64904165

>>64904130
Anon, are you telling me you can't shoot a head sized group at 200 meters with open sights?

>>64904505
Are you telling me, you can shoot a head sized group, aiming at someone's head with a combat hold, irons, no magnification with a 3+ moa rifle, without knowing the range, while someone is shooting at you?

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>>64904130
>Also the swiss are fucking conscripts. they aren't le elite sniper force making headshots at 200 meters with irons.
Correct. We do that at 300 meters, minimum.

>>64905962
no you fucking don't you shoot at a 60 cm aiming black at 300 yards.

>>64904516
>3+ moa rifle
>Stgw90
Lol

>>64906086
it's an off the shelf piston driven conscript rifle that isn't free floated. I think you can find the minimum acceptance standard online but it's one of those weird yuro standards that isn't 1 to 1 with MOA

>>64905992
that's what we have drunken 16 years olds do for fun on the weekends.

>>64907548
the aiming black you guys slow fire on at 300 meters is 25% bigger the the aiming black we rapid fire on at 300 yards during high power. you're aiming black is 60cm, ours is 19 inches which is about 48cm. show me your smaller shooting targets, homo

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>>64902242
>100 meter v notch open night/low light sights
>ok
>200 meter sights (closed diopter)
>why?
This is how I know you've never looked through diopter sights

>>64904130
>200 meters with irons
no, youre right, we did 300m

>>64907672
see>>64907606
your aiming black for your 300 m is 60 cm which is 25% bigger than the aiming black we use for 300 yards in the US
>>64907669
they have a 300m diopter. the come up from 200 to 300m is only 2 moa and the army says that shooting 5.56 with a 20 inch barrel with a 300 meter zero only puts you 6 inches up at the highest point. meaning 300 meters is totally fine for center of mass point blank shooting
https://www.scribd.com/document/50874069/M16-M4-data

yeah

>arguing about shooting requirements at 300y with iron sights

Arguing about fundamentals is dumb. You could be the best static shooter in the world and completely collapse in a slightly more stressful situation, or as soon as you have to move your ass.

Inversely, someone who is very good at dynamic close range shooting may end up being mediocre at long range irons (although that's less likely).

nah

>>64912177
>>64916645
idk

>>64918297
same

>>64904130
At "two football fields" distance a person with non-degraded, 20/20 vision should be capable of recognizing an eyeball from a nose. Not specifically seeing the eye, but recognizing it's there.
Aiming for the head at 200 yard/180meter should be trivial.
The military qualifies people for 300 yard on irons and while given an 18 year old has better vision than a 45 year old, sometimes significantly, 20/20 itself (the average eye quality of a middle aged person) should still allow for what you're bitching about.

>>64918338
the 300 meter swiss targets are 60 cm or 2 feet in diameter.
the 300 meter US army qual targets are 40 inches tall and 20 inches wide
you have a big ass head

>>64918355
20/20 vision is defined as 1 minute arc angular resolution.
What this basically means is someone with average vision should be able to see an object 1 inch size for every 300 feet.
300 yards = you can differentiate objects 3 inches across as different objects.
Practically, it means you should be able to split a face at 300 yards into 4 quadrants, or tell the nose from the mouth, or see the distance between the eyes.

I don't understand what your problem with iron sights is all I know is you're being horribly autistic.

>>64918581
see>>64918355
you have no gunz, no sense of distance and a giant watermelon ass head. people aren't attempting unmagnified headshots in combat with irons, retardo

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>>64903873
>>64904116
Which is wild, because the Swiss, as a people, are all about nitpicking. Of course they also based, so lil' meltie would never be allowed a tourist visa there.

All I know is that "Total Resistance" is a great little book, and I wish I could find non-neutered translations for all of the volumes.

>>64918648
why would I ever want to leave the US, homo?

>>64907425
and yet, 9 hole reviews got a perfect score with it with only irons, crazy.

>>64919084
9 hole review wasn't shooting at head sized targets. he was shooting at body targets from the prone on a known distance range with a spotter. And he isn't a 75 iq conscript like the actual soldiers using the gun. I shot a 99-6x/100 on the rapid sitting in 200 yard high power stage with irons. that's 6 rounds in a 3 inch group, 9 in a 7 inch group and all 10 in a 13 inch group. that's not the same as head shotting someone at 200 yards with irons in combat, no gunz