>>64902621
FN does not care for the civilian market

>>64902621
Because double Nigg-
>Cue Credits
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ksEB5dPv18

>>64902625
>buy Reflex
>shoots low but thats probably me, might get new rear sight anyway
>realize front sight lamp went out for some reason
>call FN
>give FN my gun
>they fix my sight for free
>ship back and forth for free
>test fire my gun at 7 yards to show I'm retarded

idk bro they seemed fine... I just gave some guy on their customer service my serial number and he saw it was in warranty still... I'm definitely going to shoot low with it but that's fine lmao

>>64902633
>https://m.
NIGGER!!!!!!!!!

>>64902621
>harder to make
Are you sure?

>>64902621
>kel-tec
>more advanced, harder to make,
stopped reading right there

>>64902621
The new five seven is pretty ugly. The old one was ugly too but at least it looked unique

I wanted to buy the PR57 but it's apparently, mostly plastic shit typical of any kel-tec product. Waiting for them to refine and release a gen 2.

>>64902621
>more advanced
nigger we had stripper clip fed pistols in 1896

>more advanced
>harder to make
Are you serious?

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I want a first gen Five-seveN so bad bros

>>64902621
according to spergy boondock chick, the pr57 sucks ass, I don't really watch her content, but I watched her review of it and it seems like doo doo nigga.
It's too bad, because it's cool.

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>>64902621
One is made by a yuropeen military arms manufacturer with a long history of making quality firearms.
The other was made in Wyoming by a crazed Swedish expat who's on his 3rd firearms company, and who is known for making cheap novelty guns.

>>64902621
Half the quality control (maybe)?
Good luck?

>>64902621
Prices are fuckin made up.

>>64903551
Yeah the new one doesn't have the look

>>64903551
>I want a gun I'll probably never have the opportunity to buy
What causes this, is it just the desire to have rare shit?

>>64903778
>people covet rare / hard to acquire items
:O

>>64903590
tbf to Kellgren, the third company is doing a thousand times better than the other ones (it's debt free, for one), and is making much better products.
Though I'll say that the PR57 would have made a LOT more sense in .30SC, rather than 5.7mm

>>64903778
Are you retarded or something?

>>64902621
>more advanced
WW1 tech isn't more advanced; clip-fed guns are older than detachable mag-fed guns.
>harder to make
They are both polymer slop.
>newer
Irrelevant.
>less prolific pistol
Also irrelevant.
>half the price of a more mature one?
Simple, you aren't paying the FN tax. FN and HK are to the gun market what Honda and Toyota are to the car market or what Apple is to the computer and cell phone market.

The Five seveN is a nearly 30 year old design, Kel Tec is all about cutting manufacturing costs so anything released today has a 30 year head start on making things cheap (without having any other external requirements to meet)

>>64902621
lelkek is pretty shit. its cheap, it'll probably break random parts, it'll probably misfeed, misfire, and FTE.

>>64902644
Its weird but I feel that I should like FN but their entire catalogue does nothing for me and their triggers are kinda meh. Its like theyre the Volvo 240 of the gun world. Fine but expensive and boring

>>64904290
>Though I'll say that the PR57 would have made a LOT more sense in a failed meme-cartridge that's no longer in production

>>64910276
Yes, 5.7mm is already questionable as a service pistol cartridge, now you want to tuck it into an even shorter barreled compact so the ballistics can be just a bit worse, and just a bit louder and brighter than it already is?

I don't even love .30SC, but I'd sooner bet on that than I would 5.7mm

>>64910276
The meme cartridge failed because no one ever made a gun that actually took advantage of it. 7.5 FK is just as much of a meme but it's still in production because there's a neat gun chambered for it.

>>64911781
>>64911698
I thought the issue with 5.7 was that the "good stuff" is only available to the military and civilian versions are basically just expensive 22 magnum

>>64911842
Exaggerated, there's the lack of true AP ammo on the regular commercial market, but you can get stuff which improves wounding.
My issue is that 5.7mm is not even close to fast enough to make worthwhile use out of such a light and small bullet, and this isn't for a lack of trying.

>>64902621
fn still needs to make up for the scar's r&d costs

>>64911842
it's not even that much more expensive these days
only roughly double the price, 36 cpr vs 18 cpr naively assuming no shipping costs

>>64902621
Same reason H&K's guns are like $1,000

>>64911842
The main problem with the 5.7 is that it works well out of a 10.3" barrel (like the P90 has), works mediocrely out of a 5" barrel (like most of the handguns chambered in it have), and would work worse out of a shorter barrel.

>>64914316
The only thing that can salvage the idea of a short barreled 5.7 pistol is full auto. I've seen .22lr pistols go BRRRRR and it is crazy how controllable it still is even at high RPM

>>64914363
You're not wrong, but even then I'd rather have a full-auto P90 over a full-auto 5.7 handgun. I've always felt that the US's obsession with powerful handguns (9x25 Dillon, 356 TSW, .45 Super, .500 S&W, etc.) came from the fact that we're forced to use semi-autos; if full autos were easily accessible, then we'd see a lot more guns in stuff like .32 ACP for example.

>>64902625
I thought that was HK?
Or is it FN doesn’t care, HK hates?

>>64911842
5.7 from a pistol barrel is right around .22 mag out of a rifle barrel

>>64916049
yeah, it's .22 Magnum but hotter and more reliable because it's centerfire
they're very comparable rounds but one is clearly superior for defensive purposes

>>64902625
>>64902644
>Call FN trying to fix my Five-seveN with a slide stop spring that literally snapped in half in 5 months of sitting in a holster
>They never respond
>Call EA and ask them how I can get the part to fix my gun.
>They tell me FN hasn't resupplied their distributor for parts support in 2 years and that I'm sol until they have some custom made because they also have guns to fix with the same issue.

IDK my sample size of one, technically 2 if we include Jay from EA, is that FN has shitty service on what stupid be a well established 3 decade old platform. Shit an ammo company gave me better service on FN's product than FN did.

>>64903551
Those are available on gunbroker some times. Leo could get them. Not that pricey tbqhwy.
>>64903775
My favorite is the IOM but I went with an MRD in FDE. Honestly glad I did as i>>64917136 love the gun and think it's the best semi automatic handgun ever made. Get both tbqhwy.

>>64905371
Wrw sorry for spamming but I think people don't realize how unique the Five-seveN actually is. The "frame" of this gun is stamped sheet metal like an AK-47. In two pieces technically plus a third insert rail where the recoil spring sits.

It's actually a really unique gun. It's using an 1890s recoil system too.

>>64917156
Wow and the Sig-Sauer P226 slide is actually welded too

>>64917136
>>64917142
Cant the FN be sued the fuck of?

You burgers fucking love to sue.

>>64919808
Naw, that was an 80s and 90s thing. It's actually really difficult to sue a gun company for anything in the US thanks to the PLCAA. We used to sue them so much that at one time almost 25% the price of a new Ruger was going to their lawyers because they were all in an endless stream of lawsuits. Any time anyone committed a crime or had an accident with a gun, the company who made it was getting sued, often by multiple parties. The PLCAA put a stop to that shit. It doesn't protect against suits relating to defective products - but it did make people far more reluctant to try to squeeze anything out of a gun company. Manufacturers are in no way obligated to stand by their products in the US, they aren't obligated to have a warranty of any kind or make repair parts available, there's no right-to-repair, there's only an implied warranty on consumer products unless the manufacturer chooses to do more. There's no precedent for requiring manufacturers to actually honor their warranties in the USA. You cannot sue FN for not honoring their warranty, realistically, you'd have to get together a whole bunch of people with documented instances of FN failing to honor their warranty to pay a team of lawyers to get the FTC to go after them for it, and none of you would be compensated for it unless you wanted to also spark up a separate class-action lawsuit against them for failing to honor their warranty. In other words, they can just give you the middle finger and there's nothing you can reasonably do about it except not buy their products in the future. 'Merica